Electric Yaris is here!

[freeridelectric]

Well hello Yaris brothers and sisters.

I once had a thread on here that read Electric Yaris $42,020.00. I quess some guber hacked the site and it is gone with many other threads.

http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/

My Yaris is now here. I have had it for all most a month.

The car is pretty neat. I like it. :smile: It had some problems. It would beeb and then shut off power. It did this at high speeds more than low. I consider this a small glitch. I have gone 70 miles at 55mph or better and another 25 miles in the city on one charge. The car meters indicated I had approx 15 miles left. Recently I tried to do all city driving to get the range in the city. I went 106.4 in the city according to Garmin GPS. The speedo is approx 4 miles fast so the odometer read 114.4. I go from Garmin GPS because I believe it to be more accurate than the odometer. None of the driving above would be considered hyper-mile driving. I think it will go 120 with carful driving under 40-45 mph. I like to put the pedal to the floor at red lights, the gas cars really have to burn a lot of fuel to keep up.

Most of the components are off the shelve. Asure controler, Solectria motor. The BMS is proprietary and the charger I have not yet identified. I like the car very much. Hope it last a long time or atleased 1500 cycles. Take Care Freeridelectric.

[cali yaris]

That seems pretty neat, and cool that you took a chance on new technology. :clap:

I wonder how they can get away with re-branding name brand cars. Do they have permission from Toyota etc.?

[KCALB SIRAY]

Do you have any close up pictures of the inners? Curious to see where and how they stashed everything

[marcus]

42 G's for get it i can get 2 to 3 yaris with that..

[yaris-?]

course if the goal is to save money a used Yaris is only a few grand ...

[cali yaris]

I don't think his goal was to save money. I think the OP has an interest in the technology and the money to spend to support it. I commend him 100%.

[tuckevalastin]

I forgot about that thread... congrats on getting it, post some pics of it completed!

[Treyz]

I can only see this as a daily local driver.

Congrats on getting it.

[Thej3sta2]

yeah i remember that thread. By the way do you have any under hood pics?

[CTScott]

+1 on the pics - I'd really like to see some good shots of how they mounted things under the hood and mated the engine to the tranny, as welll as how and where they mounted the batteries.

[otterhere]

As Bill the Cat used to say in the funny papers, "ack ack ack"...

You can buy a HOUSE for $42k in this economy!!! No way would I pay for that a car, "green" or not... Of course, if gas goes up to $30/gallon, then it would make fiscal sense, but unless and until that happens, no thank you.

[eii]

I don't think his goal was to save money. I think the OP has an interest in the technology and the money to spend to support it. I commend him 100%.

Yeah thats exactly how i felt. if only we had someone like him for the PE supercharger :laugh:

Cant wait for pix of this yaris!

[cali yaris]

post #2 - no answer yet. Anyone else have thoughts on how they can re-brand a name brand car?

[CTScott]

post #2 - no answer yet. Anyone else have thoughts on how they can re-brand a name brand car?

I think it is kind of like the repli-cars, where parts of one vehicle are being purchased to make a different vehicle. In this case it's the opposite of the repli-cars, where the body is scrapped and the frame and drive train are used.

[tuckevalastin]

I assume they have a deal with Toyota considering they buy them from Toyota directly. I remember reading about the deal they had with the original producer of their sports car model back when they debuted at Detroit a few years back.

Technically they are just selling you their used and "slightly modded" Yaris' so I don't think Toyota could say much either way.

[Thirty-Nine]

Wow--very interesting!

[freeridelectric]

Hi all.

Thanks for your interest. Sorry I was remiss in getting back to this board. I will get pictures soon. I replaced the battery in my camera yesterday. I have a helmet cam for my dirt bike I was using for video but have had problems uploading it. Thanks again. Ray.



That seems pretty neat, and cool that you took a chance on new technology. :clap:

I wonder how they can get away with re-branding name brand cars. Do they have permission from Toyota etc.?

Thanks cali yaris. I believe the way they get around this is the vehical is purchased in my name. Once I own it I can tear it up and use it as a fish bowl if I want.:biggrin: Sorry I thought that was funny. I will tell you they took the Yaris embloms off.

Do you have any close up pictures of the inners? Curious to see where and how they stashed everything

I will get some and take some asap. Thanks for your interest. For now here is a thread with some pics of my car and info on my car. http://www.evalbum.com/1892

course if the goal is to save money a used Yaris is only a few grand ...

Yes. Yes it is. My Yaris was more expensive than I would like but it sure is fun. I am glad I have it.

I forgot about that thread... congrats on getting it, post some pics of it completed!

I will take some as I just purchased a new lithium battery for my camera. The old one broke. Kind of Ironic. :frown:

I can only see this as a daily local driver.
Congrats on getting it.

A friend and I went to the beach, charged 6 hrs and returned. 160 miles round trip over the coastal range. The car sounds like a jet turbine when cruising at 55 mph.


yeah i remember that thread. By the way do you have any under hood pics?

Gonna get them ASAP.

+1 on the pics - I'd really like to see some good shots of how they mounted things under the hood and mated the engine to the tranny, as welll as how and where they mounted the batteries.

http://www.evalbum.com/1892

As Bill the Cat used to say in the funny papers, "ack ack ack"...

You can buy a HOUSE for $42k in this economy!!! No way would I pay for that a car, "green" or not... Of course, if gas goes up to $30/gallon, then it would make fiscal sense, but unless and until that happens, no thank you.

I think in this economy $30/gal for regular is a ways away yet.

42 G's for get it i can get 2 to 3 yaris with that..

Hey Marcus I remember you from the first thread. Where is Bailout and Chinocharly? Well somthing like Chinocharley anyway? That Bailout guy was the real deal when it came to explaining reasons for obtaining an electric Yaris.

I don't think his goal was to save money. I think the OP has an interest in the technology and the money to spend to support it. I commend him 100%.

I am like everyone else and wish I had more money. I just had to have this car. I am a car freak. I like it. I like being diffrent. When and if batteries become cheap everyone will own one.

Yeah thats exactly how i felt. if only we had someone like him for the PE supercharger :laugh:
Cant wait for pix of this yaris!

I own an 01 Corvette. No super charger but it goes pretty fast.:smile:

post #2 - no answer yet. Anyone else have thoughts on how they can re-brand a name brand car?

Sorry I am kind of slow. Thanks for your interest.

I think it is kind of like the repli-cars, where parts of one vehicle are being purchased to make a different vehicle. In this case it's the opposite of the repli-cars, where the body is scrapped and the frame and drive train are used.

Toyota will let you do anything once you pay them the money. They won't warranty it if you mess it up to bad.:wink:

I assume they have a deal with Toyota considering they buy them from Toyota directly. I remember reading about the deal they had with the original producer of their sports car model back when they debuted at Detroit a few years back.

Technically they are just selling you their used and "slightly modded" Yaris' so I don't think Toyota could say much either way.

Guess that works too.

Wow--very interesting!

[Thirty-Nine]

I see you're in Portland, too! I sent you a private message, FYI.

[cali yaris]

^ yeah you gotta get this up on your site!

[CTScott]

Thanks for the link. The pictures of the conversion process are very interesting. I can understand the cost with how well the system is integrated. I've seen $12K conversion kits, but there is quite a bit of work that goes into the conversion and typically there is quite a bit lacking with integration.

[cali yaris]

how does the A/C work in an electric car?

[CTScott]

how does the A/C work in an electric car?

Scroll compressor can be spun with an electric motor. Both heat and AC make a significant dent in run time on EV's.

[firebird1999us]

42 G's for get it i can get 2 to 3 yaris with that..

Yeah that's the thing with all of this stuff for me...for one it's very counterproductive as a consumer at the moment because even though you don't have to pay for gas, how long would it take me to recoup the costs of paying $13k for my Yaris new in fuel? Like 20 years?:iono:

I applaud the move in the direction...but it's still way to early for me to adopt. As is probably the case for most people right now.

[Kal-El]

So you really paid $42,000???

Let's see, that's about a $28,000 premium over a standard Yaris.

At today's gas price of $1.90/gal, $28K could buy 14,736 gallons of gas.

Averaging around 36 mpg in a regular Yaris (as most people do), that $28K worth of gas will take you....

530,496 MILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OUCH.

[firebird1999us]

So you really paid $42,000???

Let's see, that's about a $28,000 premium over a standard Yaris.

At today's gas price of $1.90/gal, $28K could buy 14,736 gallons of gas.

Averaging around 36 mpg in a regular Yaris (as most people do), that $28K worth of gas will take you....

530,496 MILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OUCH.

Yeah, but in terms of early adoption that's actually not that terrible a price. And gas will likely be right back up at $4 a gallon gain this summer anyways.:iono:

[ztrack157]

This is just like the Prius thread I had before the hack. The initial price out weighs any possible economic recovery. He said he hopes it lasy 1500 cycles or 150,000miles. Then it will need new batteries. Plus any other servicing it may need. Hes says he has glitches. Hmm. $42k later as well jeez I know hes trying to be eco friendly and make a statement and its a cool concept but my god this was a poor purchase for how much it cost you. A guy in the San Franscisco area did something similar to his car with much better results than what you are reporting. Either way its your money this was obviously an economic want and certainly not a need.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Nice to see this thread back. Good job.

[freeridelectric]

how does the A/C work in an electric car?

I wish I knew more about how stuff works on this car. The company that built it was very proprietary about it's components. I posted what was in the manual on the EV Album website. I am taking it to it's first OEVA (Oregon Electric Vehicles Association meeting tomorrow night maybe they can tell me more?

Scroll compressor can be spun with an electric motor. Both heat and AC make a significant dent in run time on EV's.

The heat is made with radiator fluid via a insta hot heating mechanism that circulates it through the existing heater core.

Yeah that's the thing with all of this stuff for me...for one it's very counterproductive as a consumer at the moment because even though you don't have to pay for gas, how long would it take me to recoup the costs of paying $13k for my Yaris new in fuel? Like 20 years?:iono:

I applaud the move in the direction...but it's still way to early for me to adopt. As is probably the case for most people right now.

The thing that is counter productive is the oil companies and the big three auto or small three auto corporations conspiring to keep any technology from being massed produced that is counter productive to the revenue stream they receive from pedaling oil and ICE to the masses.

This car is very inexpensive to build. The lithium-ion polymer batteries comprise approx 20,000 dollars of the conversion.

I drive a 4 wheel drive, 4 door Silverado for my commute before this Yaris. At 3 dollars a gal it will take me 7 years to break even. The batteries don't just die but do loose range.

So you really paid $42,000???

Let's see, that's about a $28,000 premium over a standard Yaris.

At today's gas price of $1.90/gal, $28K could buy 14,736 gallons of gas.

Averaging around 36 mpg in a regular Yaris (as most people do), that $28K worth of gas will take you....

530,496 MILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OUCH.

What great is I don't have to fund a war from two sides. My gas so to speak is produce domestically.

Yeah, but in terms of early adoption that's actually not that terrible a price. And gas will likely be right back up at $4 a gallon gain this summer anyways.:iono:

You are right. I know of people in the OEVA that have spent 20,000 dollars and built the car them selves with acid lead batteries. They have a usable range of 20 miles as you should not deplete acid lead batteries more than 50% or you cut the life span of them. This also is with a used car valued at approx 5000.00 dollars.

I figured why not spend 21,000 more and have a new more usable car that will go 100 miles per charge and I didn't lift a finger. Having said this I do admire the guys who build there own.

This is just like the Prius thread I had before the hack. The initial price out weighs any possible economic recovery. He said he hopes it lasy 1500 cycles or 150,000miles. Then it will need new batteries. Plus any other servicing it may need. Hes says he has glitches. Hmm. $42k later as well jeez I know hes trying to be eco friendly and make a statement and its a cool concept but my god this was a poor purchase for how much it cost you. A guy in the San Franscisco area did something similar to his car with much better results than what you are reporting. Either way its your money this was obviously an economic want and certainly not a need.

Perhaps the price right now out ways the economic recovery. Things change if batteries are massed produced and patents are not able to be purchased by Chevron-Texaco in order to be set on a shelf so they can sell more oil and gas prices rise which sooner or later is inevitable then this will be economically feasible.

You would have said that the first computers were a poor choice for how much they cost. The first computers were big, did little and cost much. Good thing someone early adopted them.


Please by all means provide me with a thread or site that says how the guy in San Francisco's car is superior. I would like that.

Talk about glitches. When I purchase my Silverado new in 05 the thing stranded me 3 times and would not start 3 more times at my house in the first 6 months. After the third time I told the service writer to replace the battery. He said what if that does not fix the problem? They were looking for a draw on the battery. Any way a few tows and rental cars later they did replace the battery. They called a week later and said they continued to bench test the battery and after a week the battery discharge on it's own. So it was a bad battery. They spent millions of dollars on refining the ICE cars and they still have plenty of glitches of there own. My electric yaris as never stranded me. I have pulled to the side of the hwy and rebooted the computer to get moving again but I fixed that when I nearly electrocuted myself.:biggrin:

Nice to see this thread back. Good job.

Thanks Lazagna. This is fun.

Here are some pics.

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[Tamago]

will someone explain how it's better for the environment?

[freeridelectric]

will someone explain how it's better for the environment?

Electric cars do not directly emit pollutants like the hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides, carcinogens, or carbon dioxide spurred by all internal combustion engines. However, since much of the power grid that recharges an electric car burns large percentages of fossil fuels, they can indirectly pollute.

When comparing the emissions of a conventional gasoline vehicle to that of an electric car on a miles-travelled basis, the EV will always have far less emisisons, even when the local grid is fueled entirely by coal, the dirtest of fuel sources.

More importantly, the electricity that powers electric cars can be created from many diverse sources, including renewable ones like hydroelectric power, geothermal energy, tidal power, solar electric and wind energy

http://evworld.com/fasttrack/index.cfm?show=myths

Hope this helps.

[Tamago]

Electric cars do not directly emit pollutants like the hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides, carcinogens, or carbon dioxide spurred by all internal combustion engines. However, since much of the power grid that recharges an electric car burns large percentages of fossil fuels, they can indirectly pollute.

When comparing the emissions of a conventional gasoline vehicle to that of an electric car on a miles-travelled basis, the EV will always have far less emisisons, even when the local grid is fueled entirely by coal, the dirtest of fuel sources.

More importantly, the electricity that powers electric cars can be created from many diverse sources, including renewable ones like hydroelectric power, geothermal energy, tidal power, solar electric and wind energy

http://evworld.com/fasttrack/index.cfm?show=myths

Hope this helps.

so basically i'll need to first move to an area where i know the electricity is being made "cleanly" before i can brag about saving the environment?

and what happens when the batteries need to be replaced? how much damage will be done during the "recycling" process?

[cleong]

That housing you've made to house the LCD status screen for the motor system - I think it would be the perfect housing for a GPS, or for installing a set of gauges into. Cast up a mold and start popping them out!

[CTScott]

That housing you've made to house the LCD status screen for the motor system - I think it would be the perfect housing for a GPS, or for installing a set of gauges into. Cast up a mold and start popping them out!

I was thinking the same thing. I am still trying to figure out how/where to mount my GPS and have been thinking about buying an extra drivers glove box cover to monkey with. That molded piece would be even better - If you could get it before the LCD hole is cut, you could make the appropriate cut-outs for whatever you wanted to mount. In my case, I'd have one for my TomTom GPS, and one for my iPhone, with brackets inside that allow you to pop them in and out at will...

[mikenacarato]

i think its awesome someone here as an electric yaris! although the price to pay is high right now, it will only come down in time. great job and screw the haters!

[cali yaris]

Another advantage to electric is that the power is made centrally, where emissions can be cleaned up before being distributed to individual cars.

I applaud this guy -- he obviously has already thought through every criticism that was posted here (yawn) and has made his choice. Forward-thinking, USA innovation -- bravo. (coming from a guy driving a Toyota).

[freeridelectric]

so basically i'll need to first move to an area where i know the electricity is being made "cleanly" before i can brag about saving the environment?

and what happens when the batteries need to be replaced? how much damage will be done during the "recycling" process?

Frequently Asked Questions: Electric Vehicle
Electric Cars and Coal Power Plants
Yes, electric cars have no tailpipe emissions. They produce no local pollution or carbon dioxide, but they aren't entirely pollution-free, especially if they are recharged from an electric power grid that burns significant quantities of fossil fuels like coal.

So, are they any better than a normal gasoline car? Absolutely.



For starters, in terms of carbon dioxide emissions, they generate a fraction that expelled by a normal gasoline engine car. For every gallon of gasoline burned, approximately 22 pounds of CO2, an important global warming gas, are created. If a car gets 25 miles a gallon it will emit 22 pounds of carbon dioxide over that distance, as well as other pollutants. By comparison, an electric car may travel the same distance consuming 5 kilowatt hours (kWh) of electric power at a rate of 200 watt hours/mile. Assuming the local grid is 100% coal-fired, roughly 5 lbs of coal would be consumed to create that 5kWh. Depending on the grade and carbon content of the coal, one kilowatt hour creates approximately 1.4 pounds of CO2. That's 7 pounds of CO2 vs. 22 pounds to travel the same 25 miles. But recall that the power grid isn't entirely coal-fired; it includes hydroelectric, natural gas, nuclear and a small, but growing segment of renewables.

But what about other pollutants, aren't today's cars significantly cleaner? Yes they are and getting more so all the time, which is good. But so is the power grid, at least in terms of many criteria pollutants, if not CO2. And as more wind and solar electric power is added to the grid, and older, more polluting power plants are decommissioned, the grid can get cleaner, though it will still take citizen awareness and pressure, especially in the light of the fact that hundreds of coal-fired plants plan to be built around the world in the come decades, to ensure the very best technology is used, including carbon sequestration if we plan to continue to utilize coal.

Electric Car Economics
If you can travel 25 miles on 5kWh of electric power, that means it cost you something like 40 cents to cover the same distance (@ 8 cents/kWh) it takes a gallon of gasoline at $2 and $3 a gallon at current (2006) prices. And if you recharge your electric car from solar panels, like many EV owners in California do, your per mile costs are even less and the payback period on your solar panels dramatically shorter because now you're replacing not relatively cheap grid power, but increasingly expensive gasoline. In the process, you're helping the environment and saving yourself a lot of money for decades to come.

Electric Car Battery Pollution
But what about all those batteries and the pollution they cause, especially when the cars are recycled?

Well, it turns out that if the batteries are NiMH, the nickel has economic value, like the lead in conventional starter batteries. They can and are being recycled, but even before they reach that point, there is a strong probability that EV batteries will find a second life as electric power storage for the grid. While their useful life in cars may end at 100,00 or 150,000 miles, they still can perform useful roles in providing businesses and homes with electric back-up or peak-shaving services. Only after that will they end up being recycled.

Lithium ion batteries don't currently appear to have the same commodity metal value as nickel, but they too can find useful second lives and their manufacturers contend that they when properly disposed of they will not present any environmental hazard, certainly not like that associated with older, heavy metal chemistries like lead and cadnium.



That housing you've made to house the LCD status screen for the motor system - I think it would be the perfect housing for a GPS, or for installing a set of gauges into. Cast up a mold and start popping them out!

I didn't make it but yes it still can be use as a clove box. HBT put a reset switch, off switch, and a key hole in there.

i think its awesome someone here as an electric yaris! although the price to pay is high right now, it will only come down in time. great job and screw the haters!

I like to listen to everyones opinion.

I was a oil man all my life until gas went to 4.25/Gal with no end in sight. I could pay the price of gas at 8/gal but I did not like there being no alternatives in sight. I did not like oil corps making huge profits while telling me how they are helping me in their commercials. How they are inventing new ways to drill and how geen they have become. Mixing the truth in with the lies. :mad:

I would rather support this American company HBT and the Koreans since that is where the batteries came from and not OPEC. Though I am pretty sure it is South Korea not North Korea where the batteries come from.

This technology has been kept from you all by a select few.:frown:

Another advantage to electric is that the power is made centrally, where emissions can be cleaned up before being distributed to individual cars.

I applaud this guy -- he obviously has already thought through every criticism that was posted here (yawn) and has made his choice. Forward-thinking, USA innovation -- bravo. (coming from a guy driving a Toyota).

Yes Cali, good point, it is much easyer to monitor one big smoke stack as appose to millions.:smile:

[cali yaris]

think of the savings and reduced toxicity of not producing and recycling or disposal of catalytic converters alone.

[freeridelectric]

think of the savings and reduced toxicity of not producing and recycling or disposal of catalytic converters alone.

I hope they recycle cats but :iono:

Think about how complex a transmission and gas engine is. All those moving parts. Think electric car. Few moving parts even the transmission on my car has one speed and is a third size of a regular Yaris trans.

I still think car companies will always continue to market the ICE for service and repair revenue streams for as long as people can be duped into buying them. The only thing making the electric car cost prohibitive is the batteries. They love marketing Hybrids as they are even more complicated than just a regular ICE. Hybrids are at least a proving ground for better, lighter, more efficient batteries.

Having said the above I do admire the Yaris with it's little dependable, gas sipping ICE. I think it is amazing how car manufacturers make all these systems run together in unity and yet relatively dependable.:bow:

[freeridelectric]

Hey Astroman thanks for the heads up on your swaray at the Luck Lab. Sorry I missed it I was out of town and found out about it to late.

Well the E Yaris has a gear box leak. Trans fluid is bleeding out of it at a fairly good clip. Not very environmentally sound. The gear box never shift it is one speed.

ET phone home... EV go home... It is being shipped back to NC. From Oregon that is a long way. It is warranty work so I don't have to pay for it.
It will go a 100 miles at 55 and then needs charging. Since it is going back to where it was built I am inquiring about more batteries that would give it closer to a 200 mile range. 100 mile range is pretty good until I want to go dirt bike riding or snow skiing. Really a 100 mile range will cover about 90% of my driving if planned right. There aren't many places to plug in unless you know some one when you arrive like say at the coast.

This is what happens when your on the bleeding edge of technology. It has had other issues. The techs have flown out from North Carolina three times but this repair is to big for them to under take in my garage. They must remove the gear box and motor and put some gaskets in the gear box. The little EYaris has 6,700 miles on it since I brought it back from NC in mid January.

They wanted to know where the trans fluid was coming from so I put it up on jack stands and made a video using my motorcycle helmet cam. The leak is coming out a hole where the motor mounts up to the gear box. The motor is to the left of where it is leaking. Thread below.

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l446/Freeridelectric/th_Yarisleektake5.jpg (http://s331.photobucket.com/albums/l446/Freeridelectric/?action=view&current=Yarisleektake5.flv)

[1NZYaris1]

Ouch ,it bleeds as well as sounding rather noisy too .:eek:

[TinyGiant]

what does it cost per month for the electricity you use charging it? better than the gas cost?

[freeridelectric]

Ouch ,it bleeds as well as sounding rather noisy too .:eek:

Yes it is a little noisy more so because I tried to take off one of the half shafts because originally I thought it was leaking from there. When I attempted that I pushed one of those thin sheet metal shields into the brake rotor and didn't figure out where that noise was coming from for a day or two.

Having said that the gear box is louder than on a regular manual transmission I think but I have not ridden in a manual transmission Yaris yet. I think there are quieter gear boxes out there and hopefully more dependable. Mine is the T 1200 from Solectra.

what does it cost per month for the electricity you use charging it? better than the gas cost?

My electric bill has increased buy about $20 dollars per month. It cost about $1.60 to go a 100 miles. Electricity is relatively cheap here in the northwest.

[TinyGiant]

thats pretty good .. it cost like 2.60 to go 35-40miles via gas.


too bad the cost of the car is high..

have you considered solar paneling the roof for extra oomph?

[freeridelectric]

thats pretty good .. it cost like 2.60 to go 35-40miles via gas.


too bad the cost of the car is high..

have you considered solar paneling the roof for extra oomph?

Yes the high cost is for the Lithium ion polymer batteries. The motor, gear box, motor controller are about $11,500. The batteries $18,000. The car $15,500. It is only a two seat-er too. The safety hwy commission would not let them put a back seat in, it has all the cargo room of a regular Yaris. Other components for the heat and air cond. also cost money, let alone the labor to remove ICE parts and put in Electric parts. There is a Nissan scheduled to come out the middle of 2010. It is a 5 passenger well 4 adults vehicle with a hundred mile range. The Nissan is more refined than my car as it is a oem car built from the ground up as a EV not a conversion. As a OEVA
board member I got to test drive it. It was very quiet compared to my car (gear box) for around $30,000. It qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit.

In the winter time January my record range is 114.7 miles on one charge. Today I went 143 miles. 80% at 55 mph. The batteries must like the heat, tempature was around 90-95 degrees today. With the air conditioner on for about 70% of the time. It is broke in now with 6,800 miles on it.

The truck driver called today and said he would pick it up tommarow to go back to NC. Looks like it's back to V-8's. Either the 4-door 4wheel drive 05 Silverado or the 01 Corvette or 99 1-ton Chevy cargo work van. Ahh back to oil.:frown:

They put solar panels on the newest generation Toyota Prius. All the panels can run is a fan to keep the interior of the car cool when not in use if it is parked in the sun. They say much energy via the air cond. is used to cool the car when it is very hot and left parked in the sun. (Green house effect) The fan is suppose to keep it cooler so the air cond. does not have to work so hard when returning to operate the car after being parked in the sun. Also you wont burn yourself on the seats if you are wearing shorts.

I will miss the Yaris. :brokenheart:

[ellenbetty]

Since I do not have access to a place to charge a electric vehicle, I will just have to stick to gasoline powered Yarises for now. For $42,000 I could trade in my Ford Escort. Then I could trade in my dead brother's Ford Ranger. Next I could buy 2 Yarises to cut my gasoline CO2 emissions in 1/2. With the money left over I could put a white roof, with 2 inches of hard foam installation, on my Mom's home, where I live, to cut our home related CO2 emissions in half. O yes I already did that. LOL. Sorry to hear you are heart broken missing you Electric Yaris. At least I have the comfort of my second Yaris when my first Yaris needs to be put into the shop for the first time. ;)

It will be interesting to learn how much it will cost Toyota to build the Hybrid Yaris. It will be interesting to learn how much Toyota plans to sell each Hybrid Yaris. Then we will know if your Electric Yaris is as good a deal, CO2 wise, and cost wise, as a Hybrid Yaris.

[scape]

i'm for +1 on hybrid, but not the setups being sold at the moment!

to make ICE more efficient is to completely absolve the driveline componentry. call me crazy, but a generator plugged in instead off that stuff, plus an engine being driven at best efficiency torque powering up electric AC motors is much more efficient, granted expensive up front- it is much, much more efficient than an engine with some joe behind the wheel plucking away at the throttle.

[freeridelectric]

Since I do not have access to a place to charge a electric vehicle, I will just have to stick to gasoline powered Yarises for now. For $42,000 I could trade in my Ford Escort. Then I could trade in my dead brother's Ford Ranger. Next I could buy 2 Yarises to cut my gasoline CO2 emissions in 1/2. With the money left over I could put a white roof, with 2 inches of hard foam installation, on my Mom's home, where I live, to cut our home related CO2 emissions in half. O yes I already did that. LOL. Sorry to hear you are heart broken missing you Electric Yaris. At least I have the comfort of my second Yaris when my first Yaris needs to be put into the shop for the first time. ;)

You did the white roof but the 2 inches of hard foam went in the walls right? Or did the foam go on the roof too?

I would like to have another EV for when the E Yaris has difficulties. Hopefully it will run trouble free now. I have a order in to get one of the Nissan EV's in the fall of 2010 before they become available to the public. It is a fleet type thing for businesses, a program involving the DOE.

It will be interesting to learn how much it will cost Toyota to build the Hybrid Yaris. It will be interesting to learn how much Toyota plans to sell each Hybrid Yaris. Then we will know if your Electric Yaris is as good a deal, CO2 wise, and cost wise, as a Hybrid Yaris.

The Hybrid Yaris will be sold in europe from what I understand. Hopefully it makes it to the US. It will be more inexpesive than the Prius I am pretty sure.

i'm for +1 on hybrid, but not the setups being sold at the moment!

to make ICE more efficient is to completely absolve the driveline componentry. call me crazy, but a generator plugged in instead off that stuff, plus an engine being driven at best efficiency torque powering up electric AC motors is much more efficient, granted expensive up front- it is much, much more efficient than an engine with some joe behind the wheel plucking away at the throttle.

They have some examples of a small efficient turbine as a generator for parallel hybrids.