New buyer questions...winter...

[DaveG]

Hi,
I'm new to these forums as I'm new to the yaris, so "Hi" to everybody. After browsing, I think this is the right place to get all of my pressing questions answered.
Anyway, I'm a university student in pennsylvania studying physics, and in need of some reliable transportation. I've got a 96 subaru legacy that is nickel and dime-ing me to death, and I've been looking at the yaris. I'm all for super fuel economy, cheap small cars with strange styling, toyota reliability, and the room inside the 3 door seems adequate(musician). The dealer has given me a deal at $13,300 for a 5-speed with crank windows, but with a stereo and 15" wheels and such. Does that seem reasonable. I can afford it, but obviously don't want to pay more than I have to. I'm 6'2", and I've got just enough headroom and leg-room. The seats seem to be a little uncomfortable in the lower back, and the rear view mirror is a little low in my field of vision, but I'm thinking that I can learn to live with that sort of thing. Is that reasonable?

What I'm really curious about is two things. First of all, on my test drive today, I almost got clipped twice, first on the highway where an 18-wheeler just started moving over into my lane, and forced me onto the shoulder, and second when at an intersection somebody decided it would be cool to pass me on the left when I was turning left. So do these cars get pushed around on the roads because they're so little? The 2010's crash ratings are decent, but still, its a small car, and any crash in any car can kill you. I'm a little wary about such a small car on the ever increasingly crazy roads.

Second question is the winter driving. You might not think it, but in NE pennsylvania, the winters are brutal. I have a commute every day, and often there is no choice but to drive in it. My subaru is a 5 speed with abs and 4 wheel drive, and its basically like a tank in the winter. Besides the copious amounts of cargo space, the winter driving is the only thing I don't dislike about it, because its awesome. I've had pretty aggressive tread all-season tires on it, and have never even slipped once. I'm a little worried that this car is going to be terrible in the snow compared to the subaru, and again I really don't want to crash or be stuck, or anything like that. So, how are these cars in the bad weather as they come from the dealer, or with slight modifications like snow tires?
Thanks, and I look forward to your help!
Dave

[YAR1S]

In response to your questions.....

what year yaris is that quote for?

a rear view mirror can be changed if need be, any with any new car, you wont be used to it's rear view.

If you get a yaris I highly suggest getting one with fold down seats and even th 60/40 split seats, this makes the yaris verrrrrry versatile and I have hauled many large things and large quantities of material in my yaris because of the fold down seats! :)

I havnt got any complaints from back seat passengers on short trips. however long trips could get a little uncomfortable because the seats are quite stiff....although height and leg room wasnt an issue with my passengers.... some people get annoyed with the fold down passenger seats(especially grumpy old parents, hah).

you buy a small car with the understanding that its not going to survive a crash quite the same way as a suv would.... however my experience with a front on collision with another car at approx. 35mph, the resulting damage wasnt tooooo bad.

I find that because the car is so small sometimes it gets caught in other driver's blind spots, for this you just have to be a cautious driver and always keep your eye on other drivers.... as you should with any other car you drive ;)

I dont find that as a smaller car you are pushed around by other cars, actually you can be quite pushy with other cars because your car is so small and able to manuever more easily and quite zippy for example.

I feel as anyone would in a small car, kind of unsafe but yet kind of at an advantage due to its quite response and ability to get out of situations. You cant prevent crashes and what happens..... happens.... drive a tank if you dont want to get harmed in a crash...lol.

As far as winter driving, these are pretty resonable cars... they are FWD which is good of course.... It snowed about 6 inches here once and I was able to make it out of my road.... which good driving habits, im sure this car would be ok in snow.... its not a rugged 4x4 but its better than most cars like RWD and heavy cars......



hope this info helps you in your decision....

the yaris is very versatile and a joy to drive!
but remember, no car is perfect.

[Altitude]

There have been quite a few members that got into accidents with their Yaris and all of them have walked away unscathed, so it seems like a fairly safe car. I don't notice the people around me treating the car any differently than others so maybe your two near misses were just bad luck. The Yaris is actually quite a bit larger than most 'small cars' so I don't think people have a hard time seeing it.

Reports are that with good snow tires the Yaris does just fine in winter. I can't vouch for that because I only drive it when it's not snowing and the roads are clear. I took it to the store once last winter and slid down my street, but I have summer performance tires on there so I don't think that's an indication of how well it does in the snow if one has proper tires.

[nemelek]

Consider buying a used Yaris. The Yaris is ok for winter driving, however, it is no subaru. Don't expect the same winter driving experience.

[DaveG]

thanks! the quote is for a 2010. I actually misspoke a bit. $13,800. With fees and tag and such, its $14,800.
One thing that stuck me today driving it was the crisp handling, and so I can see what you're saying about avoiding crashes rather than surviving them. Seems like a good trade-off to me, since I've used that strategy more than a few times in the past.
When i asked about seat comfort, I actually meant the drivers seat. It seemed like it protruded into my lower back a bit, but didn't support it. Of course, it could just be adjusting to a new car, since of course the seats on my 16 year old car are beat down quite a bit.
The 60/40 seats seem great, too. At first I didn't think so, but then I realized that you can slide them forward too and they go right to the floor. Taking the false floor off of the spare tire seems to give the car a huge amount of room in the back...certainly enough for me...

[mryaris]

I think the 2010's handle a lot better than the earlier models....probably due to the stability control & electronic brake distribution. I had an '09 hatchback that I rolled back in October and it didn't feel as crisp as the '10 hatchback I bought tob replace it.

Anyway, it is very cold and snowy here in Jackson Hole, Wyoming and all I have done to my Yaris is install a set of snow tires. It slips a bit on the ice, but it never gets stuck. I can zip around on the packed powder roads without it feeling like it's on the verge of losing control.....it is very predicable. I would highly recommend you get a good set of snow tires......well worth the $$. That said, it won't do as well as an AWD Subaru, so keep that in mind.

Having rolled a Yaris I can tell you they hold up very well.....they are tough little cars. If I hadn't bent up both drivers side wheels I could have driven it home. As for the price you have been quoted......I think $13,800 is a tad high for a 3-door without the power package. I paid $14,087 for my Carmine Red 3-door with power package, cold weather package & cruise control and I feel I could have gotten it for less if I tried a bit harder. Does that price include the $750 cash back from Toyota?? If not, then it would be right at $13K even which wouldn't be too bad. If it's $13,800 including the rebate then it is too high....keep negotiating.

Here's a picture of my wrecked '09:

http://myfiero.com/uploads/18748_.jpg

[YAR1S]

I find the drivers seat to be acceptable.... you just have to get used to its straight back design.... I used to drive around in a grand marquis before so the seats were like leaned back recliners..... you just get used to a new car's seats....

[yaris-me]

Buy it.:thumbsup:

[DevilGirl]

Anyway, I'm a university student in pennsylvania studying physics, and in need of some reliable transportation.

Where at in the NE? I'm in the Lehigh Valley.

I'm all for super fuel economy, cheap small cars with strange styling, toyota reliability, and the room inside the 3 door seems adequate(musician).

If you get a yaris I highly suggest getting one with fold down seats and even th 60/40 split seats, this makes the yaris verrrrrry versatile and I have hauled many large things and large quantities of material in my yaris because of the fold down seats! :)

I bought my 09 right before moving. It worked well for moving just about anything I had (except the larger furniture, for obvious reasons). The 60/40 split seats are great since they actually fold completely flat.

What I'm really curious about is two things. First of all, on my test drive today, I almost got clipped twice, first on the highway where an 18-wheeler just started moving over into my lane, and forced me onto the shoulder, and second when at an intersection somebody decided it would be cool to pass me on the left when I was turning left. So do these cars get pushed around on the roads because they're so little? The 2010's crash ratings are decent, but still, its a small car, and any crash in any car can kill you. I'm a little wary about such a small car on the ever increasingly crazy roads.

I find that because the car is so small sometimes it gets caught in other driver's blind spots, for this you just have to be a cautious driver and always keep your eye on other drivers.... as you should with any other car you drive ;)

I dont find that as a smaller car you are pushed around by other cars, actually you can be quite pushy with other cars because your car is so small and able to manuever more easily and quite zippy for example.

you buy a small car with the understanding that its not going to survive a crash quite the same way as a suv would.... however my experience with a front on collision with another car at approx. 35mph, the resulting damage wasnt tooooo bad.

I feel as anyone would in a small car, kind of unsafe but yet kind of at an advantage due to its quite response and ability to get out of situations. You cant prevent crashes and what happens..... happens.... drive a tank if you dont want to get harmed in a crash...lol.

While I havn't had any (*knock on wood*) damages done to my car (well, other than that dang curb catchin the under side of my bumper), I certainly can understand about how a person would be concerned about it. As already stated, others have had crashes in theirs and walked away.

Best bet is to watch everything around you, be aware of situtations that may arise. Same thing I tell my boyfriend all the time when his driving starts getting out of hand, you can control your own actions, but you can't control the actions of others. Defensive driving.

I have had a few close calls while driving mine. But that was mainly due to people just being stupid (like not backing off at a merge point when you are clearly in front of them, and instead getting closer to your car when you blare the tiny horn at them, and then force you to slam your brakes to get behind them so as to avoid ended up into a concrete meridian, since you couldn't speed up due to a car in front of you).

Second question is the winter driving. You might not think it, but in NE pennsylvania, the winters are brutal. I have a commute every day, and often there is no choice but to drive in it. My subaru is a 5 speed with abs and 4 wheel drive, and its basically like a tank in the winter. Besides the copious amounts of cargo space, the winter driving is the only thing I don't dislike about it, because its awesome. I've had pretty aggressive tread all-season tires on it, and have never even slipped once. I'm a little worried that this car is going to be terrible in the snow compared to the subaru, and again I really don't want to crash or be stuck, or anything like that. So, how are these cars in the bad weather as they come from the dealer, or with slight modifications like snow tires?

As far as winter driving, these are pretty resonable cars... they are FWD which is good of course.... It snowed about 6 inches here once and I was able to make it out of my road.... which good driving habits, im sure this car would be ok in snow.... its not a rugged 4x4 but its better than most cars like RWD and heavy cars......

I just got my baby some winter boots last night (Continental Extreme Winter Contact, Jack Williams Tire, $352 for 4 before tax/road hazard protection). I'm really glad that I did. Woke up this morning to 3" of snow on the car before it had changed to rain. Roads near me were hardly plowed if touched at all. She handled fine. Then again, I took it a little easier since the car is still new to me, and I wasn't sure what she would do. Ran it in 2nd for awhile, then 3rd, before finally getting it up to put it in 4th. (5sp tranny) She even plowed through snow that was probably about 6-10" deep due to the stinkin plow trucks that had come through and made it worse.

Happy Yaris-ing!! :burnrubber:

[DaveG]

devilgirl, i'm up near scranton in the poconos. I had the same snow to drive through this morning. I'm enjoy snow, but when it turns to rain, like today, its just gross!
Anyway, I'm thinking I would do the snow tires/steel rims thing, because I can handle a FWD car in the snow pretty well. My parents have a matrix and a carolla, and I'm thinking snow performance will be similar? If so, thats fine with me.
I'm fine with getting used to new cars too. Obviously they're all different, but I'm pretty adaptable. I'm just worried about fitting in the thing at 6'2".

Is there anybody else out there who's tall and drives one of these comfortably? Feedback would be great. This is my last big hurdle before buying it.

p.s., is $13,800 reasonable? Its got the heavy duty starter and heater and whatever, cd player, cargo net and floor mats, 60/40 seats and 15" wheels. I think thats the convenience package? Not the power package.
Thanks!

[tomato]

p.s., is $13,800 reasonable? Its got the heavy duty starter and heater and whatever, cd player, cargo net and floor mats, 60/40 seats and 15" wheels. I think thats the convenience package? Not the power package.
Thanks!

I think you're right, it is the convenience package and yeah, it looks reasonable.

To answer your previous question, I drove a Subaru (AWD) and the Yaris isn't gonna feel the same in the snow but some of the guys up in Canada and in the colder states seem pretty happy with it (with the proper winter tires, though). Wait a couple of days and they might see your thread.

I'm not worried about the Yaris getting in a crash. I used to drive a smaller /lighter car before. The Yaris LB is not that small, plus you sit pretty high up.

[why?]

i'm 6'2" and have driven my Yaris fine for a few years. The only thing I would wish for is a telescoping steering wheel, but it isn't really necessary. Longer drives can get a little uncomfortable, but my daily commute is about 45 minutes both ways, and for that length of time the Yaris is perfect.

[advocate]

6'2" as well. The stock seats never posed a comfort problem. If you're tall then after a while of owning it you'll realize that you're only staring out the upper most section of the windshield and that if you were 2 feet shorter you would have an AMAZING view of the road.

I think that's more of a tall-people-in-small-cars problem than a specific Yaris problem though. As for the seats? They could certainly be more comfortable but I've made multiple road trips in the car already and didn't come out with a back problem. I think you just need to adjust the seat more to find a very specific position you like.

For example when I get in my car I can automatically tell if: 1) the steering wheel has been adjusted 2) the seats are too far forward / backward 3) the seat is reclined too far

If you decide to buy it, when you get it home, take 20 minutes and adjust all the mirrors and the seat / steering wheel and you'll find that the car offers a great field of vision. This + small car handling / mobility offsets any safety issues from owning a small car.

[DaveG]

6'2" as well. The stock seats never posed a comfort problem. If you're tall then after a while of owning it you'll realize that you're only staring out the upper most section of the windshield and that if you were 2 feet shorter you would have an AMAZING view of the road.

I think that's more of a tall-people-in-small-cars problem than a specific Yaris problem though. As for the seats? They could certainly be more comfortable but I've made multiple road trips in the car already and didn't come out with a back problem. I think you just need to adjust the seat more to find a very specific position you like.

For example when I get in my car I can automatically tell if: 1) the steering wheel has been adjusted 2) the seats are too far forward / backward 3) the seat is reclined too far

If you decide to buy it, when you get it home, take 20 minutes and adjust all the mirrors and the seat / steering wheel and you'll find that the car offers a great field of vision. This + small car handling / mobility offsets any safety issues from owning a small car.

Well the top of the windshield thing is exactly what I noticed, and also because of this the rear view mirror was sort of in the way. I think you're exactly right, though, and its a small car problem, not a yaris problem. Being a fan of small cars, I suppose I must adjust. No SUV for me!

[Hershey]

the V.S.C. and T.C. will give you better handling in poor driving conditions . Had a '06 XB with these safety features and did very in ice and snow with the stock GOODYEAR tires . Still suggest studded snows ( all 4 wheels ) for the extra security . Even V.S.C. and A.B.S won't help you stop faster or corner on ice . CONSUMER REPORTS did a test of stops on ice with studded COOPER WEATERMASTER ST-2's and stopped 20 feet shorter than non studded snows . GOOD LUCK :thumbsup:

[Hershey]

forgot , I put a 40 lb. bag of salt in whatever YARIS ( over rear wheels in trunk or hatch ) is being used if snow/ice is predicted for next days travel . Then remove when forecast looks better .

[wooverstone8]

p.s., is $13,800 reasonable? Its got the heavy duty starter and heater and whatever, cd player, cargo net and floor mats, 60/40 seats and 15" wheels. I think thats the convenience package? Not the power package.
Thanks!


That's seems a little high IMO. My 09 Yaris 3-door w/5-speed manual cost $13,250 OTD. It had everything that you listed PLUS the power package (power windows & locks). It didn't come with Trac or VSC, but when Toyota added those two options it only brought the price of the Yaris up about $200.

[Phaeton]

If you don't have back problems to start the Yaris will be fine for a 6'2' person.
I have back problems and commute 60 miles each way. All I can say is OUCH!

[Sidicas]

As for the seats? They could certainly be more comfortable but I've made multiple road trips in the car already and didn't come out with a back problem. Ya, I had a back injury 2 years ago when I was 23.. It took like 8 months to heal to the point where I wasn't in pain on a daily basis, but ever since then I always sit up straight now. In my Saturn SC2, I can't sit up straight in it without smacking my head on the edge of the moon roof so that's yet another reason why I'm going with the Yaris.

I don't think there's any chiropractor out there that will tell you there's anything wrong with sitting up straight with your knees together.. Sitting up straight with your knees apart though is not good as that can cause lower back pain.

I used to always think back problems were for old people until I got my herniated disk.. Not fun, I had to piss into a jar because I couldn't even get out of bed.

[DaveG]

Well, I pulled the trigger today! Ended up being $13,500, $300 below invoice. Meteorite metallic, with a manual transmission and crank windows, but with Cd player. I liked some of the other colors, but they didn't have anything else with a MT and cranks except for bright blue, which I wasn't interested in. At any rate, I'm getting a body side molding put on (father was adamant, and he cosigned on my loan), so I have to wait till Wednesday to pick it up, which will be agonizing.
Now I need to sell my old subaru...

[supmet]

I don't think there's any chiropractor out there that will tell you there's anything wrong with sitting up straight with your knees together.. Sitting up straight with your knees apart though is not good as that can cause lower back pain.

We had ergonomic sheets up in all the offices where I used to work. Feet and knees should be 6-12 inches apart, not together. How are you gonna drive with your knees together anyway?

And congrats dave! met met is my 2nd favorite yaris color.

[Altitude]

6'5" an no problems with comfort. Yes my legs are bent quite a bit but that's typical of almost all cars when you're tall.

[DaveG]

p.s. Body side molding? Is it worth it? The dealer only has black...will that be cool or hideous on a silver car?

[rtom]

Well, I pulled the trigger today! Ended up being $13,500, $300 below invoice. Meteorite metallic, with a manual transmission and crank windows, but with Cd player. I liked some of the other colors, but they didn't have anything else with a MT and cranks except for bright blue, which I wasn't interested in. At any rate, I'm getting a body side molding put on (father was adamant, and he cosigned on my loan), so I have to wait till Wednesday to pick it up, which will be agonizing.
Now I need to sell my old subaru...


I'm getting ready to buy a 3-door manual LB with just the convenience package myself, so I'm jealous!

One quick question for anybody: if you get the stereo that comes with the convenience package, the only way to use an iPod with the stereo is via the AUX input, right? And if this is correct, do I need to also buy an iPod cable?

Congrats again, and wish me luck with the negotiating. My Geo is not running that great so I am hoping to buy before the New Year.

[Snappy]

About the inside mirror, on my 2007 there were two joints in the attachment, and with a little work I could move it up a bit.

[DaveG]

Well, here's the car! Picked it up on Wednesday...what a nice Christmas present of sorts! I LOVE driving it, although I keep forgetting how small it is!
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/xg5a/yaris001.jpg
Next to the old car...
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/xg5a/yaris002.jpg
With me!
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/xg5a/yaris006.jpg

[YarisOwnersDad]

Nice! Congrats!

Tomster

[Altitude]

Grats!- now buy the rear sway bar!!

[deerebilt]

buy it

[JBIZZ]

I'm 6'2" tall. The 1st week driving was uncomfortable for me but after that I was fine. That price seems reasonable based on MSRP values. The car is not intimidating at all so people will push you around on the road. I had to slam on my brakes one time when a semi-tanker decided to switch into my lane, I think he saw me too. One can solve this issue by installing performance axle-back exhaust and air intake, maybe even lowering it a little to give it a more aggressive stance.

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

Slap on a twin turbo 20B rotary motor and then we'll see who's intimidating then.. LOL!!

I made a joke. Yey.

[wooverstone8]

Congrats on the new Yaris!

[Revsson]

Good color choice DaveG!! :thumbup: Congratulations.


Well, here's the car! Picked it up on Wednesday...what a nice Christmas present of sorts! I LOVE driving it, although I keep forgetting how small it is!
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/xg5a/yaris001.jpg
Next to the old car...
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/xg5a/yaris002.jpg
With me!
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/xg5a/yaris006.jpg

[Hershey]

good choice :clap: . We have that color in a 2009 5 door . Like it when it's a greenish grey . Usually in the evening or on cloudy days . Kinda like a mood ring . Enjoy . :thumbsup:

[Sidicas]

I got some of that Prestone De-Icer winshield washer fluid and it works wonders.. If it's a thin layer of ice, I don't even need to scrape it off, just hop in, give the windshields a little fluid, crank up the tunes, wait about 20 seconds and then turn on the wiper and it takes all the ice right off..

[DaveG]

About the inside mirror, on my 2007 there were two joints in the attachment, and with a little work I could move it up a bit.

Any information on how to do this? I'm getting a huge blind spot behind the mirror, which makes right turns a bit scary.
Thanks!

[YarisOwnersDad]

p.s. Body side molding? Is it worth it? The dealer only has black...will that be cool or hideous on a silver car?

I'm glad that you did not get that black side molding. It would have been BUTT UGLY. Side molding should match the color of the car, if it is going to be on the car at all.

Tom

[Sidicas]

Feet and knees should be 6-12 inches apart, not together. How are you gonna drive with your knees together anyway?
HAHA, I'm so overweight 6-12 inches apart is knees together for me. My knees can't get any closer than that. I guess I shoulda been more specific and got out the measuring tape :thumbup:


Well, I had my first experience with the traction control today.. Quite a snow storm we had and my Yaris handled it very well.. Had a little bit of sideways sliding going around a corner too fast in 1" of snow, but nothing major.. The stock tires really aren't great winter tires at all, that's for sure.. Problem is, my good set of Blizzak snows is on my 15 year old Saturn that has a bad Tranny... Changing the tires in the winter time is not fun, especially with snow and ice on the driveway, it can be dangerous if the jack slips.

How do I know if stability control is working? All I saw today was the little boxy traction control icon blinking when I was accelerating from a stop or accelerating out of a turn.. Is there not a stability control light in the 2010 Yaris??

[Hershey]

it's the Vehicle Stability Control that saved you when going around the corner . Brakes are applied to wheels needed to keep the car from going out of control . I've tried it with a '08 2 door L.B. w/o V.S.C. or T.C. but with 4 studded snows then our '07 PRIUS with V.S.C. w/ traction control with the stock GOODYEAR all season tires in a wet snow covered parking lot and there was much better performance in the PRIUS with hardly if any kicking out of the rear end . Still doesn't mean you should drive fast for the conditions ( though many do :rolleyes: ) . Even a computer can't always keep you in check . Regular or studded snows would improve your safety . Glad that you're o.k..

[Hershey]

here's a demonstration for V.S.C. , T.C. , and A.B.S.at www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3m24bjkfg0&feature=fvw. Enjoy the ride :burnrubber: .

[DaveG]

p.s. Sold my old subaru today! what a relief! its yaris or bust for me now!

[Hershey]

Congrats :clap: . We're possibly picking up a 2010 automatic BLAZING BLUE 3 door on Tuesday . Got it for the V.S.C. and T.C.. A friend bought a 2010 METEORITE METALLIC 3 door with auto and is very impressed :burnrubber: by the handling in snow and ice with the stock tires . Plan to put 4 COOPER Weather-MASTER ST-2 studded snowtires on the 2010 for extra security .

[wmgysi]

I think the 2010's handle a lot better than the earlier models....probably due to the stability control & electronic brake distribution. I had an '09 hatchback that I rolled back in October and it didn't feel as crisp as the '10 hatchback I bought tob replace it.

Anyway, it is very cold and snowy here in Jackson Hole, Wyoming and all I have done to my Yaris is install a set of snow tires. It slips a bit on the ice, but it never gets stuck. I can zip around on the packed powder roads without it feeling like it's on the verge of losing control.....it is very predicable. I would highly recommend you get a good set of snow tires......well worth the $$. That said, it won't do as well as an AWD Subaru, so keep that in mind.

Having rolled a Yaris I can tell you they hold up very well.....they are tough little cars. If I hadn't bent up both drivers side wheels I could have driven it home. As for the price you have been quoted......I think $13,800 is a tad high for a 3-door without the power package. I paid $14,087 for my Carmine Red 3-door with power package, cold weather package & cruise control and I feel I could have gotten it for less if I tried a bit harder. Does that price include the $750 cash back from Toyota?? If not, then it would be right at $13K even which wouldn't be too bad. If it's $13,800 including the rebate then it is too high....keep negotiating.

Here's a picture of my wrecked '09:

http://myfiero.com/uploads/18748_.jpg

14 days ago my son rolled a Yaris 2007 Sedan and it got totaled. The air bags did not come out. He wore seat belts and had not one little scratch. The car rolled of the shoulder in a sharp turn at about 60km/h and flipped to the side before hitting a heavy tree trunk. The roof got pushed in in the back about 8" and the window broke in the back. He crawled out the back window. However the door pointing up had the window open and he could have climbed out there as well. One draw back was, that the lights were still on. When I arrived at the crash scene I climbed inside to turn off the lights.

Generally speaking I feel the car is very well build to protect the driver but the insurance company wrote it off as not repairable and gave me a check for $12000+. I will pick up a Yaris Hatchback 2009 model for $ 13500, LE model with Convenience package that includes ABS, Electronic Brake Force Distr., Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, Keyless Entry, Fold Down Rear Seat (60/40), Power Windows, Heated exterior mirrors, Power Remote Mirrors. The latter two I think are included in the LE model, up here in Canada. Good luck with finding a good deal. Check the Internet for Toyota Certified used cars from Toyota dealers near you. I pick mine up a 12 hour Greyhound ride away. If you want I can post a picture but I first have to find out how to do that, so let me know.

[Aothachos]

What year did they put in the side air bags? 09' and up or is it the 2010's only....cuz my 08' yaris sedan only has a driver and passenger airbag , no side airbags which im kind of worried about especially with a 2 year old kid in the back seat. But anytime im pushed around on the road by other cars i get back at them, drive passed them and thats why i keep a cup of pennies in my car cuz i just throw a penny out my window and chips their windshield +P lol i dont really do that but i think of it

[DevilGirl]

What year did they put in the side air bags? 09' and up or is it the 2010's only....cuz my 08' yaris sedan only has a driver and passenger airbag , no side airbags which im kind of worried about especially with a 2 year old kid in the back seat. But anytime im pushed around on the road by other cars i get back at them, drive passed them and thats why i keep a cup of pennies in my car cuz i just throw a penny out my window and chips their windshield +P lol i dont really do that but i think of it

I'm pretty certain that mine has the side airbags. I have the 09.

[Altitude]

'08 here with side airbags. Might have been an option at that point, I just don't recall.