turbo project continued...

[cali yaris]

Since my tC is now available to me, the Yaris was committed to the shop for the next few weeks (or so) for the major engine revisions we've been planning, courtesy of Arthur at Horizon Motorsports.

Bye bye stock wiring, and A/C -- guess I'm committed now, eh? :eek:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/wiring-1.jpg

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/wiring-2.jpg

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/wiring-3.jpg

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/wiring-4.jpg

[kou]

nice is that the new motor in there.

[cali yaris]

nope, not yet, we may do a 2 step process and get the stock wired up and tuned, work out the bugs, then swap and retune -- OR we'll get really excited and just go for the built motor.

Also new -- Art put a custom Perrin fuel rail on the built motor, so we can have a return line.

[1NZYaris1]

:eyebulge: HhhMmmm :drool: :smoking: :burnrubber:

[PETERPOOP]

Time to show those thailand boys what's up!

[TOUGEghost]

Cali, if you're not going to use your stock harness, want to sell/donate it to me?

[1NZYaris1]

Cali, if you're not going to use your stock harness, want to sell/donate it to me?

:rolleyes: And can i have your old engine :biggrin:

[eTiMaGo]

you sure don't waste time :biggrin: :thumbsup:

[cali yaris]

here's the new motor with the new coils and uncompleted wiring harness.

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/head-coils.jpg

[m911gt]

dibs on your t setup? :)

[cali yaris]

Today the carnage continued:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/front-end-apart.jpg

[m911gt]

it's both beautiful and hard to look at...but the ends justify the means

[cali yaris]

^ EXACTLY, I really can't look at that picture much....

going to be a hot summer without A/C... LOL

[m911gt]

^ EXACTLY, I really can't look at that picture much....

going to be a hot summer without A/C... LOL

:laugh: Well if you need to cool down, look up the current weather in 53818!

But yes, Lisa just got the pleasure of feeling strange when seeing her car "disassembled," it's a weird feeling.

[AlexNet0]

holy wiring mess batman

[yarisugi]

It looks like you had a car accident. :)

[PHXDEMON]

Can't wait to see it done. Are you planning on swapping to a different motor or just dropping in a built 1nz ?

[Arkhangel]

Off Topic

Cali you have on a hood lift strut? would that setup work on the sedan??

[eTiMaGo]

going to be a hot summer without A/C... LOL

Hahahah at least your car isn't completely black!

[cali yaris]

phxdemon, the pic of the built 1NZ motor is in post #9 and other threads as well.

we may do a 2 step process and get the stock wired up and tuned, work out the bugs, then swap and retune -- OR we'll get really excited and just go for the built motor.

arkhangel, no idea if that hood strut will fit a sedan - i doubt the angles etc are the same.

[m911gt]

Hahahah at least your car isn't completely black!

them's fightin' words :mad:

:biggrin:

[whooppee777]

Off Topic

Cali you have on a hood lift strut? would that setup work on the sedan??

No.

now back on topic

[cali yaris]

^ LOL

today Art cleaned up the rest of the engine bay. Here's a pic showing the motor -- the fuel pressure regulator is just sitting there until he figures a location for it.

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/engine-front.jpg

[id3379]

Sweetness, keep up the pics!

[PHXDEMON]

Pretty :drool:

[Tamago]

why are you doing away with A/C? it's not in the way of anything....

[cali yaris]

One less pulley + clean engine bay + weight savings.
With an electric water pump, I'll only have two pulleys on the car.

[m911gt]

looking clean Garm, keep it up!

[Tamago]

One less pulley + clean engine bay + weight savings.
With an electric water pump, I'll only have two pulleys on the car.

hmm

so you basically can't complain about no a/c then :iono:

[PETERPOOP]

that engine is wanting richard's intake manifold, i can feel it!

[eTiMaGo]

that engine is wanting richard's intake manifold, i can feel it!

+1... all that hot shiny metal, and then poof... weenie plastic manifold.. what a turnoff :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

^ yeah, no kidding, but we have some tricks up our sleeves to address that. Holdener isn't the only one capable of making an intake mani for this car.

so you basically can't complain about no a/c then

That is correct.

[rob323]

Garm, are you guys ditching the factory intank fuel pump/filter/regulator setup altogether and redoing it in the more conventional way? Or just blocking off the intank regulator and adding a return line?

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

^ yeah, no kidding, but we have some tricks up our sleeves to address that. Holdener isn't the only one capable of making an intake mani for this car.

:eyebulge: so we may see a MICROIMAGE intake manifold?

[Tamago]

:eyebulge: so we may see a MICROIMAGE intake manifold?

hopefully with a cylindrical collector instead of a rectangular box!!!

[aucorium]

what engine swop do you have planned ?

[PETERPOOP]

:eyebulge: so we may see a MICROIMAGE intake manifold?


let's hope so. and may it put down better numbers than richard's, i can dream can't i?

[cali yaris]

FEB 26 UPDATES

We spent some time with the car today, sorting out a few issues. Bought aluminum piping to re-plumb the intercooler with 2.5" piping. Re-located the intercooler in the lower grill (yes!). Located a spot for the fuel pressure regulator.

Next challenge is a cable throttle body that works and connecting to the pedal. The one I got off eBay, supposedly for an '04 matrix) doesn't fit the manifold at all.

Removed the fuel pump, bought and installed a Walbro 255, which just fit.

STOCK PUMP (about the size of a D cell battery, LOL)

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/fuel-pump1.jpg

NEXT TO A BOSCH -- THAT WILL DEFINITELY NOT FIT

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/fuel-pump2.jpg

NEXT TO THE WALBRO 255 WHICH WAS SUBSEQUENTLY INSTALLED

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/fuel-pump3.jpg

[turboecho2005]

Looking good Garm...

Can't wait to see the final build.

I like a little competition ;)

:headbang:

[Tamago]

glad u found a pump :) i was thinking walbro when you PM'd me, but just clicked on whatever first came up on froogle.

[cali yaris]

more pics from today.

Front of the motor:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/engine-front-09.jpg

COILS:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/coils.jpg

SOMETHING MISSING

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/engine-sans-ECU.jpg

FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/FuelPressureRegulator.jpg

FUEL PUMP INSTALLED (input for fuel return line in top)

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/fuelpump-installed0.jpg

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/fuelpump-installed1.jpg

[kou]

:coolpics:

[Tamago]

curious why you didn't do a fuel cell

[kou]

you might be able to bolt an older gens manifold with cable throttle.

[cali yaris]

curious why you didn't do a fuel cell

This was easy and cheaper

[cali yaris]

kou, I need a throttle body that will fit, think I could bolt up a whole 1st gen mani onto it?

I definitely have to convert to cable.

[kou]

i dont know if it fit's but the whole manifold a throttle body from an echo or xa could be a good option,they look the same.

[Tamago]

This was easy and cheaper

fuel cell, only $180 and would make plumbing MUCH easier for your return line you've added

http://performanceparts.com/part.php?partID=10799

[Tamago]

i dont know if it fit's but the whole manifold a throttle body from an echo or xa could be a good option,they look the same.

you'd do better finding a TB from a 1zzfe (pre DBW) as it's bigger

or a celica GTS pre DBW

xA TB is tiny

but i do have a spare TB and intake manifold, if you're interested garm

[cali yaris]

I'll let you know what I find, I need this resolved before next Thursday.

The '04 matrix TB did not fit, bolt pattern was too big.

[Parmas]

Hey garm well doing with your motor I like the red of your top cover. The pump is the same I will be using in my setup, I had been always told that Walbro is the best choice for fuel pump selection.

The electric water pump seems a good idea. Will add it in when I get stable in cash...

[Tamago]

I'll let you know what I find, I need this resolved before next Thursday.

The '04 matrix TB did not fit, bolt pattern was too big.

so make a thin adaptor plate? ;) after all, aren't you building an engine here?

[cali yaris]

so make a thin adaptor plate?

I will if I have to. Rather not.

after all, aren't you building an engine here?

I think that's been well established :rolleyes:

[Tamago]

I will if I have to. Rather not.



I think that's been well established :rolleyes:

so if you're going to all this hard work to build an engine, 20 mins to drill out an adaptor plate from some aluminum shouldnt' be that big of a deal? :iono:

[cali yaris]

That's easy to say for someone like you, who can easily make things. I didn't build the motor, mostly I watch and comment. If I have a bolt-on solution, I'll choose it over the extra time to make something.

Your assumption is that it's easy for anyone -- hmmm, seems like that's come up in your posts before? :wink:

[Tamago]

That's easy to say for someone like you, who can easily make things. I didn't build the motor, mostly I watch and comment. If I have a bolt-on solution, I'll choose it over the extra time to make something.

Your assumption is that it's easy for anyone -- hmmm, seems like that's come up in your posts before? :wink:

so tell the guy who's doing the work what i said :wink:

[Treyz]

Man .. I sure am jealous ... I need a new job and more $$$ lol.

[Tamago]

Man .. I sure am jealous ... I need to sell parts on the internet to kids too....


amen brotha

[Treyz]

Hahah lol ... I was like wait .. did I say that? I thought I wrote something totally different.

You know the saying though .. you need to have money to make money. I'll get there one day.

[Nexus1155]

You know the saying though .. you need to have money to make money. I'll get there one day.

I see it as you need to have little money to make alot of money, but you need to have the knowledge to do so.

there have been many times where i invested small and made out pretty good

[cali yaris]

so tell the guy who's doing the work what i said

I had to read that like 5 times - now I get it!

Sometimes you can make money with other people's money :wink:

[cali yaris]

UPDATES MARCH 1:

Relocated the intercooler where it belongs -- behind the lower grill. Now it will be fully functional:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/intercooler.jpg

Installed a multi-pin jack for the AEM in the firewall:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/AEM-jack.jpg

And installed the AEM EMS behind the glovebox:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/AEM-EMS.jpg

...next is intercooler piping and throttle body/cable/pedal.....

[Treyz]

Garm, I thought the AEM was the problem and you were looking for something else in terms of the tuning?

[cali yaris]

That was the AEM-FIC piggyback. This is the full-blown AEM EMS standalone.

$400 vs. $2000 :thumbsup:

[Crandall]

The AEM EMS is a great unit with a lot of possibilities. I have quite a few friends around here that use them with great results.

I don't know if it's been brought up in this thread or others but are you going with any improved cooling systems (Coolant or oil). If you have the car in the state it's in it would definitely be the time to do so.

[eTiMaGo]

i am tempted to suggest painting the intercooler flat black for a more sleeper look. but on the other hand as you plan to change the front bumper, you probably will want it to be quite visible :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

^ yeah, haven't decided about that yet. I've been told it doesn't work as well painted, but I'm not sure.

crandall, oil cooler for sure, and I have sent a stock radiator off to C&R for them to make me a custom one. The new one can be about 6" wider since we've removed that black plastic whatever from the left side, and all the A/C is gone including the condenser.

[Arkhangel]

^ yeah, haven't decided about that yet. I've been told it doesn't work as well painted, but I'm not sure.

crandall, oil cooler for sure, and I have sent a stock radiator off to C&R for them to make me a custom one. The new one can be about 6" wider since we've removed that black plastic whatever from the left side, and all the A/C is gone including the condenser.

i would think the paint would act as isolation so the heat wont dissipate well
could it be ionized?

[Crandall]

^ yeah, haven't decided about that yet. I've been told it doesn't work as well painted, but I'm not sure.

crandall, oil cooler for sure, and I have sent a stock radiator off to C&R for them to make me a custom one. The new one can be about 6" wider since we've removed that black plastic whatever from the left side, and all the A/C is gone including the condenser.

Nice choice on going wider. I know any of the rads for our cars right now are only the half rads and those leave something to be desired.

I wouldn't put any intercooler black especially since you live in a warm climent and would run the risk of heat soaking the intercooler. Which defeats the purpose of the intercooler to begin with. The only real time that you might want to paint it black is if you're running low amounts of boost (5ish PSI).

[Arkhangel]

Nice choice on going wider. I know any of the rads for our cars right now are only the half rads and those leave something to be desired.

I wouldn't put any intercooler black especially since you live in a warm climent and would run the risk of heat soaking the intercooler. Which defeats the purpose of the intercooler to begin with. The only real time that you might want to paint it black is if you're running low amounts of boost (5ish PSI).

Why is this??

[Tamago]

Why is this??

he's feeding misinformation.. ignore it.

[Sabretooth]

personally i have no experience with boosted applications, but if major auto makers dont use blacked out intercoolers for their evos or srt4s, for looks purposes i would assume its inferior than the silver bare metal versions out there now.

as for running low boost with a black i/c...um last i checked, boost is boost...and it really doesnt matter if your running 5 or 20, but ldoing something that lowers the efficiency of the system is going to effect its total outcome regardless.

in other words if you black out a intercooler for a low boost application. it would be just as bad using it on a high boost application. if not multiplied many times over, due to the increased need for efficiency.

[PETERPOOP]

UPDATES MARCH 1:

Relocated the intercooler where it belongs -- behind the lower grill.
http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/intercooler.jpg




Love that lower grill. Mass produce that and sell it on microimage. i'm sure many people will buy it!

[Tamago]

personally i have no experience with boosted applications, but if major auto makers dont use blacked out intercoolers for their evos or srt4s, for looks purposes i would assume its inferior than the silver bare metal versions out there now.

as for running low boost with a black i/c...um last i checked, boost is boost...and it really doesnt matter if your running 5 or 20, but ldoing something that lowers the efficiency of the system is going to effect its total outcome regardless.

in other words if you black out a intercooler for a low boost application. it would be just as bad using it on a high boost application. if not multiplied many times over, due to the increased need for efficiency.

using an intercooler in low boost applications is pretty much LOL anyway.

[Sabretooth]

well where there is a base kit, you always go up from there...personally if I'm going to shell out 3k or more for a kit, I would at least invest another 3 along with it to build the motor to handle more than just 6psi.

[Tamago]

well where there is a base kit, you always go up from there...personally if I'm going to shell out 3k or more for a kit, I would at least invest another 3 along with it to build the motor to handle more than just 6psi.

i've been on 9-10psi for about a year now, no engine problems :D

[Jerkratt]

cali keep it up

[CASTREX]

Lots of OEM intercoolers are black...! Some say a coat of paint might interfer with the heat exchange process. One thing is for sure, IF there is a difference is not significative.

Black Intercoolers = Sleeper look

Bare Aluminum = Hey look I'm turbocharged!

Godspeed has a line of black intercoolers... nice!

This will be a full blown hardcore car. So there is no much point on hiding the cooler.

Also, the car is representing a name "MicroImage" it has to be flashy!!



Looking great!!! :thumbup:

[Crandall]

he's feeding misinformation.. ignore it.

Really and how many boosted cars have you worked on? It's not miss information you know how many VW I've strapped to a dyno who don't have intercoolers a lot. Maybe it's a little different up here since we're almost at sea level and have cooler air but it might be a different case in Florida.

[Tamago]

Godspeed has a line of black intercoolers... nice!

subaru guys say the black chips off in a matter of weeks.

not nice!

[Arkhangel]

i've been on 9-10psi for about a year now, no engine problems :D

What else have you done to your engine?

[Tamago]

What else have you done to your engine?

changed the oil every 1000 miles
installed an oil cooler with sandwich adaptor and larger "truck" toyota filter

that's it.

[SurfinYaris]

sweet, keep it up garm! Make yarisworld.com wet their pants.

[PHXDEMON]

Love that lower grill. Mass produce that and sell it on microimage. i'm sure many people will buy it! +1 I would buy it.

[White Yaris]

damn garm, what a beast u got there.

[Nexus1155]

using an intercooler in low boost applications is pretty much LOL anyway.

Ehhhh, I dunno, the charge will still get hotter than normal IAT so when you used one when boosting, it just might have been enough to bring it back down to prevent det from grenading it.

Yeah, you do not want to coat the intercooler in regular paint as it will screw with the air flow not cooling the charge, they do however sell special paint for this application which if i remember is kind of pricey for what it is...

[PHXDEMON]

Ehhhh, I dunno, the charge will still get hotter than normal IAT so when you used one when boosting, it just might have been enough to bring it back down to prevent det from grenading it.

Yeah, you do not want to coat the intercooler in regular paint as it will screw with the air flow not cooling the charge, they do however sell special paint for this application which if i remember is kind of pricey for what it is...

I laughed at my dumbass friend when he used krylon to paint his radiator on his computers water cooling setup and then wondered why his processor started running 5 degrees hotter :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[PHXDEMON]

I would imagine it would make an even bigger difference with an intercooler too due to the density difference between water and air :iono: maybe powdercoating it black would be better?

[Tamago]

I would imagine it would make an even bigger difference with an intercooler too due to the density difference between water and air :iono: maybe powdercoating it black would be better?

powdercoating is even thicker than paint..

bad idea.

[Nexus1155]

hahah yeah, youre basically melting plastic onto an item, not a good idea.... its just named powdercoat on what's sprayed.

[cali yaris]

Here's another update and a round of pictures.

Fuel line return:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/march2009/003.jpg

Fuel line return, exiting the Perrin fuel rail:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/march2009/008.jpg

Other end of fuel rail, pressure regulator:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/march2009/014.jpg

xB manifold and throttle body (cable) installed.
New 2.5" piping work begins!

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/march2009/015.jpg

[Tamago]

glad to see you ditched DBW.

if at any point you need an extra intake manifold or throttle body let me know, i have a spare.

did you JBWeld an AN fitting to the top of your tank?

[cali yaris]

Thanks.

LOL @ JBWeld. It's a bulk head fitting with a nut on the inside - very secure.

[Tamago]

Thanks.

LOL @ JBWeld. It's a bulk head fitting with a nut on the inside - very secure.

just checkin ;)

[djgab101]

wow i cant wait too see how this turns out........

i want videos and dyno runs when ur done...

[cali yaris]

just checkin ;)

Thanks -- please continue to keep it real for me. (not a joke)

Remember, I only know enough to be dangerous, not do all the work. :wink:

[Tamago]

Thanks -- please continue to keep it real for me. (not a joke)

Remember, I only know enough to be dangerous, not do all the work. :wink:


i know how to do both..

i have the scars and hospital bills to prove it :(

so, may we see your manifold? i'm hoping that with all this work you're gonna do something better than a door handle.

i know a couple guys down here that do amazing manifold work if you're interested.

[rob323]

Remember, I only know enough to be dangerous, not do all the work. :wink:
It's about time you got your hands dirty me thinks :wink:.

[cali yaris]

Manifold will come a little later. The xB mani and TB will do for now; Art is making 280 whp with his built motor. Remember, we're doing this first round on the stock motor.

[1NZYaris1]

Have you thought about anodizing the intercooler black or red or maybe
even :eek: pink, Na not pink too butch for you :laugh: .
keep it up its looking real nice, have you done the electric water pump yet.

[Crandall]

Nice return line. I've been fortunate enough to work with similar stuff on a build I'm helping a friend with:)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e29/PEI330Ci/M54B30%20Engine%20rebuild/August2008-14.jpg
I didn't do the install of those lines, but you get the picture. He went above and beyond and every line is braided

By the looks if it you made the fuel rail yourself right?

[Tamago]

Nice return line. I've been fortunate enough to work with similar stuff on a build I'm helping a friend with:)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e29/PEI330Ci/M54B30%20Engine%20rebuild/August2008-14.jpg
I didn't do the install of those lines, but you get the picture. He went above and beyond and every line is braided

By the looks if it you made the fuel rail yourself right?

please please let me build your driveshaft!!!!!

[Parmas]

What turbo do you intend to put in there Garm?

[cali yaris]

I've had a GT2554R in there for 9 months. Been great fun and will serve for initial tuning @ 8-10 psi. When we switch to the built motor, I'm looking at a GT28.

Crandall, that is a Perrin rail.

[Parmas]

I've had a GT2554R in there for 9 months. Been great fun and will serve for initial tuning @ 8-10 psi. When we switch to the built motor, I'm looking at a GT28.

Crandall, that is a Perrin rail.

Well I own the GT28 and it is very tight back there. Infact I am having trouble fitting the air filter especially because of right hand drive setup.

Did you need to increase the diameter of the fuel lines because of the Walbro fuel pump?

[Tamago]

I've had a GT2554R in there for 9 months. Been great fun and will serve for initial tuning @ 8-10 psi. When we switch to the built motor, I'm looking at a GT28.

Crandall, that is a Perrin rail.

i have a turbonetics T3/T4 brand new for $700 shipped :D

[cali yaris]

^ ooh nice, I like those!

Did you need to increase the diameter of the fuel lines because of the Walbro fuel pump?

Not necessary.

[PHXDEMON]

Nice updates. Keep the pics rolling in :coolpics:

[cali yaris]

MARCH 12 UPDATES:

No new pics, but Art tells me the wiring is now 90% complete. YES!

More news Sunday night...

[Gideon]

So we'll soon have word when you'll be selling your old turbo kit you made? :wink:

[jkuchta]

This is going to be Bitchin' once it's done bro!

[cali yaris]

old turbo kit is in there for now! no changes until we swap motors.

[Gideon]

Awwwww.

[Nexus1155]

I didn't know if anything was done Cali, i was going to call you and see if i can come by to check it out, I was in Perris, CA, but i had no time on my hands :-/

[cali yaris]

Next session on the car is tomorrow. Either piping or cable/throttle is next, I would imagine.

[CtrlAltDefeat]

gah I'm so sick of the lack of Yaris love on YouTube... Can you or any one for that matter make some good turbo Yaris race videos I can use as examples?

[cali yaris]

I guess Art needed some extra wires.

Here is what's left of the stock engine wiring harness.

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/wiringharness-shredded.jpg

[eTiMaGo]

yummy rainbow spaghetti!

[CtrlAltDefeat]

yummy rainbow spaghetti!
rainbow spaghetti sounds like some marketing ploy for kids friendly pasta... or a title for a new anime... :laugh:

[PHXDEMON]

That looks like a fun mess to play with :laugh:

[cali yaris]

working on the gas pedal on Thursday - last major tech hurdle.

[eTiMaGo]

I can imagine... gonna retrofit an xA/xB one or go bespoke?

[cali yaris]

dunno, we have an xB intake manifold coupled to an xB throttle body. Just need a pedal and cable. ...might try and make the stock pedal work somehow.

[Praitaq]

This is one of the sickest builds I've seen yet. Just wish I had the $$ to do something similar to mine :p Keep up the work and make us proud!

[03Z33]

https://www.minimania.com/images/mt321000.jpg

[cali yaris]

^ uh yeah -- like that -- what is it?

[03Z33]

There are many different kinds... you just need to decide if you're running OEM style or race style... also if you want floor mount or top mount styles. You can get individual pedals or the complete gas/brake/clutch assembly.

Check out:

Wilwood
Tilton
Lokar

Jegs & Summit carry many kinds also.

[cali yaris]

thanks jeff, I'm sure we'll look into all of those. I would love to go nuts and do a whole set, but for right now, I have to be little careful -- so we'll probably look at doing just the gas pedal.

Decided to go with a GT28:

Garrett GT2860RS GT28RS Disco Potato DBB Turbo Turbocharger 250-360hp+ 0.64 A/R 739548-5

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/turbo/gt28rs2.jpg

[djgab101]

thanks jeff, I'm sure we'll look into all of those. I would love to go nuts and do a whole set, but for right now, I have to be little careful -- so we'll probably look at doing just the gas pedal.

Decided to go with a GT28:

Garrett GT2860RS GT28RS Disco Potato DBB Turbo Turbocharger 250-360hp+ 0.64 A/R 739548-5

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/turbo/gt28rs2.jpg

:drool::drool::drool:

[Tamago]

can't wait to see how you make it fit!

[cali yaris]

^ ha, it's the same housing. It's meant to be an upgrade from the GT25.

Check out Garrett's site to confirm.

[CASTREX]

thanks jeff, I'm sure we'll look into all of those. I would love to go nuts and do a whole set, but for right now, I have to be little careful -- so we'll probably look at doing just the gas pedal.

Decided to go with a GT28:

Garrett GT2860RS GT28RS Disco Potato DBB Turbo Turbocharger 250-360hp+ 0.64 A/R 739548-5

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/turbo/gt28rs2.jpg

Wise choice! You will probably make more HP per psi with this turbo...
With all your mods you NEEDED this turbo.

Perhaps you will loose a little bit of reaction but with your new top end you won't even remember about it.

You will be burning some rubber... :evil::evil::evil:

[CASTREX]

^ ha, it's the same housing. It's meant to be an upgrade from the GT25.

Check out Garrett's site to confirm.

I think it actually is a little bit larger...

By Upgrade, Garrett means that it will bolt right on the same flanges (Manifold and downpipe) but the housings size can be a little larger.

You have to make it fit however...!

[cali yaris]

yes we will, and you're right it's the flanges that are matched.

Upgrade turbocharger for GT2554R (471171-3) and GT2560R (466541-1); turbine housing flanges are outline interchangable

Dont' know yet between the .64 and .83 A/R though

[turboyaris]

yea the t25 and gt28rs are different in size. substainal, when you are talking small turbos... the gt28rs responds well in the 300zx world which is essentially a 1.5 liter since its twin turbo anyways, you should able to do just over 300whp for sure.


and as far as pedals, none are quite as bitchin as these...
http://www.tiltonracing.com/content.php?page=list2&id=8&m=b

[turboyaris]

go .64 .... .83 isn't worth the lag for the little bit of benefit they offer. the turbo is better suited with a .64

[cali yaris]

oh holy god those are sweet:


http://www.tiltonracing.com/images/3ped.jpg

[Tamago]

if you're doing all that, please get a stack steeringwheel

[cali yaris]

whazzat? pictures are good for a newb like me.

[Tamago]

whazzat? pictures are good for a newb like me.

https://store.nexternal.com/bimmerworl/images/ST8600_340.gif

[Crandall]

oh holy god those are sweet:


http://www.tiltonracing.com/images/3ped.jpg

We have a set of Tilton's in the BMW. Great item, great build quality, well worth the money.

[cali yaris]

you guys are frigging going to cost me a lot more money... dammit! in a good way... :smile:

[eTiMaGo]

your car deserves only the very best!

[Crandall]

you guys are frigging going to cost me a lot more money... dammit! in a good way... :smile:

:biggrin: Just be thankful you have people around who know what quality parts look like. You might have issues mounting the peddle setup if you're not modifying your interior at all. In all likeliness you'd have to loose a small portion of the botton of the dash, but if that doesn't bother you then DO IT!

[rob323]

If the Yaris is anything like the echo in the brake pedal department, it is fairly easy to modify the existing pedal and install a dual master cylinder balance bar setup. And no need for a booster either. But you will have to redo all the brake lines, and I wouldn't even bother if you have ABS.

[CASTREX]

Did that came out of a fighter jet or something? :eek:

https://store.nexternal.com/bimmerworl/images/ST8600_340.gif

[Tamago]

nope

but i've considered one.

it actually is a good deal if you consider what it does, AND still steers the car ;)

[Nexus1155]

LOL Garm, are you going to be running in a 24 hour circuit and stripping your car down to bare metal when you run that steering wheel?

Data acquisition is nice to have, but ever in an emergency and needed to grab on that area for some reason say goodbye, that is unless you are a go-kart and have full lock to lock steering in half a turn and would never need to turn that much?

[cali yaris]

UPDATES MARCH 19:

Had a lot of fun with Art working on the cars today. We took out his turbo mani from the xB so he could repair/weld a crack it developed. Art got more of the IC piping done.

Then I mounted the AEM air/fuel gauge, next to the Autometer gauges I already had. Came with a white face option, nice match. It's actually the same size as the others.

Hole saw FTW:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/gauges.jpg

Then we removed the gas pedal. The spacing isn't quite the same as the xB (cable pedal), but if I can find an xB pedal with the cable and bracket, we are good to go with a spacer to align the holes.

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/pedal.jpg

[yaris-me]

You put the gauges on the glove box. Smart!:cool:

[cali yaris]

ha, thanks. I knew I wasn't going to use that space for anything else.

[m911gt]

ha, thanks. I knew I wasn't going to use that space for anything else.

yeah, it's not often you'll need gloves in California ;)

[cali yaris]

UPDATE MARCH 22:

Piping's coming along :thumbsup:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/piping.jpg

[eTiMaGo]

my, my, my... taking shape quite nicely!

[Sabretooth]

I cant wait to see a final product, my buddy just got back his Eclipse GS-T from the shop, its been there for a year between the buying of parts, rebuilding and beefing up the motor, and all the custom work to get the piping and stuff perfect for the car. It is not tuned and it is a HUGE difference so far, only 7-8lbs on the stock GS-X ECU, but its a pretty little thing, hes going to be using it as a Daily Driver at 14lbs. Were now doing a betting pool at work on how much HP tuned the car is going to have...lol

Just after seeing his car and riding in it, I wish I had the time and money to start putting together a turbo kit, or just swap the F'ing motor already.

Sorry, not to try and threadjack, which I dont think I even came close, lol

[Parmas]

UPDATE MARCH 22:

Piping's coming along :thumbsup:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/piping.jpg

Hey garm I am wondering that the turbo is facing right (looking from the engine bay). I think this way you needed to make longer piping to get to the inlet of intercooler. Do you have any other pics without the front bumper showing more the routing of the piping?

[CASTREX]

His intercooler has the inlet and outlet on the same side (right) That is the trick behind this piping set up!
Is a vertical flow unit.

Actually this way he has the shortest possible pipe routing...

I guess that is one of the good things from turbotoyotas original design.

[cali yaris]

^ Castrex is correct

[PHXDEMON]

sweet updates :burnrubber:

[cali yaris]

I guess that is one of the good things from turbotoyotas original design.

hehe, re-reading your post. The TurboToyotas kit I bought did not come with piping, but because of the intercooler configuration, it was kind of obvious what routing would be optimum.

In this newer version, the piping is all increased in size, and the filter is now at the top, instead of near the ground (that was NOT a good design the first time!)

[Parmas]

That intercooler is a good route you went to although it is not suitable for me since the turbo is facing in the opposite direction!

Do you have any pics of the back engine were the turbo is situated etc...?

[cali yaris]

no pics back there, but I will take some soon.

[LtNoogie]

Other end of fuel rail, pressure regulator:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/march2009/014.jpg

Garm,

What is the fuel pressure that your pump is capable of putting out?

[cali yaris]

They aren't rated for pressure, they are rated for LPH (liters/hour), and the horsepower they are capable of producing.

This is what I have -- Walbro in-tank 255:

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/vpn-gca719-2_w.jpg

[cali yaris]

UPDATES 3/29

Now we have an xB pedal, which means the throttle-by-cable challenge is solved.

xB pedal > xB cable > xB throttle body > xB intake manifold. :thumbsup:

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/xb-pedal.jpg

FIREWALL PASS-THROUGH

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/xb-pedal-2.jpg

XB THROTTLE BODY

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/xb-pedal-3.jpg

[at3GG]

oh my my my.....it hurts to wait!

[cali yaris]

tell me about it! ...should be nearing the home stretch now!

[at3GG]

its killing me just to have to wait for pictures/videos. It must be hell on you Garm!

[jkuchta]

Lookin' really good Garm! This thing is going to be a real sleeper!

[TOUGEghost]

UPDATES 3/29

xB pedal > xB cable > xB throttle body > xB intake manifold. :thumbsup:


Does that xb manifold bolt right up without modification?

[m911gt]

bolts right up, but i don't believe it clears everything in the bay without modification.

[cali yaris]

Bolts right up and clears everything just fine. look at post 163.
m911gt, maybe you are referring to the exhaust mani?
We have way more room up front than the xB does; their motor is forward about 3-4"

[ added two more pics of cable set up ]

[White Yaris]

:biggrin: so exciting to watch this thread. Keep going...

[at3GG]

whats the benefit of the xb manifold anyway? Better flow or something else?

[cali yaris]

The manifold allowed us to bolt on the xB throttle body. Easiest way to convert to cable.

Will do a custom mani + larger TB later.

[PHXDEMON]

The manifold allowed us to bolt on the xB throttle body. Easiest way to convert to cable.

Will do a custom mani + larger TB later.

I would assume because of the angle of the TB it made routing for intercooler piping a little bit easier as well :iono:

[at3GG]

The manifold allowed us to bolt on the xB throttle body. Easiest way to convert to cable.

Will do a custom mani + larger TB later.

ahhhh forgot about that pesky cable. Heh ...FrankenYaris :bow:

[cali yaris]

^ yeah no kidding!

phxdemon - yes, the xb throttle body comes straight out of the intake mani, no angle -- nice and neat. :smile:

[cali yaris]

UPDATES 4/2

Lookie what came in yesterday. GT2860 disco potato, .64 A/R

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/GT28.jpg

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/GT28-2.jpg

Need to install it, mod the AEM for VVTI and we are pretty much ready to fire it up!

[eTiMaGo]

wheeeeeeee pshh! wheeeeeee pshh! Getting ready for it... :biggrin:

[CtrlAltDefeat]

wheeeeeeee pshh! wheeeeeee pshh! Getting ready for it... :biggrin:

hehe waiting anxiously for videos :headbang:

[at3GG]

holy everything ...this is actually going to happen.....and soon..

[supmet]

wheeeeeeee pshh! wheeeeeee pshh! Getting ready for it... :biggrin:

after I read that post, I just made that noise in my head about 20 times looking at the turbo.... :drool:

[Parmas]

Manifold will come a little later. The xB mani and TB will do for now; Art is making 280 whp with his built motor. Remember, we're doing this first round on the stock motor.

Hey garm I don't know if I understood this post.... are you making all this on a stock 1NZ? How much boost do you consider to use?

What about that 280whp motor of Art? Do you have any details on it?

[PETERPOOP]

On the first page he says this is the stock motor still. He has the built one on the side. They are going to use the stand alone on the stock one, tune it, get everything figured out, and then put the built motor in eventually. I think?

[Parmas]

On the first page he says this is the stock motor still. He has the built one on the side. They are going to use the stand alone on the stock one, tune it, get everything figured out, and then put the built motor in eventually. I think?

Why not using the built motor from the beginning?

The only purpose I could understand is to know how much a stock 1NZ could perform. When the stock motor hit its limits he will put the built motor? But maybe only garm can inform us exactly his intensions!

[CASTREX]

This car will be amazing..... The ultimate Yaris, period.

Don't thinkt that even in japan they have something similar...

I want to see a video of this car on the track....

Both on a straight line on in the course.

[PETERPOOP]

Why not using the built motor from the beginning?

The only purpose I could understand is to know how much a stock 1NZ could perform. When the stock motor hit its limits he will put the built motor? But maybe only garm can inform us exactly his intensions!

Yah, I think he's going to run it until it blows or just decides to put the built motor in. I don't really get it either? but who cares what I think, he's the one with the greatest yaris on the planet.

[cali yaris]

you guys are too kind!

The idea is this. The built motor is brand new, has not ever been run or broken in.

I want to tune the car on the stock motor at 8 psi, and make sure we have reliable boost, fuel, air, no leaks, and a decent base map. THEN we will swap for the built motor and break it in properly (2000 rpm for 20 minutes, change the oil, etc etc).

I know it's a little bit of double work, but I'm not willing to break in an expensive stroked, ported/polished, built motor on an untested fuel and management system.

Art's xB has about the same motor I have. We are hoping that his AEM map will serve as a base map for me.

[PETERPOOP]

That is a smart plan. Can't wait! You are our idol.

[Parmas]

you guys are too kind!

The idea is this. The built motor is brand new, has not ever been run or broken in.

I want to tune the car on the stock motor at 8 psi, and make sure we have reliable boost, fuel, air, no leaks, and a decent base map. THEN we will swap for the built motor and break it in properly (2000 rpm for 20 minutes, change the oil, etc etc).

I know it's a little bit of double work, but I'm not willing to break in an expensive stroked, ported/polished, built motor on an untested fuel and management system.

Art's xB has about the same motor I have. We are hoping that his AEM map will serve as a base map for me.

Just a curiosity garm... what power do you expect the stock motor can output with the setup you are building? And after you swap with the built motor, what are you going to do with the stock motor?

[Sabretooth]

Lets start the betting game on how much WHP Garm can get out of the stock engine, proper tune that is...

I say 203whp

Lets make it a contest for a $50 Microimage gift card...lol j/k

[Parmas]

Lets start the betting game on how much WHP Garm can get out of the stock engine, proper tune that is...

I say 203whp

Lets make it a contest for a $50 Microimage gift card...lol j/k

I hope the best for garm especially because it is running with many parts I already own like the garrett turbo, the walbro 255 and ofcourse the 1NZ!

I wish you reach high power on stock (at most 200Bhp) imagine then the power of a built 1NZ!

Good LUCK my friend! :thumbup::headbang:

[cali yaris]

stock motor will be sold or set up with ITB's as a beastly N/A project.

[AlexNet0]

^ did you have forged rods in your old one? I may need them... oh and you should PM me with the price of one of those little kits we discussed before..

my bet on best tune is 215

Other than my rambling above, AWESOME prject so far, i cannot wait to see the results

[cali yaris]

^ did you have forged rods in your old one? I may need them...

no.. it's stock.

[eTiMaGo]

dudes.... the goal is 300whp and knowing Garm, he won't quit till he reaches it :wink:

[jkuchta]

My bet is 315 AT THE WHEELS....then he'll need larger diameter wheel studs!

[Sabretooth]

oh no, im guessing 203whp on the stock motor...

His built one I guess will have 325whp

[cali yaris]

^ I think the question is how much she'll make with the stock motor, before the swap.

I tell you what, after the initial tune, when we swap motors, I WILL run a poll with a prize for the final number on the built motor.

[Parmas]

Hey garm I am still not understanding why you upgraded the throttle body and intake mainfold to that of the xB?

[cali yaris]

The xB is a cable throttle, the Yaris is drive by wire (electronic throttle). To use the AEM standalone management effectively, we needed to change the throttle to cable.

Plus, I really LIKE throttle by cable, super responsive and tunable. :thumbsup:

[Parmas]

The xB is a cable throttle, the Yaris is drive by wire (electronic throttle). To use the AEM standalone management effectively, we needed to change the throttle to cable.

Plus, I really LIKE throttle by cable, super responsive and tunable. :thumbsup:

Is the throttle body diameter of the XB equal to that of the yaris? Is there any other differences in between and why the XB is cable throttle and the yaris by wire, is there any purpose?

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

Here is what I know about cable throttle bodies vs drive by wire systems:

Cable throttle:
-Very responsive and has been used for many decades.
-Connected to the gas peddle by a series of pulleys.

Drive by wire:
-Smooth acceleration.
-There is also noticeable lag when you press on the gas peddle because the computer has to tell the ECU how much the throttle has to open; not as quick as good 'ole cable throttle.
-Take a look at the gas peddle on a Yaris. Notice anything? There is a box to which a peddle sits in, connected to some electronics which lead to the ECU.
-When you drive over some speed bumps and you press on the gas peddle a little bit, the car wouldn't jerk or move violently in the event of sudden acceleration. This is meant for driving comfort.

[Parmas]

Here is what I know about cable throttle bodies vs drive by wire systems:

Cable throttle:
-Very responsive and has been used for many decades.
-Connected to the gas peddle by a series of pulleys.

Drive by wire:
-Smooth acceleration.
-There is also noticeable lag when you press on the gas peddle because the computer has to tell the ECU how much the throttle has to open; not as quick as good 'ole cable throttle.
-Take a look at the gas peddle on a Yaris. Notice anything? There is a box to which a peddle sits in, connected to some electronics which lead to the ECU.
-When you drive over some speed bumps and you press on the gas peddle a little bit, the car wouldn't jerk or move violently in the event of sudden acceleration. This is meant for driving comfort.

THanks for your reply it is something that I didn't consider.

So if I consider to upgrade to cable throttle what parts exactly I need and how can I know if the ecu supports this feature?

[cali yaris]

what ECU do you mean? The stock ECU will not handle DBC

[eTiMaGo]

Parmas, are you sure you don't already have a cable throttle? As far as I know the echos/first gen yaris didn't have drive by wire yet...

[LtNoogie]

They aren't rated for pressure, they are rated for LPH (liters/hour), and the horsepower they are capable of producing.

This is what I have -- Walbro in-tank 255:

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/vpn-gca719-2_w.jpg

What is your Walbro's flow rated at?

Nevermind. I just saw...255 lph.

[cali yaris]

UPDATES 4/6:

The GT28 turbo is installed, replacing the GT25. The AEM a/f gauge is wired.

Just some piping and then modding the AEM box for vvt-i and we are ready to fire it up.

[m911gt]

Excellent, best of luck Garm!

[LtNoogie]

Garm, did you size your fuel pump based on the HP you expected to output or did you just select the largest one they offered of that type?

[CASTREX]

THanks for your reply it is something that I didn't consider.

So if I consider to upgrade to cable throttle what parts exactly I need and how can I know if the ecu supports this feature?

You already have the throttle by cable!!!

[Carvin'07]

Garm, did you size your fuel pump based on the HP you expected to output or did you just select the largest one they offered of that type?

That is the largest that Walbro makes. IIRC, there are many Bosch pumps that flow enough fuel for much more stupid amounts of power, but they are much wider and will not fit the spot in the stock tank (picture is back a couple pages). Plus their low pressure performance is crap.

In any case, the Walbro 255lph pump is still capable of flowing TONS of fuel, in fact for over 500 whp. There are other constraints such as the filter, lines, rail, etc that limit it.

[cali yaris]

^ can't add to that, great answer.

[Carvin'07]

^ can't add to that, great answer.

The bill is in the mail. :wink:

[CASTREX]

Garm, did you size your fuel pump based on the HP you expected to output or did you just select the largest one they offered of that type?

The Walbro 255 is pretty much the standard pump that everybody uses and capable of supporting lots of power.

Is good quality and cheap...

There are not that many options in regards to flow capacity....

If you are making anything from 100 hp to 500 hp a Walbro 255 will work for you. You don't really need to match the pumps preassure capacity to your fuel needs. That is the job of the FPR.

You only need to worry to have a pump that will supply enough fuel... and since a Yaris will never push 500hp and walbro is all you ever going to need...

[cali yaris]

and since a Yaris will never push 500hp

c'mon man, just give me more time... :biggrin:

[AlexNet0]

anything new and exciting?

[cali yaris]

piping is done, just need to mod the AEM for vvti and we're ready to start playing

[LtNoogie]

Is this the fuel rail you are using?

http://www.perrinperformance.com/products/show/281/Fuel-Rail?category=7

[scioncrew]

yes sir but you mite have to change the fuel inlet fitting.

[cali yaris]

Here's a pic with the piping all done. The new 15 lb Braille battery leaves enough room for the air filter (which used to be down at the bottom of the bay, not good!). Battery tray is gone.

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/piping-done.jpg

[eTiMaGo]

tight! :biggrin:

[at3GG]

words fail me...

[AlexNet0]

ooh, pretty.

[cali yaris]

^ the pipes will be when we yank the motor :wink:

[Gideon]

So... from what I'm seeing here, it looks like I should buy a Braille battery for my turbo kit! I like how that's piped. :biggrin:

[CtrlAltDefeat]

ahhh so beautiful... when it's done I might have to take a trip to cali... (from indiana :eek: )

[PHXDEMON]

Piping is flawless. I'm so jealous. :wub:

[A-tron]

Holy hell that looks hot.

[cali yaris]

thanks guys - I'm jealous of anyone driving their Yaris at this point -- but she will live again soon, I trust...

[eTiMaGo]

thanks guys - I'm jealous of anyone driving their Yaris at this point -- but she will live again soon, I trust...

says the guy driving a monster 443whp tC :rolleyes: :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

hoping to have some news today...

[PETERPOOP]

good news? bad news?

:)

[Fluid Motorsports]

good news? bad news?

:)

He is starting the car from what I know.

Congrats Garm on a job well done.

[blacksandiegovitz]

hoping to have some news today...

Me too...:iono:

[m911gt]

looking amazing Garm, well done to you and your mech.

[cali yaris]

wellll.... dammit, no start today. Everything seems to be wired up correctly, but the coils aren't delivering a spark. One more (hopefully?) hurdle for Art to work through - OFFICIALLY OVER MY HEAD... hehe... :wink:

It was actually nice just to sit in my car today, even if I wasn't being much help... :smile:

[Nexus1155]

awww man i was hoping for a video atleast!

[cali yaris]

AEM is providing some guidance, maybe changing a few resistors... until next progress report, then....

[eTiMaGo]

wellll.... dammit, no start today. Everything seems to be wired up correctly, but the coils aren't delivering a spark. One more (hopefully?) hurdle for Art to work through - OFFICIALLY OVER MY HEAD... hehe... :wink:

It was actually nice just to sit in my car today, even if I wasn't being much help... :smile:

well I'm sure you got to turn the wheel and make vroom vroom noises, better than nothing :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

"pshhh pshhh" :wink:

[33OH]

wellll.... dammit, no start today.


:cry:

[jkuchta]

Damned "1"'s and "0"'s........this car is a few key strokes away from slowing down the Earth's rotation!

[SweetRS]

here's the new motor with the new coils and uncompleted wiring harness.

http://www.microimageonline.com/images/garm/motor/head-coils.jpg

where did u get that aem oil cap????

[cali yaris]

AEM? :smile: Actually I think that one belongs to Art.

[SweetRS]

AEM? :smile: Actually I think that one belongs to Art.

Do we have the same thread as a honda, theres more choices for honda oil caps than toyota, but if its the same ill be happy....

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

where did u get that aem oil cap????

i got 2 of those sitting around and their discontinued from toyota i believe.

[cali yaris]

AEM oil caps are made by AEM, not Toyota.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

AEM oil caps are made by AEM, not Toyota.

:clap: but one on your car is also from scion accessories(xa/xb) that are now defunct. thought you would know that already:thumbdown: