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ozmdd · 09-29-2009, 11:05 AM

Anywhere from 1 to 2 degrees of negative camber up front should give a nice street set-up. You can purchase non-adjustable camber bolts from rockauto.com very cheap. I'm not sure how much, if any adjustment you can make without the use of camber bolts. While 0 degrees toe-in is preferred for performance, a very slight toe-in (1/16") will make the car track much better at highway speeds.

ddongbap · 09-29-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ozmdd

Anywhere from 1 to 2 degrees of negative camber up front should give a nice street set-up. You can purchase non-adjustable camber bolts from rockauto.com very cheap. I'm not sure how much, if any adjustment you can make without the use of camber bolts. While 0 degrees toe-in is preferred for performance, a very slight toe-in (1/16") will make the car track much better at highway speeds.

Toe out helps with speeds, not in. It seems like thats what you meant tho.

TheRealEnth · 09-29-2009, 01:13 PM

we need a real 1 incher on the rear...

cali yaris · 09-29-2009, 01:21 PM

stock set up should produce -1 degree if adjusted for that.

TheRealEnth · 09-29-2009, 01:28 PM

im talking bout an inch swaybar

*tk-421* · 09-29-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRealEnth

we need a real 1 incher on the rear...

Thanks but no thanks...

DOMAV · 09-29-2009, 04:41 PM

why do you change the camber bolts? what do they have different from stock?

TheRealEnth · 09-29-2009, 08:12 PM

you can easily get more +/- camber with new ones

Tamago · 09-29-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ddongbap

Toe out helps with speeds, not in. It seems like thats what you meant tho.

no you're wrong

toe in = high speed stability.

ozmdd · 09-29-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ddongbap

Toe out helps with speeds, not in. It seems like thats what you meant tho.

Tamago is correct, toe out improves turn-in, not tracking straight. Toe-in basically points the wheels towards each other, so the car is "trying" to steer to the center, toe-out has both wheels pulling away from each other, or constantly "fighting" each other. Whichever way you favor, the car will move more quickly in that direction.

ozmdd · 09-29-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMAV

why do you change the camber bolts? what do they have different from stock?

Camber bolts, particularly the nice ones like Garm sells - have an eccentric lobe on the shank (like a camshaft) where it fits through the strut bracket. By adjusting the position of the lobe, you tilt the bottom of the strut "in" or "out" from vertical, and the hub/wheel goes with it. Viola! - camber!

The stock bolt you replace is exactly that; a regular bolt that doesn't have adjustability.
I hope that helps.

ddongbap · 09-30-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

no you're wrong

toe in = high speed stability.

I am corrected.

DOMAV · 09-30-2009, 01:26 AM

Hi all thanks for all the help, so first a get the yaris aligned, then i do the rear sway bar! what will the front upper strut do? will it help?

as far as the alignment what is the factory setup? i think the garage guy will know but better if i know so i'll tell him thanks all for the help

Tamago · 09-30-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DOMAV

Hi all thanks for all the help, so first a get the yaris aligned, then i do the rear sway bar! what will the front upper strut do? will it help?

as far as the alignment what is the factory setup? i think the garage guy will know but better if i know so i'll tell him thanks all for the help

you don't want the factory setup. you want -1.5 degrees camber up front, 0 toe.

the rear you can't mess with without shims.

go read the "ultimate suspension guide" before you throw money away on a front upper strut bar.

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ozmdd Reluctantly Crouched... Drives: 2008 Yaris HB M/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 867	Anywhere from 1 to 2 degrees of negative camber up front should give a nice street set-up. You can purchase non-adjustable camber bolts from rockauto.com very cheap. I'm not sure how much, if any adjustment you can make without the use of camber bolts. While 0 degrees toe-in is preferred for performance, a very slight toe-in (1/16") will make the car track much better at highway speeds.

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DOMAV Drives: Yaris 09 T-spirit 1.33 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: MALTA Posts: 121	Hi all thanks for all the help, so first a get the yaris aligned, then i do the rear sway bar! what will the front upper strut do? will it help? as far as the alignment what is the factory setup? i think the garage guy will know but better if i know so i'll tell him thanks all for the help