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MadMax · 11-10-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

I'd disagree, but I know I'm in the minority here. If you feel the need to carry a concealed weapon, you are not free. True freedom would negate the need for such.

And just how do you think we got that freedom? And just how have we maintained that freedom for over 230 years?

We are talking about the freedoms our founding fathers had the forethought to grant us, and ones many brave Americans have fought and died to preserve.

It is one of the things that makes this country truly free, and having spent 25 years of my life defending the Constitution and those freedoms, I take offense to the comment that exercising your Second Amendment right is not freedom!

SailDesign · 11-10-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

And just how do you think we got that freedom? And just how have we maintained that freedom for over 230 years?

We are talking about the freedoms our founding fathers had the forethought to grant us, and ones many brave Americans have fought and died to preserve.

It is one of the things that makes this country truly free, and having spent 25 years of my life defending the Constitution and those freedoms, I take offense to the comment that exercising your Second Amendment right is not freedom!

Max,
I'm not going to argue. You have your view, I have mine - leave it lie.

MadMax · 11-10-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

Max,
I'm not going to argue. You have your view, I have mine - leave it lie.

You stated your view, so I stated mine. Are you denying the First Amendment as being a part of freedom now as well?

SailDesign · 11-10-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

You stated your view, so I stated mine. Are you denying the First Amendment as being a part of freedom now as well?

I'm not denying you the right to mouth off about anything at all. i'm just saying that I'm not going to play....

SailDesign · 11-10-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

can we go back to talking gun spec instead of politics ?

Any time. Please!

darthbauer · 11-10-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GeneW

Congrats, that's a "Other Weapon" firearm, if the barrel is under 18 inches. In other words if it's not on the Registry you're gonna have some 'splaining to do.

Gene

Sorry but barrel laws do not pertain to weapons that can not be fired from the shoulder. If there is no stock then you can have any length barrel on anything. That's why AR pistols can have 7.5 inch barrels and not be SBR's.

darthbauer · 11-10-2008, 10:49 AM

Also, on a side note, shotgun barrels have to be 18 inch or over if a stock is on the weapon. 16 inches is only rifles or pistols that can be fired from the shoulder.

darthbauer · 11-10-2008, 10:51 AM

If there is no stock then the law see's it as not being able to be fired from the shoulder.

darthbauer · 11-10-2008, 10:54 AM

So this would be an SBR

And this would not

darthbauer · 11-10-2008, 11:03 AM

Their both fun but one is registered as a pistol and the other a rifle. Also, once an AR pistol is registered as a pistol then you can not convert it to a short barreled rifle and register it that way.

SailDesign · 11-10-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by darthbauer

Their both fun but one is registered as a pistol and the other a rifle. Also, once an AR pistol is registered as a pistol then you can not convert it to a short barreled rifle and register it that way.

Dontcha just love the way laws are written?

firemachine69 · 11-10-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

why are you calling me ignorant canadian? maybe i didn't pop out from my mom with a gun in my hands but i must disappoint you i know more than you think about weapons and their potential to destroy. i for one seen the effects of weapon fire on flesh unlike solid cement or metal targets. solid targets won't have the same damage as flesh targets its physics. a simple 7.62mm round will rip the flesh to shreds since they have the tendancy to tumble once inside the target rather than go straight. i spent my first 10 years on a military base in Poland, i went to the shooting ranges and i even attended class given to recruits about weapon damage.

it is you i believe that watched too many Rambo movies. ask any soldier that's been in a conflict and they will all say that people just don't drop dead from being shot (the lucky ones do). A sniper is trained to kill not to maim, this is job one shot one kill. and i'm sorry but a shot from .50 Barett to the head will leave you with a year supply of jam. so please think before you post , and don't go jumping to conclusions

Once again, you've proven ignorance.

If the terminal velocity of the round happens to be lower (i.e. reaching out and "touching" them at a mile away, yes, the mess will be pretty decent, but not much greater than a .308 @ roughly half a mile. If the poor sap is exceedingly close, wears no hard (or soft) armor, and ball ammunition is used, it'll likely go right through him, like a spear. Because if you were truly trained by the military, you'd know with such a large caliber to shoot for center of mass (C.O.M.), NOT for rambo-style "head shots".

It's all in the ammo, and how it's loaded. A .308 +P HP jacketed round will be supremely more devastating as opposed to a ball .50. I shoot as a hobby, and still do, and I am fully aware of the potential for damage and such, and what particular bullet with power package will deliver in terms of flesh damage.

This is simply physics.

darthbauer · 11-10-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

Dontcha just love the way laws are written?

Oh yeah and its fun to find the loop holes to get around them.

firemachine69 · 11-10-2008, 11:32 AM

If you're truly interested, the US Army has a paper that's highly detailed. IIRC it was over 200 pages, I should find it again.

Most people (including most first-time field veterans) can't properly assess bullet wounds due to shock. This was a sticking point of that paper.

I have not had cause to shoot anyone in my lifetime, and hope I never do.

And camell, no pics??

slothman86 · 11-10-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

not to open a can of worms , but why do you need CCW?
are the States that dangerous?

better to have and not need, than to need and not have...

darthbauer · 11-10-2008, 11:34 AM

XD's are nice but boo on the streamlight

SIPNGAS · 11-10-2008, 11:36 AM

Wow...

darthbauer · 11-10-2008, 11:38 AM

It might have something to do with the fact that i have ties with Surefire.

I use a combo of an X200 with crimson trace grips on my 226.

11-10-2008, 10:49 AM	#79
darthbauer Not really here... Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue S hatchback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,062	Also, on a side note, shotgun barrels have to be 18 inch or over if a stock is on the weapon. 16 inches is only rifles or pistols that can be fired from the shoulder. __________________ Liberate Tutemet Ex Infernis.

11-10-2008, 10:51 AM	#80
darthbauer Not really here... Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue S hatchback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,062	If there is no stock then the law see's it as not being able to be fired from the shoulder. __________________ Liberate Tutemet Ex Infernis.

11-10-2008, 10:54 AM	#81
darthbauer Not really here... Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue S hatchback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,062	So this would be an SBR And this would not __________________ Liberate Tutemet Ex Infernis.

11-10-2008, 11:03 AM	#82
darthbauer Not really here... Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue S hatchback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,062	Their both fun but one is registered as a pistol and the other a rifle. Also, once an AR pistol is registered as a pistol then you can not convert it to a short barreled rifle and register it that way. __________________ Liberate Tutemet Ex Infernis.

11-10-2008, 11:34 AM	#88
darthbauer Not really here... Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue S hatchback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,062	XD's are nice but boo on the streamlight __________________ Liberate Tutemet Ex Infernis.

11-10-2008, 11:32 AM	#86
firemachine69 School'er of hard knocks Drives: Silver Yaris 4dr. HB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sudbury, On Posts: 556	If you're truly interested, the US Army has a paper that's highly detailed. IIRC it was over 200 pages, I should find it again. Most people (including most first-time field veterans) can't properly assess bullet wounds due to shock. This was a sticking point of that paper. I have not had cause to shoot anyone in my lifetime, and hope I never do. And camell, no pics??

11-10-2008, 11:36 AM	#89
SIPNGAS I LOVE my Yaris! View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Polar White LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southeast Wisconsin Posts: 5,164	Wow... __________________ We don't see things as THEY are...we see them as WE are. Lisa aka *SIPNGAS*

11-10-2008, 11:38 AM	#90
darthbauer Not really here... Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue S hatchback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,062	It might have something to do with the fact that i have ties with Surefire. I use a combo of an X200 with crimson trace grips on my 226. __________________ Liberate Tutemet Ex Infernis.

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