Harmful to shift without clutch? - Toyota Yaris Forums

kenkyd · 02-06-2009, 04:53 PM

The car has been sitting now for 2 weeks, since i had surgery and cant use my left leg. I went out today to try and use my leg and the clutch doesnt hurt as much to push in. Car wouldnt start for 3 minutes but its running now. Considering its quite simple to shift gears up and down without the clutch, is it harmful to do? Id use it to start off and such, but not after.

m911gt · 02-06-2009, 04:56 PM

I would strongly suggest not shifting without the clutch!

marcus · 02-06-2009, 04:58 PM

wow ...thats nuts unless you know ur gears inside out..isnt that power shifting..must know what rev to shift if you miss then ull get this nasty gear grind that most people hate to heaR..

m911gt · 02-06-2009, 04:59 PM

yes, if you can rev-match without any grinding...then go ahead...otherwise, no way

kenkyd · 02-06-2009, 05:07 PM

yeah, i plan on driving it to where i NEED to go if i do that. Just sitting in the house for a couple weeks now is driving me insane. All the channels and xbox games in the world cant keep me sane until i can go back to work in end of march.

m911gt · 02-06-2009, 05:08 PM

yes that would be rough, just be really careful if you decide to drive...it could be pretty abusive on your clutch and transmission

Tamago · 02-06-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by m911gt

yes that would be rough, just be really careful if you decide to drive...it could be pretty abusive on your clutch and transmission

it's in no way abusive to your clutch, since you'll only be using it to get rolling..

it's not really abusive to your transmission if it's done properly. it's probably BETTER on your synchros to shift without the clutch actually, if done gently.

Loren · 02-06-2009, 07:06 PM

If you're talented enough to match revs and shift up and down without grinding gears, you won't hurt a thing. The key is "mechanical empathy". Don't force it.

nemelek · 02-06-2009, 07:40 PM

I used to do it a lot. I had an 88 Toyota truck with 175k and had no problems. I am old now and haven't owned a stick in 3 years.

twowheels · 02-06-2009, 08:36 PM

In elementary school I had a bus driver who always shifted clutchless. I was amazed and took up the practice myself later in life for some time (though no longer do). My biggest concern would be if you don't actually rev match the transmission to the engine you'll be putting more force on your syncros, though having seen how some people mash the car into gear without matching it's probably not much worse if you're trying not to. I always teach beginners to shift with their fingertips instead of their palm so that they learn how to guide it into gear rather than force it in.

Phaeton · 02-06-2009, 09:05 PM

I did it all the time with my Kenworth lol. Of course that's a little different.

Tamago · 02-06-2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twowheels

In elementary school I had a bus driver who always shifted clutchless. I was amazed and took up the practice myself later in life for some time (though no longer do). My biggest concern would be if you don't actually rev match the transmission to the engine you'll be putting more force on your syncros, though having seen how some people mash the car into gear without matching it's probably not much worse if you're trying not to. I always teach beginners to shift with their fingertips instead of their palm so that they learn how to guide it into gear rather than force it in.

that right there is the key, with or with out clutch.. we're talkin tiny lil gears here people. if you can't revmatch on an up AND DOWN shift, you shouldn't be driving a manual trans IMO

Castaway · 02-06-2009, 10:59 PM

If you can change shift gears without grinding them, you won't cause any wear on either the clutch or the synchros. I've been doing it since i learned driving farm tractors (no synchros) at age 12.

cfiimei · 02-08-2009, 06:32 PM

I was a VW (the old air cooled type) freak for years. Had a 66 Microbus, a 62 Karmann Ghia, and a 70 Bug. They were notorious for breaking clutch cables. The starters were strong, though, and I once drove the bus an entire month with no clutch cable. I simply started the thing in first gear, and shifted clutchless - never heard grinding, but the starts were kinda lurchy.

JBIZZ · 02-08-2009, 07:06 PM

In my 1st car, an 88 tercel, my clutch went out. I drove it for a week clutchless, till
I could afford to get it fixed. I would recommend starting out in a higher gear, so you shift less. You gotta time it just right, & at low RPMs, to reduce gear grinding. The funny thing is, in the tercel, I didn't have to put the clutch in to start it, with the clutch broken. I would put it in second or third gear and turn the key. the starter would push the car until it started. It was hilarious, & the starter never broke.

IllusionX · 02-09-2009, 08:30 AM

I used to do it on my echo and a civic.
I had the 93 civic for a week, and i was able to shift without clutch eyes closed.
for some reasons, i have no idea why i'm still not able to do it with my yaris after 2.5 years and 60k km.

djgab101 · 02-09-2009, 08:57 AM

dude your crazy ...... i wouldnt do it may cause problems for you in the future!!!

REM · 02-09-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamago

that right there is the key, with or with out clutch.. we're talkin tiny lil gears here people. if you can't revmatch on an up AND DOWN shift, you shouldn't be driving a manual trans IMO

My Yaris is the first manual car, so maybe I'm a little naive but what is revmatching?

02-06-2009, 04:53 PM	#1
kenkyd kanye Drives: 11 Corolla S Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 88	Harmful to shift without clutch? The car has been sitting now for 2 weeks, since i had surgery and cant use my left leg. I went out today to try and use my leg and the clutch doesnt hurt as much to push in. Car wouldnt start for 3 minutes but its running now. Considering its quite simple to shift gears up and down without the clutch, is it harmful to do? Id use it to start off and such, but not after.

02-06-2009, 04:56 PM	#2
m911gt Carless in Chicago View User's Garage Drives: 08 Blk LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,479	I would strongly suggest not shifting without the clutch! __________________ Wanted: Forced Induction Some say that he is the secret love child of Ferrari and Porsche, and others say that he would lap James May twice in a 1/4 mile drag race. All we know is that he is called The Stig.

02-06-2009, 04:59 PM	#4
m911gt Carless in Chicago View User's Garage Drives: 08 Blk LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,479	yes, if you can rev-match without any grinding...then go ahead...otherwise, no way __________________ Wanted: Forced Induction Some say that he is the secret love child of Ferrari and Porsche, and others say that he would lap James May twice in a 1/4 mile drag race. All we know is that he is called The Stig.

02-06-2009, 05:08 PM	#6
m911gt Carless in Chicago View User's Garage Drives: 08 Blk LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,479	yes that would be rough, just be really careful if you decide to drive...it could be pretty abusive on your clutch and transmission __________________ Wanted: Forced Induction Some say that he is the secret love child of Ferrari and Porsche, and others say that he would lap James May twice in a 1/4 mile drag race. All we know is that he is called The Stig.

02-06-2009, 07:06 PM	#8
Loren What? Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Safety Harbor, FL Posts: 1,006	If you're talented enough to match revs and shift up and down without grinding gears, you won't hurt a thing. The key is "mechanical empathy". Don't force it. __________________ ----------------------- Loren@InvisibleSun.org -----------------------

02-06-2009, 04:58 PM	#3
marcus toyota View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris RS Blazed Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 3,637	wow ...thats nuts unless you know ur gears inside out..isnt that power shifting..must know what rev to shift if you miss then ull get this nasty gear grind that most people hate to heaR..

02-06-2009, 05:07 PM	#5
kenkyd kanye Drives: 11 Corolla S Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 88	yeah, i plan on driving it to where i NEED to go if i do that. Just sitting in the house for a couple weeks now is driving me insane. All the channels and xbox games in the world cant keep me sane until i can go back to work in end of march.

02-06-2009, 07:40 PM	#9
nemelek DWEED Drives: 3DR 2008 Metorite Metalic Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,161	I used to do it a lot. I had an 88 Toyota truck with 175k and had no problems. I am old now and haven't owned a stick in 3 years. __________________ Making a decision without following it with an action is still a fantasy.

02-06-2009, 08:36 PM	#10
twowheels Drives: '09 Meteorite Metallic 3 dr MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CA Posts: 127	In elementary school I had a bus driver who always shifted clutchless. I was amazed and took up the practice myself later in life for some time (though no longer do). My biggest concern would be if you don't actually rev match the transmission to the engine you'll be putting more force on your syncros, though having seen how some people mash the car into gear without matching it's probably not much worse if you're trying not to. I always teach beginners to shift with their fingertips instead of their palm so that they learn how to guide it into gear rather than force it in.

02-06-2009, 09:05 PM	#11
Phaeton View User's Garage Drives: Blazing Blue Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Port Angeles, Wa Posts: 385	I did it all the time with my Kenworth lol. Of course that's a little different.

02-06-2009, 10:59 PM	#13
Castaway View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris hb 2d Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Quebec city Posts: 40	If you can change shift gears without grinding them, you won't cause any wear on either the clutch or the synchros. I've been doing it since i learned driving farm tractors (no synchros) at age 12.

02-08-2009, 06:32 PM	#14
cfiimei Drives: Sedan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: midwest Posts: 40	I was a VW (the old air cooled type) freak for years. Had a 66 Microbus, a 62 Karmann Ghia, and a 70 Bug. They were notorious for breaking clutch cables. The starters were strong, though, and I once drove the bus an entire month with no clutch cable. I simply started the thing in first gear, and shifted clutchless - never heard grinding, but the starts were kinda lurchy.

02-08-2009, 07:06 PM	#15
JBIZZ Drives: 2007 Liftback white Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 122	In my 1st car, an 88 tercel, my clutch went out. I drove it for a week clutchless, till I could afford to get it fixed. I would recommend starting out in a higher gear, so you shift less. You gotta time it just right, & at low RPMs, to reduce gear grinding. The funny thing is, in the tercel, I didn't have to put the clutch in to start it, with the clutch broken. I would put it in second or third gear and turn the key. the starter would push the car until it started. It was hilarious, & the starter never broke.

02-09-2009, 08:30 AM	#16
IllusionX It's the illusion you see View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Sedan Aero Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brossard, QC Posts: 3,888	I used to do it on my echo and a civic. I had the 93 civic for a week, and i was able to shift without clutch eyes closed. for some reasons, i have no idea why i'm still not able to do it with my yaris after 2.5 years and 60k km.

02-09-2009, 08:57 AM	#17
djgab101 Drives: toyota yaris Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: australia Posts: 247	dude your crazy ...... i wouldnt do it may cause problems for you in the future!!!

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