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Old 04-07-2014, 07:21 PM   #1
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Question 2005 Echo RS Cluster in a 3DR 2004 Echo Liftback .

Hello.
I own a 2004 Echo HB 3 Door Manual and today I was able to put my hands on a Cluster ( with RPM ) from a 2005 RS expecting it will be a pretty close to "Plug & Play" but I think I was wrong.

I've looked online but nothing came up really .
Plugs are physically the same but not the right stuff lights up when I plug it in.
Any idea if anyone has done this swap ?

Information is limited since this car was only available in Canada for 04-05 so looks like not many people has done that swap .

Anyone here has a clue when I can find some info regarding that swap ?

If it's too complicated it will be back up for sale.
It has 87,000KM and the seller gave me the 2 pigtails from the 05 with about 10" of wire and he had marked one wire that I had to take the signal from the Black wire on the OBDII port to get my tach signal and he also said maybe the Hi/Low beam indicator may not work unless you re wire it.













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Old 04-07-2014, 09:02 PM   #2
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Can you snap pictures of the wires on the connectors on your existing cluster and the ones on the pigtails on the new one? I believe I have the correct diagrams, but it helps to see the wire colors on the actual ones to verify.
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Old 04-08-2014, 04:48 AM   #3
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I'll do that tonight.
Wiring diagram from a 2004 HB 2DR manual & one from a 2005 RS manual would be perfect.

Thanks for helping me.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:20 AM   #4
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It's a tad more complicated than swapping wires..

http://clubecho-yarisquebec.com/foru...t=tach#p152990

I have posted the wiring diagram with and without tach in that thread.

I would say a simple solution is a complete gut and harness/ECM swap.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:26 AM   #5
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Hello.
Talking about that forum.
I tried to register under mpcv2000 and I can't because somehow I may have clic that I was under 16 Y.O or so and I need to have my parent to sign for me or some like that I've wrote to the admin and never got a reply from them.
This was like 6 months ago.
Can you contact them for me ( same user name ) and because I'm not a member I can't see the link you posted here.
Thanks for your help.

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Old 04-08-2014, 08:33 AM   #6
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LOL, there are no admins there.. we're kinda left out and is crap. sorry can't help.

but here are the diags... and also what happens with this is that you COULD get the tach to work, but the whole thing is not perfect with your current wiring. The guy who did the swap on the other forum gave up, because it also read the wrong speed (about 20kmh difference) but i think that's because it is AT vs MT.

enjoy!

avec tach















sans tach










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Old 04-08-2014, 08:34 AM   #7
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OK la je suis a la job mais ce soir je vais regarder ca.

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Old 04-08-2014, 07:19 PM   #8
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Here's some shots I just took.

Top is 05 Manual with RPM ( obviously )




















On the 2005 with RPM the 22 pin connector is on the left side .











On the 2004 HB manual it's under the cluster and the 22 pin connector is on the right side.















2004 harness













Closer to you is the 2005 and far is the 2004.











2005 cluster & connector




















I'm putting the stock cluster back until I can figure out which wire is what and I'll tap the 05 pigtail to the 04 so I'll have both in case if I have to put the 04 back in.


I'll look at the above pictures from the other member to see if I can figure out what is what.
I think it is doable.


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Old 04-08-2014, 08:20 PM   #9
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*****This is not a Echo Diagram***** Getting some info like this would be perfect .
( took somewhere online )


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From what I am seeing comparing the two sets of EWDs there are a lot of wires that need to move around. I also do see in the EPC that the speed sensors for the AT and MT have different part numbers, but the clusters are not shown as having different part numbers for MT vs AT.
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That chart is exactly what I was doing for the comparison. Here is what I put together showing where everything moves. The only issue I see from the wiring is that the headlight indicator on the 05 has one wire from the headlight bulbs and one from the headlight switch whereas the 04 only has one wire from the headlight switch:



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I haven't look at the diagram yet but the guy who sold me the cluster told me I had to change something because the Hi/Low beam light will not work.
He also identify for me the RPM wire that should connect to the Black wire on the OBDII port for RPM signal.
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:51 PM   #13
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Wow I just look at the PDF file you gave me and this will be perfect .
I'll have to be sober to dig into it tho so it won't be tonight.
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Wow I just look at the PDF file you gave me and this will be perfect .
I'll have to be sober to dig into it tho so it won't be tonight.
That's definitely at least a 3 beer job. I would take the pigtails and splice them to the existing wires. That way you can easily swap back and forth.
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One more.
Do you also have a chart with all the abbreviation means ?
I know it's color but Blue Black Brown Caps no Caps .
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One more.
Do you also have a chart with all the abbreviation means ?
I know it's color but Blue Black Brown Caps no Caps .
Caps no caps = tired

B - Black
R - Red
Y - Yellow
W - White
L - Light blue
O - Orange
Br - Brown
G - Green
V - Violet

color1-color2 = Color1 with color2 stripe
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I know I will sound nob but I'm not use to Toyota stuff , name , abbreviation , etc.
What means "EWD" and "EPC".

The only time I've mess with Toyota parts it is when I was working on my swapped RX7
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Sorry I thought the Caps on and off had a meaning on the color or stripes.

That will be a fun project.
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