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02-06-2009, 04:53 PM | #1 |
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Harmful to shift without clutch?
The car has been sitting now for 2 weeks, since i had surgery and cant use my left leg. I went out today to try and use my leg and the clutch doesnt hurt as much to push in. Car wouldnt start for 3 minutes but its running now. Considering its quite simple to shift gears up and down without the clutch, is it harmful to do? Id use it to start off and such, but not after.
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02-06-2009, 04:56 PM | #2 |
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I would strongly suggest not shifting without the clutch!
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02-06-2009, 04:58 PM | #3 |
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wow ...thats nuts unless you know ur gears inside out..isnt that power shifting..must know what rev to shift if you miss then ull get this nasty gear grind that most people hate to heaR..
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02-06-2009, 04:59 PM | #4 |
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yes, if you can rev-match without any grinding...then go ahead...otherwise, no way
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02-06-2009, 05:07 PM | #5 |
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yeah, i plan on driving it to where i NEED to go if i do that. Just sitting in the house for a couple weeks now is driving me insane. All the channels and xbox games in the world cant keep me sane until i can go back to work in end of march.
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02-06-2009, 05:08 PM | #6 |
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yes that would be rough, just be really careful if you decide to drive...it could be pretty abusive on your clutch and transmission
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02-06-2009, 05:23 PM | #7 | ||
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it's not really abusive to your transmission if it's done properly. it's probably BETTER on your synchros to shift without the clutch actually, if done gently.
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02-06-2009, 07:06 PM | #8 |
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If you're talented enough to match revs and shift up and down without grinding gears, you won't hurt a thing. The key is "mechanical empathy". Don't force it.
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02-06-2009, 07:40 PM | #9 |
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I used to do it a lot. I had an 88 Toyota truck with 175k and had no problems. I am old now and haven't owned a stick in 3 years.
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02-06-2009, 08:36 PM | #10 |
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In elementary school I had a bus driver who always shifted clutchless. I was amazed and took up the practice myself later in life for some time (though no longer do). My biggest concern would be if you don't actually rev match the transmission to the engine you'll be putting more force on your syncros, though having seen how some people mash the car into gear without matching it's probably not much worse if you're trying not to. I always teach beginners to shift with their fingertips instead of their palm so that they learn how to guide it into gear rather than force it in.
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02-06-2009, 09:05 PM | #11 |
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I did it all the time with my Kenworth lol. Of course that's a little different.
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02-06-2009, 09:09 PM | #12 | ||
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that right there is the key, with or with out clutch.. we're talkin tiny lil gears here people. if you can't revmatch on an up AND DOWN shift, you shouldn't be driving a manual trans IMO
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02-06-2009, 10:59 PM | #13 |
If you can change shift gears without grinding them, you won't cause any wear on either the clutch or the synchros. I've been doing it since i learned driving farm tractors (no synchros) at age 12.
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02-08-2009, 06:32 PM | #14 |
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I was a VW (the old air cooled type) freak for years. Had a 66 Microbus, a 62 Karmann Ghia, and a 70 Bug. They were notorious for breaking clutch cables. The starters were strong, though, and I once drove the bus an entire month with no clutch cable. I simply started the thing in first gear, and shifted clutchless - never heard grinding, but the starts were kinda lurchy.
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02-08-2009, 07:06 PM | #15 |
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In my 1st car, an 88 tercel, my clutch went out. I drove it for a week clutchless, till
I could afford to get it fixed. I would recommend starting out in a higher gear, so you shift less. You gotta time it just right, & at low RPMs, to reduce gear grinding. The funny thing is, in the tercel, I didn't have to put the clutch in to start it, with the clutch broken. I would put it in second or third gear and turn the key. the starter would push the car until it started. It was hilarious, & the starter never broke. |
02-09-2009, 08:30 AM | #16 |
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I used to do it on my echo and a civic.
I had the 93 civic for a week, and i was able to shift without clutch eyes closed. for some reasons, i have no idea why i'm still not able to do it with my yaris after 2.5 years and 60k km. |
02-09-2009, 08:57 AM | #17 |
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dude your crazy ...... i wouldnt do it may cause problems for you in the future!!!
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02-09-2009, 10:21 AM | #18 |
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My Yaris is the first manual car, so maybe I'm a little naive but what is revmatching?
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