Info on 2010s?

[Lewis]

I love my 2009 base 3dr but have to say their are 2 things that are included in other markets now - which my car doesn't have- and IMO really could use- that would get me to trade my 2009 for a 2010- stablity and traction control, and a tachometer on a stick shift model. Although it was easy and cheap to do also IMO every Yaris should come standard with the rear anti-sway bar- that's how much difference it makes!

Any word available yet on the 2010s and how they'll be equipped and optioned ed?

Thanks.:iono:

[TwoBearWisconsin]

Motor Trend is saying that the 2010 Yaris will have standard stability control. If you believe them...

[Lewis]

I hope they're correct- it does become required by the Federal government at some point - a proven lifesaver- so why wait if you have it- and they do overseas.

I just hope they also fix the silly situation of offerring the stick shift model with no way to get a tach.

[Split]

i'm not sure why anyone needs stability control to be honest. i dont even use it in winter with my is300...as for the yaris, when its snowy, just ease off the throttle if you feel the tires slipping..

[Lewis]

I think it can help in very quick, unexpected emergencies Split- such as hitting black ice at speed in a turn, someone not seeing you in their blind spot and violently cutting you off at highway speed etc. Even the best driver could use a hand at those times IMO. The best safety devices are the ones that prevent the accident in the first place!

[kkonaka]

(japanese) http://www.asahi.com/car/news/NGY200907270023.html

is saying totally new vitz(yaris) will go into production in late 2010 (2011 model year?) followed by a hybrid version a year later. - asahi is a major japanese newspaper; it may still be a rumor though.

[Lewis]

A hybrid Yaris (which I have read about too- the Prius gets pretty expensive for the fuel it saves) would likely get some impressive mileage- but what about the Yaris' price point- perhaps the thing it sells on the most?

[CTScott]

I just noticed that the 2010 Yaris info has been added to TIS. Here are the new car features for 2010:

1. Brake
The brake control system (ABS with EBD, Brake Assist, TRAC and VSC) has been newly provided; standard on all models for U.S.A. and optional on Canadian models (except Mexican package models).

2. Lighting
The daytime running light system has been discontinued on hatchback models for the U.S.A.

3. Meter
On hatchback models for the U.S.A., the slip indicator light is provided as standard.
On hatchback models for Canada, the slip indicator light, VSC OFF indicator light, and TRAC OFF
indicator light are available as an option.
On hatchback models (5-speed manual) for the U.S.A. and Puerto Rico, the combination meter with the tachometer is available as an option.

4. Enhancement of Product Appeal
A bracket has been provided on the frame of the lower-back area of front seats. In addition, the shape of the headrest used on some models has been changed.

5. Multiplex Communication
Components for the Controller Area Network (CAN) communication have been added. Along with the use of the VSC, the yaw rate and acceleration sensor and the steering sensor assembly have been added to CAN Controller Area Network) as communication components.

6. Cruise Control System
Since the brake control system (ABS with EBD, Brake Assist, TRAC and VSC) has been provided, a function that cancels the cruise control system at the time the VSC is activated has been added.



In the 2010 Model Lineup, the Manual Transmission is listed as a transaxle choice for the 5 door liftback, but it was for the 09 as well.

[uncleyaris]

Cool info!

[markitect]

So does this mean the 2010 you will be stuck with traction control, and not be able to turn it off in the US (lack of an off light)? That sucks!!!

[CTScott]

So does this mean the 2010 you will be stuck with traction control, and not be able to turn it off in the US (lack of an off light)? That sucks!!!

I am not sure if they mean that the VSC off switch will only be available on Canadian cars with the optional VSC or if it means that the switch and, hence light, will be on all cars with VSC. In the EWD for VSC it shows the VSC off switch with a note that says "w/VSC off Switch". Either way, looking at the EWD, adding the switch would be an easy mod.

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My new 2010 Yaris 5door door sticker says VSC and TRAC standard

the owners manual says where the VSC off switch would be -if equippped-.
I have no off switch anywhere...not near the handbrake area where it should be.

So, if I have it, I can't switch it off standard.




By the way...how could I add a switch ? I don't want to get stopped on a slippery slope
by the electronics.....is the info already in these forums ?

[CTScott]

My new 2010 Yaris 5door door sticker says VSC and TRAC standard

the owners manual says where the VSC off switch would be -if equippped-.
I have no off switch anywhere...not near the handbrake area where it should be.

So, if I have it, I can't switch it off standard.




By the way...how could I add a switch ? I don't want to get stopped on a slippery slope
by the electronics.....is the info already in these forums ?




Looking at the EWD for VSC on the 2010, I think that you will find that pin 30 is empty on your VSC ECU connector A30. It looks like that pin is grounded by the VSC off switch (on the non-US cars that have it). So, a quick and dirty test is to ground that pin and see if the Slip Off and Trac Off indicators light up.

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sweet. I got a little project box I will velcro inside the cubby below the
window washer stalk. In the project box I will put 4 spst for cruise control,
resistors, and a simple toggle switch for VSC, all prewired and everything.

then I will run the wires and 1) tap into the CC lines and 2) search for the VSC disable
and if it all goes good I will report me results

[tomato]

(japanese) http://www.asahi.com/car/news/NGY200907270023.html

is saying totally new vitz(yaris) will go into production in late 2010 (2011 model year?) followed by a hybrid version a year later. - asahi is a major japanese newspaper; it may still be a rumor though.


Hello, and welcome to the forum! :w00t:

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cruise control project done. works mint. control box sits on floor till I wire VSC disable to it
:thumbup:
and then it will be velcro'd somewhere.

[127.0.0.1]

Looking at the EWD for VSC on the 2010, I think that you will find that pin 30 is empty on your VSC ECU connector A30. It looks like that pin is grounded by the VSC off switch (on the non-US cars that have it). So, a quick and dirty test is to ground that pin and see if the Slip Off and Trac Off indicators light up.




Ok call me stupid but where is the vsc ecu located ?

[CTScott]

Ok call me stupid but where is the vsc ecu located ?

On other Toyotas it is attached to the master cylinder. I haven't seen it on the Yaris yet, but would think that it is in the same place.

[2009BBPliftback]

I had stability control in my scion xb and the only time it ever was activated is when i was trying to get it to.. being that the yaris is such a small car with a short wheelbase i don't anticipate any problems with winter driving this year.

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Hi,

I am actually scared to try the VSC to ground. I am reading a lot about toyota VSC and there is a risk of losing the zero calibration if the unit.


If I try the euro pin 30 ground, what does the owners manual state about how and when can this VSC off switch be used ? while stopped ? in motion ? engine off or on ? and does it need to be zeroed after use ?

I don't want to possibly mess up the VSC and have it spin me into a tree if I really
need to use it, and it thinks I am 45 degrees from reality....


if techinfo.toyota.com has the manual I will go sign up...in fact I think I will sign up

[CTScott]

Hi,

I am actually scared to try the VSC to ground. I am reading a lot about toyota VSC and there is a risk of losing the zero calibration if the unit.


If I try the euro pin 30 ground, what does the owners manual state about how and when can this VSC off switch be used ? while stopped ? in motion ? engine off or on ? and does it need to be zeroed after use ?

I don't want to possibly mess up the VSC and have it spin me into a tree if I really
need to use it, and it thinks I am 45 degrees from reality....


if techinfo.toyota.com has the manual I will go sign up...in fact I think I will sign up


I have the VSC docs from techinfo. Here's some of the info on the switch

VSC OFF switch - Pressing this switch turns off traction control and pressing and holding this switch turns off traction and VSC controls.


A30-30 (CSW) - Body ground (VSC OFF switch input)
VSC OFF switch held ON - Below 25 Ω
VSC OFF switch OFF (Not pressed) - 10 kΩ or higher

[donmeca2020]

does the 2010 liftback auto also have tach or just the manual tranny has one?

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I have the VSC docs from techinfo. Here's some of the info on the switch

VSC OFF switch - Pressing this switch turns off traction control and pressing and holding this switch turns off traction and VSC controls.


A30-30 (CSW) - Body ground (VSC OFF switch input)
VSC OFF switch held ON - Below 25 Ω
VSC OFF switch OFF (Not pressed) - 10 kΩ or higher


yeah. I subscribed. did it for my 4runner (back when you could
download the WHOLE TIS in one go with a script...I miss those days)


VSC OFF it is a momentary toggle,
and not prewired unless you have a switch.

TRAC OFF MODE

press the vsc off switch briefly
the trac off indicator will come on
system is in trac off and vsc ON mode
push the switch again to turn system back on

VSC OFF Mode
stop the vehicle completely and press the VSC OFF switch for more than 3 seconds

the slip and VSC OFF indicators will come on
The system is in TRAC OFF and VSC OFF mode

------------
automatic reactivation of TRAC and VSC
turn engine off

automatic TRAC on...if vehicle speed increases

automatic TRAC and VSC activation
they will not reactivate when speed increases

EPS operation
when operating the steering wheel a motor sound may be heard



OK I am not scared to wire this thing up anymore now that I know what to expect as a driver,
and all I want was the TRAC OFF anyway....so it looks like....i will test this next week (no time to mess
around this week, I spent enough time already with CC and MPG calculations...only got the Yaris Monday noon....)

location of anti-death robot in the pic

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does the 2010 liftback auto also have tach or just the manual tranny has one?

no tach 2010 yaris 5door LB

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Carp !

The combination meter does not have the VSC off and TRAC off led's in vehicles
without the VSC off switch. So I can wire the -VSC off- all day, but I will have
no indication it is actually off, or the status of it, unless I hog my own LEDS
into the Combo meter....

dang this project is on hold for a while. I don't want to go in there just yet.

[CTScott]

Carp !

The combination meter does not have the VSC off and TRAC off led's in vehicles
without the VSC off switch. So I can wire the -VSC off- all day, but I will have
no indication it is actually off, or the status of it, unless I hog my own LEDS
into the Combo meter....

dang this project is on hold for a while. I don't want to go in there just yet.


And, the indicators are driven by the combo meter receiving CAN bus messages about VSC and TRAC being off, so that makes it almost impossible to add the LEDs.

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And, the indicators are driven by the combo meter receiving CAN bus messages about VSC and TRAC being off, so that makes it almost impossible to add the LEDs.


yup. I will need to go deep ($$$) if I really want VSC/TRAC OFF.

I will just find out how it goes in snow, and if I get stuck. I just won't
clown around.

the 4runner is for that anyway....

[spockmay]

I had stability control in my scion xb and the only time it ever was activated is when i was trying to get it to.. being that the yaris is such a small car with a short wheelbase i don't anticipate any problems with winter driving this year.

Just a note as a former stability control engineer - vehicles with short wheelbases are more unstable in yaw. It doesn't take much lateral movement to cause a high body slip angle, and anything over about 15 degrees is difficult for anyone but those with lots of experience to recover from. Just my 2c...

[why?]

I'm so glad I got a Yaris before all the electronic nannying. But no drl's for 2010? Lucky, oh so lucky.

[auxmike]

I'm so glad I got a Yaris before all the electronic nannying. But no drl's for 2010? Lucky, oh so lucky.

Agreed.
Heck, I don't even have ABS! I do have the DRLs, but so far no bulb has blown out in 1.5yrs of driving with forced on headlights...

[spockmay]

I'm so glad I got a Yaris before all the electronic nannying. But no drl's for 2010? Lucky, oh so lucky.

The lack of DRL is so nice, but even better is the fact that they haven't yet made the stupid automatic lights. I'm not sure if anything on a car annoys me more...

As for the electronic nannying, I wish you could turn it off (without pulling the fuse!), but it sure is nice to have in an emergency.

[DevilGirl]

I'm so glad I got a Yaris before all the electronic nannying. But no drl's for 2010? Lucky, oh so lucky.

Those DRL's on my 09 have gotten me into trouble. They come on when I put the car in gear, but the biggest problem is that they also turn the backlight on for the gauge cluster. Makes me think I already have my lights on. And even though this car has the indicator light to tell you if your actual headlights are on or not, I'm not used to seeing it since it's never been on any prior car I've either owned or driven. So when my guage cluster is illuminated, I think my headlights are on (since that's the only time it ever used to be with all prior cars). Not good at 5:30am, in the dark, and driving on the highways, with lots of traffic........ :mad:

[CTScott]

Those DRL's on my 09 have gotten me into trouble. They come on when I put the car in gear, but the biggest problem is that they also turn the backlight on for the gauge cluster. Makes me think I already have my lights on. And even though this car has the indicator light to tell you if your actual headlights are on or not, I'm not used to seeing it since it's never been on any prior car I've either owned or driven. So when my guage cluster is illuminated, I think my headlights are on (since that's the only time it ever used to be with all prior cars). Not good at 5:30am, in the dark, and driving on the highways, with lots of traffic........ :mad:

I do that as well. I created a DIY a while back for headlights off with the key (which I find mighty handy on rainy and foggy days, where it's easy to forget that you turned them on). I keep meaning to do one for having the tails come on with DRL, so if you forget to turn the headlights on at dusk, at least the tails are on as well.

[why?]

Agreed.
Heck, I don't even have ABS! I do have the DRLs, but so far no bulb has blown out in 1.5yrs of driving with forced on headlights...

I don't have ABS either, thankfully. The bulbs won't blow, but drl's just are horrid.

The lack of DRL is so nice, but even better is the fact that they haven't yet made the stupid automatic lights. I'm not sure if anything on a car annoys me more...

As for the electronic nannying, I wish you could turn it off (without pulling the fuse!), but it sure is nice to have in an emergency.

I disagree. The last thing you want in an emergency is for the car to do something you aren't expecting. The best thing you can have in an emergency is lots of experience driving your own vehicle. It is good to be able to play and exceed the limits in controlled conditions, so that when something does happen, you are ready. Also just driving defensively is better than having any electronic weight adding nanny's.

Those DRL's on my 09 have gotten me into trouble. They come on when I put the car in gear, but the biggest problem is that they also turn the backlight on for the gauge cluster. Makes me think I already have my lights on. And even though this car has the indicator light to tell you if your actual headlights are on or not, I'm not used to seeing it since it's never been on any prior car I've either owned or driven. So when my guage cluster is illuminated, I think my headlights are on (since that's the only time it ever used to be with all prior cars). Not good at 5:30am, in the dark, and driving on the highways, with lots of traffic........ :mad:

Ouch. It would be so nice to have an way to turn them off. Thankfully nothing bad has happened to you yet.

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the electric nannying will save a 'non-drivers' butt. those are the majority of drivers

but those who -drive-, and have had a lot of experience driving and getting things
out of whack in the high school parking lot at night, it may be a problem

I like VSC because I have had my little LeCar R5 Turbo get out of sorts once or twice and I was fishtailing everywhere at 70 mph and came within a hair of flipping it. Sore arms amd ribs later (from my very rapid counter-steering) saved me, but only just. if the Yaris gets out of whack, I will attempt the same, but VSC should make it easier.

the TRAC is something I do not want, it has already left me stuck once...on a steep
dirt driveway where I needed some spin to get up. trac keep bogging me down.

anyhow....cannot disable it. I guess I just have to deal. no worries i like the little Yaris, it is like taking a break from driving the 4runner every day. I can whip the Yaris around a but and there is no danger of tipping over like the 4runner might.

[spockmay]

the electric nannying will save a 'non-drivers' butt. those are the majority of drivers

Exactly! Even as an experienced driver though, it's nice because I can't guarantee that I'm "on" every second that I'm driving. I do my best, but sometimes that one second reaction is the difference between making it home safely and not.

On a related note, a car behind me on the highway entrance ramp this morning spun out (did a 180) when she overreacted to a driver who wouldn't let them onto the highway. Luckily she didn't hit anything and was just shaken up. Oh, and it was mostly dry with some wet patches from yesterday's rain. Most likely if she had ABS she would have been fine...