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Old 10-14-2021, 03:09 AM   #55
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I got the LSD fitted, and it's made an awesome difference!

This gearbox is much less clunky than the other one.
Still a bit stiff sometimes, but not too bad.

Still working on how I want the engine bay to look, currently black trumpets and purple engine cover.

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The trumpet length has been good, but they only juuuussssttt touch the edge of the bonnet. Which is actually fine, I could file them slightly to fit.

But ultimately I want an airbox over them for longevity.

So started on some new trumpets with more of a bend.

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Then started on an airbox, printed a 2D section for starters then looked to see where it would hit things. Used some plasticine to find the areas where clearance was poor.

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Then started on a revised model, and currently printing it.

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Ready for printing:

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Artists impression to help visualize it:

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Once the shape looks good I'll need to figure out how to split the shape up into bits so I can still get inside to do up the trumpets. Then what sort of filter to use, and its exact position.
Then start making some thin printed parts which I will carbon wrap.

It's cool making 100% carbon parts, but, it's considerably more work for only very small weight savings. Using 3d printing to get the geometry correct, then using carbon for strength is a very quick and easy process. (comparatively)
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:06 PM   #56
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Old 10-28-2021, 09:32 AM   #57
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Airbox has been progressing nicely, latest revision fits a pod filter on.

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Then wrapped in carbon for strength.

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I'm still working on the lid part, but happy with it!

Also ordered some maxspeeding rods, and will try get a set of the 13:1 pistons so I can get VVTI working.

So I can hopefully rev to 9k with a bit more safety margin than factory rods.
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Old 10-28-2021, 09:34 AM   #58
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Here's an idea of how it goes/sounds with ITB and an 8300rpm limiter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plcoepnwp8A
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Old 10-28-2021, 06:41 PM   #59
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Airbox has been progressing nicely, latest revision fits a pod filter on.

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Then wrapped in carbon for strength.

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I'm still working on the lid part, but happy with it!

Also ordered some maxspeeding rods, and will try get a set of the 13:1 pistons so I can get VVTI working.

So I can hopefully rev to 9k with a bit more safety margin than factory rods.
Dang that is neat!
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Old 10-29-2021, 04:28 AM   #60
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Those ratios in the C56 must make it feel like an entirely different animal.
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Old 11-20-2021, 12:53 AM   #61
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I finished the airbox lid, and with everything installed it lost exactly 0% power.

Great! However it decreased the intake noise massively. Which is good and bad depending on what you're doing.

I had another play around with the VVTI situation.

I retarded the intake cam gear by two teeth, this allows a full range of movement without hitting valves into pistons with the 13.4:1 variants.

It's worked out well enough, but basically it's indicating that it would love to have more advance through the midrange, and would likely also love to rev out some more!

Some people have said that VVTI wont work at high rpm with the JUN cams and/or BC springs, but it works fine holding full cam advance right to 8500rpm.

To find the best VVTI angle, normally I'd measure the MAF output to optimize the airflow.

However since it's ITB the next best thing is to monitor how lean or rich it runs at full throttle through the rpm range.

Since the amount of fuel that gets sent is fixed, if more air comes in, then it will run leaner. And vice versa.

So on this graph, basically which ever line is the highest gives the best result.

The previous home position of the cam was somewhere around the 30 degree mark on this graph (yellow line) and you can see that now ~45 degrees advance is giving best airflow until very close to redline (red line)

Interestingly, the point that the curves cross over usually corresponds to peak torque. In this case that's happening at around 8k rpm.

I could probably rev it to 9 or higher and still see benefits, if it wouldnt likely cause mechanical issues such as a rod flying out of the block haha.

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Old 11-27-2021, 06:15 PM   #62
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You might want to crack the vvt gear open and put some limiting blocks inside it.

With my 272 cams the car really didn't make good use of the extra torque below 5k anyway since the close ratio transmission never allowed me to be there anyway.
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Old 11-29-2021, 05:39 PM   #63
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You might want to crack the vvt gear open and put some limiting blocks inside it.

Ahhh yeah thats what I ended up doing.
I moved the cam another tooth forward, and added a stopper. This gave a good spread of cam angles that responded well at various rpm. Ends up with about 17 degrees of cam advance over the standard position with no vvti.

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If I moved the cam back to its normal position, I'd end up losing out on top end. So will keep it where it is. Happy with that!

I went to the drags and it was heaps of fun.
I was having some issues with heat soak causing big ignition timing pulls off the line. I've never done anything with the car so far that leaves it stationary for long periods, saturating with heat.
So I was getting falsely high IAT readings (up to 70 deg c) which meant it was pulling around 7 degrees timing out, when I only run 25 deg timing max by 8500rpm.

So I'll try get that a bit better sorted for next time, I'll try take some sort of ambient temp reading and then clamp the IAT signal to this.

Good fun though and I was happy with my trap speed considering it's still got a standard header and exhaust.

14.7 @ 94.4mph, earlier in the day I did a 95.5mph when it was cooler.


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Old 11-29-2021, 09:02 PM   #64
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You might want to make some long tubes for the car, its a huge bump in mid range and top end.
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Old 11-30-2021, 02:59 AM   #65
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Yeah that's the plan!

I've been waiting until I've got a hoist available first, but covid related fun times has delayed things a bit.
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Old 01-14-2022, 06:48 PM   #66
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Had this car on the dyno, made 141hp at the hubs.

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Happy with that!

A friend loaned me some drag slicks to try.
So last night at the drags.

Suuuper busy, but it was really awesome to see a big crowd at the drags, lots of spectators too. Was a cool atmosphere.

So first run, set the hoosiers to around 20psi which is very high, but wanted to start out conservative.

Ran a 14.092 @ 100.21 mph with a 2.33 60ft.

Super happy with that!

I was convinced at this point that I'd get a 13 tonight.

Second run we dropped the pressures a bit, launch wasnt so good and I ran a 14.1 with a higher 60ft.

At this point I figured I'd probably cursed myself saying I'll get a 13.

Looking at the logs of both runs, the motor was bogging a bit when I was trying to roll into the throttle and clutch.

So third run, set a launch limiter at 5500rpm. Full throttle sitting on line, dump the clutch.

And crap. No wheel hop no big spinning, just felt like stretching out and releasing a rubber band.

It felt so much faster than my first run, I crossed the line realizing it must be a 13. Absolutely stoked beyond belief

Get my time slip and was blown away

13.83 @ 99.6 mph with a 2.1 60ft

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Here's the video for it

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Old 01-17-2022, 07:46 PM   #67
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Amazing, congrats!

Best I ever got a time slip for was a 17 with the Blitz and my slightly-too-heavy AutoX tires. Oof.
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Old 01-18-2022, 06:23 PM   #68
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I wonder if such a similar build is possible with the 2ZR-FXE pistons in a regular 2ZR-FE, this could open up an entirely new era of hotrodding Toyota engines, at least from a naturally aspirated route.
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