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12-27-2019, 12:34 PM | #1 |
Drives: toyota yaris yrs Join Date: Jun 2007
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Manual are a dying breed.
I went to the stealership.Told them I was after a manual HondaJAzz. He looked surprised like " What you want a manual"? Yeah, manual mate. Oh, they are hard to find and we don't usually sell them.Why don't you try the automatic for just 2k more? I was like I want a manual. We sat down he said, see what i can do for you. I can work out a good price.Sure enough I was happy with it. $18, 789.Better price than a mid trim Yaris and Mazda 2 with more trunk space.
He took us to the manager. He was saying the same line as the salesman. Manuals are not selling. To get one you have to wait a month. But I am after a manual. He goes want to take the auto for a drive. You might change your mind. I said, is it CVT? Yeah, but these are not like the old CVT. You drive it you will be surprised. Test drive it. I was like man you mofo are insist I should get a CVT. We told them we come back. We want to talk it over. So we decided to go to Suzuki and looked at their products. The dude at Suzuki was saying the same thing. Manuals are hard to get, yada, yada, yada. I can give you a good deal on the Baleno which he offered for a low price 15k. Because it's manual. People are too lazy to row gears these days? |
12-27-2019, 12:43 PM | #2 |
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Everyone is lazy, that's not new. I picked up a new Yaris with a manual, it took a few weeks but the Toyota dealer had to get it from across the country (it was in transit). Very happy I didn't settle for a slush box for lazy people.
Dealers are sleaze bags, they just want to sell what they have because they have already paid for that car sitting on the lot. It's costing them money sitting there so they are motivated to get rid of it. |
12-27-2019, 01:11 PM | #3 |
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A lot has changed in the last decade. When I bought my yaris brand new from the dealer in 2008 they had at least 4-5 on the lot. You'll be lucky if there is one on the lot now.
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12-27-2019, 01:32 PM | #4 |
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Manual transmission cost of ownership over the life of the car, several thousand. Automatic $0.
Personally, I'm done with stick shift for daily drivers. Earlier this year I had to replace the slave cylinder in one of my cars. Decided then that was going to be the last m/t related repair I'm subjecting myself to in what remains of my life. Too much has been invested in m/ts while nothing but the occasional fluid change needing to be done over the life of various a/ts I've owned.
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12-27-2019, 03:20 PM | #5 |
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The garbage, random-reliability push-belt CVT's are what keeps me from automatics in new cars today, otherwise my latest vehicle purchase in Aug 2019 would have finally had one. Between the push-belt CVT's & eventually-problematic straight GDI engine designs, it's almost impossible to find a new car without one or the other.
I have driven nothing but manuals my entire life (since my first car in 1983) & never had a single issue with any transmission/clutch during my ownership of them. My manual 2000 Honda Accord EX even went 15 years without any transmission/clutch issues. One of the perks of buying manual today (in the USA anyway) is that you can get an absolute steal of a price on them if they are already on the dealer lot & haven't been selling for a while. That was the case with my 2015 Yaris SE hatch (sat on lot for almost a year) & my 2020 Corolla SE sedan (sat on lot for 4 months).
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12-28-2019, 03:01 AM | #6 | |
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WOW, amazing. In the sales yard there were a lot of automatics. It's not just Honda, Toyota and Kia as well |
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12-28-2019, 09:16 AM | #7 | |
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12-28-2019, 10:29 AM | #8 |
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That's odd cause my manual hasn't cost more than the fluid I changed ($60). Bought with 160,000km and now has 350,000km. Original clutch I believe. Grabs like it should.
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12-28-2019, 09:07 PM | #9 |
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Test drove the CVT. I would give a B for BORING.
Went to Mazda as well and no more manuals. SOLD OUT! The guy at Honda said the government don't want manuals in the next 5 years anymore. Electric cars are coming. |
12-28-2019, 09:31 PM | #10 |
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^^^ I've driven the CVT Honda Fit numerous times. Compared to the Yaris 4-speed automatic, Honda's CVT is horrible. The Yaris automatic is a brilliant little transmission!
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12-28-2019, 09:35 PM | #11 | |
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Conventional 4,5 and 6 speed auto are the way to go if you want automatics. When i drove the thing It doesn't change gears at all. Like a normal automatic. It's just felt like the whole thing was laggy, no feed back to the driver making the whole driving experience spiritless and dull. |
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12-28-2019, 09:43 PM | #12 |
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The dude at the dealers cool dude and all, want us or was trying to sell us these POS CVT?! After the test drive.I said to the guy. I want a manual for an engaging drive.
Because I might fall asleep driving this CVT everyday. |
12-30-2019, 12:45 PM | #13 |
For me, that's the case for all auto's. B for Boring in all caps. This is why the perceived additional cost for a manual is worth the investment.
That's not even speaking to the Yaris manual trans being lighter and helping guys pick up significant time in autocross, etc. Last edited by ern-diz; 01-09-2020 at 04:44 PM. |
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12-31-2019, 05:38 PM | #14 |
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I think its an epa thing too, as most autos today are getting better mileage than a stick. I dont understand how, but thats what the ratings show. If they sell too many sticks then the fleet average goes down. Politics.....
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12-31-2019, 08:10 PM | #15 |
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Most people now learn to drive an automatic to the point where they can get a licence. Unfortunately, they never think about progressing their skills past this point.
Learning to drive a manual transmission also teaches you to look further ahead, take more notice of what is happening around you and plan/prepare manouvers earlier.
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01-01-2020, 12:11 AM | #16 | |
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Night and day driving a stick compared to a CVT. I can't believe they were so insistent on me buying a CVT!! I want that famous Honda manual box. DAMN IT! Those guys at the dealers are not buying the car. I am! So don't make me buy A POS CVT. I see these salesman I just want to steer clear at all cost. |
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01-01-2020, 07:47 PM | #17 |
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The only manual I saw at the Auto Show today was in a Civic TypeR pace car for the Formula4 race series. Was expecting to see one in a MX-5(they still sell about 80% with a stick), but Mazda was not in attendance.
I read recently that more EVs were sold last year in the United States than manuals. |
01-09-2020, 10:47 AM | #18 |
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My mum has a MK4 Honda Jazz with a CVT. It's actually the 2nd one she has had. She had a MK1 Honda Jazz which had a ZF made CVT. That was ok but in all likelihood the CVT would have blown up sooner or later and scrapped the car as it would be beyond economic repair. I liked it a lot more than the new one.The 16 plate one she has is pretty dreadful to drive, it is very difficult to get the car to respond. I think some of it is how the fly by wire throttle is configured but the CVT doesn't seem as responsive as the ZF made unit in the 2006 model was.
My dad has a Toyota Avensis with a CVT paired with the 2ZR-FAE engine which is very responsive considering its a 1.8 and the car probably weighs a little over 2 tons. Problem is though i have to wonder how much life the CVT has in it and effectively the car is scrap if it ever fails even though the engine may have many years left in it. It's a tragedy because i guess an awful lot of those cars on the road in the UK sold with 6 speeds. I wouldn't trade my 5 speed for anything (except maybe a 6 speed). In fact all i want to drive for the rest of my life are shitty old rust buckets from the 90's and 00's. New cars just don't do anything for me. Overpriced, over complicated, full of shite, they all look the same. No character.
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