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Old 07-08-2007, 02:59 AM   #1
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Trying to decide: Power Package or not

I really don't mind the crank windows or lack of keyless. The non-power mirrors? I'd get used to it. However, I really want to see a pic of the standard folding rear seat. Does it fold as flat as the one the comes with the Power Package?
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:20 AM   #2
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I really don't mind the crank windows or lack of keyless. The non-power mirrors? I'd get used to it. However, I really want to see a pic of the standard folding rear seat. Does it fold as flat as the one the comes with the Power Package?
the one that folds down flat is the RS version, it have nothing to do with power package or not... its the RS that you want if you want that feature

here is an image of what it looks like when its folded flat
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Old 07-08-2007, 05:54 AM   #3
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several people with 60/40 claim their seats fold very flat

I don't have 60/40 and the seat folds pretty flat, I have no complaints about this, have you been to the dealership and taken a close look at both?

I -really- did not want power stuff on my car personally. Manual is very -trusty- and I like that but I do drive an auto so I can't finger point to much.
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Old 07-08-2007, 08:47 AM   #4
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I don't know if the standard rear seat slide.. but the 60/40 seat can slide, so you can increase the cargo area without folding the seats... This is one of the nice feature with the 60/40.
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Old 07-08-2007, 11:03 AM   #5
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i dont have a pwr package .. and really the only advantage there is the pwr windows and door locks

just like you .. i can live without it .. not worth paying for ..
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Old 07-08-2007, 11:20 AM   #6
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Here's a shot of the one-piece seat folded down:



It's definitely not flat but it's never been a problem for me. I and others with the same configuration have fit an amazing amount of stuff into this setup. My best load yet was a mini refrigerator, a microwave, 2 medium and 1 large house plants, 2 vertical fans and 2 circular fans, along with $300 in groceries, utensils and dishes, and some computer equipment (taking them all to the new office at work). Or maybe it was the 2 boxed rack-mount computer servers, 4 rack-mount network switches, 2 vertical mount PDUs, 10kg of CAT6 cables, 15kg of 208V power cords, tool box, power driver, portable cart, folding chairs and 2 night's worth of luggage and laptops for myself and my assistant on a Sacramento run.

With regards to the power package: I have owned many vehicles throughout my lifetime thus far, and without fail the first things to always go out on them are electrical. Adding power windows and whatnot just increases the pool of early failure points. Additionally, once these things fail they are stupidly expensive - and often difficult - to repair.

For example, on my old Stratus the front door locks stopped working, and no amount of cleaning or lubricating would bring them back to a strong enough condition to actuate the lock's mechanism. Dodge's design had the little $0.30 solenoid mounted as part of the outer door assembly. The stealership wanted $600 for a pair of replacements, and salvage yards wanted $400. The labor to perform the replacement was also intensive, about 2 or 3 hours per door and a lot of scraped knuckles on a DIY, or $300 quoted by the stealership (which really means $500).

That's an awfully expensive convenience.
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Old 07-08-2007, 11:56 AM   #7
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You guys rule! Thanks for the pics and info.

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the one that folds down flat is the RS version
The US doesn't get the RS.

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have you been to the dealership and taken a close look at both
Yes, but the dealer didn't have a non-power-package-equipped liftback to look at. I did monkey around with the sliding/reclining back seat, and I can tell you it doesn't fold truly flat. And I agree -- manual is indeed trusty.

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Here's a shot of the one-piece seat folded down:
Exactly what I was looking for. I also agree with you on the "another thing to break" statement. This car is a two door; not many windows to have to roll down, either!

The main concern I had was with resale. I was under the impression a car w/o power windows/locks would have less of a resale value. Then again, I guess it's not that big of a deal.

It should also be noted that the Power Package seems to always come with ABS in this area, and I can live w/o ABS.
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Old 07-08-2007, 12:39 PM   #8
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as long as the seats fold down thats all that matters to me................
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Old 07-08-2007, 01:47 PM   #9
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Power Pack all the way. Get the alum. wheel upgrade.
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Old 07-08-2007, 03:47 PM   #10
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I personally would not get the aluminum wheel upgrade -- I would rather get aftermarket wheels.
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:27 PM   #11
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Thirty-Nine, which dealership are you going through? If you don't have one picked out yet, I can tell you about my local experiences.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:37 PM   #12
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If all goes as planned, I'll be going through Gladstone Toyota. I've had excellent service with them on my xB.
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Old 07-09-2007, 12:51 AM   #13
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get the power package
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:05 AM   #14
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if theres only gonna be one driver for the car, go without the power package. but multiple drivers means adjusting the side mirrors, and the yaris doesnt even have knobs on the a-pillars, meaning rolling down the passenger window AND leaning over and manually adjusting the side mirror itself. we tried it, and it wouldnt be very pleasant if done on a consistent basis. we do love the sliding 60-40 rear seat, but again, you can make do without this.

on the note of power packages going bad, our family has owned toyotas and hondas since '88, and oddly enough, the only window that went bad was the '97 civic without power!! the damn thing kept going off-track (total of 4 dealer visits over its last 5 years or service), and a little research showed that this was a common problem among all '96-'98 civics without power windows. we typically own cars for longer than 8 years, and not a single power door lock or window has gone bad on us from either toyota of honda. maybe we've been lucky. just a little food for thought...

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Old 07-09-2007, 12:38 PM   #15
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Power package doesn't necessarily come with the keyless entry device. I know mine didn't. But I got the power option because I know my boyfriend will also drive my car from time to time and to adjust the two side mirrors manually every time would just be a pain in the butt. Plus, I can lock the doors easily with one click instead of leaning over to lock/unlock the passenger side as well. That's why I went with power package.
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Sometimes I forget how nice it is that my wife and I are the same height.

Of course, it means she can't wear heels, but she hates those things anyway.
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:25 PM   #17
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Around here, ABS seems to be only bundled with the Power Package. I'd kinda like ABS, although I could live w/o it. However, I thought I read the braking was a lot better w/ABS on the Yaris. Is there any truth to that?
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The stock brakes work damn good under normal conditions. So good that I had to train myself to be a little lighter on them when I first got my Yaris.

IMHO ABS is overrated if you know how to drive in adverse conditions. I commute over a mountain in the Winter and do just fine without ABS because I slow down, anticipate other people, look ahead and plan ahead.
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