So how 'bout that Ecometer by Auto meter?

[ezhacker1]

This gauge looks neat http://www.autometer.com/ecometer/ Wonder what controls the bar lighting up, throttle position? for a pure hypermilling standpoint id get it, its a shame the KIWI MPG is having issues from reviews i read, good compareable price and has check engine tool.


Get it here for cheapest price so far: http://www.fixthisride.com/showproductdetail.jsp?prod_id=233052

[daf62757]

There was another post about this same device. One member attempted to order it, but then had his money refunded because the device simply wasn't available.

[ezhacker1]

first i heard about this device was a thread about the Yaris reviewed on mpgomatic.com

http://www.mpgomatic.com/2009/05/01/2009-dodge-challenger-se-ecometer-better-mileage/ Seems like a cool device.

[CTScott]

SodiumDuck and I both ordered them back in March. I got a call the next day from the place we ordered them from saying that they didn't actually have them in stock and that they didn't know when the would. I spoke to the manufacturer and they said that it was still in the final phases of development and would hopefully be shipping by the end of April. I ended up buying a used ScanGauge instead, but the ecometer, although less functional, has a bit more style.

I just checked with JEGS (who I buy a lot of parts from) today and they actually have 12 of them in stock ($69.99 each).

http://www.jegs.com/i/Auto%20Meter/105/9100/10002/-1?CT=999

[ezhacker1]

yup i saw that it was available now, that's why wanted to see if anyone has one.

[roxy1]

this was posted in a yaris review thread a little while ago. he has it in the drivers side cup holder. (right around the 1:00 mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W4tEW2nVhY&feature=related

[NJBob]

They have a one page .pdf file with the very simple install pics. Wow, what a great gadget for cheap, eh? If you have an Adobe reader, here's the file link. --> http://www.jegs.com/InstallationInstructions/100/105/105-9100.pdf

[MPC Motorsports]

Scangauge II does the same thing and lots more for twice the money.

[NJBob]

Here's a great YouTube video of how the gadget works. Ecometer! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O05xscPhG5c)

[orangepeels]

i am definitely ordering one of these.

[R2D2]

I just ordered one of these from Summit Racing-74.95 shipped (Happy Father's day to me !). I'll report back after I get to try it out. One thing that really appealed to me was the fact this includes a digital tach for those of us with non S trim.

[orangepeels]

One thing that really appealed to me was the fact this includes a digital tach for those of us with non S trim.


That was kind of the selling point for me. I read up a little more and found that it has 4 settings. One for instantaneous mpg, average mpg, digital tach, and digital speedo. All 4 settings have the mpg bars that light up on the edge.


es lyke...pretty cool for $69 + s/h =O =P

[ezhacker1]

That was kind of the selling point for me. I read up a little more and found that it has 4 settings. One for instantaneous mpg, average mpg, digital tach, and digital speedo. All 4 settings have the mpg bars that light up on the edge.


es lyke...pretty cool for $69 + s/h =O =P


thats good than you get Tach reading with eco bars. Hoping for good reports.

[brody9981]

SOLD!!! I will also report back once I recieve mine and give it a thorough test.....I'm gonna order from Jeg's tonight!

[NJBob]

I'll wait here.....it looks cool. I want one. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/blackeye/lookaroundlightblue.gif

[R2D2]

Got my ecometer today! I only had the oportunity to drive about 20 miles but my initial experiences have been very favorable.
Install was all of 60 seconds. I plugged it into the OBD connector and mounted it on the driver's side A pillar. The wire I tucked in along the trim,down the side of the dash. When you turn on the key it does it's thing and that's it.

The display is very easy to read despite it's small size and the brightness is adjustable. I was quite amazed how many bars on the ecoguage I could eliminate WITHOUT losing any speed on hills, etc by letting up on the accelerator a notch or two (fewer bars=higher mpg). You can even see the affect of a cold engine on fuel economy.

It's kind of fun to crest a hill, let off completely and watch DFCO get you 160 mpg+ lol!

TBD is the accuracy of the avg mpg reading which I'll update on later. I'm optimistic given what I've seen so far and it can be adjusted if necessary.

Very pleased so far!

Note-In my post above I typo-ed the price-it was actually 79.95 inc S/H. Sorry!

R2

[ezhacker1]

R2D2. thats great to hear. I was wondering at first how it would be accurate without telling it some engine and tank data. How is the Tach. side of it doing? have you used it conjuction with the mpg bars?

[YarisSedan]

Scangauge II does the same thing and lots more for twice the money.

Well the thing about this one is 90 percent of poeple buy scangauge for only what this thing does not really for the other stuff its just a bonus. Plus this is much easier to read.

[orangepeels]

ooo i havnt received mine yet =(. But according to fedex tracking, i should have it tomorrow!

[R2D2]

Ezhacker1,

Apparently certain vehicles do require some input to calibrate the meter but the Yaris isn't one of them.

There are instructions at the end of the manual for checking and adjusting accuracy.

My hunch is it will prove reasonably accurate since it uses actual sensor data to derive it's figures. Bottom line is if it shows me the cheapest throttle position it'll be worth it. My brain definately likes the ecograph concept-it's easier to react to more/less bars than a number.

I was shocked at the cost of mpg due to acceleration and low engine temp!

From what I saw the tach seems very quick and accurate. I was actually turning more rpms during most driving situations than I would have guessed. It always sounds like it's idling around lol.

I'll update later today after I get some more driving time with it (I'm gonna make sure I get more than 20 miles in today, lol).

Orangepeels when you get yours, let us know what you think.

R2

[daf62757]

Got my ecometer today! I only had the oportunity to drive about 20 miles but my initial experiences have been very favorable.
Install was all of 60 seconds. I plugged it into the OBD connector and mounted it on the driver's side A pillar. The wire I tucked in along the trim,down the side of the dash. When you turn on the key it does it's thing and that's it.

The display is very easy to read despite it's small size and the brightness is adjustable. I was quite amazed how many bars on the ecoguage I could eliminate WITHOUT losing any speed on hills, etc by letting up on the accelerator a notch or two (fewer bars=higher mpg). You can even see the affect of a cold engine on fuel economy.

It's kind of fun to crest a hill, let off completely and watch DFCO get you 160 mpg+ lol!

TBD is the accuracy of the avg mpg reading which I'll update on later. I'm optimistic given what I've seen so far and it can be adjusted if necessary.

Very pleased so far!

Note-In my post above I typo-ed the price-it was actually 79.95 inc S/H. Sorry!

R2

What is the A pillar? Your comments have made me decide to order one. Thanks!

[R2D2]

What is the A pillar? Your comments have made me decide to order one. Thanks!

Sorry, I'm a FF/Paramedic and throw these terms around all the time. The A pillar (or A post) is the roof support closest to the front of the vehicle- i.e., the strip that runs from the back of the front fender along the side of the windshield and holds the roof of the car up. All these columns are lettered as you move back B, C etc. I mounted my ecometer to the plastic trim about eye level on the driver side. How do I post a pic?

If I can figure it out I'll post one.

I just drove about another 75 miles and I really like this thing-it's kind of fun to see how high you can keep the numbers up. I'm still really surprised at how wind, hills, even the quality of the road surface can effect fuel milage.

Now I see why some people call them "game gauges"! :)

Liking it very much so far, no complaints.

R2

[ezhacker1]

Sorry, I'm a FF/Paramedic and throw these terms around all the time. The A pillar (or A post) is the roof support closest to the front of the vehicle- i.e., the strip that runs from the back of the front fender along the side of the windshield and holds the roof of the car up. All these columns are lettered as you move back B, C etc. I mounted my ecometer to the plastic trim about eye level on the driver side. How do I post a pic?

If I can figure it out I'll post one.

I just drove about another 75 miles and I really like this thing-it's kind of fun to see how high you can keep the numbers up. I'm still really surprised at how wind, hills, even the quality of the road surface can effect fuel milage.

Now I see why some people call them "game gauges"! :)

Liking it very much so far, no complaints.

R2

This sure beats that Kiwi MPG thingy, at the same price. Tho that one has engine codes, this has RPM. Lets see how the avg. mpg gauge fairs when its time to fill up. +1 For being a pioneer.

[toast]

Wow, I ordered mine from Summit yesterday and got it this morning... +1 to those folks. Just like R2 said, you plug it in and it's ready to go. I've only driven about 5 miles, so I have no idea about the mpg accuracy yet, but the spedo function is dead on and the tach seems good. It's not obnoxious looking and it's easy to read so I'm happy. I've got it mounted underneath the temp control on the center electronics console. The gauge comes with some nice heavy duty velcro and the gauge face can be rotated so it can go anywhere. I was able to just tuck the wire behind the trim and you can't see any wire or the the mount. Very cool toy.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=161&pictureid=1157

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=161&pictureid=1158

[daf62757]

Sorry, I'm a FF/Paramedic and throw these terms around all the time. The A pillar (or A post) is the roof support closest to the front of the vehicle- i.e., the strip that runs from the back of the front fender along the side of the windshield and holds the roof of the car up. All these columns are lettered as you move back B, C etc. I mounted my ecometer to the plastic trim about eye level on the driver side. How do I post a pic?

If I can figure it out I'll post one.

I just drove about another 75 miles and I really like this thing-it's kind of fun to see how high you can keep the numbers up. I'm still really surprised at how wind, hills, even the quality of the road surface can effect fuel milage.

Now I see why some people call them "game gauges"! :)

Liking it very much so far, no complaints.

R2

Thanks! Appreciate the feedback!:thumbsup:

[ezhacker1]

this thing is sounding better and better, need more info after one of you guys gets to fill up.

[NJBob]

R2D2..to post a pic make sure you post it via "Go Advanced" the button to the bottom right of the body of your post. Above the body of the post is a paper clip. Hit it. It will ask you to "Browse" your files for the pic. Select it then hit "Upload". Then "Close". That should do it. :wink:

[orangepeels]

well i got my ecometer today. Installation was a breeze. Its not actual velcro, but very similar. Its mounted on my a-pillar.

When i first tested it out, i checked to see if the mph mode was in sync with the car...it was =D. Then i played around with the instantaneous mpg and average mpg. All work well, and i can see myself saving a lot of gas in the future by playing with the green bars and such. RPM mode works great, but i dont see myself basing my shifts off engine rpm. Ive gotten used to shifting at certain speeds and its working out great for me. There is very little to no lag when revving the engine in rpm mode. There are more features to it than the 4 modes though....

In instantaneous mpg mode you can set a target mpg that you would like to reach up to 50mpg. I thought this part was pretty cool. After averaging 33mpg city/highway mixed, i set my target mpg to 35. Ill probably set it to 40 mpg at some time, but we gotta take baby steps!

In rpm mode you can see the highest rpm you have taken your car too, not that useful but pretty cool.

In mph mode you can see the highest speed you've gone, again not that useful but pretty cool.


All in all i can say that this was a good purchase. Recommended to people who are looking to change their driving habits in order to save money on gas.

Ill take pictures and scan the instruction manual for you guys tomorrow (or when i have time)

[roxy1]

curious how accurate this is for rpm's.

what rpm's for 60 mph (auto vs manual)
what rpm's for 70 mph (auto vs manual)

[R2D2]

Here's a quick pic of my install, sorry about the quality. Snapped it with my Blackberry after I couldn't find my digital camera but I guess it'll work. Thanks, NJBob!

orangepeels, thanks for the additional detail, I get typing and next thing I know I've left things out... Well said on your part.

Toast, thanks for the pics.

roxy1- I'll try to note the rpm tomorrow at 60 and 70 mph with the torque converter locked up.

[bronsin]

So exactly how does this thing tell you your mileage? Whatsit measuring? Is this the same thing as the Lie-O-Meter the Prius has? I want to know if it really works before I buy one.

[R2D2]

bronsin,

The idea of the ecometer is to give you instantaneous mpg both in number and in a graph that shows relative efficiency of your current mode of vehicle operation so you can tune your driving style for the best economy. It also has a digital tach, tracks you average mpg until reset (up to 300,000 miles!), and has a digital speedo function. See orangepeels informative post above for more features.

I'm certain this will help save gas-whether or not the avg mpg reading is reasonably accurate or not remains to be seen. So far I'd have to say it's looking pretty good. Either way I'll probably always calculate it out the old fashoined way, but it would be nice if it was close.

This gives me an easy to install digital tach without any permanent modification to the vehicle so it's already a good deal in my opinion without the other features. I have the AT so I really don't NEED a tach at all, but I've always had them and feel like somethings missing without one. If it helps me save gas and does a few other things too-bonus!

Stay tuned -there are a few of us trying these out and we'll let you guys know so you can hopefully make a reasonably well informed buying decision.

[bronsin]

I'll be listening. But it sounds like a glorified vacuum meter to me. I would like it if it measured the flow of gas in the gas line and compared it to the odometer.

[ezhacker1]

nice bonus features. Keep the info coming.

[orangepeels]

Ive had the ecometer on my car for about half a tank. The average mpg on the ecometer said 38 mpg. When i filled up today, i divided total miles traveled on trip a by the amount of gas put in.... 35 mpg. Seeing as how 35 mpg was my set target on the ecometer, i think it has already improved my mpg's in just half a tank....before it my average mpg was 32-33 mpg. 35 mpg is an all new high for me.


I have reset trip A and the average mpg on the ecometer. I have also set my target mpg to 40 mpg. We shall see come next fill up =D.

Just some advice before anyone else decides to purchase this. The ecometer itself will not improve your mpg. In order to improve your fuel economy, you must use the ecometer to adjust your driving habits based on the graph on the gauge and the instantaneous mpg shown.

Also, while the digital tachometer was the selling point for me, i do not think i will be using it at all. The instantaneous mpg mode is a lot more appealing to me, now that i have had time to play with it. I do not base my shifts on engine speed(rpm), i have become used to shifting at certain speeds and its working out great.

Roxy1, since i havnt been using the tach mode on the ecometer i havnt been able to see what the RPM's are at when cruising at 60 or 70 mph. But while on the freeway today, i was cruising at 80 mph @ 5th gear, if i remember correctly the tach was reading 3.5, or 3500 rpm.


My car...
2008 yaris 3dr with the 5 speed manual.


edit: also, while cruising on the freeway on a downhill grade, with my foot off the gas the instantaneous mpg went all the way to 200 mpg...DFCO ftw?

[ezhacker1]

does the memory keep track of avg. mpg, max rpm, max speed. even when the display isnt displaying that particular mode? Like im using inst. mpg, the avg. mpg will silently be tracking.

[orangepeels]

does the memory keep track of avg. mpg, max rpm, max speed. even when the display isnt displaying that particular mode? Like im using inst. mpg, the avg. mpg will silently be tracking.

...yes :biggrin:

[ezhacker1]

the only thing that would make this thing perfect is to have check engine codes. Maybe even remaining fuel/miles

[R2D2]

Hey orangepeels,

I'm in the same boat-I'm now so glued to the instantaneous mpg I hardly ever use the tach-but I like knowing it's there :)

Roxy1,

I ignored the ecograph a bit and did the best I could to get a tach reading at 60 and 70 today. Best I could tell in a heavy rain and traffic (AT in 4th with converter locked up) was 2970 @ 70 and about 2450 @ 60. I'll try again under better conditions when I get a chance. The tach should be dead on if I do my job correctly as it gets its rpm info right from the obd 2.

Now I see why ridge riding is such a popular hypermiling technique-tried it out today in the rain. This stuff is addicting.

R2

[roxy1]

Hey orangepeels,

I'm in the same boat-I'm now so glued to the instantaneous mpg I hardly ever use the tach-but I like knowing it's there :)

Roxy1,

I ignored the ecograph a bit and did the best I could to get a tach reading at 60 and 70 today. Best I could tell in a heavy rain and traffic (AT in 4th with converter locked up) was 2970 @ 70 and about 2450 @ 60. I'll try again under better conditions when I get a chance. The tach should be dead on if I do my job correctly as it gets its rpm info right from the obd 2.

Now I see why ridge riding is such a popular hypermiling technique-tried it out today in the rain. This stuff is addicting.

R2

thanks. i guess i was wondering if this and the scangauge would come up with the same rpm's. pretty close i think.

[Sodium Duck]

Sorry, I didn't see this post... whoops.

I made a thread this morning, it has a site selling it for $59 + shipping. For me shipping was $10, so $69 total.

Can't wait to get mine, I think I'll be mounting either in front of the clock (and remove the clock from the pod), or behind the steering wheel.

[CTScott]

Sorry, I didn't see this post... whoops.

I made a thread this morning, it has a site selling it for $59 + shipping. For me shipping was $10, so $69 total.

Can't wait to get mine, I think I'll be mounting either in front of the clock (and remove the clock from the pod), or behind the steering wheel.

For that price I think I'll have to order one from them (again)...

[CKaelin]

Is this not just like a scan guage but cheaper?

[Sodium Duck]

Kind of. The Scangauge II can do much more than this gauge. This is a very basic gauge for those only interested in fuel economy.

That Scangauge can clear codes, tell temps, etc. But it is more money.

[orangepeels]

finally got some time to take a pic...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/mrchocpudding/DSCN0247.jpg


if anyone wants me to scan the manual let me know.

[Sodium Duck]

I'd like to see it. Mine prolly won't be in for a while.

[Cosworth]

I just ordered one. Can't wait to try it out.:thumbup:

[R2D2]

I filled up today. Avg fuel economy on ecometer read 42.1. Calculated the "old fashioned way"= 40.79. Pretty close, I think. In defense of the ecometer, I installed it after I had already driven some on this tank, so that may have affected the accuracy-I'll compare again next fill up (which will probably take a while). :) BTW, despite more city type driving than usual, this is my best tank so far by over 2 mpg.

orangepeels and others,

have you had any more opportunities to compare the avg. mpg to calculated mpg? Just curious- I think it will prove relatively close, with time. Thanks!

R2

[YarisSedan]

Well ive noticed with the ecometer it only calculates into its adverage while you are moving. It dosnt put into calculation the gas used when you are sitting in stop and go traffic and at stop lights. For example if you turned your ecometer on and drove on the freeway at 50mph and it shows your adverage at 60mpg. But then when you get home let the vehicle idle for 12 hours till your tank is empty and go fill up. Its not going to adverage 60mpg more like 2.

I can say though it does really well in helping train you to drive to the optimum fuel efficiency. I was getting about 28-32 adverage on my daily commute. Which consist of stop and go traffic driving. Now this fill up ive managed to hit 36.7 mpg. Which i never had. I am hopeing during the weekend when i go more freeway driving. I can make a adverage of 40mpg weekely. Since it will be a mixture. if i had a commute of almost all freeway i dont see it difficult of adveraging 50mpg. Even though i have a automatic sedan.

[ezhacker1]

It dosnt put into calculation the gas used when you are sitting in stop and go traffic and at stop lights. For example if you turned your ecometer on and drove on the freeway at 50mph and it shows your adverage at 60mpg. But then when you get home let the vehicle idle for 12 hours till your tank is empty and go fill up. Its not going to adverage 60mpg more like 2.

im confused, being that if you idled till empty, and only put in say 60miles on that entire tank, then wouldnt it make sense if the avg be way small like 6mpg filling at 10gal?

[YarisSedan]

Actually scratch my last post i was sitting at a stop light watching my adverage mpg it was at 37.2 and then it just dropped to 37.1 so i guess it takes into account all the times you are not moving as well. Pretty acurate then.

[ezhacker1]

so its close enough to calculation at fillup then?

[Sodium Duck]

http://www.fixthisride.com/showproductdetail.jsp?prod_id=233052

$59.37 + $8.46 = $67.83

Yay! I had a problem with my credit/debit card and ended up having to cancel my original order with Phantasm. Now I get it cheaper.

[ezhacker1]

ill get this very soon, but still want to see what owners say about the accuracy at fill up for mpg. Im glad i didnt get that kiwi mpg tho... ;)

[YarisSedan]

I am starting to really love my ecometer. My adverage mpg is 39 this time and i do more of a 70 percent traffic stop and go commute and 30 percent freeway. The best i have ever had in my car in the whole 15k miles ive owned it. I find myself looking at it less and less now as my foot is trained to just lightly feather the gas pedal. Only thing the slight feathering is really putting a strain on the heel of my foot at times. I think cause there is hardly a counterweight you need almost float you foot on top of the pedal with no pressure.

[toast]

Just did my first tank fillup since installing the ecometer. The gauge said avg mpg was 40. Actual mpg was 39.7. Amazingly close for out of the box. I'll have to keep an eye on it, but you can adjust the calibration if you find it's running too high or too low. It will just take me a while as I don't put too many miles on in a week.

[ezhacker1]

im totally sold on it then

[Cosworth]

Well, still haven't received my ecometer. I ordered it from Phantasm on Wed (6/17). They said it was in stock at the time when I called. Now, they tell me they just got them in today (6/22/Mon). So, I probably won't get it until this weekend. This blows!

[Sodium Duck]

Mine will be here on the 29th! Yippy Skippy.

[bronsin]

It would be interesting to see the contrast between cruise control and foot power cruising on the interstate at the same 75 mph.

[gammaray]

Hey all, didnt go through the intro board. My first post. Actually been through so many, with so many vehicles....just had to pass. Anyway, bought an 09 Yaris, and installed this gauge. Love it. Without a doubt this thing will pay for itself soon. Gas mileage on this car is insane....by the way. :thumbup:

[gokartride]

Any favorite mounting locations that are easy??? I'd like to be able to remove the gauge from my car from time to time. Why??? Well, after hypermiling for the past two years in my previous car (and seeing 42-46 mpg in city driving) it sometimes just gets exhausting being "on" all the time. I think I'd prefer to check in w/ the gauge every so often and then remove it, although having that gauge present really does help keep one focussed.

[daf62757]

Got mine today...sort of a self birthday present to myself. Hooked up easy enough. My only question is, how do you mount it? It has a open bottom...at least mint did, and nothing to mount it on. Where there supposed to be a base that came with it? There wasn't one in the box.

I am very suprised at the difference my old driving habits have on this gauge. I just drove to the store and there is an education in using this gauge. Today is the first day for the rest of my life!

[R2D2]

Gokartride,

I really like having the ecometer on the A post. A quick glance left from my normal sight path allows me to view the gauge easily. Also, after you plug the unit in you can quickly tuck the wire behind the door trim for a clean install. The industrial fasteners shipped with the unit are like plastic velcro and you can remove the unit easily.

R2

[R2D2]

Daf62757,

There should be two small rectangular shaped pieces of industrial fastener in the box. Place one half of the fastener on the small rectangular platform inside the hollow area of the base on the ecometer, and the other on the vehicle where you wish to mount the unit (after cleaning the surface with alcohol). There should also be a trim ring that fits around the perimeter of the ecometer base that conforms to the surface the ecometer is mated to- this gives a nice "flush" appearance. Then just join the fasteners by lining them up and pressing the ecometer firmly to seat them. Mine has held very well.

Hope this helps!

R2

[gokartride]

Good to know...thnx!! I may hafta get me one of these someday!!!

[gammaray]

Any favorite mounting locations that are easy??? I'd like to be able to remove the gauge from my car from time to time. Why??? Well, after hypermiling for the past two years in my previous car (and seeing 42-46 mpg in city driving) it sometimes just gets exhausting being "on" all the time. I think I'd prefer to check in w/ the gauge every so often and then remove it, although having that gauge present really does help keep one focussed.

I mounted mine just a bit to the right and slightly behind the driver dash vent behind the cupholder. It is angled toward the center point of my body. This position leaves very little wire exposure as well. Maybe I can get a pic soon. And you can remove it at any time, you will just have to look at a small rectangle adhesive base.

[gammaray]

I mounted mine just a bit to the right and slightly behind the driver dash vent behind the cupholder. It is angled toward the center point of my body. This position leaves very little wire exposure as well. Maybe I can get a pic soon. And you can remove it at any time, you will just have to look at a small rectangle adhesive base.

Pic.

[gokartride]

I'm wondering if...for perodic use...one could use something like one of those foam cup inserts and mount it directly in the driver's side cup holder. This way it could be removed from the car easily. Does the process for plugging it into the OBDII port make this approach impractical? I wore myself out hypermiling in my last car, but I would like to check now and again.

[daf62757]

I'm wondering if...for perodic use...one could use something like one of those foam cup inserts and mount it directly in the driver's side cup holder. This way it could be removed from the car easily. Does the process for plugging it into the OBDII port make this approach impractical? I wore myself out hypermiling in my last car, but I would like to check now and again.

You could do that. I remember one guy put his GPS unit on a stack of hockey pucks and then used the cup holder so what you are suggesting would be about the same concept.

[daf62757]

The more I use the ecogauge, the more I starting to realize what factors come into helping with better gas mileage.

First, hills take away from gas mileage while flat ground greatly aids in higher mileage. The cruise control also costs more gas...but mainly when climbing slight hills over a long distance.

It all appears to be a trade off of one over another. You can go fast and get OK mileage, but much better mileage without the air or cruise. You can get super mileage downhill, but it helps to disengage the cruise and "feather" the car down the hill.

This is a wild device. I am really happy I got it and it has already changed my driving habits!

[R2D2]

Dave,

I agree this is a great tool-I am very pleased with my purchase as well.

My compliments to Auto Meter for producing such an effective, economical, and user friendly device.

R2

[gammaray]

Agreed. Great purchase. I really enjoy it.

[Cosworth]

I got mine on Friday... just in time for a long-distance trip over the weekend.

With the ecometer, I was able to get 51.43 mpg over 320 mi (95% hwy/5% "city"... hwy cruising speed was 75% @ 55-65 mph, 25% @ 65-75 mph). A/C on for 80% of the trip (off when going up hills).

This device let me better gauge when to go easy on the accelerator.

:thumbup::thumbup: Good stuff.

[ezhacker1]

just got mine yesterday, damn Fedex guy threw it over our fence and didnt ring the doorbell or anything. i put 40 miles of freeway on the tank before i plugged it tho. I learned alot in the 40 minutes of city driving of today. I wish you didnt have to cycle through the gauges and instead go left or right to them. Cant wait to fill up.

[R2D2]

Glad you guys got em.

Cosworth, nice numbers. Were you able to compare the ecometer's avg mpg to "an old fashioned" calculation at fill up? Just curious how close it was. TIA

R2

[Sodium Duck]

Temporarily mounted mine behind the steering wheel, but in front of the glove box on the steering wheel shroud. It's nice, but I don't like how obstructed it gets while the wheel is turned. I think I may screw it to the side/toppish of the gauge cluster.

Very awesome thing to have, I just pounded the streets for five minutes with it and love it.

[ezhacker1]

you guys notice the lag time, from when the car is stopped till the gauge reads 0 inst. mpg? like a few seconds for me. I wonder how instantaneous it really is to how you move your foot.

[Sodium Duck]

I don't notice any lag time -- at least not seconds long.

[Cosworth]

The meter actually underestimated the average mpg (meter read ~49.x mpg). However, I need to stick to one gas pump (at a gas station) to really see where the difference might come from.

-SC

Glad you guys got em.

Cosworth, nice numbers. Were you able to compare the ecometer's avg mpg to "an old fashioned" calculation at fill up? Just curious how close it was. TIA

R2

[R2D2]

The meter actually underestimated the average mpg (meter read ~49.x mpg). However, I need to stick to one gas pump (at a gas station) to really see where the difference might come from.

-SC

Nice! I agree-the meter gets close enough that is makes you wonder which is more accurate, the pump method or the meter.

ezhacker,

I've noticed it sometimes takes a couple of seconds to register when I first start driving, but have not noticed any lag time after that. I'll keep a closer eye for it here in the next few days.

R2

[daf62757]

you guys notice the lag time, from when the car is stopped till the gauge reads 0 inst. mpg? like a few seconds for me. I wonder how instantaneous it really is to how you move your foot.

Maybe a second or two tops to get down to 0. I would say it is just your brain processing every number that is displayed as it gets down. And of course, the higher the instantaneous MPG number is, the longer it takes to get to 0.

[ezhacker1]

the numbers in inst. mpg doesnt refresh THAT fast, lol. id say it takes 1.5-2 seconds for it to reach 0 after a complete stop.

i also noticed that in DFCO if you put your foot on the accel. pedal just slightly it keeps it in DFCO, or close to it, meter reads way above 40s. Actually i thought DFCO would change the avg. mpg. higher alot faster. But i guess it balances out when accelerating from stop is like 10mpg or whatever low number going lightly.

[Sodium Duck]

Actually, mine does lag when I first turn the car on. It doesn't start reading until a second or two later.

Did anyone else feel the need to notch out the area around the OBDII port? I cut a little piece of plastic out and now the cabel isn't wedged up in there.

[ezhacker1]

i just got 44.52mpg driving 10-15% city, rest highway. Not a tank fill because i really wanted to see what it would be on a long distance run of 70miles highway. (first time long distance on freeway ever so i cant comment on before) Ecometer read 45.2 avg, so just about a 1.5% overestimate, but i only put in 2.566gal so there you go.

i am soooo happy, great little meter.

[R2D2]

I finally got to fill up again today. Traveled 398.2 mi and took 9.703 gal to fill up for an avg of 41.03 mpg! The ecometer avg read 41.2 so it's right there. It is probably more accurate than calculating at the pump.

What's remarkable to me is this is my best tank yet and I had no longish trips on this fill. I had a single trip of 15 mi on this tank and all others were 10 mi or less of rural/city driving. It was also raining most of the time. I used only basic/moderate hypermiling techniques.

I love this little car and the ecometer makes it even better!

R2

[aclark246]

I know it could be apples and oranges, but does anyone have both a scangauge and the ecometer? Just for comparison sake performance-wise. I know the ecometer is more inexpensive and looks more stylish, but I'm curious about side-by side performance.

[Sodium Duck]

My ecometer read 44.2MPG, my calculation was 42.88. *shrug*

[cali yaris]

I think everyone forgot I'm an Autometer dealer and can beat other's pricing. :cry:

Is the best price out there still about $80 shipped?

anyways.... I have two in stock. :thumbsup:

[R2D2]

Sorry, Cali I would have bought from you if I had realized you sold them!

R2

[JustAnotherAsian]

I think everyone forgot I'm an Autometer dealer and can beat other's pricing. :cry:

Is the best price out there still about $80 shipped?

anyways.... I have two in stock. :thumbsup:
no yaris here up till now, but i knew sticking around would be beneficial! :thumbup:

i'm seeing $69.99 as the median through other reputable vendors (i.e. summit racing), and $59.99 to $69.99 through some shady ebay vendors. this is all sans shipping, so i guess the real median is $80 like you said. so "how low can you go?" haha.

[Sodium Duck]

http://www.fixthisride.com/showprodu...prod_id=233052

$59.37 + $8.46 = $67.83

[Revsson]

I know it could be apples and oranges, but does anyone have both a scangauge and the ecometer? Just for comparison sake performance-wise. I know the ecometer is more inexpensive and looks more stylish, but I'm curious about side-by side performance.

Wouldn't you need a special adapter to be able to plug both of them in
at the same time? :iono:

Or are you meaning that one at a time but someone owning both? :confused:

(I'm a little slow sometimes) :redface:

[aclark246]

Wouldn't you need a special adapter to be able to plug both of them in
at the same time? :iono:

Or are you meaning that one at a time but someone owning both? :confused:

(I'm a little slow sometimes) :redface:

Someone owning both but one at a time. So I guess not side by side haha I didn't think of that... but you get what I mean.

[ezhacker1]

http://www.fixthisride.com/showprodu...prod_id=233052

$59.37 + $8.46 = $67.83

yup i got it from them, arrived fast too.

[ellenbetty]

Where is the Ecometer made? A quick check on Summit Racing web site lists a meter I have not heard anything about. Called the Bully Dog Watch Dog Monitors. Also missing information where the monitor is made. In the $250+ range. Available in black and white face. The Bully Dog is a programmable type display.

[JustAnotherAsian]

Someone owning both but one at a time. So I guess not side by side haha I didn't think of that... but you get what I mean.
but one could do so if i'm not mistaken. if i remember correctly, there are y-adapters (or splitters), for the obd-II port. on the other hand, there are signal/distortion/noise issues involved.

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/engine-management-obd-ii-engine-diagnostics-etc/110397-odb-ii-splitter.html
^talk about the obd-II splitters, and the signal issues.

http://www.obd2cables.com/products/
^source for "splitter".

edit: caliyaris- so is $67.83 shipped the price to beat then?

edit#2: since the bullydog watchdog was brought up... i duno about that monitor. it seems like something that can look like a portable gps, or in other words, something inviting for thieves. i'm trying to avoid that without putting the device away everytime i park.

[Cosworth]

Where is the Ecometer made?

Thanks, R2D2!

[R2D2]

I recall that it is made in Indiana. I will double check the box that it came in later today.

My instruction sheet says it's made in Sycamore, Illinois.

LOL. I never would have believed as a teenager that one day I'd own a Japenese car outfitted with American electronics!

[daf62757]

My instruction sheet says it's made in Sycamore, Illinois.

LOL. I never would have believed as a teenager that one day I'd own a Japenese car outfitted with American electronics!

What comes around goes around!

[Revsson]

What comes around goes around!

That sounds like a song. :tongue:

[ellenbetty]

[QUOTE=R2D2;351354]My instruction sheet says it's made in Sycamore, Illinois.

LOL. I never would have believed as a teenager that one day I'd own a Japanese car outfitted with American electronics![/QUOTE

The maker of the Ecometer sent me a email saying the gage is assembled and programmed in the USA. Which implies that the Ecometer is made of imported parts. At least my motor oil in my 2 Yarises is made out of 100% American recycled motor oil. Motor oil that started out 80% imported oil. Ooo well.

Having 2 Yarises meant that I could not avoid the temptation to buy a Ecometer for each of my Yarises. I went to Summit Racing in Summit Ohio and picked up 2 Ecometers in person. $69.95 plus tax for each Ecometer.

While the Ecometer can be calibrated to match paper calculations of fuel economy, I have not decided if it is worth the trouble to fine tune the Ecometer. Besides it's fun seeing the display show 117 mpg for a second when I let off the gas.

It is a challenge to keep the mpg up when trying to accelerate. Keeping an eye on the road, while keeping a eye on my speed, while following driving directions from my navigation display, while keeping a eye on traffic, while keeping a eye on the Ecometer is a challenge. I guess I could use a few more sets of eyes. :eek: LOL.

[gokartride]

It is a challenge to keep the mpg up when trying to accelerate.This was my biggest trouble back when I was hypermiling, too.

Do you folks ever worry you are really cheesing-off the drivers behind you as you accelerate nice and easy in city traffic? I couldn't seem to get the fuel efficient starts I wanted because I knew the drivers behind me were "not exactly" in economy mode.

[JustAnotherAsian]

This was my biggest trouble back when I was hypermiling, too.

Do you folks ever worry you are really cheesing-off the drivers behind you as you accelerate nice and easy in city traffic? I couldn't seem to get the fuel efficient starts I wanted because I knew the drivers behind me were "not exactly" in economy mode.
i feel bad time to time as well, but i try to break even between pissing off the drivers behind me and keeping the rpms low (as well as my psychic guesstimate of the throttle position and whatnot haha).

[Sodium Duck]

Screw em. Why should I drive "faster" to make them more happy. I drive the speed I'm comfortable operating my car at, which is somewhere in between slow and fast. If they were that much in a rush then they can pass me.

[JustAnotherAsian]

Screw em. Why should I drive "faster" to make them more happy. I drive the speed I'm comfortable operating my car at, which is somewhere in between slow and fast. If they were that much in a rush then they can pass me.
... because it's a one-lane highway with a double-solid yellow. :laugh:

otherwise, i drive grandma-slow. another benefit in my case is added life for my coilover shocks and less rubbing. there's definitely less of an impact/bounce when i go over the road transitions slowly.

[Sodium Duck]

If it was really that pressing and important, then they would pass (pregnant wife, just cut a finger off, whatever) -- or indicate to me somehow that they needed to pass -- and I'd let them.

[ezhacker1]

filled 7.983gals today, 2 bars left, what can i say, i was impatient to compare the meter to pump.

Calc read: 35.61
EcoMeter read: 36.6

Difference: 2.8% overestimate; it would seem that more miles driven, the more the difference in readout it is. I think ill have to tune it when i actually run close to empty...

[daf62757]

This was my biggest trouble back when I was hypermiling, too.

Do you folks ever worry you are really cheesing-off the drivers behind you as you accelerate nice and easy in city traffic? I couldn't seem to get the fuel efficient starts I wanted because I knew the drivers behind me were "not exactly" in economy mode.


Good question. My wife always tells me that someone is going to shoot me for holding up traffic!

I do get concerned that I am coasting to a stop sign/light and causing the vehicles behind me to spew more pollution as a result of my actions. I work in transportation and know from experience that vehicles put out more pollution and PM at lower speeds...both starting and stopping...so I have to wonder what the cumulative effects are.

[daf62757]

Screw em. Why should I drive "faster" to make them more happy. I drive the speed I'm comfortable operating my car at, which is somewhere in between slow and fast. If they were that much in a rush then they can pass me.

A bit narcissistic, eh?

[Sodium Duck]

You can't please everyone - why is driving any different? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in front of you did the speed that you wanted them to do... not realistic, so just do what you do -- whatever speed that is -- what difference does it make.

[supmet]

You can't please everyone - why is driving any different? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in front of you did the speed that you wanted them to do... not realistic, so just do what you do -- whatever speed that is -- what difference does it make.

No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, unless the reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, because of a grade, or in compliance with law.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22400.htm

[Sodium Duck]

K. What does that have to do with anything? No one was talking about maintaining slow speeds on a highway. That's a very stupid thing to do.

[supmet]

K. What does that have to do with anything? No one was talking about maintaining slow speeds on a highway. That's a very stupid thing to do.

Screw em. Why should I drive "faster" to make them more happy. I drive the speed I'm comfortable operating my car at, which is somewhere in between slow and fast. If they were that much in a rush then they can pass me.

:iono:

[ellenbetty]

I also think about some people that will shoot you for cutting them off. I wonder how that type of person will react to me accelerating slowly. So I look behind me to see if there is traffic behind me. Plus I look at the distance between the me and the vehicle ahead. If the distance between me and the vehicle ahead is large, I accelerate faster to close some of the distance. Plus I keep an eye on lights. When I catch up with traffic at the red light, just as the light turns green, then I figure the person behind me has nothing to complain about. Of course if I have a person tailgating, honking the horn, then I will accelerate faster to the legal speed limit. If the driver keeps on tailgating, I ignore the driver behind me.

[Sodium Duck]

I say slow in relative terms, as in what the guy (who feels the need to do 50 in a 35) would think.

And at times I do 55 in the slow lane on I-91. That's the minimum safe speed to drive at on the highway (I can go quote my drivers manual too if you want - I keep it in the glovebox.) Also, the posted speed limit is subject to change due to weather conditions as well. In Massachusetts at least, it is possible to get a ticket for doing the posted speed limit if weather were to permit it -- say a light covering of snow on the ground. Something most people would tend to ignore.

[Yaris Hilton]

I say slow in relative terms, as in what the guy (who feels the need to do 50 in a 35) would think.

I don't drive way below speed limits, but normally am right on whatever the speed limit is. That commonly gets folks right on my bumper (on four lanes) trying to "push" me, then zooming around.

[Sodium Duck]

Which is why I say screw 'em -- especially on a four lane highway. The far right lane is a, "slow moving," lane anyways.

[R2D2]

I don't drive way below speed limits, but normally am right on whatever the speed limit is. That commonly gets folks right on my bumper (on four lanes) trying to "push" me, then zooming around.

Yeah I drive the speed limit pretty much all the time-but it seems like most others want to do 10-15 over. I accelerate a little slower than most would like too, but certainly not slow to the extreme. I'm used to tailgaiters and they don't bother me much but if someone starts shooting I'll probably speed up.

R2

[ezhacker1]

um lets get back to talking about our experiences with the ecometer?

[TwoBearWisconsin]

Sounds like we need this sticker from Northern Sun...

[NJBob]

Cool sticker...should come free with an Ecometer. :D

[Sodium Duck]

Hahahaha, I'd rock it.

[JustAnotherAsian]

guys... i got sodium's point in the last page! back to the ecometer! haha.

any recent feedback on the ecometer? more on accuracy talk- tanks vs. "average". if i'm missing something, it seems relatively accurate- accurate to within one or two mpg so far. that's accurate enough for around 70 bucks (for my cheap ass).

[Sodium Duck]

I can't think of a place I want to mount mine yet. Behind the steering wheel didn't work for me. I kind of want to screw it to the top left corner of the gauge cluster, or on top of the far left air vent. Has any one else come up with a different mounting location?

[JustAnotherAsian]

fail on my part... or is it?

why the CAN bus requirement? my car is not listed in the compatible vehicles, nor the entire generation, and i ran into this CAN bus protocol.

in other words, will it work on my 2003 camry, or just the newer cars with the CAN bus OBD port? i'm assuming my car is not CAN bus.

wtf. standard obdII is dying?

edit: fail indeed. doesn't work for my old ass obdII camry. haha. nice talk anyways.

[daf62757]

I put mine just above the speedometer, slightly turned towards me. I might turn it even more at an angle towards me to keep the people that drive with me from staring at it. Everyone thinks it is cool and wants to get one.

[Cosworth]

It seems that the only compatible vehicles are those with OBDII with electric throttle.

The reason being that my 2005 Honda w/ cable throttle is NOT compatible with ecometer, but the 2006 w/ electric throttle is. (No changes in body or any other mechanicals between '05 & '06.)

-SC

fail on my part... or is it?

why the CAN bus requirement? my car is not listed in the compatible vehicles, nor the entire generation, and i ran into this CAN bus protocol.

in other words, will it work on my 2003 camry, or just the newer cars with the CAN bus OBD port? i'm assuming my car is not CAN bus.

wtf. standard obdII is dying?

edit: fail indeed. doesn't work for my old ass obdII camry. haha. nice talk anyways.

[JustAnotherAsian]

^honda also switched most of their vehicles mid-2005 (for MY 2006) to CAN-bus protocol from standard OBDII protocol, due to the nationwide requirement in 2008 for all vehicles sold in U.S. to be can-bus.

i think your case is similar to mine. it's less related to whether the car is DBW or not. DBW just happened to come at the same time.

[ellenbetty]

I had a VA appointment in Cleveland today. Normally about a hour drive. I decided to try combining using my new ecometer with the new option of fuel economy driving directions. The nuvi picked most direct route with minor changes. Using the new combo added a extra 1/2 hour to get to the VA. It seemed that the nuvi expected me to be using a device like the ecometer. My projected arrival time was just 2 minutes off. I got beeped several time as people drove around me. Maybe I should get a hypermiler bumper sticker.

HYPERMILER IN TRAINING :laugh:

[Sodium Duck]

I finally decided on a mounting spot. I permanently mounted the Ecometer here with the two screws supplied. I also was able to ditch the rubber gasket in doing this, which I think makes it look cleaner. I also made a small notch in the cluster trim to allow the cable to get through and allow everything to still fit snug.

And as I said earlier in the thread, I also cut a little bit of the plastic off by the OBD-II port so the wire wasn't all pushed and bend awkwardly.

Standby for horrible cell phone pics:

[Revsson]

Despite the "horrible cell phone pics", it looks like a clean install.

[JonS]

Yeah, I got mine the day before yesterday and installed it where gammaray did (post #68). Pretty clean looking and it's sweet for training the foot to lighten up (especially when taking off from a light). For the price, I think it's a must have.

[Twistoffate0817]

I am sold on this product if everyone can reassure me that its accurate and works even when ur not moving. (as in does it go down even when ur not moving)

I really want to know the exact mpg im getting or close to exact at any given moment. And this seems like a good product for my yaris

[ezhacker1]

yes it works as long as the car is running. meaning you really see how much your mpg suffers when just idling, i was so amazed, it drops faster than DFCO gains it back.

[R2D2]

+1

[Sodium Duck]

We don't have to program this thing any, correct? It's simply plug and play? My mileage is still 2mpg over my calculations. Then there are those posts about the car possibly being calibrated for bigger tires than I have...? :confused:

Here's some better shots of my setup. Works great for me.

[JonS]

After you program in the size of your engine (4 Liter is the default), you can tweak it plus or minus from 100% sensitivity to match you pump and calculator mpg. Did yours come with the instructions, SD?

[Sodium Duck]

Yes it did. I read that, and kind of half remember it coming up when I first plugged it in. I've left it unplugged for a couple days then plugged it back in, but I haven't been able to get that initial setup back. I must be set on 4L still...?

[gammaray]

After each fill up. Go to average mpg and push the right stalk until it resets. And you will drive away with 1 to 5 mpg for a bit until it gets up to an average mpg. Leave it for the whole tank, and you will see that its insanely accurate. At least thats my scenario.

[Sodium Duck]

Will try that on my next fill up - thanks!

Also, did you guys know that if you hold down both stalks at the same time (or something like that) there is actually a dimmer control with 3 levels of brightness?

[gammaray]

Will try that on my next fill up - thanks!

Also, did you guys know that if you hold down both stalks at the same time (or something like that) there is actually a dimmer control with 3 levels of brightness?

I did, but good thing to mention for others. Also, for those driving a manual. Try pressing in the clutch on a downhill grade in Instantaneous mode while letting off the accelerator. I saw 363 mpg for a sec or two. :burnrubber:

[Sodium Duck]

That reminds me of something I've been thinking about. Those with a Scangauge -- when DFCO kicks in they see 999MPG. For me, I usually see 150ish something, it just changes. I wonder how the Ecometer is actually calculating mileage...? To me, it clearly seems to be different. I duno, I'm a little buzzed.

[gammaray]

That reminds me of something I've been thinking about. Those with a Scangauge -- when DFCO kicks in they see 999MPG. For me, I usually see 150ish something, it just changes. I wonder how the Ecometer is actually calculating mileage...? To me, it clearly seems to be different. I duno, I'm a little buzzed.

Same here... a little buzzed, and wondering. Cause when I let off the accelerator without depressing the clutch I get around 260 mpg, which should engage DFCO, and when I depress the clutch, which should disengage DFCO, the gauge runs much higher.

[ezhacker1]

yeah i also wonder about that, maybe it the different way the scan gauge and the ecometer get the mpg readings. The ecometer makes it seem like fuel is still used in "DFCO", makes us wonder doesnt it?

[Sodium Duck]

You're rocking my mind man.

[ezhacker1]

what is the mind? no matter, what is matter? never mind.

about the brightness adjustment on the gauge, i think it needs a brighter display. It really just jumps form least brightness to full on, rather fast doesnt it?

[gammaray]

yeah i also wonder about that, maybe it the different way the scan gauge and the ecometer get the mpg readings. The ecometer makes it seem like fuel is still used in "DFCO", makes us wonder doesnt it?

Yeah, it does.

[gammaray]

Regardless. It will pay for itself in a short period of time. And its worth it just for the gauge that it is. (I wanted a tach) To sum it up, I would hate not having it, not that I have had it.

[Sodium Duck]

I've been using it off and on for the past few tanks. Without it I get around 38-39MPG, with it I get 41MPG. I'm liking it.

[ezhacker1]

im running on stock 15 steelies, i see that going 35 on 5th gear, gives like about 45-50 inst. mpg, i forget the numbers exactly, but wow huh? only thing is best i can manage from accelerating from stop is about mid 20s on the inst. heavy wheels the factor?

[Sodium Duck]

Stock steelies are 14" fwiw. I can barely keep mine above 15MPG accelerating from a stop.

[ezhacker1]

Stock steelies are 14" fwiw. I can barely keep mine above 15MPG accelerating from a stop.

my stock steelies are from the power package. so 15s.

for the first time i used nuetral instead of DFCO, it gives like about double the readout... hmm, it would either throw off the final avg at fill up or make for some interesting find.

[Yaris Hilton]

Yep. 15" steelies on all three of ours.

[Sodium Duck]

I've noticed that as well with neutral. However, when I have used neutral in the past, I got worse gas mileage. I duno, it's odd. Everyone with a scangauge also said that when you shift into neutral your RPM's go higher -- this gauge says they go lower. ?

[ezhacker1]

rpms are higher in DFCO, but fuel is "cutoff" like we get DFCO above 1100rpm, but when in neutral engine is just at idling speeds.

This is rather confusing no, DFCO or neutral?

[Sodium Duck]

From what I've read on the forums from Scangauge people is that when you coast in neutral (not DFCO) your RPM's are higher than if you were in gear and coasting. That's what I'm talking about. But my Ecometer tells me the opposite.

[daf62757]

If you disengage the clutch, the engine speed drops to idle, doesn't it? If you leave the clutch engaged, the engine has to match the gear which is linked to the speed of the vehicle.

[talnlnky]

I own a SG. to do DFCO you have to be 1200+ rpms. if you coast in neutral your rpm's will drop... maybe as low as 700... but from what I can tell, the slower you coast in neutral the lower the rpms, and the longer you coast in neutral the lower the rpms.

SG reports no gas being used when in DFCO. From what I can tell, using DFCO in short little burst, or long stretches (when going down hills) can do a lot to keep your mpg avg up high. coasting in DFCO for a few blocks can jump my average from mid 40's to high 40's on my 11 mile commute to/from work. I used to use coasting a lot... but I no longer think it is as good.

If coasting is better.... its only at certain times.... like when going fast (highway speeds) on slight downhill stretches where DFCO would slow your car down too much.

Using DFCO I've now got my commute to work and back to avg about 49-50mpg over the past two weeks. This tank i'm looking at 46mpg... 2 bars left and i've gone 400miles so far.I should be able to get 430miles before I hit the 1.6gal left mark.

[Qmobile]

hmm I mite have to pick me up one now!! Mainly for the tach feature................hmm a lil drive down and on the way back experiance the thing and report back so tempting

[gammaray]

The amusement of the device alone has been worth it to me, and as stated earlier in the thread..... I wanted a tach, so that was just an added big bonus.

[R2D2]

Just thought I'd report again-I finally filled up again today (It happens so rarely I actually look forward to it!) and the ecometer avg mpg was within .71 mpg (41.3 pump vs 42 ecometer).

Again, which is more accurate? I'll take it!

R2

[gammaray]

As I stated earlier. Just remember to reset the gauge at each fill up and its very accurate. I also just reset on occasion to see what average I will get on a specific trip.

[rihdrkc]

After reading the posts on this, I had to have one. Received one as a B-day gift and installed it Thursday. I love this gauge so far and am on my first tank with it. I installed it on the steering column,and ran the cable down through the hole in the bottom to the OBD port. Five minute install.

[gammaray]

I skimped and bought cheaper fuel this time, and it shows on the gauge. Ive been running Chevron 87 since I bought the car, and on average mpg setting I was getting 34-36 readings with Chevron. With this cheaper fuel, I cant get it over 33, and have driven the car easier to beat it all. The top fuel bar even went down at 70 miles, instead of the usual 80 range.

[Revsson]

After reading the posts on this, I had to have one. Received one as a B-day gift and installed it Thursday. I love this gauge so far and am on my first tank with it. I installed it on the steering column,and ran the cable down through the hole in the bottom to the OBD port. Five minute install.

Did you use screws or velcro to mount it?

[advocate]

Thanks a lot for the great in depth discussion and plentiful amounts of pictures. I look forward to getting one of these.

[Qmobile]

ok that's it now I HAVE to have one!! I talked w/autozone and they herd of it but never seen one

[Sodium Duck]

Order it offline. I posted a site way earlier in the discussion for like 57 shipped I believe.

[talnlnky]

As I stated earlier. Just remember to reset the gauge at each fill up and its very accurate. I also just reset on occasion to see what average I will get on a specific trip.

I reset the A trip meter for gas tanks.. and the B trip meter for oil changes ... but you could do B for small trips if you didn't want to track the oil change mileage.

[jaysizzle]

i really dont want to read through all 10 pages of this thread...:help:

[ezhacker1]

http://www.fixthisride.com/showproductdetail.jsp?prod_id=233052

i got mine from there. which is what Sodium Duck was talking about getting it cheap. (cheapest iv seen)

[rihdrkc]

Did you use screws or velcro to mount it?

I used the included "velcro" and so far so good. I have some heavier hook and loop that I may try if the original stuff give up.

[Brentorius]

http://www.fixthisride.com/showproductdetail.jsp?prod_id=233052


I got mine from here also and mounted it like Rihdrkc. I did not use the included Velcro but some heavier stuff I had lying around.

[Revsson]

i really dont want to read through all 10 pages of this thread...:help:

I hear ya, but sometimes it pays to read entire threads. :tongue:

[Sodium Duck]

Yea. Build up some street cred yo. lol

[Qmobile]

well I finally took a lil drive to JEGS today and got one. And I have to say this: I LOVE THIS THING!!!!! I was playing with it on the way back and the MPGs stay right 'round 45-50 so I'm giving it the Q seal of approval:thumbup: Now all's I need to do is figure out how to mount this sucker.

[Sodium Duck]

I'm not getting how to reset the average MPG. I go to average MPG and try all combinations of pushing buttons but all I can get it to do is change the display brightness. What am I doing wrong?

[ezhacker1]

I'm not getting how to reset the average MPG. I go to average MPG and try all combinations of pushing buttons but all I can get it to do is change the display brightness. What am I doing wrong?

you hold the right button when in avg mpg mode till it resets.

[Qmobile]

ok I've got a spot where I want to mount it on the steering colum(ala rihdrkc) so I can still use the storage box and steer without issues, plus it'll look awsome IMO. Right now I have it sittin in the cupholder, nice place but not exactly practical :( The velcro type stuff did'nt exactly work out, and I REALLY don't want to use the screws it came with, any ideas? Gauge pod would just look stupid/ricey and a guy at advanced auto parts sadi something about a HUGE hose clamp again not exactly a good way IMO. Would a peice of velcro acrossed the base be good enough? I want ot be able(if I get rid of the car) to make it look like there was nothing there

[rihdrkc]

ok I've got a spot where I want to mount it on the steering colum(ala rihdrkc) so I can still use the storage box and steer without issues, plus it'll look awsome IMO. Right now I have it sittin in the cupholder, nice place but not exactly practical :( The velcro type stuff did'nt exactly work out, and I REALLY don't want to use the screws it came with, any ideas? Gauge pod would just look stupid/ricey and a guy at advanced auto parts sadi something about a HUGE hose clamp again not exactly a good way IMO. Would a peice of velcro acrossed the base be good enough? I want ot be able(if I get rid of the car) to make it look like there was nothing there



Go to Target and buy yourself some heavy duty hook and loop material. Made by 3M. Looks like velcro that came with gauge, but much more durable. It comes in black or clear. I have used it to secure things on my bike(a vibrating Harley) and it has never failed me. Will be switching to it on the Ecometer when I get a chance. The stock stuff is a little flimsy, but working so far.

[Qmobile]

ok I mite look into wal-mart or meijer(target too far away). thanx man!!

[rihdrkc]

Hardware store might have it also.

[Twistoffate0817]

I really want to get this product. How accurate is this?

[Qmobile]

from what I've seen pretty darn

[R2D2]

Mine has always been within .2-.7 mpg. Today after fillup it was within .3 mpg of the "pump method" calculation.

Plenty accurate, user friendly and fun little tool to save fuel! If something happened to mine I'd have another by the end of the week!

R2

[DevilGirl]

Can anyone who has one of these tell me if, when viewing it in the "rpm" mode, if the "analog" style meter shows the rpm's as well, or if it is only the mpg's it will do that with (saw the you tube vid of someone from mpg-o-matic doing a test drive of a charger/challenger, can't remember which). I'm really looking at one of these so I can have a tach but also the mpg readout. I like the old school analog tachs better than the digital ones.

[Revsson]

I agree with you DevilGirl.
It would be nice if you could set the outer LED ring to act like an analog tach while
having the digital readout show mpg.
I gathered, from that same video you saw, that it wouldn't work like we
wanted it to.

Maybe CTScott could mod it? :iono:

[DevilGirl]

That would be a nice mod for it.

But I was referring to when you are viewing it showing rpm's (like it says you can on the website, even though all the pics only show mpg's), if it is only the digital readout or if it is also the LED ring. If it's both while in that "mode", I'd get it. I can always press a button and find out the mpg's. I'm more concerned with the rpm's right now until I get more used to driving stick every day (this is my first stick shift car). Though I must say, I am getting better. Only two days of my commute put on the car, and stalled once yesterday mornin, once yesterday afternoon, and not at all this morning.

[Qmobile]

yeah in RPM mode it shows you by light/numbers what your doing also I've found that in speedo mode/mph it's a lil SLOWER than the stock speedo is'nt that nutty?

[Sodium Duck]

I'd bank that the Ecometer is more accurate than the speedometer. When viewing the speedometer, you should actually add 2 or so MPH, because we are looking at it from an angle since it is in the middle. If you were to look at it straight on fromt he center of the vehicle, it would be accurate. For example, from the drivers seat when I think I am doing 30MPH and the needle is dead on it, if I lean over to the middle and look, I'm actually doing about 28MPH.

However, at "10MPH" on the speedometer, the Ecometer reads about 14MPH. I trust the Ecometer better. Above 20MPH, they seem to be the same. (at my work the speed limit is 15MPH and they are really anal about it)

[daf62757]

I use my Tom Tom for a speedometer.

[DevilGirl]

Yet another question in the search for a tach for my 09... I like the idea that the Scan Gauge gives you a lot more output for the car (mostly standard stuff that I'm used to seeing on a gauge cluster), but I'm concerned about the size of the readout. 5" wide by only 1 1/2" tall? That seems small to me. Is there possibly a similar model that has a larger readout?

[Woody_Woodchuck]

I thought the same thing, especially with having 4 gauges displayed at the same time. It is easy to read at a glance and I have not had troubles looking at one gauge and reading it.

The problem is it only updates every… 2 seconds I believe, in fast mode so you are not getting all the readings. Best bet for a functional tachometer is to buy a dial one. The SG suffices to check the rpm’s while crusing.

[DevilGirl]

I thought the same thing, especially with having 4 gauges displayed at the same time. It is easy to read at a glance and I have not had troubles looking at one gauge and reading it.

The problem is it only updates every… 2 seconds I believe, in fast mode so you are not getting all the readings. Best bet for a functional tachometer is to buy a dial one. The SG suffices to check the rpm’s while crusing.

A dial tach would be a better bet for me, but then I'd have to drill holes. Not something I want to do at the moment. Plus I like the option of having the other information (MPG usage and all others available)... I'm at such a loss for what I want. I don't want to spend the money on something I won't like after a short period of time. And I doubt I can find a dial tach that won't require making extra holes...

[R2D2]

DevilGirl,

I'd recommend the Ecometer if you want an easy to install tach-it's easy to see, easy to install, non permanent and fairly inexpensive. I think it works very well. The major reason I bought mine was for the tach but I'm so hooked on the instantaneous mpg that's all I usually use! You still can see the ecograph with the tach though. If it's not to your liking I bet you can find someone to buy it!

R2

[gammaray]

I still find this gauge very amusing, and so does everyone that gets in the vehicle with me. Unless it fails to work at all anytime soon...its the best purchase Ive made in a very long time. Well, besides the Yaris that is.

[Qmobile]

me 2 when I was on my way home from Jegs I was like chewing people out b/c I was get 50mpg AND still going th speed limit........that was a fun drive kinda long but fun

[wingdood]

I thought the same thing, especially with having 4 gauges displayed at the same time. It is easy to read at a glance and I have not had troubles looking at one gauge and reading it.

The problem is it only updates every… 2 seconds I believe, in fast mode so you are not getting all the readings. Best bet for a functional tachometer is to buy a dial one. The SG suffices to check the rpm’s while crusing.

does anyone know if the Ecometer's tach updates slower or faster than the Scangauge's? :confused:

[Henry G.]

Scangauge updates every 1/2 second in fast mode, pretty darn good. Its way more product for the money IMO.

[ezhacker1]

Scangauge updates every 1/2 second in fast mode, pretty darn good. Its way more product for the money IMO.

therefore, it is the same refresh rate as the Ecometer, both are 2x a sec.

[mrbond]

Just got an Ecometer yesterday from Garm, and I have to say this is probably one of the best things I've bought for the Yaris, right up there with the Fujitsubo. I drove the car the way I normally do, and I'm getting about 36.6 mpg average. It's great to be able to have a tangible way of monitoring the effect your driving style has on mpg. Can't wait till the next tank, so I can experiment with different ways of driving. Greatest $70 so far.

[Henry G.]

therefore, it is the same refresh rate as the Ecometer, both are 2x a sec.
Cool. Does it monitor everything else too and clear trouble codes? If so its a bargain....

[R2D2]

The ecometer does not display or erase trouble codes. If you want that capability and extra engine info the SG II is the way to go. If you only need instant mpg, avg mpg and tach than the ecometer is a less expensive way to get there.

R2

[ezhacker1]

engine codes would complete the perfectness of the ecometer.

[talnlnky]

The ecometer does not display or erase trouble codes. If you want that capability and extra engine info the SG II is the way to go. If you only need instant mpg, avg mpg and tach than the ecometer is a less expensive way to get there.

R2
Code reading/erasing is awesome... I've already used it on 2 peoples cars.. the GF's and a co-workers... both cars are 00 or newer too

[R2D2]

Code reading/erasing is awesome... I've already used it on 2 peoples cars.. the GF's and a co-workers... both cars are 00 or newer too

Yep a code reader is handy alright! I went with the ecometer though because I already had an Innova scan tool and all I really needed was the tach and instant mpg. Both units have their place depending on what you need and how much one wants to spend.

R2

[ezhacker1]

iv noticed that using neutral a lot compared to DFCO produces near perfect readings at the pump. DFCO seems to result in readings ~7% higher than actual. anyone else?

[Sodium Duck]

I used to use neutral to coast a lot a long time ago, one day I just switched over to never using neutral. I went from consistently getting 36MPG to 39MPG.

[Sandwash]

I used to use neutral to coast a lot a long time ago, one day I just switched over to never using neutral. I went from consistently getting 36MPG to 39MPG.

I believe your results per calcs - but it defies common sense considering total disengagement that is 'neutral.' Even with engine cut-off, you wouldn't expect these results. Will be getting ecometer soon and will let all know of change of habits and mpg upon monitoring.

[09box]

I know it has probably been all spelled out but what exactly is involved in the install of this?

[DevilGirl]

I know it has probably been all spelled out but what exactly is involved in the install of this?

I have my Ecometer sittin on my dash to the left of the gauge cluster (double-sided tape), with the wire running across the dash under my TomTom mount, and down the a-pillar to the OBDII port. (I'll try to post a pic later today if I remember.)


Really, all you need to do is plug it into the OBDII, run your wire how you want it, and mount it where you want it. That's all. :headbang:

[R2D2]

DevilGirl,

So you bought the ecometer-how do you like it so far?

R2

[DevilGirl]

DevilGirl,

So you bought the ecometer-how do you like it so far?

R2

It's good. I use it for the tach and the MPG's. I'm still working on evening out my acceleration techniques (darn manual tranny :iono:), but I think once I get that worked out, it will become even more useful than it is.

I also have the TomTom Go 740 Live which alerts me when I go above a set speed (72 for me), so I have that as a backup to help keep my speeding under control. Came in handy today. There was a cop sitting with a radar detector on the way home today.

[R2D2]

Good glad it's working out. Most people seem to be very happy with them.

R2

[Twistoffate0817]

I want to get one of these, how hard is it to hook up? I know nothing about cars or mechanical issues with cars..so will i have a hard time hooking it up? And does it calculate when your sitting there idle?

[rihdrkc]

I want to get one of these, how hard is it to hook up? I know nothing about cars or mechanical issues with cars..so will i have a hard time hooking it up? And does it calculate when your sitting there idle?

Simple plug and play. Just stick it where you think it looks best. :thumbup:

[R2D2]

I want to get one of these, how hard is it to hook up? I know nothing about cars or mechanical issues with cars..so will i have a hard time hooking it up? And does it calculate when your sitting there idle?

Yep it really is just a plug and play. Plug into the obd II port, route the wire out of the way and mount in an easy to see location. The A pillar, steering column (just mount far enough forward to allow clearance for driver side glove box to open) and near the center gauge cluster seem to be popular choices. The enclosed 3M temporary industrial fastener works quite well, as does 3m double sided trim tape available at auto parts stores. There is no permanent alteration to the vehicle required.

The ecometer calculates mpg anytime the engine is running, including while idling. You can watch your avg mpg drop as you idle. It is very accurate-mine has always been within .7 mpg or so of calculating by the "pump method" at fill up.

This is a long thread, but there are quite a few good points and mounting ideas mentioned here if you can work through it. Most everyone seems to be very satisfied with their ecometer.

Hope this helps!

R2

[ezhacker1]

The ecometer calculates mpg anytime the engine is running, including while idling. You can watch your avg mpg drop as you idle. It is very accurate-mine has always been within .7 mpg or so of calculating by the "pump method" at fill up.



Today at fill up the ecometer was dead on! 35.3mpg was the ecometer reading, 35.323 was the calculated at pump. No DFCO, just lots of nuetral whenever possible, id say 20% highway rest city. I have yet to take the car on a long trip highway run. the longest iv done is 44 miles one way, got 44.52mpg that time. Car is still under 4k on the odo.

[kuyachris84]

I love this thing btw! Definite improvement in MPG when you actually get to see real time how your driving habits change your mileage. Here's some pics where I mounted mine btw.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/672/ecometer1.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4738/ecometer2.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4677/ecometer3.jpg

[Mistry]

I just got a Simota SRI and was wondering if I would need to adjust the Ecometer?

If so, how would I change it? I have the instructions at home but I will be away for a while and would like to adjust it asap, if needed.

Thanks in advance.

[R2D2]

Not sure how much the intake will change things. Next fill up compare pump calc to the ecometer. To get dialed in a little faster I figure the percent difference between the two and adjust accordingly.

I don't have my instructions in front of me but I did this not long ago. To adjust the ecometer unplug it from the obd port. Hold down the left button while plugging ecometer back in. If done properly you should see EFF on the meter. Then I believe you keep pressing the right button until the percentage you need is on the screen (they range from 60 to 140). Then press the left button when done to finalize the adjustment.

I may have messed up which button scrolls through the numbers but that should hopefully get you in the right direction.

R2

[ezhacker1]

*post AFE intake update

before when i was on stock intake the ecometer was dead on with DFCO resulting into higher actual mpg then gauged, which makes sense. Now after the intake im seeing 10% over estimation, i thought the ECU would learn whats going on with the new intake, guess not.

[Twistoffate0817]

Is this still worth it to everyone? I just want something where i can keep it plugged in, and whenever iturn the car on and go it will show me my instant MPG. Do i need to reset this or anything? When i get gas do i need to reset it?

[Sodium Duck]

If you leave it on instant MPG display, it would just display that all the time. I don't think you would never need to reset it. If you were having it display average MPG, it would be best to reset it after each fillup, but that only takes two clicks to do, so who cares.

[Twistoffate0817]

Just ordered mine from the site you guys provided. It says its shipping from NJ...which is where I live so hopefully it will get here soon! I cannot wait to try it out. :)

[ezhacker1]

More Update:

Cleaned the MAF sensor with MAF Cleaner, hopefully my mpg will improve and/or get the reading to match actual. The ecometer ONLY read wrong after my AFE intake.

[Sodium Duck]

Hmm, interesting idea. Is the MAF sensor cleaner just compressed air to blow the crap off it, or is it something specific that you get at the auto parts store? Do we have only that one MAF sensor by the intake, or is there more than one on the car that would be worth cleaning?

[Twistoffate0817]

Hello all, I have recieved my eco meter today!

I just got back from testing it, and am afraid to say that im dissapointed in the product.

Maybe the thing needs some settings adjusted in order to work better:

I followed the instructions to get to the EEF i think it said, and it says to adjust it from 60-140 if its calculating too high. My eco meter was all over the place every second. going from 11 to 140 within one second. (mpg that is)

So i set the EEF at 61.

What is everyone elses set at?

My other problem is: Whenever i have my foot on accel pedal the MPG seems fine. whenever i take it off it quickly zooms to 100+ and when i put my foot back on it takes my mpg up to 55-65. This seems very off.

Also when I come to a complete stop the eco meter goes to 0 and stays there. This is wrong too from what I have been reading.

What am i supposed to be setting this thing at?

Is there something I am doing wrong?

[Sodium Duck]

You have it set to instant MPG readouts... Read the manual more thoroughly.

When at a complete stop, you are getting zero MPG. Whatever you have read else where would be news to me...

[Falconia]

I didn't read this thread all way through, but I really don't get it what it helps to buy this kind of "meters". Cars own monitor shows the same thing (mpg) or like here in Europe litres/100 kilometres.

What's the point when cars own computer shows the same thing?

[Twistoffate0817]

Okay so it shooting from 15 mpg to 140 is normal? I duno how to change my driving style if at every second its going from 20 mpg to 40, then to 70, then to 20. Its sort of odd. Shud I leave it on average MPG?

[Twistoffate0817]

I didn't read this thread all way through, but I really don't get it what it helps to buy this kind of "meters". Cars own monitor shows the same thing (mpg) or like here in Europe litres/100 kilometres.

What's the point when cars own computer shows the same thing?

I dont know about anyone else, but my Yaris in the USA does not come with an instant MPG reader. So this device does it for us.

[Sodium Duck]

I didn't read this thread all way through, but I really don't get it what it helps to buy this kind of "meters". Cars own monitor shows the same thing (mpg) or like here in Europe litres/100 kilometres.

What's the point when cars own computer shows the same thing?

American models do not display this information.

[Sodium Duck]

Okay so it shooting from 15 mpg to 140 is normal? I duno how to change my driving style if at every second its going from 20 mpg to 40, then to 70, then to 20. Its sort of odd. Shud I leave it on average MPG?

When you are coasting down a hill or to a stop and your foot is not on the gas, it would stand to reason that your instantaneous MPG would be very high (yes 140+ MPG) as the car is in motion and it is barely using any gas.

When you are at a stop, or just beginning to accelerate, it would also stand to reason that your instantaneous MPG would be very low (yes <15 MPG) as the car is not moving very far or fast and you have your foot buried in the gas.

Switch it to average MPG, this will coincide more closely with what you envision MPG to be.

OR, again, you could read the manual. For example, I keep mine on average MPG, and have the light ring set up with a MPG goal of 40. Such that, when the light ring is not displaying green, I know I am getting <40 MPG and should back off of the throttle. But at the same time, I am not distracted by all the wide fluctuations of the instantaneous MPG readout. When the light ring is displaying red, that means I'm getting <10 MPG, and when about 1/4th of the light ring is lit up green, I'm getting >100MPG. Just before it starts lighting up orange is 40MPG.

I hope that explains some of your concerns. It's funny how people think MPG is this constant static thing that barely ever changes. There's this weird disconnect I've noticed -- people don't understand the farther you push the pedal to the floor, well, the more gas your are dumping into the engine. Yes, your MPG ranges very widely, but when you average ALL that data out, you get a nice normal number that you can relate to.

I've seen a few posts/product reviews like this online. One where the guy even returned it because he thought it was broken. :rolleyes:

[R2D2]

Twistoffate,

The instant mpg readings you reported are exactly what I would expect (and get on my own unit). The "instant" setting is exactly what it says-the fuel economy you are achieving that instant, updated every half second. It should read zero when stopped and the reason it can jump to 140-200+ mpg when you release the pedal is DFCO. I don't use the instant setting much as the ecograph around the perimeter of the display accomplishes the same task so I tend to stay on the avg mpg mode.

It sounds like what you want is the average mpg mode which will be more "stable" and will drop while idling at a light.

What you need to do is reset your EFF to about 95% to start. Next fill up reset your average mpg and track it from there. You can fine tune the accuracy with your EFF setting if needed. I also recommend setting the ecograph to display your target mpg which is covered in the instructions.

Review the instructions again and please ask away here if there is something we can clarify or help you out with.
Once you figure it out I think you will be happy with it-there are a bunch of us here with ecometers and they are very liked from what I've seen.

Good luck!

R2

[R2D2]

SD looks like you beat me to it and had it covered!

Thanks!

R2

[MadMax]

Garm, are you still selling these? I couldn't find them on your site...

Cheers! M2

[Falconia]

Here in Europe Yaris have own computer which shows current xxl/100km, average consumption and average speed.

In USA versions do not have this?

[MadMax]

Here in Europe Yaris have own computer which shows current xxl/100km, average consumption and average speed.

In USA versions do not have this?

Nope; but the BMWs I had in Germany did...

[Twistoffate0817]

Twistoffate,

The instant mpg readings you reported are exactly what I would expect (and get on my own unit). The "instant" setting is exactly what it says-the fuel economy you are achieving that instant, updated every half second. It should read zero when stopped and the reason it can jump to 140-200+ mpg when you release the pedal is DFCO. I don't use the instant setting much as the ecograph around the perimeter of the display accomplishes the same task so I tend to stay on the avg mpg mode.

It sounds like what you want is the average mpg mode which will be more "stable" and will drop while idling at a light.

What you need to do is reset your EFF to about 95% to start. Next fill up reset your average mpg and track it from there. You can fine tune the accuracy with your EFF setting if needed. I also recommend setting the ecograph to display your target mpg which is covered in the instructions.

Review the instructions again and please ask away here if there is something we can clarify or help you out with.
Once you figure it out I think you will be happy with it-there are a bunch of us here with ecometers and they are very liked from what I've seen.

Good luck!

R2

Thanks for explaining! :) I will have to play around with it, and today i kept it on Average MPG which I like better. I changed the EFF setting to 70 because at first it was reading too high. I guess i will change it to 95 and keep adjusting after fill ups. Is it safe to leave the ecometer plugged in and left in the car everyday? Its not going to be damaged due to the cold or heat right?

[ezhacker1]

Hmm, interesting idea. Is the MAF sensor cleaner just compressed air to blow the crap off it, or is it something specific that you get at the auto parts store? Do we have only that one MAF sensor by the intake, or is there more than one on the car that would be worth cleaning?

i got it from auto store: Kragen, cost my 6 bucks, its sprays in as liquid but dries super fast, reminds me of rubbing alcohol. If i dont see the ecometer coinciding with actual like before i installed my AFE, ill just remove the afe and go stock to see whats up.

[R2D2]

Twistoffate,

You should be fine leaving it plugged in. Mine has been plugged in every day since I got it through heat and cold with no issues.

R2

[ezhacker1]

but if you do unplug it, it saves the data to memory, so no worries there

[pawsplus]

Oooh! Just read this whole thread. I'm gonna have to get me one of these babies! :)

[pawsplus]

Got my Ecometer and had a great time trying it out yesterday -- was on the road most of the day so had plenty of opportunity. I really like it! I had no idea how much gas I was using doing certain things -- esp. how much difference it really DOES make to accellerate SLOOOWLY. I love seeing 200 mpg going down hills in DFCO! :thumbup:

[Hershey]

+1 . :thumbup:

[Twistoffate0817]

Okay it is official! I love this thing. I am still in my break in period (only 9,500 miles on car) and winter temperatures..and i am averaging 33-34 mpg. Pretty good considering i only do short trips everyday!

[1stToyota]

Okay, I know nothing about this autometer...is the cable permanently affixed to the gauge or can it be disconnected/unplugged? It would need to be able to unplug because of the way I would want to mount it if I purchased this.

...and I don't know if it's been mentioned yet because I didn't follow the whole thread but I see that it's cheaper than $52.00

http://www.jcwhitney.com/ecometer/p2022433.jcwx?TID=YAH8855282&s_kwcid=TC-18265-459126776011-S-71763155011&ysmwa=mRtmuGG6D5f_CIJ80wXoa6C0fwV9OOncYbhEpzb261B2-rixbqvz4osjhxl4TCB0

[zachryboles]

yah it hooks into the OBD port.... plug and play bro. just mount it with something reusable and you should be fine.