20% methanol in 2013 - Toyota Yaris Forums

charles nelson · 02-06-2012, 02:55 PM

After Aug 31, 2013, gasoline has to have a 20% ethanol content in Minnesota.
My Toyota dealer won't say one way or the other whether or not my 2008 Yaris can handle it. The owners manual says 10% max. Another website site said that 20% would void Toyota warranties. My dealer is trying to convince me to trade in my 2008 for a 2012 Yaris.

Anyone have a comment on this situation?

why? · 02-06-2012, 05:01 PM

don't change anything until after the law goes into effect. No way toyota knows if the current 2012's can take it either.

if you are just talking to a salesman, he's just trying to say anything to sell you a car.

From what I remember about the ethanol debate, the average car can deal with 15% or so I think. Either way though, the 2012's can't deal with anything the previous models can't deal with.

If they could you would be seeing a massive ad campaign for it.

daf62757 · 02-06-2012, 06:17 PM

Wonderful! Another brilliant idea for government!

fnkngrv · 02-06-2012, 06:51 PM

I wouldn't put it passed them. I would think that if that really did get approved and it caused your engine system to fail then you could take action against the state as Toyota would not be technically liable. There was a lady here in my local area a couple years ago that had her motor burn out from ethanol. It was an older one and she had bought the extended warranty through Toyota. The owners manual stated no more than 5% otherwise it would void. When she attempted to bring it up as it was found due to 10-15% ethanol at the pumps here Toyota did not warranty it, but she was able to bring a case against the state in Maine State Supreme Court and they (Maine) were found to have to replace the engine for her to the tune of 7k.

fnkngrv · 02-06-2012, 06:53 PM

You also have to remember that you are in the middle of grain belt and they are pushing ethanol hard politically because it is a cash crop for them. Not that I agree in the least. I hate it. When I lived in Alabama last year I had a gas station that sold ethanol free gas. It cost 50 cents more a gallon, but I got roughly 6-8 more mpg and my car ran much smoother. That was until I went boosted tho.

*Astroman* · 02-09-2012, 05:07 PM

I hate ethanol. I lost 4-5mpg

CPALK719 · 02-09-2012, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by why?

don't change anything until after the law goes into effect. No way toyota knows if the current 2012's can take it either.

if you are just talking to a salesman, he's just trying to say anything to sell you a car.

From what I remember about the ethanol debate, the average car can deal with 15% or so I think. Either way though, the 2012's can't deal with anything the previous models can't deal with.

If they could you would be seeing a massive ad campaign for it.

if i recall looking at the gas cap in my 2012 yaris, it can't use anymore then 10% as well... so i dont believe the government, would mandate us to use it, considering most vehicles cant run it. and i highly doubt they will pay for each and every U.S citizen to buy a car that can handle more then 10% ethanol.

fnkngrv · 02-09-2012, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPALK719

if i recall looking at the gas cap in my 2012 yaris, it can't use anymore then 10% as well... so i dont believe the government, would mandate us to use it, considering most vehicles cant run it. and i highly doubt they will pay for each and every U.S citizen to buy a car that can handle more then 10% ethanol.

You have to remember that this is a State government and not a Federal government issue that could become mandated. Just take a look at California. They have many laws that extend well above the national "standards" even though some of them cost their tax payers a great deal more to do so.

auxmike · 02-09-2012, 07:59 PM

Mabye it's time for another cash for clunkers!

Spidermandud · 02-09-2012, 10:33 PM

Ethanol isn't exactly effective either from what i've read. . .
>http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicl...l-ethanol.html

I haven't done the research myself. . . but it just seems like we'd be exhausting another resource that's less efficient than what we've got to begin with. MEH.

02-06-2012, 02:55 PM	#1
charles nelson Drives: red Liftback Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St Cloud Minnesota Posts: 68	20% methanol in 2013 After Aug 31, 2013, gasoline has to have a 20% ethanol content in Minnesota. My Toyota dealer won't say one way or the other whether or not my 2008 Yaris can handle it. The owners manual says 10% max. Another website site said that 20% would void Toyota warranties. My dealer is trying to convince me to trade in my 2008 for a 2012 Yaris. Anyone have a comment on this situation?

02-06-2012, 05:01 PM	#2
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	don't change anything until after the law goes into effect. No way toyota knows if the current 2012's can take it either. if you are just talking to a salesman, he's just trying to say anything to sell you a car. From what I remember about the ethanol debate, the average car can deal with 15% or so I think. Either way though, the 2012's can't deal with anything the previous models can't deal with. If they could you would be seeing a massive ad campaign for it. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

02-06-2012, 06:17 PM	#3
daf62757 Nothing beats a Toyota! View User's Garage Drives: 2013 Yaris 5 dr liftback Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 564	Wonderful! Another brilliant idea for government! __________________ Big Dave Indianapolis, IN Synthetic Oil....its in my car.....for at least 10,000 miles!

02-06-2012, 06:51 PM	#4
fnkngrv Mr. 155 and climbing View User's Garage Drives: Seriously Modded 07 Sedan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Hotbox Posts: 4,742	I wouldn't put it passed them. I would think that if that really did get approved and it caused your engine system to fail then you could take action against the state as Toyota would not be technically liable. There was a lady here in my local area a couple years ago that had her motor burn out from ethanol. It was an older one and she had bought the extended warranty through Toyota. The owners manual stated no more than 5% otherwise it would void. When she attempted to bring it up as it was found due to 10-15% ethanol at the pumps here Toyota did not warranty it, but she was able to bring a case against the state in Maine State Supreme Court and they (Maine) were found to have to replace the engine for her to the tune of 7k. __________________ Team Tiamat Racing on Facebook Youtube Channel: Team Tiamat Racing *Class record holder in Land Speed @ 154.5mph for 1.5 mile and 145.5mph in the mile in the F (2.016 to 3.014 L), G (1.524 to 2.015 L), and H (1.016 to 1.523 L) classes.*

02-06-2012, 06:53 PM	#5
fnkngrv Mr. 155 and climbing View User's Garage Drives: Seriously Modded 07 Sedan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Hotbox Posts: 4,742	You also have to remember that you are in the middle of grain belt and they are pushing ethanol hard politically because it is a cash crop for them. Not that I agree in the least. I hate it. When I lived in Alabama last year I had a gas station that sold ethanol free gas. It cost 50 cents more a gallon, but I got roughly 6-8 more mpg and my car ran much smoother. That was until I went boosted tho. __________________ Team Tiamat Racing on Facebook Youtube Channel: Team Tiamat Racing *Class record holder in Land Speed @ 154.5mph for 1.5 mile and 145.5mph in the mile in the F (2.016 to 3.014 L), G (1.524 to 2.015 L), and H (1.016 to 1.523 L) classes.*

02-09-2012, 05:07 PM	#6
Astroman Modded Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris, 71 Galaxie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA Posts: 3,670	I hate ethanol. I lost 4-5mpg __________________ Please visit my online store for computer stuff and Official Yarisworld decals!

02-09-2012, 07:59 PM	#9
auxmike Drives: 2008 HB, A/T, Power W/L/M Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: LI, New Yawk Posts: 2,063	Mabye it's time for another cash for clunkers! __________________ Never take eyes off opponent - Bruce Lee

02-09-2012, 10:33 PM	#10
Spidermandud Drives: Black '08 Yaris Hatch S Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Johnson City, Tennessee Posts: 320	Ethanol isn't exactly effective either from what i've read. . . >http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicl...l-ethanol.html I haven't done the research myself. . . but it just seems like we'd be exhausting another resource that's less efficient than what we've got to begin with. MEH. __________________ -Will-

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