ABS and "!" lights are ON again!

[onizuka]

Last year I got the speed sensor problem fixed. Waited for parts for 2 weeks, and driven my car without ABS in snow for 2 weeks. And now a year later, the problem happens again after an afternoon of snowy driving.

I recall my dealer telling me how the speed sensor can easily be malfunction due to salt splash. Dammit, I hope it's on the other side, because I can't believe how the same parts fail twice in 2 years. I have to bring my car in on Monday.

My car is heading its 4th year, and I hope my warranty continues to cover this.
:mad:

[IllusionX]

(!) is handbrake ... hmm... ??? let me try to spot if there's another ! somewhere... haha..

[onizuka]

Yes, ABS and handbrake lights are on. Meaning that your ABS is inactive.

Been there, done that last year. Speed sensor is defective. If I'm getting the same problem again due to cold/snowy weather, this proves that the car is poorly handling our Canadian winter.

[Pars]

+1
Been there done that....
Last winter, I was without ABS for about 2 month, through the thick of it.
They initially replaced the sensor for one of the rear wheels ($450+), but after a week, the problem came back. It took me about a month to take the car back in and their senior mechanic spent 2hrs on it and decided he couldn't fix it and they'd have to order in a new wiring harness since the connections were corroded. After a week, they got the new Harness in, and that solved the problem. However, I was dinged another $250 for the harness. Total was over $700+ to fix the problem. However, since I sold the car several month ago, don't know if the problem would have re-occur.

If I was in the market for another Yaris, I'd pass on the ABS, unless Toyota Canada came to the rescue. But, Since the problem seems to happen shortly after the warranty expires, I doubt it.

[Pars]

Yes, ABS and handbrake lights are on. Meaning that your ABS is inactive.

Been there, done that last year. Speed sensor is defective. If I'm getting the same problem again due to cold/snowy weather, this proves that the car is poorly handling our Canadian winter.

Actually, the car handles great in the snow, without the ABS. I put on about 20,000km last winter, with ABS light on...(not working). Having the ABS would have been nice, but the little car still has good balance, all it needs is a good set of snow tires. In fact, I think the Yaris's ABS system shines when the road is dry, in the snow, it tends to over react.

[thebarber]

i wouldnt pay for sh!t if its under 60k and 3 yrs

even if its a part they replaced....should have a warranty on it too

i had LOTS of stuff go wrong with my matrix xrs in the 3yrs and 87k i owned....and i never paid one penny for warranty items (that steering rack paid for the ecp, lol)

[Adriaan]

I also had the same problem, on mine last year winter. Make sure they change the harness with the sensor, and if you can see if you can watch. I made a big fuzz when they did mine so they let me watch. It was badly corroded. when he placed the new one he put contact cleaner on it and once installed put white grease on it also i believe. Since then no problem but it winter like every two to three weeks i try to wash under the car and wheel area. Not sure if it help to stop the problem, but it salt free till next wash.

[Dave]

This is kinda concerning to read. Three people have had this same problem? Is there anything that can be done to prevent this problem from happening? Would that rust-proof undercoating help?

[onizuka]

actually, this happens to me for the second time now
seems to come back when winter starts to pound snow and when temperature is dropping
definitely a defect from Toyota. Only had my car for 3 years with 71k

[jesse1000]

this happened to me last year as well...only during the winter....it sucks, but as long as I know that the ABS doesn't work when the light is on, I'm okay, becasue I don't expect it to kick in....my car is long past warranty, so there's no way I'm paying money to fix it....I like driving without ABS in the winter anyway

[onizuka]

this should be something of safety concern and perhaps a recall should be made
when most of us upgrade to ABS package, we expect it to last and come to use
jesse, I can see that your car is 2007, how can you past your warranty this quick?

[uncleyaris]

I'm glad i didn't get ABS. Seems like a problem to come back after a while. BTY, how's the sway bar doing?

[voodoo22]

Is this a sedan problem as well or only a lb issue?

I have a sedan and am entering the second winter with it. I haven't had this issue yet and am wondering if any sedan owners are also having this problem?

[jesse1000]

this should be something of safety concern and perhaps a recall should be made
when most of us upgrade to ABS package, we expect it to last and come to use
jesse, I can see that your car is 2007, how can you past your warranty this quick?

Ya, it's a 2007...I didn't bother getting the extended warranty (it's a Toyota), and i was working as a co-op student about 90km from home for about 16 months....I have put on 110,000km so far

[Pars]

I put on 150,000km on my Hatchback in less then 2yrs. So I quickly blew through the warranty.

I spoke to the mechanic fixing my ABS, he told me that the sensors being used on the Yaris's ABS is the same as the Corolla and according to him, there wasn't any issue with Corolla's ABS. If that's true, I suspect it's the harness/connections that are getting corroded and causing the problem. But, since both ends are getting corroded, so the sensors is still suspect even if it's working.

Anyone with a 2008 model that's having the ABS problem?

[IllusionX]

Those connections should be water proof.. much like all other connections that are in the engine bay. But it's not a bad idea to grease them to avoid corrosion...

I got my sedan in 2006.. and have not had any problems with the car except the water pump bearing that gave up.

[ammes]

Does anyone know what the exclamation point symbol means? I just got my 08 Yaris Sedan on October 14th and this morning that exclamation point light was on an did not go off like usual. I found the light symbol in my manual, but no explanation on what the light is suppose to indicate. I am taking it to my dealer on Friday but I am curious to know what it is suppose to be telling me. Any help is gladly appreciated.:help::biggrin:

[voodoo22]

Does anyone know what the exclamation point symbol means? I just got my 08 Yaris Sedan on October 14th and this morning that exclamation point light was on an did not go off like usual. I found the light symbol in my manual, but no explanation on what the light is suppose to indicate. I am taking it to my dealer on Friday but I am curious to know what it is suppose to be telling me. Any help is gladly appreciated.:help::biggrin:

I'm guessing, but isn't it parking brake?

[GeneralDon7]

Yes thats the parking brake light, Does anyone know what would cause the ABS to come on sometimes, its really random, is this cause of that corroded connecor, and also does anyone know why the power steering light would come on, could it be low power steering fluid, cause it only comes on after i start steering. These lights have only started coming on after I just got my front two tires changed. Which I find quite fishy to begin with. :iono:

[IllusionX]

Does anyone know what the exclamation point symbol means? I just got my 08 Yaris Sedan on October 14th and this morning that exclamation point light was on an did not go off like usual. I found the light symbol in my manual, but no explanation on what the light is suppose to indicate. I am taking it to my dealer on Friday but I am curious to know what it is suppose to be telling me. Any help is gladly appreciated.:help::biggrin:


buddy, you are in the Canadian forum :P Some US models have tire pressure monitors.... this could be it.


Yes thats the parking brake light, Does anyone know what would cause the ABS to come on sometimes, its really random, is this cause of that corroded connecor, and also does anyone know why the power steering light would come on, could it be low power steering fluid, cause it only comes on after i start steering. These lights have only started coming on after I just got my front two tires changed. Which I find quite fishy to begin with. :iono:


the yaris does not have any powersteering fluid. It's solely powered by an electric motor. If the light does come on... it could be your motor is overheating or malfunctioning.

[onizuka]

just took my car to my dealer, last winter (jan 2008), I had my left rear sensor replaced. Now this winter, my right side are done. As usual, parts are backorders, have to wait for 1-2 weeks just like last time. Luckily my ECP extended warranty is paying for it.

To whomever doing their sensor, push them to do it both side. IF it's the same hardness and they are installed at the same time, it's the matter of time that both get corroded around the same time.

Just like your left shoe would get same wear and tear than your right shoe! I don't understand why didn't Toyota simply replace both side from beginning.

[IllusionX]

Yes thats the parking brake light, Does anyone know what would cause the ABS to come on sometimes, its really random, is this cause of that corroded connecor, and also does anyone know why the power steering light would come on, could it be low power steering fluid, cause it only comes on after i start steering. These lights have only started coming on after I just got my front two tires changed. Which I find quite fishy to begin with. :iono:

was it this one?

It is the one that looks like this:

http://www.carbuyersnotebook.com/tpms_display1.jpg

[kozm]

Same thing happened to me two days ago - both (!) and (ABS) lights were on. My wife went to the dealership, and they will replace the bloody thing once it has arrived. Her English is a tad weak, so she did not exactly remembered what the bloody thing was - but it looks like the same one from this thread...

Sedan/2007/37 K

[IllusionX]

BTW guys... my sedan has been undercoated by Toyota. my connections probably have been isolated from water and road salt. I also do yearly oil rust-proof, and they spray oil all over under the car.

onizuka, how about yours ?

[onizuka]

still pending for parts arrival

[Jem_hadar]

Last year I got the speed sensor problem fixed. Waited for parts for 2 weeks, and driven my car without ABS in snow for 2 weeks. And now a year later, the problem happens again after an afternoon of snowy driving.

I recall my dealer telling me how the speed sensor can easily be malfunction due to salt splash. Dammit, I hope it's on the other side, because I can't believe how the same parts fail twice in 2 years. I have to bring my car in on Monday.

My car is heading its 4th year, and I hope my warranty continues to cover this.
:mad:

THANK GOD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!!! (Sorry to hear abt u having the same issue too though, man)

Last Sunday this bloody issue happened AGAIN with my 2007 Yaris 5DR Manual Hatchback.

This is the SECOND time it has happened to me (YES, I'm annoyed! Sorry)

Happened earlier this year, last winter back in Feb 08.

Now, this winter, Dec 08, it had happened again (right after we got another massive dumping of snow)!

Luckily getting the replacement part in was no problem for my dealership. Took my car in (bc of the ABS and (!) warning lights showing), and after the apt they told me the issue (something abt the hub assembly ???? i dunno, was over my head...) and that i would have to come back the next day for the fix - getting the part the next day wasnt an issue up here.

I'm covered under warranty, but that expires this coming May 09. So since this has now happened TWICE in less than a year, I'm kinda concerned (and annoyed).

I asked out of curiosity what it would likely cost me to fix, just a general ballpark i said..... and was told around the $400! JESUS f*cking jehovah!


Anyways, so sum this up, I have a few questions to clear up.

If this goes on me again when I'm out of warranty, I dont wanna be shelling out money for something that is NON-ESSENTIAL to my car's operations (while im still making monthly pymts)

ie. If i dont need to fix it (if it wont cause further issues or complications for my car), i dont wanna fix it.

Can I just say "screw it" and save the $400+ and live w/o ABS and be fine? There'll be no detriment to my car, right? There's no danger of creating further problems for my Yaris in the future if i dont address this ABS failure?

As well, if the answer above is YES, and i chose to live w/o ABS (not huge big deal for me), is there a way they can flash (or whatever the term is) the car's computer so i dont have to live w/ the ABS and (!) lights being perpetually on!??

I would hate to have to deal with and see those lights on constantly if this was an issue i was gonna just ignore. Can turning them off (as it relates to this ABS failure issue) be done?

(obvi i would still want my (!) to be on when i have the parking brake up... i drive a manual. i am fond of that indicator. lol)


Thanks for the input ppl.

Glad to see im not the only Yaris owner w/ this bloody issue. UGH. Feel annoyed for us all though. this feels like an "annoying VW" issue as far as im concerned... :S


Jem

[Jem_hadar]

Make sure they change the harness with the sensor, and if you can see if you can watch. It was badly corroded. when he placed the new one he put contact cleaner on it and once installed put white grease on it also i believe. Since then no problem but it winter like every two to three weeks i try to wash under the car and wheel area.

Interesting input. Thanks for your thoughts and advice here man.

I'll keep this in mind, but i dont think ill be able to make enough fuss myself to get them to let me watch, unfortunately. wish i could.


This is kinda concerning to read. Three people have had this same problem? Is there anything that can be done to prevent this problem from happening? Would that rust-proof undercoating help?

VERY concerning to read. Reminds of old VW bullshit w/ their electrical systems that frustrated the fuck out of their owners!


actually, this happens to me for the second time now
seems to come back when winter starts to pound snow and when temperature is dropping
definitely a defect from Toyota. Only had my car for 3 years with 71k

Twice over here now. First Feb 08. Now again in Dec 08. Just for reference points, I dive an 2007 Yaris Hatchback. Bought it back in May 06.


it sucks, but as long as I know that the ABS doesn't work when the light is on, I'm okay, becasue I don't expect it to kick in....my car is long past warranty, so there's no way I'm paying money to fix it....I like driving without ABS in the winter anyway

Once my car goes out of warranty this coming May 09, if this ABS issue crap happens again next winter, ill just leave it too. Im not shelling out $400-500 to get the f'n ABS working again on my vehicle, not while im still making monthly payments anyways. I dont feel the need to have working ABS that badly. Once my car is paid off and im not shelling out money each month for it, ya, ill prolly pay then to fix it.


this should be something of safety concern and perhaps a recall should be made
when most of us upgrade to ABS package, we expect it to last and come to use
jesse, I can see that your car is 2007, how can you past your warranty this quick?

Agreed. Lets get a bloody recall on this issue so they can fix it (free of charge) and get it permanently dealt with properly.


just took my car to my dealer, last winter (jan 2008), I had my left rear sensor replaced. Now this winter, my right side are done. As usual, parts are backorders, have to wait for 1-2 weeks just like last time. Luckily my ECP extended warranty is paying for it.

To whomever doing their sensor, push them to do it both side. IF it's the same hardness and they are installed at the same time, it's the matter of time that both get corroded around the same time.



I didnt ask and they didnt tell me specifically which sensor went.

And all i know from last time, per my notes which i reviewed, was that "Need an ABS speed sensor for back breaks."

So it had to do w/ my back sensors, but dont know if it was both L and R or just one or the other.

Huh.



Anyways, GREAT THREAD, so glad to have found it!

Jem

[onizuka]

Thank you for your input.

I wonder if we could start a survey/petition for a recall. If enough people getting the same problem, they should not hide this and make it an official recall.

JEM: your service invoice should indicate which side of sensor they replaced. Have a close look on that.

Interesting input. Thanks for your thoughts and advice here man.

I'll keep this in mind, but i dont think ill be able to make enough fuss myself to get them to let me watch, unfortunately. wish i could.




VERY concerning to read. Reminds of old VW bullshit w/ their electrical systems that frustrated the fuck out of their owners!




Twice over here now. First Feb 08. Now again in Dec 08. Just for reference points, I dive an 2007 Yaris Hatchback. Bought it back in May 06.




Once my car goes out of warranty this coming May 09, if this ABS issue crap happens again next winter, ill just leave it too. Im not shelling out $400-500 to get the f'n ABS working again on my vehicle, not while im still making monthly payments anyways. I dont feel the need to have working ABS that badly. Once my car is paid off and im not shelling out money each month for it, ya, ill prolly pay then to fix it.




Agreed. Lets get a bloody recall on this issue so they can fix it (free of charge) and get it permanently dealt with properly.




I didnt ask and they didnt tell me specifically which sensor went.

And all i know from last time, per my notes which i reviewed, was that "Need an ABS speed sensor for back breaks."

So it had to do w/ my back sensors, but dont know if it was both L and R or just one or the other.

Huh.



Anyways, GREAT THREAD, so glad to have found it!

Jem

[Jem_hadar]

Thank you for your input.
JEM: your service invoice should indicate which side of sensor they replaced. Have a close look on that.

Ill hafta look to see if i can find the invoice still (that could be a challenge, lol).

should have it around somewhere. i keep them of course. just have no idea where it ended up almost a year ago.

[jgag123]

Thank you for your input.

I wonder if we could start a survey/petition for a recall. If enough people getting the same problem, they should not hide this and make it an official recall.

JEM: your service invoice should indicate which side of sensor they replaced. Have a close look on that.

I agree, it should be big time recall, or we have to replace does stupid sensors every winter.

[voodoo22]

Is anyone with a sedan having this problem?

I haven't had this problem on our sedan yet, and so far, it looks like everyone having issues owns hatches.

[WeeYari]

Is anyone with a sedan having this problem?

I haven't had this problem on our sedan yet, and so far, it looks like everyone having issues owns hatches.

Post #24 is a sedan.

[IllusionX]

i would like to know if, of all those who had the problem, had the car rust proofed, or had undercoat done.

[Dave]

i would like to know if, of all those who had the problem, had the car rust proofed, or had undercoat done.

Agreed. I was going to have mine coated anyway, since I've had issues in the past with stuff rusting/seizing in other (*cough*GM*cough*) cars. This problem seems to give me a whole new level of motivation... If there's any preventative action that can be taken to stop this failure, everyone should be aware of it.


Edit.
Though that doesn't remove Toyota's responsibility to fix what sounds like a design/manufacturing flaw.

[voodoo22]

Post #24 is a sedan.

Thanks WeeYari

[voodoo22]

Though that doesn't remove Toyota's responsibility to fix what sounds like a design/manufacturing flaw.

Exactly, you shouldn't have to pay extra for a service to cover up a flaw in their product.

[Jem_hadar]

i would like to know if, of all those who had the problem, had the car rust proofed, or had undercoat done.

I didnt specificially ask to have my car rust proofed or have an undercoat applied.

So, if such things are not done standardly when you purchase a car from Toyota, then I'd guess mine never had either done.

[Jem_hadar]

(EDITED post after checking car over lunch)

I just noticed today as I was getting out of my car at work, that I didnt recall seeing either the red (!) or the yellow ABS warning lights still being on...

Checked at lunch - yup, both are no longer on! (WTF?) And was able to activate my ABS too with some quick braking in water puddles.

So what does that mean now? Everything was magically fixed? All of sudden my ABS is working and the indicator lights are gone...

Does this mean there's still an issue, even though my ABS is now working again (at least temporarily?)


Well, brought my car into the dealership anyways for my apt. Didnt tell them that the warning lights had gone off -- im sure they'd just tell me to not worry abt it then and take my car back to them if and when they came back on again. I'm just going to let them put in the new part(s) they ordered.

(As an aside, and I have NO IDEA if its relevant at all, or of any importance, but I'll mention it anyways. Today, the day I noticed that my ABS light is no longer showing, also happens to be quite warm... its like +9 oC out (instead of -10 oC like the way its been)... snow is melting all over the place and roads are very wet, all kinds of puddles all over the place. Could water splashing all up into the ABS area have somehow caused my problem to (temporarily?) go away?? So confused by it all…)

Jem

[Pars]

yep. cold weather seems to effect it. Rest assure, it'll come back. Let the dealership know, they should still be able to call up the error code. If you're still under warranty, I wouldn't wait.

[Jem_hadar]

Interesting, so you think it's more likely the warm weather instead of any water that prolly caused this problem to temporarily go away?

And ya, car is in the shop right now for this to deal w/ this issue. I'm still under warranty, so im def getting it fixed.

Thanks for input.

[Jem_hadar]

OK. Just back from picking up my yaris. Spoke to the service guy briefly abt the matter.

He told me it was the right rear ABS sensor that went this time (Dec 08). It was the left rear ABS sensor that went last time (Feb 08).

I asked him if he knew why, if the mechanics had said? He didn't know why. Told me they just read the error/problem code and the computer said that to correct the issue they needed to replace the right rear sensor, so thats what they did.

I also asked him if this happens again when im out of warranty, and i just decide to live w/o ABS breaks, can they shutoff the indicator lights that are telling me that the ABS sensors are malfunctioning? (ie. turn off the perpetual (!) and ABS lights as they relate to warning me abt this problem.)

He said they couldnt turn them off, that I would have to fix the issue to have them go away. Can anyone on here comment to the truth of this? Is this really the case? Would I just have to live w/ seeing the ABS and (!) always on?


Oh, almost forgot. Also told him abt how the warning lights disappeared today and that i had my ABS functioning once again…

He told me many things often affect these sensors, temperature being one. So it was likely just this warming up today that caused the sensor to temporarily start functioning again.

Well, thats it. There's my update on the matter.

Jem

[Pars]

I'd also get them to check the ABS wires/harness to make sure they don't have any rust on them. Or at least ask them about it....who knows, u might get an honest answer.


I asked the same question (3 times). Two of the mechanics gave me the same answer. ABS can't be shot off.

[voodoo22]

Thanks for all the information about your experience.

In my mind this isn't part of routine maintenance and is a defect Toyota should fix for free on all cars. Seems to common of a problem.

[kozm]

I just noticed today as I was getting out of my car at work, that I didnt recall seeing either the red (!) or the yellow ABS warning lights still being on...

Checked at lunch - yup, both are no longer on! (WTF?) And was able to activate my ABS too with some quick braking in water puddles.

So what does that mean now? Everything was magically fixed? All of sudden my ABS is working and the indicator lights are gone...



Same here. On and off while we're still waiting for the part to arrive. No pattern that I am able to figure out (ie, weather, snow, etc.)

[talapus]

I have this same issue now, anyone have any info on TSB-0120-08 ? This may address the problem?

[dadi_oh]

This is happening on my 06 RS Hatchback. First came on last week for half a day during a snowstorm but cleared itself later in the day. Then came on yesterday (also during a snow storm) but has lasted for about 24 hours now (and counting).

I spoke to my local service department and asked if they were seeing a lot of these. He said they had seen a few. He also made some odd comment about how it could happen if you got stuck and ended up spinning the front wheels. ???? :iono: Doesn't make any sense to me. I asked if he could comment on the "few" that he has seen if it is corroded harnesses or defective sensors and he was :iono: Not terribly helpful.

Seems to me Toyota has a harness/sensor problem that is going to be safety related so I am going to wait for the recall to kick in. I have 72K on my car so it is out of warranty so no way am I paying for $400 for them to put the same defective design parts back on the car.

I'll see if it self clears this second time after the snow clears up and all the snow turds fall out of my wheel wells.

Hopefully Toyota is forced into a recall sooner rather than later. Out of curiousity how do the regulating agencies find out about safety defects to force a recall? Do they rely on customers reporting the issues? If so, where do you do it?

[IllusionX]

toyota rarely do recalls. When they are aware of the problems, they come out with a technical service bulletin.

the last RECALL i remember was for the 2000-2004 echos had problems with rust on the floor. Everything else were TBS.

[onizuka]

Finally my parts arrived today. I got mine fixed for 2nd time within same year. All covered by my extended warranty. I got over 72k on it. Good luck hoping for a recall. ABS helps in wet situation, but it's not a safety concern. Many cars are sold without ABS.

[IllusionX]

insurance might not cover if your car's ABS is not working properly, or not at all.

[Jem_hadar]

^^ yikes if thats the case (which is shouldnt be, IMO, since many, many cars are sold w/o ABS)

[IllusionX]

it's not the fact that they are sold without, but the fact that you have them DISABLED.

[devinlamothe]

Anyone have any more information regarding this? This just started happening to me on a short drive today after feeling a weird sensation when I applied the brakes. I don't really want to pay $400+ to fix this since I just had to pay over $700 for a new bumper. :(

Edit: On the way home after posting, the lights are gone. Could it just be the temerature? This morning it was +9 out and now it's back down to -10. Plus there was tons of melting going on which led to a lot of puddles. :shrug: I may take it into the dealer anyhow.

[jgag123]

Same problem with abs.

My warranty is over on my '07yaris sedan because have near 100K in it and I am screwed because of that.

I think we all should complane about this then it may make a different.

I have sent an e-mail to toyota and this is there respond:


> From: toyota_feedback@toyota.ca
> Subject: RE: ABS deffective
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:24:00 -0500
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> Dear Mr. G,
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> Thank you for your recent correspondence.
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> We have received your e-mail, and are sorry that you have encountered some problems with your 2007 Yaris.
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> Please be assured that we certainly do not like to see our customers experience the frustration and inconvenience that is associated with unexpected repairs. It is the desire of Toyota Canada Inc. to provide sound, durable and reliable vehicles which will require a minimum of service and not only meet, but exceed our customers' expectations. Unfortunately, there remain instances, such as you have encountered, where difficulties will arise.
>
> Toyota Canada Inc. has a very comprehensive warranty that will cover the costs of repairing your vehicle when a difficulty arises as the result of a manufacturing defect experienced within the parameters of the warranty. Our commitment to you is to repair your vehicle according to the terms of the Toyota's new vehicle warranty. Your New Vehicle Warranty covers your vehicle for 36 months (from the warranty registration date) or 60,000 kilometers, whichever occurs first. In addition, we would like to explain that there are currently no outstanding campaigns on your vehicle.
>
> As you can appreciate, we are unable to provide a diagnosis of your vehicle through this medium of correspondence. We rely on Toyota dealerships to diagnose and repair vehicles on our behalf. As such, we kindly suggest contacting the Service Manager at your Toyota dealership directly to further discuss this issue.
>
> Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Nikki Cornell
> Customer Interaction Centre
> Toyota Canada Inc.

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> Hi!
> I have a 2007 Yaris sedan. After the first winter days my ABS and
> emergency brake warning light came and stayed on and the ABS is not
> functioning at all. My Question is; is it normal that safety features like
> ABS quit working after a year of use.
> I was wondering if there is a recall for this, since many people have the
> same problem acquiring one winter after the other.
> Other vise I was very happy with the car until now.
> From Mazda and from Honda switched to Toyota and like to stay with it. Of
> course it will all depend of the customer care.
> Toyota should keep its good reputation (as #1 car manufacturer) by fixing
> safety related problems like this, no extra charge since it looks like a
> manufacturing defect.
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> Thank you
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> Sincerely
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> John G.

[onizuka]

nice template reply from Toyota

[voodoo22]

There is no doubt in my mind that this is a design flaw by Toyota. We haven't had this problem yet and this is our second winter.

If we were having this problem too I would definitely join in with you guys.

I think you should gather information from everyone having this issue and going to Toyota as a group. It seems like everyone having this problem lives in a climate which gets cold at least part of the year, you should show this to Toyota and show them how the wiring for the ABS doesn't appear to be designed properly to protect the system from corrosion in this kind of environment.

I wonder how many people who have this problem park outside vs in a garage? I wonder if that makes any difference...

[devinlamothe]

There is no doubt in my mind that this is a design flaw by Toyota. We haven't had this problem yet and this is our second winter.

If we were having this problem too I would definitely join in with you guys.

I think you should gather information from everyone having this issue and going to Toyota as a group. It seems like everyone having this problem lives in a climate which gets cold at least part of the year, you should show this to Toyota and show them how the wiring for the ABS doesn't appear to be designed properly to protect the system from corrosion in this kind of environment.

I wonder how many people who have this problem park outside vs in a garage? I wonder if that makes any difference...

This is my third winter with this car so your time may yet come lol (I hope it doesn't but ...)

[voodoo22]

This is my third winter with this car so your time may yet come lol (I hope it doesn't but ...)

I feel that clock ticking..:eyebulge:

[Pars]

Wow, another one. Hopefully Toyoto isn't as dismissive when the warranty expires on my RAV4. When Honda built their parts (as per my 98 Civic), they definitely didn't engineer it to break down immediately after the warranty expired. I put on over 300,000km of extremely brutal driving on my 98 Civic Hatch, with absolutely no problems/defects (everything under the hood was still original except for timing belt, spark plugs, air/oil filters). There was a situation at 220,000km when my ignition switch wasn't working properly, but Honda had a TSB on it and it was covered.

I can only assume Toyota prioritize those who buy every 5 years and the poor saps who want a trouble free car for 10years are SOL. In which case, when I'm shopping for my next car, I'll be prioritizing Honda... Honda seems to have a good system in place to clean-up/fix on going issues. Also, they seem to take the Canadian market more seriously. Granted, the Yaris is an awsome little car, but It would be nice if Toyota took it more seriously.

Now that the new 09 Fit is out and Toyota has totally neglected the Yaris (other then put on bigger tires), It's not a good time to give up ground in the compact segment.

On a tangent.... I find it interesting that my extended warranty for my 30k RAV4 is identical (cost the same) as the extended warranty for a 15k Yaris.

[onizuka]

Wow, another one. Hopefully Toyoto isn't as dismissive when the warranty expires on my RAV4. When Honda built their parts (as per my 98 Civic), they definitely didn't engineer it to break down immediately after the warranty expired. I put on over 300,000km of extremely brutal driving on my 98 Civic Hatch, with absolutely no problems/defects (everything under the hood was still original except for timing belt, spark plugs, air/oil filters). There was a situation at 220,000km when my ignition switch wasn't working properly, but Honda had a TSB on it and it was covered.

I can only assume Toyota prioritize those who buy every 5 years and the poor saps who want a trouble free car for 10years are SOL. In which case, when I'm shopping for my next car, I'll be prioritizing Honda... Honda seems to have a good system in place to clean-up/fix on going issues. Also, they seem to take the Canadian market more seriously. Granted, the Yaris is an awsome little car, but It would be nice if Toyota took it more seriously.

Now that the new 09 Fit is out and Toyota has totally neglected the Yaris (other then put on bigger tires), It's not a good time to give up ground in the compact segment.

On a tangent.... I find it interesting that my extended warranty for my 30k RAV4 is identical (cost the same) as the extended warranty for a 15k Yaris.

Not to bash any Toyota, I'm sure there are many supporters of Toyota in this forums. But coming from a Honda Accord before my Yaris, I put up 170k without any issue at all. Other than a O2 sensor failing on me at 130k, the maintenance is the only thing I have to worry about. This is my first Toyota, and maybe my last. Do I have to buy a Lexus in order to get the old time Toyota quality control? 2 things that bother me, this on-going speed sensor issue, and weakest paint job of it all. Look at your front hood, you would all agree that it get stone chiped a thousand times already.

[steved]

My ABS and Brake light came on yesterday night. Toyota really needs to get their act together on this problem.


Update: I have an appointment with the dealer later this evening.

[donairs]

Mine came on this morning. It's been salty and cold, but I've never had this problem before. I called the dealership today and they said they haven't been having any repairs for this issue. Well it seems they are about to start. The service person also told me not to worry.

Update. While driving at lunch today the lights disapearred. I'll be taking this to the dealer ASAP.

[Jem_hadar]

Well -- just try and GUESS what fucking two warning lights just came on AGAIN in my Yaris today!?!?!

Yup -- you guessed it -- the bloody (!) and ABS ones!

I'm more than a little annoyed at experiencing this issue AGAIN, now for the THIRD time, especially after having recently having just been through it as early as ONE MONTH ago in December!

F*CK! Very annoyed this morning now.

Wunderbar.

[Jem_hadar]

^^ OK. So dropped by car in at lunch for them to disagnose.

And just got the call back saying they need to replace the wiring harness this time (so its NOT a sensor this time around).

Part will be in beg of next week.

[Jem_hadar]

Follow up comment:

So when I was talking to the parts guy afterwards, he mentioned that there are 161 wiring harnesses on backorder!

Jesus.

Looks like there are many with similar troubles as us (not just the ones posting in here)



I wonder if the US Yaris Hatchbacks/sedans are having the same kind of trouble as we Canadians are w/ this ABS sensor BS??


Jem

[jambo101]

actually you are better of without ABS in winter..on any car.

Big +1 on that! seems on ice i can modulate a locked up wheel a lot better than a wheel that never stops turning.

[Pars]

Jem Hadar, I had the exact same experience. Had to back 4 times until they finally got it fixed. On the third visit, I was told to wait for a new harness and I finally got it fixed on the 4th visit (total cost was $750 for all 4 visit).

If anyone else if having this problem, it would be a good idea to have them check the harness first and get them to put it into writing if they say it's ok.

[onizuka]

Big +1 on that! seems on ice i can modulate a locked up wheel a lot better than a wheel that never stops turning.

Not having ABS can be subjectively better on performance but it's not a reason to lose it due to a malfunction. Afterall, some ppl paid extra to have ABS package in. And failing right after your warranty expiration makes total non-sense. Just like you don't want to say: "it's ok to have my A/C constantly breaking down, without A/C, I can get better fuel mileage". :iono:

[jambo101]

I was only talking about the controllability of stopping on ice,for all other applications ABS works fine..

[Maddman]

Both the parking brake and the ABS light came on this weekend. Took it to the dealer today. They just called and told me that it's the driver rear speed sensor that has malfunctioned. The part is on back order so I have to drive around with no ABS until they get the part.

[Bobby B]

My wife's ABS and ! light came on and she the called the dealer on the day of warranty expiry...
ABS sensor - surprise!
I am hoping Toyota will cover it under warranty, less than 20k km and it WAS undercoated.
This definitely seems to be an issue here...

[devinlamothe]

Here's a funny story. My "!" and ABS lights disappeared, but this should have been stored as a trouble code in my cars computer.

I brought my car in for a maintenance the other day, I asked if they check trouble codes they said yes - well after I got my car back they said there were no codes showing? WTF. I never told them these lights went on until after the service. When I told the guy he looked surprised.

So I'm not sure what is going on here. What I do know is it has been a few weeks since this happened, and I've also been on the highway (about 800km trip) since this happened and the lights haven't shown up again.

Hopefully I got lucky because there is no way I am paying for this obvious defect.

[Maddman]

Mine went turned off 2 days ago. Still waiting for the part(s) to come in. I think that it happens when it's really cold out. We've had a huge cold snap last week and now it's not as cold the sensor is working again. I'm still going to get it fixed though

[salmonz]

So this morning my ABS and ! light went off too.

Brought the car to the dealership almost immediately. They scanned the car and the right rear ABS sensor is corroded and has to be replaced.

My car is a 2007 Toyota Yaris, 57000km. It's been really cold and slushy lately.

I asked the dealership to check the left one and they said they have to charge me $59. I gave them $1it, saying I won't wait for a computer to tell me something needs to be replaced when the tech can just look at it. My warranty is almost done and I'm not going to be on the hook for something that is defective from the beginning. They agreed to check the left one free of charge. They came back and the tech said it looked fine. They also said 1 out of 31 they've seen lately is on the left. I told them fine, just replace the right one. When the left one goes, I'll tell them about today and hold them to it that it should have been covered under warranty. I'm not paying $500 for something that should have been dealt with and fixed by Toyota.

They can't repair it today as 31 right rear sensors are on backorder. "31"!!!
There's definitely a problem with the Toyota Yaris's out there. There should be a recall for both left and right rear sensors.

[Dave]

This is nuts. Is there a Canadian equivalent to the NHTSA where these issues can be formally registered? Can we write to the Office of Consumer Affairs?

[onizuka]

The reason we won't get a recall is that the volume in Canada is so slim for Toyota to consider a recall. Also it only happens when and where it's cold, that's why you only hear it from us, the canadians. You don't see any americans from So-Cal complaining about that problem.

[Dave]

Maybe one of the affected posters could write in to the Toronto Star's Wheels section for advice on how to get Toyota moving on this issue.

This is clearly not an isolated incident, and seems to be popping up as people's warranties are about to expire. Attention from a newspaper may add a little more publicity to the issue, and motivate Toyota to come up with a solution for all Yaris owners. At the very least, they (Wheels columnists) may give some advice on who to talk to without getting a boilerplate email response or a brush-off at a dealership.

Website is www.wheels.ca. Check the "Columns & Advice" section for previous Q&A's, and the email address for writing in. I'm pretty sure it's just wheels (a t) thestar.ca. Applicable column is probably "Your Beef".

I'd do it myself, but my car's been fine so far *fingers crossed*.

[devinlamothe]

Maybe one of the affected posters could write in to the Toronto Star's Wheels section for advice on how to get Toyota moving on this issue.

This is clearly not an isolated incident, and seems to be popping up as people's warranties are about to expire. Attention from a newspaper may add a little more publicity to the issue, and motivate Toyota to come up with a solution for all Yaris owners. At the very least, they (Wheels columnists) may give some advice on who to talk to without getting a boilerplate email response or a brush-off at a dealership.

Website is www.wheels.ca. Check the "Columns & Advice" section for previous Q&A's, and the email address for writing in. I'm pretty sure it's just wheels (a t) thestar.ca. Applicable column is probably "Your Beef".

I'd do it myself, but my car's been fine so far *fingers crossed*.

I just sent something in and linked this thread as an example. Unfortunately for me, my "!" and ABS lights went on again after it got warmer out, and the roads were rather slushy. It went away again when it got colder (doesn't make sense).

This is absolutely ridiculous on Toyota's part. My confidence in them is slowly starting to diminish.

[EDMR2]

If you don't want to fix it , can the code be erase so both of the lights comes off

[Former_Neon]

I started up my Yaris on Tuesday and the ABS and (!) lights were on. I took it to useless Whitby Toyota and, as usual, was treated with disdain. They told me they have to order the speed sensor part and they "don't know" when it'll be in.
To hell with them, I'm taking my business to a different Toyota.

By the way...is this the Toyota quality I've heard so much about? Just over a year of ownership and now this.

[voodoo22]

My father works for Toyota in the west and said they are not seeing these issues at his dealership. I am wondering if whether the salt they use in Ontario is causing this problem on an obviously defective setup?

[Pars]

If you don't want to fix it , can the code be erase so both of the lights comes off

Nope. I asked the mechanic the same question, he said that he could turn off the abs light, but once I re-start the car, it'll do a start-up check and the lights would come back on.

I suppose opening up the dash and disconnecting the bulb would work. If anyone got pic on opening up the dash?

[Bobby B]

So this morning my ABS and ! light went off too.

Brought the car to the dealership almost immediately. They scanned the car and the right rear ABS sensor is corroded and has to be replaced.

My car is a 2007 Toyota Yaris, 57000km. It's been really cold and slushy lately.

I asked the dealership to check the left one and they said they have to charge me $59. I gave them $1it, saying I won't wait for a computer to tell me something needs to be replaced when the tech can just look at it. My warranty is almost done and I'm not going to be on the hook for something that is defective from the beginning. They agreed to check the left one free of charge. They came back and the tech said it looked fine. They also said 1 out of 31 they've seen lately is on the left. I told them fine, just replace the right one. When the left one goes, I'll tell them about today and hold them to it that it should have been covered under warranty. I'm not paying $500 for something that should have been dealt with and fixed by Toyota.

They can't repair it today as 31 right rear sensors are on backorder. "31"!!!
There's definitely a problem with the Toyota Yaris's out there. There should be a recall for both left and right rear sensors.

Interesting...
My dealer said it's "ALWAYS" the Left rear...
My wife's lights went on again and off again this week...

[Former_Neon]

Interesting...
My dealer said it's "ALWAYS" the Left rear...
My wife's lights went on again and off again this week...

Mine is the right rear also. It'll take 2 to 3 weeks for them to get the part in. What a crock! Can anyone explain why it would take a dealership so long to get a part in for a car they still sell? It's not like they have to get a factory to start manufacturing it.

[Bobby B]

Mine is the right rear also. It'll take 2 to 3 weeks for them to get the part in. What a crock! Can anyone explain why it would take a dealership so long to get a part in for a car they still sell? It's not like they have to get a factory to start manufacturing it.

I got an ETA of middle of February.
I suspect the reason for the delay is they have an issue and the parts are now back ordered to Japan, hopefully with a fix.
I hear Toyota is instructing the dealers to try and clean them.

[Pars]

I got an ETA of middle of February.
I suspect the reason for the delay is they have an issue and the parts are now back ordered to Japan, hopefully with a fix.
I hear Toyota is instructing the dealers to try and clean them.

The senior mechanic over at Toyota on Front spent 2 hrs trying to fix mine before they gave-up and put in an order for a new wiring harness. I doubt trying to fix it will work. It'll probably eat up a lot of the mechanic's time with very little result.

With all shit I caused about this issue last year, I'm surprised it's taking this long for anything constructive to happen.

[voodoo22]

With all shit I caused about this issue last year, I'm surprised it's taking this long for anything constructive to happen.

For something constructive to happen, someone has to put in more than the bare minimum effort..... that's not a popular thing anymore.

[steved]

I haven't been able to come to the forum often, but I posted two weeks ago that my lights came on. When I went to the dealer they said it was the rear left speed sensor and wire harness that has to be changed.

2 weeks later still waiting for the parts, When I called they said there are a lot of people waiting for the same part.

Toyota should make a recall on this to change all sensors and harness.

[Former_Neon]

When I asked the service advisor if he had a lot of customers complaining about this he said no (probably lied). I told him that plenty of people were complaining online about it and his first response was, "Oh, is it an American site?" What the hell does that have to do with anything? It's unreal the way Canadian retailers, etc deal with their customers. It's never the fault of the manufacturer/retailer and always the fault of the customer somehow.
I hope this recession sure changes the attitudes of those who deal with the public.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

I haven't been able to come to the forum often, but I posted two weeks ago that my lights came on. When I went to the dealer they said it was the rear left speed sensor and wire harness that has to be changed.

2 weeks later still waiting for the parts, When I called they said there are a lot of people waiting for the same part.

Toyota should make a recall on this to change all sensors and harness.

its not a recall yet but it is a TSB. parts are on back order and have been since november of last year.....

[uncleyaris]

I'm so happy I don't have ABS, but wish those who do Best of luck!!!!!!!!!!!1

[devinlamothe]

If they can recall the seatbelt issue (where apparently NO ONE has been affected in North America yet) they should be recalling these sensors/wiring harnesses. Serious, WTF Toyota??

[voodoo22]

Toyota is an extremely cheap company. They have a good product, but for some reason they have been able to convince their followers in NA they they care about them and their safety. They are no different than any other company and they will not do a recall unless they are forced to do so. If they can save a couple bucks and a few people die in the process (a la Ford Pinto), they will do it.

Toyota has over 50% of the market share in Japan, but even the Japanese consider Toyota to be one of the cheapest companies and it's a case of buying a Toyota; not because you like the company; but because their products have been reliable.

[Pars]

When you're #1, all eyes are focused on you and it becomes critical that you set a good example. Being cheap is not setting a good example, especially during hard times when all the other manufacture are suffering and are willing to run at a lost to produce the best product... News flash, We're in the mist of a world war and it's no longer about making profits. It's a about survival.

I think Honda has the best defensive position, but Toyota has the most resources at their disposal and the American boys have some tricks up their sleeve and don't need to play fairly.

[voodoo22]

When you're #1, all eyes are focused on you and it becomes critical that you set a good example. Being cheap is not setting a good example, especially during hard times when all the other manufacture are suffering and are willing to run at a lost to produce the best product... News flash, We're in the mist of a world war and it's no longer about making profits. It's a about survival.

I think Honda has the best defensive position, but Toyota has the most resources at their disposal and the American boys have some tricks up their sleeve and don't need to play fairly.

I read an article a couple of days ago which said Toyota was low on funds. While I find that hard to believe, if that is true because Honda is in a better position, there could be a large market shift coming soon.

[zghansar]

I found my 2007 Yaris sedan lights (ABS and (!)) "ON" today morning and ABS is not kicking in. Im in Mississauga and it has snowed since yesterday. I am going to wait for a day and see if the lights go away, may be I will get a car wash done.

For the people who had the lights "ON" and then went OFF, does it come back ON?

Also how do I know if I am under warranty? I bought the 2007 Yaris sedan in November 07 and it has done 43,000 kilometres till date.

[WeeYari]

Also how do I know if I am under warranty? I bought the 2007 Yaris sedan in November 07 and it has done 43,000 kilometres till date.

3yr/60,000km

[Maddman]

My Yaris lights come on and then turn off. Sometimes it's each time I start the car, other times it a couple of days. They turn on when it's really cold outside.

(still waiting for the parts to come in)

[kozm]

For the people who had the lights "ON" and then went OFF, does it come back ON?

Also how do I know if I am under warranty? I bought the 2007 Yaris sedan in November 07 and it has done 43,000 kilometres till date.

Yes it does.

It is 60k km or 3 years, whichever comes first. A good source is...hmmm...toyota.ca? :)

[zghansar]

Update: so I went into Dixie Toyota and was happy to know that my car is still under warranty. They took a couple of hours to do checks and then told me that my rear right censor is busted and they ordered the part and it is on back order and will be a while before I will be called in for repair.

[devinlamothe]

I found my 2007 Yaris sedan lights (ABS and (!)) "ON" today morning and ABS is not kicking in. Im in Mississauga and it has snowed since yesterday. I am going to wait for a day and see if the lights go away, may be I will get a car wash done.

For the people who had the lights "ON" and then went OFF, does it come back ON?

Also how do I know if I am under warranty? I bought the 2007 Yaris sedan in November 07 and it has done 43,000 kilometres till date.

Mine has come off and on twice, but hasn't since. It's getting warmer out so we'll see if it happens again.

[Jem_hadar]

^^ OK. So dropped by car in at lunch for them to disagnose.

And just got the call back saying they need to replace the wiring harness this time (so its NOT a sensor this time around).

Part will be in beg of next week.

See followup post... ^^ that was posted around the 9th of Jan.

Abt a 5 days later, the ABS and (!) lights magically went off and I had the use of my ABS again.

.. Oh, and the part is STILL on backorder. Jesus.

(not that im frustrated at the length of time its taking, esp since the warning lights have disappeared now again, but im just simply shocked at how long its taking...)

Jem

[Jem_hadar]

If you don't want to fix it , can the code be erase so both of the lights comes off

I was told this is impossible by my tech. That the they simply cant permanently disable the warning lights while this malfunction is still an issue. That they will show up again every time u start the car.

[EBoOGie]

my "ABS" and "Brake" light is on my 07 sedan. ABS is not suppose to be workin when it on correct? A few times when im drivin, and come to a stop, the ABS seems to be working for no reason. ( the abs noise, sounds mechanically clicky. pedals feel soft and spongee, ONLY sometimes this happens.) Conditions were dry, no ice, no water so i was not skiddin when i heard the abs noise kick on. is this the same thing everyone is experiencing?
are you experiencing-
- the abs and brake lights as well as noise?
-or only abs and brakes lights on only?
im confuse

[Maddman]

i've been getting both conditions that you're getting eboogie. since it's been determined to be a faulty speed sensor, i'm going to assume that sometimes the system is going to work when ever the sensor feels like it. the lights are on cause the sensor threw a code to the ECU. it doesn't mean that the system it completly inactive (i guess). hope that clears some confusion.

i'm still waiting for the part to come it. it's been over a month of waiting now. now i'm probably going to have to go back a second time for the seat belt recall. i hope that they can do it all at once.

[Pars]

my "ABS" and "Brake" light is on my 07 sedan. ABS is not suppose to be workin when it on correct? A few times when im drivin, and come to a stop, the ABS seems to be working for no reason. ( the abs noise, sounds mechanically clicky. pedals feel soft and spongee, ONLY sometimes this happens.) Conditions were dry, no ice, no water so i was not skiddin when i heard the abs noise kick on. is this the same thing everyone is experiencing?
are you experiencing-
- the abs and brake lights as well as noise?
-or only abs and brakes lights on only?
im confuse

I also had similar symptoms, the ABS was out of wack and activated for no reason, but this only happened when the ABS light was off. Immidately after the ABS acted-up, the warning light would once again come back on and ABS would be deactivated, which was preferable to the abs pulsing away for no reason.

[Former_Neon]

Well, I'm still waiting for the speed sensor and wiring harness to come in. My ABS is working again though. The lights have turned off on the instrument panel and all is normal for the time being.
As if Toyota could give a damn.

[EBoOGie]

i had the car checked out today, I mad an appt monday for today. the light of course went away two days ago. but they didnt figure anything out, i have my rotors turned, and rear drum adjusted, and the recall done. we will see if abs acts up. good luck guys

[Former_Neon]

Well, I'm still waiting for that speed sensor and wiring harness to come in. I did get a call from the local Toyota dealership today, however, about an outstanding recall on my Yaris concerning a seat belt bezel. Anyone know anything about this one?

[WeeYari]

Well, I'm still waiting for that speed sensor and wiring harness to come in. I did get a call from the local Toyota dealership today, however, about an outstanding recall on my Yaris concerning a seat belt bezel. Anyone know anything about this one?

There are links all over the place on this recall

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13819&highlight=recall
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13711&highlight=recall
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13645&highlight=recall
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13324&highlight=recall
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13280&highlight=recall
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13330&highlight=recall

plus a few more. SEARCH is your friend.

[devinlamothe]

So my "!" and ABS lights came on today for about 1 min, then turned back off.

WTF.

I'm getting sick of these sensors.

[Former_Neon]

There are links all over the place on this recall


plus a few more. SEARCH is your friend.

I just asked for information on it. I didn't ask for the attitude to go with it.

[Jem_hadar]

I just asked for information on it. I didn't ask for the attitude to go with it.


LOL!! OMG! Hahaha

[Cedrica]

Add me to the list. Took it in yesterday, it was just the abs light, they said there was dirt, cleaned it out and charged me $60. Was fine on the drive home. It snowed about 10 cm last night and this morning, on the way to work, not only was the abs light back on but the (!) was as well. So, I called them again and dropped it off.

They told me yesterday it was the front right wheel and they cleaned it, today was the back right wheel. They can't seem to find anything wrong and assume it's a sensor. I told them I googled it and it seems to be a common problem and the guy told me that he hadn't seen it before and today they had another including mine. Hmmmm....

He told me to fix the back wheel would be about $500. However, I'm not convinced from reading this fab thread that they even know how to properly diagnose the problem let alone fix it.

I intend to lodge a complaint somewhere and hope that there is a recall. I'm past the warranty and I have no intention of doling out hundreds and hundreds of dollars to fix a problem they don't even understand.

[YANGSTER]

Happened to me too....."the combo" came on about a month ago, took to the dealer in town. $100+ later, they told me it needs a new speed sensor and bearing assembly...cuz they came as in one part...and they want $800 for that:eek:. I told them to hold the part while I voice my concerns with Toyota Canada.

3 weeks ago, the battery warning lights came on after I came back from my 2 week trip. Took to another dealership, wanted $700 for the alternator (which came back about 1 week ago:bow:). This is after I complained to TCI, they agreed to pay approximately 50% of the total cost to fix those two problems.

Now I'm thinking this should definitely be a recall issue for TCI, the problem is that we need to get our voice heard. I'm thinking we should start calling one particular customer service rep/investigator at TCI (the one who helped me to get the 50% discount/cost).....I'm sure after our "numerous" complains, at least this particular rep will voice our or her concerns to the management to take a better look. I will send the extension to everyone who PM me on this issue. Or we could organize a meet at TCI and invite the media :headbang:

[punch]

wow, i came to this forum today looking for this very issue, my dash warning lights lit up a few weeks ago, and 12 hrs later went off, i presumed it was cold brake fluid, or the heavy snow/slush i drove through that day...

so add me to the victim list,, and I'm driving a 2007 sedan

[Cedrica]

I informed the service guys and my dealer of this particular forum and told them some of the things being said, including about replacing the harness. They said they were going to research the issue and called me a couple of hours later confirming Toyota Canada is, in fact, aware of the problem and that the fix is to replace the wire and harness (whatever that means exactly, I have no idea :D). So, they've ordered the parts and will call me when they come in. Thankfully, I do have extended warraty to 100k and it will be covered. I currently sit at 67k, without extended I'd be SOL.

[Cedrica]

Oh, and they had three come in yesterday with the same problem! That's a fairly large number given how small the community is...

[Maddman]

So the ABS stayed on today and had to really push down the brake pedal to get the car to stop. Pretty much ran a stop sign and just about rear ended a car. It did this everytime I stepped on the brake even though i was stopped. I called the dealership and asked them if they could disable the ABS until the part came in. I took it in to them and they pulled the fuse out so now I just have regular brakes. I suggest this to everyone cause if it is a faulty sensor and the ABS activates even when you are just trying to slow down, you might not stop in time cause the ABS will just let the car "roll" until it feels like it's got traction again. The service guy at the dealership also told me that they should have done this to begin with because it is a safety concern. He also told me that there is a TSB on this. Nice of them to tell us huh?


PULL YOUR FUSE until you get the car fixed.

[Former_Neon]

Well they called me from the Toyota dealership last Thursday and left me a message to say my part had finally arrived (after waiting for four weeks). I wasn't able to call them back on Thursday and got another voicemail on Friday saying they didn't actually have it.
I called them up and they gave me a cock-and-bull story about how they had just checked the item and found it to be broken and now have to order another, which will take "two weeks, minimum".
WTF is up with Toyota? They realize this is a problem, so they go ahead and order one at a time?
I also don't believe they just suddenly found the part was broken the day after they took delivery of it. It's more likely they sold the part to someone else because I didn't call them back within five minutes.
I'm simmering at this point.

[onizuka]

All these stories discourage me in keeping my car after my 4 yrs lease term is over. It's not like we own a beater, can't believe how that sensor can be so expensive and yet degrade so fast only within 2-3 years. I don't think corrosion is relevant to mileage, it's more relevant to ownership time. I bet that part is outsource and made in Thailand or some sort.

[LostConfidence123]

Add me to the list. I have a 2007 Hatchback, and I also am discouraged about the ABS and ! lights. My car's ABS activates on pavement and I have had to get someone from the dealership to look at my car twice now. Does anyone know if the problem fixes itself once the new parts are replaced in the car ? I'm from Halifax, but I see the majority of cases seem to be in Ontario.

[Adriaan]

i wonder if this problem is just a north american problem? If anyone from northern europe is viewing this thread and are not getting the same problem. Maybe we can get the sensors from europe since there better made for the cold weather. Just an idea.

[LostConfidence123]

Well, they fixed my left rear sensor and now the right rear sensor is posing a problem. They ordered the part for me this morning and I am hoping that once that comes in and is put in, that the problem will be solved. I'm just happy both sides are getting fixed at the same time. At least I am not driving the car around with two faulty sensors !

[Dave]

Has anyone who's had this problem (while still under warranty) ever demanded the dealer fix all four at the same time? It doesn't seem like an unreasonable request, being all four wheels are exposed to more-or-less the same conditions and would have nearly the same amount of wear and corrosion.

[Jem_hadar]

Has anyone who's had this problem (while still under warranty) ever demanded the dealer fix all four at the same time? It doesn't seem like an unreasonable request, being all four wheels are exposed to more-or-less the same conditions and would have nearly the same amount of wear and corrosion.

Ive had all 2 or 3 go (forget which figure). Maybe it was the 2 plus the harness now. So 3 in total.

Anyways, i bet if i ask, they'll just tell me they simply cant or wont unless it becomes a problem with an error msg.

[Bobby B]

Ive had all 2 or 3 go (forget which figure). Maybe it was the 2 plus the harness now. So 3 in total.

Anyways, i bet if i ask, they'll just tell me they simply cant or wont unless it becomes a problem with an error msg.

My wife's came in today... an hour after I said I should probably call TCI - apparently they've been on back order since Dec. - hers went in January.

I asked if they can replace them all as well - no dice - TCI won't cover it.

While it's in they'll remove the sound deadening for the recall... apparently they just remove the foam in the pillar - not replace it...
My satisfaction is not what it once was.:iono:

[Jem_hadar]

Update... there was a message from Toyota saying my part was in...

Guess that means *finally* that ABS harness has arrived!? Ill let you know once I call them back tomorrow.

Man, but that was a serious backorder... ,,,

[Frankd1]

I've been waiting for over a month, hopefully not much longer now...

[Maddman]

My car goes in Friday. They're going to do the ABS sensor and the recall.

[Jem_hadar]

Update... there was a message from Toyota saying my part was in...

Guess that means *finally* that ABS harness has arrived!? Ill let you know once I call them back tomorrow.

Man, but that was a serious backorder... ,,,

Called yesterday. They said the speed sonsor is in (i asked if he meant to say the ABS harness unit... the parts guy told said ya. same thing, the speed sensor HAS a harness on it.) OK...

Set up appt w/ Steve for Monday to finally deal w/ this issue.

[devinlamothe]

Just curious how much it costs to get one of these sensors replaced. I know one or more of mine are dead ... just want to know what I'm looking at in terms of $$.

[Former_Neon]

Well I finally have an appointment this Tuesday to get the part replaced. One thing that pisses me off (besides the intolerable wait, of course) is that I asked the guy if a 2:00 appointment really means I'll get in at close to 2:00. His reply was something like, "well we can't guarantee the times because we might get backed up from the morning". Excuse me, but WTF is an appointment system for? When you book the appointments, you obviously have an idea how long each job will take. I hope this recession lingers on so that these retailers will feel a tight pinch and change their tune and actually value a customer.

[Jem_hadar]

Just curious how much it costs to get one of these sensors replaced. I know one or more of mine are dead ... just want to know what I'm looking at in terms of $$.

I asked abt the abs sensor last time (not the harness unit though) and i was told in the area of $400 I think it was.


if a 2:00 appointment really means I'll get in at close to 2:00. His reply was something like, "well we can't guarantee the times because we might get backed up from the morning". Excuse me, but WTF is an appointment system for? When you book the appointments, you obviously have an idea how long each job will take.

Love that I just drop my car off in the morning before work or over lunch, and have them shuttle me to work.

Then they call me when its all done in the afternoon and they send someone out to pick me up again and bring me back to the dealership so i can get my car.

i never wait in the dealership for them to do these things.

[devinlamothe]

I asked abt the abs sensor last time (not the harness unit though) and i was told in the area of $400 I think it was.

Yikes, won't have that done any time soon. lol. :frown:

[LostConfidence123]

Did anybody ever experience their abs going off on dry pavement ?

[Former_Neon]

Well I had mine fixed today and it would have cost $480.00 if it hadn't been covered under warranty.
I spoke to the mechanic and he told me the part wasn't corroded. The part in question was a "manufacturer defect". Which makes me wonder why Toyota hasn't issued a recall.

[Jem_hadar]

So she's all fixed now. Got it *finally* looked after on Monday.

The official 'cause' as listed on my repair invoice is:

"Right rear speed sensor harness"


And interestingly enough, apparently there's a TSB out for this!?!? (What does that mean exactly then???)

Because the 'correction' on my repair invoice reads:

"Labour to diagnose and replace speed sensor harness as per TSB3027"


(Part # was 89516-52090, and description was "Wire,Sensor" in case anyone was interested)

There's my update ppl.

[devinlamothe]

So she's all fixed now. Got it *finally* looked after on Monday.

The official 'cause' as listed on my repair invoice is:

"Right rear speed sensor harness"


And interestingly enough, apparently there's a TSB out for this!?!? (What does that mean exactly then???)

Because the 'correction' on my repair invoice reads:

"Labour to diagnose and replace speed sensor harness as per TSB3027"


(Part # was 89516-52090, and description was "Wire,Sensor" in case anyone was interested)

There's my update ppl.

That part is for the rear right sensor wire ... price online is $29 ... so my question is ... if it is really that cheap, WTF is the $400 for?

[devinlamothe]

Just found the TSB, but for some reason it's only good for 36000miles ... WTF? This should be FREEEEEE: http://www.etimago.com/yaris/TSB/T-SB-0120-08%20(ABS%20M.I.L.%20ON%20DTC%20C0210%20or%20C0215 ).pdf

[Maddman]

That's the standard 36/36,000 Toyota warranty. If you get the extended, it'll still be covered. I still say there should be a recall on it since there seems to be so many reports of it and the shortage/waiting of parts tells me that this is a problem for alot of Yaris owners.

Does anyone know if this is a "shared" part with other Toyota vechiles?

[DuckHunt]

Canadian Owners,
You're not alone. I can confirm that the problem exists in the 2007 and 2008 US Yaris sedans. I have one of each year model and have had both of them in the shop in the last month with this same issue. My 2007 model had 75,000 miles on it. Fortunately the extended warranty covered the $700 US repair cost. Today I had to take my 2008 Yaris sedan with 12,000 miles in to replace the left rear sensor and wiring harness.

This really hasn't been a bad winter here. Toyota should offer to fix this problem for free. There is obviously a quality, design or manufacturing defect issue with this sensor.

DuckHunt

[Former_Neon]

That part is for the rear right sensor wire ... price online is $29 ... so my question is ... if it is really that cheap, WTF is the $400 for?

It's for the speed sensor itself. The harness and sensor get replaced simultaneously. I just had mine done yesterday.
The laugh of it all (I have to laugh or else I'll likely cry) is that I asked the mechanic if the other one at the back is likely to malfunction. He said that, sooner or later, it would. Are they kind of keeping their fingers crossed that my warranty will expire before the next one goes?

[voodoo22]

The laugh of it all (I have to laugh or else I'll likely cry) is that I asked the mechanic if the other one at the back is likely to malfunction. He said that, sooner or later, it would. Are they kind of keeping their fingers crossed that my warranty will expire before the next one goes?

Everything will fail eventually, but what pisses me off is that Toyota knows this is a defective part which could go at anytime and they do not offer a quality replacement part to fix the problem for their customers before failure occurs and if failure occurs after standard warranty you are screwed even though the failing part is below standard quality.

We haven't had this part fail yet and we just passed 48k km's. Hopefully we don't have a problem, but I still feel really upset for all of you who have had to deal with this issue and pay for its resolution. The way Toyota is treating you is disrespectful to everyone of their customers and I'm sure will cost them return customers, but like any other company, Toyota does not care.

[my little snow ball]

i guess its time to get an ecp before its too late

[Former_Neon]

Everything will fail eventually,


You misunderstand my entire point. I am fully aware that everything will fail eventually because what kind of dreamer believes a car will last forever? My point was that the speed sensor on the left is defective also and it's only a matter of time (according to the mechanic) before it malfunctions, as the one on the right side did. That being the case, why does Toyota not replace all of the speed sensors at once, before the warranty runs out?

[Maddman]

Toyota won't spend a cent on a car thats under warranty unless they absolutly have to. Yes the other sensor might malfunction but they want us to pay for it. So they're hoping that it'll happen out of warranty.

[devinlamothe]

This happened to me AGAIN - I'm guessing it's temperature related since it only seems to happen if it suddenly gets really warm or really cold, etc.

I spoke to a friend of mine who is the service manager at a dealership, who was willing to cut the price in half, so I'm getting my bearing(the most expensive part) & sensor wire replaced.

The only problem is apparently there is now a month wait for the part because this is happening to a ton of Yarii!!!

[Former_Neon]

The only problem is apparently there is now a month wait for the part because this is happening to a ton of Yarii!!!

Which is why Toyota should stop being so miserly and issue a recall on this. It seems to me that Toyota thinks they can emulate the smug attitude that the Big Three automakers had for so long, without any consequence.

[Pars]

Toyota is in fact emulating the big three as far as the Yaris is concerned. For example, the $1750 cash insentive on the new 09 Yaris...

[Former_Neon]

Toyota is in fact emulating the big three as far as the Yaris is concerned. For example, the $1750 cash insentive on the new 09 Yaris...

What does this add to the conversation?

[Pars]

One of the big reason the big 3 (or crippled 3) aren't doing well is the preconception that their car isn't as reliable as their Japanese rival which effect sales and necessitate the need for incentives to sell-off surplus stock. The Yaris sales incentive is probably largely motivated by the new Fit, but ABS issue can't be helping matters.

How do preconception of reliability come about?

It's developed over several model life cycle in which the owners of the brand promotes the reliability of their cars to friends and family and the word spreads. Prints and advertising can promote a lifestyle decision when purchasing an automobile, but the durability and reliability of the automobile is promoted through the masses...previous owners.

Yaris's ABS issue is going to have a ripple effect and if perception changes. And durability of the product is no longer a big selling point, then Hyundai is in a great position to take a bigger share of the market, especially in the small car arena.

That said, I was the first to get the ABS issue and knew it was a manufacturer's problem. (based on putting 500,000km on two Honda cars without any problem).
Shortly after I got the ABS fixed in my Yaris, I traded the car for another Toyota (Rav4). Granted, my respect for Toyota reliability was tarnished, but they still got some of the best car/suv available even if reliability isn't the selling factor.

[ajwinter123]

My Gf started our car yesterday and the ABS and break light was on as well, it's a Yaris 5door hatchback 2007. It went off on it's own the same day, and then came back on. We scheduled an appot with the dealer, and after 2 hours and 45 minutes they still were not able to determine the issue. They say it should be either the Hub and speed sensor or the Wireing harness. After looking at the TSB for this, it says nothing about repalcement for the entire hub. from doing a little research on this issue and looking on other forums, it sounds like it's a problem with the EBD system on the car. Anyone have any input on this?

[nemrod44]

========= I solved my abs / brake light problem =================

I had this problem and the dealer proposed to change the hub assembly and wire harness. There was no way i would pay 700$ for ABS to work properly.
Since everyone here was saying it was a corrosion problem with the connector in the hub assembly, i gave it a try and repaired it myself.

I opened the connectors, used WD-40 to wash the terminals inside the connectors, cleaned the connector of the WD-40 with some airpressure and then filled the connectors with dielectric grease (even tho regular grease protects from corrosion, the grease itself conducts electricity and could cause some weird shorts between the two terminals, dielectric grease prevents this).

I did the repair january from last year and its been working fine since then. I think i will reopen the connectors and redo the same job before it gets cold just to be sure everything will continue to be fine.

If your harness / sensor connector is in really bad shape, this repair might not work but for the price its worth the try. (took me between an hour or two and cost only the 6$ dielectric grease tube and some wd-40). Also, i used wd-40 but I guess connector cleaner would make a better job.

[devinlamothe]

========= I solved my abs / brake light problem =================

I had this problem and the dealer proposed to change the hub assembly and wire harness. There was no way i would pay 700$ for ABS to work properly.
Since everyone here was saying it was a corrosion problem with the connector in the hub assembly, i gave it a try and repaired it myself.

I opened the connectors, used WD-40 to wash the terminals inside the connectors, cleaned the connector of the WD-40 with some airpressure and then filled the connectors with dielectric grease (even tho regular grease protects from corrosion, the grease itself conducts electricity and could cause some weird shorts between the two terminals, dielectric grease prevents this).

I did the repair january from last year and its been working fine since then. I think i will reopen the connectors and redo the same job before it gets cold just to be sure everything will continue to be fine.

If your harness / sensor connector is in really bad shape, this repair might not work but for the price its worth the try. (took me between an hour or two and cost only the 6$ dielectric grease tube and some wd-40). Also, i used wd-40 but I guess connector cleaner would make a better job.

I am definitely going to have to try this when the weather gets warmer out.

Unfortunately for me, my brand new speed sensor is broken again. It seems to be just ice build-up around the sensor though, so only time will tell if it's bit the dust. It happened after one day was plus 0, then the next it went down to almost -30. It's still pretty cold out (-14), and the ABS and ! are still lit.

Maybe I will try a hair dryer to the sensor to get rid of the ice. :iono:

[kuyabheda]

I am new here and my car (2008 yaris) did that yesterday- with both abs and ! coming on..They told me 2 wks for the part. 2 $%&*^@ wks without a car.. and they dont offer any courtesy vehicle at all.

Ohh well next time i will go for a honda..which i had before

[cdavidhess]

My ABS and Brake lights came on a couple of days ago (for the first time). They went off later in the day. At this point, I'm just going to wait and see if it happens again.

[WeeYari]

2 $%&*^@ wks without a car.. and they dont offer any courtesy vehicle at all.

You are OK to drive. Brakes will basically be functioning same as none ABS equipped vehicles.

[Doc Zaius]

I am new here and my car (2008 yaris) did that yesterday- with both abs and ! coming on..They told me 2 wks for the part. 2 $%&*^@ wks without a car.. and they dont offer any courtesy vehicle at all.

You are OK to drive. Brakes will basically be functioning same as none ABS equipped vehicles.

Yeah, I've been driving with those lights on for about 8 months now... it's fine, just no ABS. Waiting till spring to try to clean the contacts.

[firstyaris]

========= I solved my abs / brake light problem =================

I had this problem and the dealer proposed to change the hub assembly and wire harness. There was no way i would pay 700$ for ABS to work properly.
Since everyone here was saying it was a corrosion problem with the connector in the hub assembly, i gave it a try and repaired it myself.

I opened the connectors, used WD-40 to wash the terminals inside the connectors, cleaned the connector of the WD-40 with some airpressure and then filled the connectors with dielectric grease (even tho regular grease protects from corrosion, the grease itself conducts electricity and could cause some weird shorts between the two terminals, dielectric grease prevents this).

I did the repair january from last year and its been working fine since then. I think i will reopen the connectors and redo the same job before it gets cold just to be sure everything will continue to be fine.

If your harness / sensor connector is in really bad shape, this repair might not work but for the price its worth the try. (took me between an hour or two and cost only the 6$ dielectric grease tube and some wd-40). Also, i used wd-40 but I guess connector cleaner would make a better job.
Just had this issue. Warranty lapsed. I am not a mechanic, does anyone have pictures where these contacts/connectors are so I can clean them?

[devinlamothe]

Just had this issue. Warranty lapsed. I am not a mechanic, does anyone have pictures where these contacts/connectors are so I can clean them?

I can take some pics but it won't be until summer ... since I don't have a garage where I can work in the winter.

But if you need to do it now you can always take a look here http://www.etimago.com/yaris/repairmanual/Brake%20Control.pdf

Page 97 is where the installation/removal diagrams are for the ABS sensors are on the front and rear wheels.

[grchristoff]

Hi there, new to the list but I am having the same problerm; ABS/Brake light came on just recently during a snow storm.

If someone has pictures of what needs to be changed that would be great as my 2007 yaris 4dsd is off warranty now.

I wouldn't think it would be too hard to install the sensor or wiring but resetting the computer is probably something the dealer would have to do.

[devinlamothe]

Hi there, new to the list but I am having the same problerm; ABS/Brake light came on just recently during a snow storm.

If someone has pictures of what needs to be changed that would be great as my 2007 yaris 4dsd is off warranty now.

I wouldn't think it would be too hard to install the sensor or wiring but resetting the computer is probably something the dealer would have to do.

From what I can tell the lights should go off by themselves once the ECU regains connection to the speed sensors. I know this since it happens to me once the ice/snow/sludge/whatever is dislodged from the sensors, my lights go back off and ABS works again.

For those of you looking for part #s, I have them for the 2007 Hatch, dunno if they are the same across all years:

SENSOR, SPEED, FRONT RH
89542-52050

SENSOR, SPEED, FRONT LH
89543-52050

SENSOR, SPEED, REAR RH
89544-52040

SENSOR, SPEED, REAR LH
89544-52040

The wire harness is:

WIRE, SKID CONTROL SENSOR
89516-52090 NCP91..CND; RH
89516-52100 NCP91..CND; LH

[grchristoff]

Devin,

Thank you every much for these part numbers. That helps immensely.

greg

[fidgell]

I had these two lights come on last week, and ABS didnt work during that period. Yesterday I jacked the car up, took off the rear wheels and fixed it myself - I have only a basic knowledge of fixing stuff, the most Ive done on the Yaris to date is change front rotors/pads so no expert knowledge required!

Once the wheel is off you will see a plug - the only one you will see - on the rear of the drum near the axle. A small screwdriver is needed to push the plug (gently) off the socket and hey presto....Get cleaning! I used a compressed air cleaner like one would use on a PC keyboard to clean the snow/crap out then WD40 to clean. Cleared any excess off with the air again then put the plug back. Finally a little grease on the small gap between plug and socket and wheel back on.

I got in turned the key and drove off.... NO lights on.... ABS working as it should.

I suggest everyone do this BEFORE going to the dealer as it will save you a fortune. It took 20 mins to do both sides and is as easy as taking off the wheel!

Southern Ontario weather does cause problems to the little car, but this is a free fix... well free if you have cleaning products already in the house!

If anyone wants it, PM me and ill go outside and photograph the plug area for you... But I dont know how to post it on here so ill have to email it!!! Proof its easy to do eh?

[WeeYari]

^:clap::clap:

[devinlamothe]

Sweet you know what, I think I will try that tomorrow. Maybe I will post a DIY.

Also wouldn't hurt to apply some dielectric grease on the connection ... maybe that would help keep out some of the grunge.

I'll see if crappy tire sells some.

[Adriaan]

You can go to the DIY section and download the 2007 Yaris Factory Repair Manual. or go on line to http://www.etimago.com/yaris/repairmanual/.
From there go to brake control or BC
for the front it BC 94 - 97
for the rear it BC 98

When i did it i was able to park inside a heated garage. Wash under the car to remove the road salt and that stupid anti-gel crap they spray on the roads here. That stuff is so bad for cars. It the same stuff they use on planes and if left on for a while can cause problems. Anyways once that is all clean. Disconnect the negative terminal, and start in front. I used contact cleaner it doesn't leave any residue and film. Clean the sensor and the chamber it goes into. Not sure if dw40 would be good for the chamber since i believe it need the fiction to tell the abs brake sensor whats going on. Do the same for the rear plug and apply dielectric grease on the connections. Iy should be good till the summer.

After doing this i found that it still comes back every once in a while, But when it very cold and the car sits outside for more that five hours. I thing it because the grease freeze and can't work as well. But after five to ten minutes the light goes out. or when i restart the car its fine for the rest of the day. I'm hoping it just a problem with the early models. If so maybe i can get parts from a 2009 or 2010 and switch them out, if there the same. Hope this helps.

[Doc Zaius]

... A small screwdriver is needed to push the plug (gently) off the socket and hey presto....Get cleaning! ...

This small step caused me hours of frustration last spring when I installed my wheel spacers! Argh! :tongue:

[asiliat]

I got in turned the key and drove off.... NO lights on.... ABS working as it should.

Yep, ABS works again for me too. I used WD40 and then dielectric grease to coat the plug to keep salt out going forward. When I switch between summers/winters, I'll probably wipe and re-coat as needed.

Yes, definitely need a screwdriver. Pry the tab gently open at the top, and then push it out and away from the drum brake itself (I used the same screwdriver - flat head to push it out). Make sure to use WD40 or the like and soak it for a couple of minutes before trying to remove, minimizing risk of breaking the clip. It should make a small "pop" sound when it comes off.

BTW, I joined the forum JUST thank you for reporting this fix. :D

[grchristoff]

This sounds pretty easy and straight forward. I plan on doing mine this weekend.

[Spockis53]

I have a 2007 Yaris with ABS. The first rear ABS sensor and wiring harness needed to be replaced (under warranty) at 59,000km. And now the other rear ABS sensor and wiring harness need to be replaced at 80,000km. ... for $900.00 !!!

It seems these things are becoming consummables!

[devinlamothe]

I have a 2007 Yaris with ABS. The first rear ABS sensor and wiring harness needed to be replaced (under warranty) at 59,000km. And now the other rear ABS sensor and wiring harness need to be replaced at 80,000km. ... for $900.00 !!!

It seems these things are becoming consummables!

WOA OK first of all the parts shouldn't even come close to that $, your dealer is ripping you off like CRAZY.

I would first try the DIY here to see if that fixed the issue.

[mijemc]

Hej
I have a Yaris from 2006. I have it from brand new 30-3-2006. I am from Denmark
At 36.243 km. ABS VSC lights came on. fix by the dealer.
At 41.277 km. ABS VSC lights came on. fix by the dealer.
At 104.000 km. ABS VSC lights came on. the dealer say that there is no longer warranty on the car. Damm !
Today I am startet to do the things that figdell is telling, hope it works.
I will see if I can take some fotos today.

I hope that you can understand my School English.

[mijemc]

Hej
I try the things that figdell is telling about, but no luck.
It a shame, becouse I like to drive my littel car.

[Doc Zaius]

That is too bad. I hope it works for me when I try it!

[devinlamothe]

That is too bad. I hope it works for me when I try it!

Me too I still haven't gotten around to do it yet. I just bought a new torque wrench so I will be doing it soon.

Man I really hope it works.

[fidgell]

Just an update as its been a few weeks since I did "the clean"... Its been VERY cold and wintery (as usual) here in Barrie, Ontario. The lights remain off and the abs is still working, so I hope the guys trying this have some luck and save their money!!!

As for dealers just replacing expensive parts, this should ONLY be done after an attempt at an extensive clean - they cant be bothered to try and just want the money. Im sure many people have handed over the $750 or so when it could have been done with a half hour clean.

Good Luck

[mijemc]

Hej
I just think about Toyotas spareparts list. Do anyone know how to get the list, are the list on the Internet.
I want to see if the spareparts (ABS systems) are i others Toyota models. If yes, have there been ABS problems in this models.
It could be very funny to see, fore eksempel if there is a problem with the ABS system in a model from, from eksample 2004 , wich share the same ABS system as the Yaris. Why have Toyota not fix that problem before Toyota use the system in the Yaris. That will be a very good ? to ask Toyota about. If that is the case.


Hmm: I now the gramma sucks, but you are all over 18 yers, pleace do the gramma for this Dane.
Michael

[onizuka]

wow, i see more ppl complaining about this sensor problem than the actual brake issue from Prius and the sticky accelerator, and yet, we got not recall. That accelerator recall has been taken out of proportion for sure.

[Jake]

Hi everyone - WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER TO GET A RECALL DONE!!

I did a separate post, but it should have been made here instead considering HOW MANY of us Yaris users this is happening to. Parts are backordered because of the SHEER VOLUME of sensors and harnesses being replaced.

I own a 2007 Yaris Sedan.

My brake light and ABS light are permanently on.
My brakes have been looked at, they are fine.

After paying the dealer over $100 to "diagnose" the problem, they deemed it to be my Right Rear Speed Sensor.

They say it is "seized", "faulty", "inoperable"
and recommend me replacing it along with the hub and Bearing.

The code used for the speed sensor is
CODE C0210 Right Rear Speed Sensor

Part to replace it with is
42450-52060, 89516-52090

suggested $925.40 parts and labor

just so we can compare notes....

Let me get this right. My brakes are fine, yet I need to dish out almost a thousand dollars because the speed sensor is telling me the brakes are "not" right?

The problem comes back in later years to be paid for over and over again, which shows it is a FAULTY part.

Toyota needs to make sure the Yaris is equipped to withstand snowy conditions without costing it's customers a fortune. I'm still making payments and shouldn't be having this type of problem in a fairly new car.

Right now I am just leaving the lights on, so ticked off!!

opinions anyone? How do you organize in order to find out how many people are going through this and get our voices heard for a recall?

thanks,:eyebulge:
J

[zodieman]

My ABS light came on on my 07 a couple of weeks ago and would go on and off a few times a day. I thought cold affected it but it was all over the place.
I took it to my dealer and they said it needed a new right read hub to the tune of $800 CND. I passed on the repair for the time being.

After reading this thread on cleaning the sensor so I thought I would give it a try since it doesn't cost me anything to at try. I can confirm at least in my case that cleaning the sensor did the trick! ABS light is off, ABS is working perfectly again!

Toyota has a faulty design with the ABS sensor location and shouldn't be trying to gouge without at least trying to clean it first. Dealers can be crooks.

[onizuka]

i'm glad that the DIY cleaning and lube job fix the problem. However mind you that not every Yaris owners are car enthusiasts like we are . Most don't know zap about cars especially removing the brake components. Mind you more than 80% of Yaris owners are simple mind drivers whom know/care little about cars and DIY may not an option to them. Toyota should definitely step up and at least attempt to address the issue without gouging us $900 for their faulty design!

[mr9865]

I have a feeling that once the 2009's hit the 3 year mark (when the problem seems start) it may get recalled because every 09 has ABS where it was optional in 2007-08 and it seems not many where equipped.

[firstyaris]

Attetion CANADIAN OWNERS

I've sent a email to Transport Canada and they have asked to file a formal complaint. I will do so and request anyone who had/has an issue, please file so we can get Toyota to act on this common problem. Recall or not, Toyota has to fix it. My2Cents

Here is Transport Canada's email:


If you have experienced this problem with your vehicle, we request that you complete our on-line complaint form. Please include your vehicle's seventeen digit vehicle identification number (VIN), current kilometerage, a narrative of the incident or problem, along with all other pertinent and contact information. Please check the box that will allow us to contact the manufacturer on your behalf.

Please visit our webpage via the link below.
https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/7/PCDB-BDpp?Index

[Hard_Yaris]

I'm wondering where everyone's car was manufactured? Maybe its a localized problem to one or a two manufactures .

J- Japan
1- NUMMI
2- Canada: TMMC
3- Mexico: TMMBC
4- USA:TMMK
5- USA: TMMI, TMMCA & TMMTX

Look at the First character of your VIN number.

Mines J

[Cedrica]

I got the harness replaced last year at this time after much fighting with the dealer that it indeed needed to be done. So far this year with all the snow, I've had no problems. So, IMHO, it's definitely the harness.

*EDIT: And it would have cost almost $1000 but I got in there under my 100k extended warranty so it was covered.

And you want a recall? Start sending this thread to some reporters to do their homework, I'm sure there is a vulture reporter out there somewhere ready to pounce and further denigrate Toyota's reputation with a bombshell that even the Yaris isn't spared from issues, lol.

[devinlamothe]

Mine was manufactured in Japan. I will definitely fill out the Transport Canada thing. I have yet to actually do the clean/seal with my sensors, but there is no way I am spending ANOTHER $500+ to replace a sensor that should have been fixed.

[devinlamothe]

I made sure to mention the TSB which means Toyota KNOWS about the issue and will only fix it for those under warranty.

http://www.etimago.com/yaris/TSB/T-SB-0120-08%20%28ABS%20M.I.L.%20ON%20DTC%20C0210%20or%20C02 15%29.pdf

This really is a shame.

[auxmike]

I could'nt find an ABS equipped car when I bought mine in '08.
I'm GLAD I don't have it now!:thumbup:

[DJCrazyChris]

I have been told by my dealer that they checked for parts yesterday and there are over 600 waiting on back order. We demanded they provide a rental and we're now into week 3 as the ABS was being used on dry pavement with most braking attempts.

Anyone else waiting a VERY long time for parts. :iono:

[Jake]

600??!!! on back order?!! Toyota needs to address this. Thanks for the link
http://www.etimago.com/yaris/TSB/T-S...20C0215%29.pdf
unbelievable that they know about it and won't do a thing.

In my post, I mentioned that my abs and brake light were on, then they went off again.

This morning when I was braking, something made a noise and I had to push a lot harder than usual to stop. It felt very "spongy". Then my abs and brake light came on again. But, my pads are fine, so I wonder what's going on?? I don't have $1000 to fix a faulty problem that they know about, but I can and will write to Transport Canada. I hope that no one gets hurt because of this problem.

thanks for the links.

[Jake]

Just read a lot of the other posts, I guess when I had to brake harder, that meant my abs was on even though it was dry pavement? The car didn't want to stop! Everyone please follow the previous post and write Transport Canada
____

Here it is again

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If you have experienced this problem with your vehicle, we request that you complete our on-line complaint form. Please include your vehicle's seventeen digit vehicle identification number (VIN), current kilometerage, a narrative of the incident or problem, along with all other pertinent and contact information. Please check the box that will allow us to contact the manufacturer on your behalf.

Please visit our webpage via the link below.
https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/7/PCDB-BDpp?Index

_____

also,
my vin number also starts with a "J"

[devinlamothe]

Wow 600 on backorder??? WTF Toyota!

This is really starting to bug me.

[DJCrazyChris]

This morning when I was braking, something made a noise and I had to push a lot harder than usual to stop. It felt very "spongy"

That would be the ABS working...probably when it wasn't supposed it...now imagine driving at highway speeds and needing the brakes and getting that kind of stopping power. :thumbdown:

[expat26]

I would appreciate a jpeg of the plug. My email is expat26@yahoo.com. Many thanks for taking the time.

[DuckHunt]

Hi Canucks!

You are not alone with this Yaris brake issue. I have two Yaris sedans. I have a 2007 and a 2008 model sedan. 2007 was the first year model in the US market.

I commute about 92 miles each day (150km) and love my Yaris. Last winter wasn't bad for us, but I had this issue in my 2007 Yaris Sedan in January 2009. It had 75k miles (120k km) at the time. The fix was the right rear wheel speed sensor. The hub and bearing assy was also replaced bringing the repair cost to $657 US. Fortunately I bought a 100k mile extended warranty and it covered it.

Just 8 weeks later in March 2009 my 2008 Yaris sedan came down with the same issue. It only had 12k miles (~19.3k km) at the time. The fix was the left rear wheel speed sensor and the wiring harness. I'm not sure of the cost as it was covered under warranty.

Today, I just dropped off my 2007 Yaris Sedan at the dealership. This time it is the left wheel speed sensor. They will likely be replacing the wheel & hub assy as well. They are recommending replacing the wiring harness on both sides at the same time due to corrosion. The total bill we be about $1000 US. The warranty will cover part of it, but maybe not the harness since it hasn't failed 'YET' on both sides.

Keep raising your voices over this issue. You are not alone. The US market has the SAME issue. I live about 60 miles west of Washington DC. Our winters are normally not as severe as Canada or quite as cold. If we are having the same issue here I can only imagine the issue is worse up there. I'll have to give the sensor cleaning tip a try the next time this occurs. As sure as the sun rises, it will happen again.

Other than this ABS issue, I have had no problems at all with either car. Unless Toyota steps up and corrects the issue, I will not be a returning customer.

DuckHunt
2007 Yaris Sedan (US)
2008 Yaris Sedan (US)

[EmiliaZ]

This is just great! :thumbup: My abs and brake light have come on (and off several times), and unfortunately, I see that I am not alone. Ugh, Toyota's reputation for quality is crumbling. Their "reputation" was one of the main reasons I opted for this company (and I am sure that I am not alone in this). I am taking it to the dealership tomorrow, and will definitely file a formal complaint.

As one poster suggested, perhaps when the 09's reach the three year mark, this will become a recall issue since all of the 09's are automatically equipped with abs. Too bad for the rest of us.

Something definitely needs to be done. I will re-post after I get the issue diagnosed by the dealer.

Before I go, I'll take it to a car wash, see if that helps, as many have suggested that it may be a rust/ debris issue with the sensors. The 600 parts on back order have me worried!!

[devinlamothe]

Has anyone tried contacting Toyota Canada/US regarding this issue?

[DuckHunt]

As one poster suggested, perhaps when the 09's reach the three year mark, this will become a recall issue since all of the 09's are automatically equipped with abs. Too bad for the rest of us.


It doesn't take three years to see the problem. I've had three fail in under three years on mine two Yaris. My 2008 had one fail at 10 months.

The problem will not be present in 2009 models. Per the TSB-0120-08 Toyota corrected the problem in late 2008 models with an improved connector on the rear wheel speed sensors. The problem occurs in 2007 and 2008 Sedans and Hatchbacks. The previous part number was 89544-52040. The new sensor part number is 89544-02070. The wiring is unchanged. The connector improvement is on the sensor itself.

I've filed three complaints with our nhtsa.gov in hopes to increase awareness. Toyota is aware of the design issue, and they have a fix for it. My complaint is that they are charging us consumers for the repair action when this poor design fails. I will have paid $1700 US for two of the three repairs because my cars mileage are beyond the warranty period.

DuckHunt

[Tamara]

OK! We need to be stirring the pot with this. I have been in contact with my steal-ership and theyre now offering up 300bucks towards the fix, and Toyota Canada is willing to chip in a bit too...HOWEVER, since I will be bringing my car to my local mechanic, as he was willing to attempt the cleaning fixes that are recommanded throughout this site (which WORKED for my left rear sensor, but my right rear sensor is still f'd), Toyota is not willing to chip in towards the parts or service as its not being performed by their overpriced inexperienced mechanics. So, we need to push Toyota Canada to do a campaign to have all Yaris's brought in and either have the connectors on the ABS harness cleaned/replaced, and/or have the company engineers design a better cover to protect these VERY sensitive circuits from our harsh Canadian climates to prevent them from corroiding.

Come on Toyota....fix this problem before we make it become a safety recall. You admit it yourselves on your website that ABS is better...and we did pay extra for it.

[lwight]

My Yaris is an October 07 model that I've had for a year this month. I've been having the same problems as the rest of you I think!!

In December we got real bad snow and ice here and as I left home to join the main road in rush hour traffic my brakes failed on me for the first time!! As the roads were really bad and I was going down a slight incline to get to the junction I had started to brake very early, just to make sure I would be able to stop OK. On my first attempt to brake nothing happened it just felt like the peddle wouldn't go down and I kept sliding forwards, second attempt I tried gentle slow pumping of the brakes and the same thing happened but with quite a bit of grating noise this time. The 3rd attempt was very scary as I knew by then I had no brakes and this was my last chance to stop the car but as I was going down a gentle slope the car was actually speeding up, at the last minute I decided not to cross the carriage way to go right but to turn left in the hope I would only get hit by one line of on coming traffic and not 2!!!! With my foot still trying to brake I also tried to steer left but the whole system seemed to go very stiff as if the power steering was off as well as the brakes, I ended up across the middle of the road having been unable to steer at all. Somehow even though the roads were bumper to bumper with traffic everyone had stopped and managed to avoid me but it left me feeling like a fool and very scared!!! My partner took my car out for a test drive a few days later (still in bad weather) and declared the brakes perfectly ok....so silly woman who has been driving everyday for 24 years just forgot how to drive was the theory I think!!! Next day I went out and the same thing happened luckily this time on a quiet road where it was not so much of a problem. I parked the car up and didn't drive it for 5 weeks until all the snow had cleared. In that time I drove my partners Jag with no problems in the snow!! When I got into my car again I noticed the ABS light was jammed on and stayed that way for 2 days then went off of it's own accord.

I've been driving the car now for about 6 weeks quite happily when 2 days ago the same thing happened to me but this time on a dry road which I noticed seemed to have quite a bit of loose gravel dropped on it for some reason. I came round a roundabout and down an incline and there was a queue of traffic, I was only doing about 25mph and it wasn't an emergency by any means, I went to brake and it was like I could only get the peddle to move maybe about 10% of the way down and it wouldn't go any further, there was loads of noise like crushing ice or coffee beans in a blender and I could also feel the noise coming through the peddle if that makes sense.....at the point where I thought I was going into the back of the car in front the brakes worked at last...and the ABS light stuck on. I took my car next day to the Toyota garage, they did the recall test while I was there and checked my brakes out and declared them perfect (their words) unfortunately the ABS light went off as I drove into the garage. They tried telling me it might just be the ABS kicking in but I know what ABS is like when it works and this isn't it!!!! So I got sent away and told just to keep an eye on them lol.....I'm now driving waiting for my next
near miss...well lets hope its another near miss and not an actual crash next time!!

I've been searching the internet and can't believe how many people are complaining and getting nowhere with Toyota...they must know something is seriously wrong here. I had my last Yaris for 7 year and never had any problems ever... which is why I decided to stick with the same when I renewed last year!! I just wish I had kept my old car now.

I will keep an eye on you guys and see if you can get anywhere with all of this xx

[devinlamothe]

I have sent a complaint to Transport Canada as well as Toyota Canada but received no response from either.

My local dealer also told me I would have to pay full price to get this fixed, eff that.

[EmiliaZ]

It doesn't take three years to see the problem. I've had three fail in under three years on mine two Yaris. My 2008 had one fail at 10 months.

The problem will not be present in 2009 models. Per the TSB-0120-08 Toyota corrected the problem in late 2008 models with an improved connector on the rear wheel speed sensors. The problem occurs in 2007 and 2008 Sedans and Hatchbacks. The previous part number was 89544-52040. The new sensor part number is 89544-02070. The wiring is unchanged. The connector improvement is on the sensor itself.

DuckHunt


Wow, I had no clue the late 08's had the fix. Also, I cannot imagine being without the extended warranty at this time. It is ludicrous that Toyota is requiring people to pay for these inherent problems.

[mijemc]

Hej Onizuka
In Denmark Toyota calls the cars in to fix the gaspedals problems OK
How much does it kost for repair the gaspedals 1/2 our ?
How much does it kost for repair the ABS and VSC, 1/2 our, I dont think so, its kost a lot more.
Anyhow I have fix my ABS,VSC problem I have sold my Yaris, I look for another car to replace it, a Hyundai Getz 1,5 diesel. Hmm it is a ok car feels a littel old style, but it NOT a Yaris.
Anyway I ended up to bye a Toyota Yaris D4D from 2007 (26.000 km) in dark blue metalic color. It runs and feels like a new car.
I am a fool, I know, but I like to drive that car.

Michael Jensen from DK

[shohei]

Glad i found this forum!

We have 2007 5 door hatch bought in Feb. 2008 and a few days ago my wife called to say she started the car and the ABS light stayed on. I said to just take it easy (have had some warmer weather so the roads have been clear) and we could just slip it off to our local mech (Since owning the car my wife has had 2 major ...um screw overs at the dealer) and he could identify which sensor was shot. Well yesterday she popped back into the house to say the emergency brake indicator was on too the (!). I said probably a side effect of driving with out ABS repaired for X amount of Kms.

Any who... I had Decided to see if there was something i could do about it on my own. Voila - I joined the masses here.

Im going to try the cleaning bit and see it that will help before shelling out any $$. Not that im cheap but i can handle most repairs..just do not have a garage at my disposal so sitting in the slop in the driveway is never appealing -but compared to the $$$ ive read about so far...its worth it.

Im going to add to the government complaint form as well.

[mijemc]

2007 Toyota Yaris D4D 1,4 diesel
Do anyone have the batterilamps(charge) and fuelfilterlamps on, in kold or vet condition.
My old Yaris from 2006 had this problem. Maybe my new Yaris from 2007 have the same problems.

Michael Jensen from DK

[Jake]

well, my brother in law was nice enough to do it.
He's a mechanic. He used a compressor and blew out the dirt and lubricated the sensor on both the left and right side.

Lights are off, then on, then off, like a christmas tree.
Each day is different.

He inspected my brakes as well and said they are good.

Just letting you know the fix doesn't always work.

thanks,
JB

[devinlamothe]

well, my brother in law was nice enough to do it.
He's a mechanic. He used a compressor and blew out the dirt and lubricated the sensor on both the left and right side.

Lights are off, then on, then off, like a christmas tree.
Each day is different.

He inspected my brakes as well and said they are good.

Just letting you know the fix doesn't always work.

thanks,
JB

Yeah, it could be the actual wire harness that is the problem, getting corroded (aka bare wires being exposed or frayed).

[DJCrazyChris]

Just called my dealer and the parts have arrived this AM, not even stocked on their shelves yet, but it will be fixed today....we'll see though.

[fidgell]

Been a while now since I did "the clean" and lights are still off even in our Barrie winter climate. I think if you catch it early enough its a good fix, if not the rot has already set in!

[onizuka]

CEO MR Toyoda is now at the hearing in Washington. I hope this serves as a big wake up call to all the Toyota execs from covering up potential defects. Act on it, recall this problem before we have to hear it again from CNN about this BS. I blame on the execs for not acting responsibility on it. Do you think Mr. Toyoda from Japan would over see everything that happens in North America...please...

[Jake]

Dear Ms. Brown:

We are sorry you are having difficulties with respect to your 2007 Yaris' speed sensor.

Since your vehicle has over 100,000 km on the odometer, we would not be able to offer you financial assistance towards the repair, i.e. the 3 year/60,000 km New Vehicle Warranty expired over 40,000 km ago.

Thank you for writing.

Cynthia Charlebois
Customer Interaction Centre
toyota_feedback@toyota.ca

[Jake]

Helo Cynthia,

It warms my heart that you are sorry I am having difficulties. Yes, I have a lot of highway kms on my car, but it is less than three years old. I had to do a lot of highway driving recently because my mother had brain cancer last year.

So are you saying that Toyota will only replace the defective parts for those people lucky enough to have them fail during warranty? That's not very good customer service is it?

I will patiently wait along with the 600 and more people with backordered parts until Toyota is forced to address this and has to do another recall for defective parts.

It's just a matter of time before they will have to own up to the fact that they know the sensors and harnesses in the 2007 Yaris's are defective. In the meantime, I'm going to be as vocal as I can so that this problem is brought into public awareness because it is not normal wear and tear, very expensive to fix, there is more than one side to fix, the problem can happen repeatedly, and the consumer should not be paying for defective parts that Toyota knows are defective.

Also, this is not the only problem. The ABS brakes come on when they should not be coming on, but then I'm sure that Toyotos already know this. People's safety is also at risk here, it's not just the money.

Please see the pdf of the technical service Bulletin that Toyota sent it's dealers on June 27, 2008 called T-SB-0120-08 ABS M.I.L. "ON" DTC C0210 or C0215 that I have attached for you.

It quotes " Some 2007- 2008 model year Yaris vehicles may exhibit an ABS M.I.L. "ON" condition with either one or both of the following Diagnostic Trouble Codes. (They KNOW about his problem)

Then goes on to say "The sealing performance of the rear wheel sensor connectors has been improved to address this condition. Use the following repair procedure to diagnose and repair customer complaint vehicles.

Then of course goes on to say to only repair if under warrantee. Shame on Toyota!!! They make the rest of us pay for defective parts even though
they have come up with an improvement.

Thankyou,
Jackie

[mojoyaris]

I hate to say it. Toyota Canada and Lexus Canada have not been very friendly lately.
I was getting a bad runaround from the competition guys at Lexus and they can't even give me a straight answer! Really!

I don't have ABS, but I did have a seatbelt problem. It still hasn't been fixed. Which doesn't matter anymore, the car is gutted out and out of warranty! LOL.

I did try to meet with someone at Toyota BC's head office in Richmond and the only person to talk to there is the security guard. I couldn't even find out who I could talk to.

It's a shame that Toyota thinks they're so big that they can't talk to a customer. They seem to leave it to the dealers to handle all the mess and nowadays it seems the dealers aren't any better. My GF has a 2009 Corolla which has been recalled..... She's had to bring it in three times and it's still not fixed.

Do you guys really need ABS? Why not just take it out?

[devinlamothe]

I hate to say it. Toyota Canada and Lexus Canada have not been very friendly lately.
I was getting a bad runaround from the competition guys at Lexus and they can't even give me a straight answer! Really!

I don't have ABS, but I did have a seatbelt problem. It still hasn't been fixed. Which doesn't matter anymore, the car is gutted out and out of warranty! LOL.

I did try to meet with someone at Toyota BC's head office in Richmond and the only person to talk to there is the security guard. I couldn't even find out who I could talk to.

It's a shame that Toyota thinks they're so big that they can't talk to a customer. They seem to leave it to the dealers to handle all the mess and nowadays it seems the dealers aren't any better. My GF has a 2009 Corolla which has been recalled..... She's had to bring it in three times and it's still not fixed.

Do you guys really need ABS? Why not just take it out?

The issue is we PAID for ABS, which is an added safety feature. Why would we just 'take it out'? That's giving up! :tongue:

[mojoyaris]

I never liked the ABS in the Yaris. It kicked in too early for my taste. However since you wanted it in the first place it should be working in the first place. I totally agree with you and how Toyota should be doing something. Especially in light of all of this.

Have to say, I'm really dissapointed in them. It'd be nice for them to give me a call and prove otherwise.

Toyota, Lexus Canada, Hope you're reading this and give me a shout. You know who I am. Ask Chad.

[Red Cell]

Interesting.

My wife's pre-owned 2006 Yaris RS Auto-Hatch isn't even "3 hrs old" and I see that the dreaded ABS light has come on (was not there during the test-drive). Since we are fortunate enough to still have 1 year on the extended "and" 90 days bumper-bumper, I've already made the call to the dealership and have an apt for Tuesday.

Geez, we'll see how this turns out.

Red Cell.

Re: 37,500km's

[devinlamothe]

Guys, Ottawa is now investigating Toyota. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you have not already, lodge a complaint with the Transport Canada Complaint Dept. so they will see this IS an issue that needs to be resolved:

https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/7/PCDB-BDpp?Index

Remember, the more people complain, the more Ottawa will have a case to pressure Toyota into doing something!

[jznomoney]

Is there a repair guide for this problem? A picture of the faulty harness and such?

[onizuka]

It would seem that once was enough for Toyota North America President Yoshimi Inaba. Just weeks after the top Toyota executive went before a congressional hearing in the United States, The Globe and Mail is reporting that Inaba has turned down a similar invitation to appear before the Canadian government. The topic of conversation? Why, the massive Toyota recall efforts and safety, of course.

Officials for the Harper Administration in Canada are expressing a great deal of disappointment at the apparent snub, with Merv Tweed, the Conservative MP chairing the Toyota committee, going so far as to say that Inaba's no-show would amount to a slight to the Canadian government and people, suggesting that Toyota perceives that the "American market is more important."

The Canadian government reportedly plans to once again request that Inaba attend its hearings. If Toyota refuses the request, parliament could issue a subpoena to Inaba, though the Toyota executive neither lives nor works in Canada, meaning he could potentially avoid the summons by keeping out of the country entirely.

For its part, Toyota Canada claims it does not report to Inaba and notes that CEO Yoichi Tomihara and managing director Stephen Beatty will attend on behalf of the company.

UPDATE: Despite continuing to insist that Toyota North America President Yoshimi Inaba has no responsibility for matters regarding recall and safety issues in Canada, Toyota has relented and Inaba will appear before the Parliament of Canada today.

[Source: The Globe and Mail]

[fidgell]

Is there a repair guide for this problem? A picture of the faulty harness and such?

As one who did "the clean" and fixed the problem, which hasnt come back yet, Ive been asked by quite a few for a photo of the connection concerned. I plan to get this done soon as Ive been really busy, Im no internet ace though and am looking at how to get the picture on the board!!!

Watch this space!!!

[WeeYari]

Im no internet ace though and am looking at how to get the picture on the board!!!

Should help you.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11114

[fidgell]

Should help you.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11114

Thanks for that, Im changing out of the winter wheels this weekend so Ill take the pictures then and get them on here soon as I can.....

[paulyates]

Here's a pic of the ABS Sensor plug.
Credit to poster in Hub Spacer thread.
These are the front sensors I think, but would not imagine a big difference.

PY

[jznomoney]

is there a way to disable abs for now like a fuse till i get to look at the sensors? Also when the abs light comes on, i hear a humming sound for a second then the brakes make a weird sound, then the light comes on. Then I can brake without abs, just normal brakes.

[Bluevitz-rs]

Yeah, there should be an ABS relay you can pull from the fuse panel under the hood.

[jznomoney]

I found in the manual a fuse number 8 30a says abs2 and a fuse number 46 50a says abs1. Does that sound right?

[Bluevitz-rs]

You should have a relay in there that says ABS.

[jznomoney]

so its not abs1 or abs2 on this diagram?

[Bluevitz-rs]

Yeah, pulling thee will disable the ABS but will also dissable the VSC. My echo has a relay that I can pull. I just figured the Yaris had one too.

[fidgell]

So, its been a few months and the problem hasnt returned!!! Ive switched back to summer wheels so shouldnt see it again this year at least... anyway here's pictures of the affected site for those who messaged me. Sorry it took so long!

[Luxley]

Thanks for the Fix folks!! Warning Lights were on all last winter. When I called the local dealer they played dumb with dollar signs in their eyes!! I can't image all the sensors that have been changed at the expense of owners all because of a poorly designed connection. I am going to try to silicone the entire connector before next winter. Mabye this will keep the slush out?! Would be nice if Toyota pulled up their socks on this obvious weak link in the Yaris Braking System.

[Jake]

It disappeared.
Must be the good weather.
I'll make sure not to panic when it reappears in the winter and will just take out the fuse for the abs.

I guess they'll never come clean on this problem because there is money to be made for replacing of their defective parts.

[Theisbj]

I just got the same problem. Both the VSC and ABS lights are on.

My Toyota Yaris is from february 2007 and they say it will cost me 9300 DKR or 1550$.

[Thai_Dang]

My ABS lights just came on this morning! WTF its only 3 months old. I had to manually shift it out of park by popping off the tab and pushing the white thing. Toyota what a fail.

[Dave]

Bumping this thread because it's almost winter again, and people may want to check their sensors when they change over to winter tires.

I'm thinking of switching my tires in the next three weeks, and was planning on cleaning the speed sensors (thanks to fidgell for the picture in post 232!) while I've got things apart. My warranty is up and I'm not paying $800 for a garage to do this for me.

So, for those that have successfully done the fix, I clean the dirt out of the sensor connectors with WD40 and compressed air, then top it off with a little dielectric grease before snapping it back together?

[craigq]

Bumping this thread because it's almost winter again, and people may want to check their sensors when they change over to winter tires.

I wish I would've back in November... We had our first couple of days of snow and salt on the roads, and the brake and ABS warning lights showed up on the dash. I cleaned the connections and lubed them with some dielectric grease this afternoon. Hopefully it works :redface:

[Dave]

I wish I would've taken my own advice too :redface:

I didn't do it when I changed my tires and now the lights are on. Do I actually have to take the tires off to get to the sensors, or can this be done with the tires still on? I'll have a chance to look at it this weekend, and I'll try to make due without the ABS in the meantime.

[craigq]

I think it's easier to just remove the tires. From what I could see the orange rubber seal on the sensor wiring plug-end (the cheaper $50 part) displaces a bit too much when the sensor wiring plug is inserted into the sensor receptacle on the hub (the expensive part). This is probably allowing the salty water mixture in and the electrical connection goes wonky.

[mleon4740]

Guys... here a new dissatisfied Toyota 2007 Yaris customer, had the ABS and Emergency Brake lights ON since yesterday, my warranty expired six months ago, has anyone heard of a change in Toyota's response to this type of problems? (Posted Dec 15th 2010)

[CB900F2]

Add me to the list of defective rear ABS speed sensors...

So far, they claim just the right-rear is defective, and they ordred the harness and hub. and they are back order.

I am fighting for them to replace the left side also under warranty as I do not want to get bitten in the a** with a repair bill if the left side goes bad for a know design fault..

[yaris2010RS]

sorry but there are 14 pages so forgive me, but how can we "preserve" the life of our sensors?

[WeeYari]

sorry but there are 14 pages so forgive me, but how can we "preserve" the life of our sensors?

Post#170

Yep, ABS works again for me too. I used WD40 and then dielectric grease to coat the plug to keep salt out going forward. When I switch between summers/winters, I'll probably wipe and re-coat as needed.

Yes, definitely need a screwdriver. Pry the tab gently open at the top, and then push it out and away from the drum brake itself (I used the same screwdriver - flat head to push it out). Make sure to use WD40 or the like and soak it for a couple of minutes before trying to remove, minimizing risk of breaking the clip. It should make a small "pop" sound when it comes off.

BTW, I joined the forum JUST thank you for reporting this fix. :D

Toyota has 'recognized', and 'fixed' the issue with 2009+ model years. You should not be a victim of this premature failure.

[R35c470r]

hi
i had the same problem, abs signal was turned on - abs didn't work. Mechanic said the right back sensor is not ok but abs signal disappear and again turned on after two day.
tell me something. if abs signal turn on than abs doesn't work, what about VSC.

[Dave]

Does anyone have any specific pointers on how to get the sensor apart from the hub for cleaning?

I got the outer housing off, like asiliat said in post 170, but is that all there is to it? I just saw the two wires going into another plastic plug which goes into the hub. Nothing there looked particularly dirty. Should've taken some pictures when I had it apart.

I'm assuming that the actual plug has to disconnect from the hub and be protected with grease (but maybe I'm wrong).

The picture in post 225 looks like the whole plug comes off.

I could use some guidance from someone who's done the fix, please.

[craigq]

Dave, it sounds like you only removed the connector cover. You have to pry carefully from the bottom to get the connector itself off, that's the piece with the two wires. Pry from the bottom portion of the connector with a really thin slot screwdriver as shown in the picture in post 225. This is also covered in the "axle.pdf" file of the FSM found on this site. The connector holes are very small, it doesn't take much to clean the area and lubricate with the dielectric grease...


4. DISCONNECT SKID CONTROL SENSOR WIRE (w/
ABS)
(a) Using a screwdriver, remove the claw of the
connector lock portion and disconnect the skid
control sensor wire connector.
NOTICE:
Do not remove the connector cover from the
connector because the skid control sensor wire
may be damaged.

[dycktim]

I am beginning my battle with Toyota to resolve this issue. In my opinion it should be recalled as a safety issue since ABS is a safety feature. I am in the beginning stages of building a case but will need help from many people who have the same issue. This is my first stab at it but i figure for the $1600 worth of repairs - I can devote some time to it, and maybe help out everyone else who is or will be in the same boat. My warranty expired less than a year ago and I'm at 75K on the car. Was told I'm s.o.l. by both dealership and Toyota Canada.

As such, I believe this issue meets the requirements for the Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Process if there are enough people experiencing the exact same problem. See Link.
http://www.camvap.ca/index.htm

If anyone has tried this already or is knowledgeable in these matters please let the rest of us know. It is my opinion that if we can prove a large number of people having this problem and prove it is a safety concern we may have a good case.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks,

[DJCrazyChris]

Another winter another trip to the dealership....less than a month on our extended care warranty. Replaced the one last year free of charge (took 5 weeks to wait for the part). Hopefully not as long this year.

[da1nonly]

argghh.. they replaced the right rear speed sensor last feb2010 and now the abs and Brake light goes off again jan2011.
Now the left rear sensor needs replacing.

add me to the list of affected users...

will update what happens at dealership...

ah nice first post ...

[da1nonly]

FOLLOWUP (sorry for the length of this post):

Part replaced for $53.30

So thanks to this forum I had the part replaced by Toyota for $53.30...
out of warranty.

I had the issue back in feb 2010 with the right sensor. they replaced it under warranty but didnt say what caused the issue despite my complaints to know the cause... just said that they had to replace the entire sensor assembly. Back then I complained asking them to recheck and replace the other sensors but they wouldn't becuz they were fine... I didnt actually look this problem up until tonight jan 2011 when the sensor went on the leftside.

So the story goes:
Came in tonight.... told me it would cost $733 to fix the sensor issue. Add $200+ for labor and $100 for the initial diagnostic.

Googled and found this thread.... showed them the easy fix and the tsb issued in 2008 (US version). After talking with service manager, technician and service rep we finally found the TSB (CDN version). I told them to fix the problem according to the TSB which matched the error code found during diagnostic. The replaced just the wire sensor (list price $53.30), waved the diagnostic fee and took 10% off labor (after 1hr of complaining with everyone there). Total was about $230 ($180 2hr labor, $50 part)

I wouldve tried cleaning it but the tech had already pulled out the sensor and showed me the wire was damaged (really?). At least i have the latest sensor model (hopefully) which should protect against corrosion/damage to the sensor. So hopefully I wont have to worry about this or having to clean the original faulty sensor every year.

If it hasn't been posted... for those looking for the TSB (CDN version) the number is:
TSB3027 (issued July 3, 2008 revised on March 19, 2010) - Canadian TSB Version
DTC (diagnostic trouble codes)
C0210 - Rear Speed Sensor RH circuit
C0215 - Rear Speed Sensor LH Circuit

Sorry I didnt get a chance to read the entire thread but I skim through enough of it to help me get the right part replaced at a reasonable price rather than their initial costs of $700-900

Hope that helps.

The service manager also said he'd follow up with Toyota. What they call a good will claim... case determined by toyota canada.

Sorry for the length of the post... but hopefully some of this info helps someone with the same issue.

Cheers.