Toyota Recalls

[auxmike]

I'm sure most of you have seen the news about the "sticky" gas pedals recall on the way.
THANK GOD the Yaris is not on the list. We also did'nt get hit with the floormat thing either.:thumbup:
This does not bode well on Toyota. Two problems with potential runaway acceleration with in a couple of months, that sucks!:mad:

[talcum]

This is more for CTScott or one of the real ECU hackers to answer, but given the fly by wire nature of the cars, I'd be suspicious that a few of the ECU's are having problems either due to enviromental effects or firmware flaws. I mean even the PLCs i use occasionally lock up and require a restart.

I'm just glad it's not the Yari ECU.

[41magmag41]

I think that Toyota should recall Yaris's with ABS to replace the rear wheel speed sensors and the wiring harness. Our Canadian neighbors to the north and those of us in New England and parts north are starting to have problems with corrosion of these parts. The ABS light and brake light come on because of corrosion of the parts and it costs between $400 to $600 per side to fix. If you didn't buy the extended warranty you are out almost 1200 bucks. I called Toyota's customer service line and asked if a fix was in the works and basicly got hung up on. Toyota has become the new GM. Buy the car and we don't want to see you again.

[supmet]

I think that Toyota should recall Yaris's with ABS to replace the rear wheel speed sensors and the wiring harness. Our Canadian neighbors to the north and those of us in New England and parts north are starting to have problems with corrosion of these parts. The ABS light and brake light come on because of corrosion of the parts and it costs between $400 to $600 per side to fix. If you didn't buy the extended warranty you are out almost 1200 bucks. I called Toyota's customer service line and asked if a fix was in the works and basicly got hung up on. Toyota has become the new GM. Buy the car and we don't want to see you again.

No thanks, don't raise my bottom line because you decide to live somewhere that destroys cars.

its just funny that 99% of the cars affected were in the States, all over the world not even a peep.....

What is 99% of 2?

[Leslie]

I don't think the gas pedal issue has missed the Yaris. We have a 2010 5-speed and I am glad it is not an auto. I had slowed down to go into a turn so was brakeing then went to downshift for the turn and the tach went to 2500 RPM and stayed there even with my foot off the gas and no cruise on. Tapping the pedal did nothing.

Two days late, I was getting off an interstate ramp, coming to the bottom and a stop, shifted into neutral at the stop and the engine went to 4,000 RPM and again stuck there for a second or so (sure seemed longer) so there is a fly by wire problem with the ECU.

[Leslie]

Mat is away from the pedal and it came from Toyota locked down so it can't move. This is a computer issue and Toyota needs to figure out if it is a software or firmware issue as it is not mechanical on the 2010 I drive.

I also notice a TACH hunt when at idle where it will move up to 1500 then down to about 500 then back up and down. Dealer has no clue as to what is causing it (GO Toyota).

Can't see how this is better than what use to control the injectors in years past. My 91 Celica and 95 Tacoma have mechanical pedals and no problems like this.

I can see how an automatic in the hands of someone who panics can cause a crash. 4,000 RPM would be somewhere around 100MPH which would not be good in a traffic situation.

Dealer at GO says the Yaris is not in the recall program even though I have told them of these two times.

Sad to see quality start to drop off as I have been Toyota for over 30 years of vehicles.

[RedRide]

I think that Toyota should recall Yaris's with ABS to replace the rear wheel speed sensors and the wiring harness. Our Canadian neighbors to the north and those of us in New England and parts north are starting to have problems with corrosion of these parts. The ABS light and brake light come on because of corrosion of the parts and it costs between $400 to $600 per side to fix. If you didn't buy the extended warranty you are out almost 1200 bucks. I called Toyota's customer service line and asked if a fix was in the works and basicly got hung up on. Toyota has become the new GM. Buy the car and we don't want to see you again.

Ok... you "called" and that is where you went wrong. A phone call never gets you anywhere in most circomstances with any corp, etc.

Whenever I have any sort of a problem with any company etc. I always send a registrered letter (siginature required) to outline the problerm, giving them my means of contact. It may be a hassle to get a particular address but, it's well worth it.

This never fails to get attention as they can no longer claim they are unaware of the situation and you have legal proof of the situation.

[Leslie]

Thanks RedRide, I think I will write a letter to Toyota and also the local dealer certified return receipt on both outlining what I wrote here and also include the VIN. This is a serious problem that many on this thread may not have experienced, yet, but it is a problem.

Flash news, the other half just called and it did it today but at least was controllable with the manual transmission.

Maybe it is just a few vehicles with the problem but it is a problem that needs to be addressed by Toyota.

And for Toyota reading this, the mat is way out of the way and is locked down by a factory set of hold downs so it can't move. Which also begs the question as to why Toyota would supply a mat in a vehicle that would cause a pedal jam?

[slothman86]

Thanks RedRide, I think I will write a letter to Toyota and also the local dealer certified return receipt on both outlining what I wrote here and also include the VIN. This is a serious problem that many on this thread may not have experienced, yet, but it is a problem.

Flash news, the other half just called and it did it today but at least was controllable with the manual transmission.

Maybe it is just a few vehicles with the problem but it is a problem that needs to be addressed by Toyota.

And for Toyota reading this, the mat is way out of the way and is locked down by a factory set of hold downs so it can't move. Which also begs the question as to why Toyota would supply a mat in a vehicle that would cause a pedal jam?

just pointing out that that 100% of your posts are about problems with the Yaris...so far

[41magmag41]

You who are complaining as to my methodology in contacting Toyota with my complaint and where I live missed the point entirely. The yaris has a problem with those of us who live in states that have four seasons and use salt to make the roads safe in the winter, roughly 30 percent of the U.S. We are having brake issues with the abs failing because of the salt, that should not happen. Toyota is aware of the problem because they issued a TSB in June of 08 but FAILED to tell their dealers in the northern states to commence doing it automaticly to cars as they came in to avoid any problems. Trust me it will haunt them in the future.

As far as to answering supmet where I live should not matter if toyota quality is up to par and they should do the right thing and issue a recall and fix the abs problem. You can have southern taxifornia and its anti 2nd amendment attitude, enjoy.

[mr9865]

but he only has 4 posts

[Leslie]

Oh, I can feel the love.

Yes complaints but there is a bright side. We are seeing a good constant 43MPG in mixed driving and it handles real nice in the CO snows. We do go to the wash and use the sprayer to spray underneath to remove the salt crud, do that on all the vehicles that go out in the snow.

I did stop by the Toyota shop Saturday and they again ran the VIN and no, no problems reported at all on any Yaris. They did give me a 800# that goes to the usual voice mail heck so I will just write another letter.

No problems noted in over 200 miles of driving yesterday. We have 5K miles on it now and I noticed the maintenance required light was flashing on the way home. Wish it would have done that when I was at the Toyota shop.

Outside of the run away engine problem which is very intermittent so far a great car and the gas mileage on 87 is as noted above.

I am sure Toyota will get the problems fixed, they always have.

BTW, it is her. Yes a gal motor head.

[Kongo-Otto]

its just funny that 99% of the cars affected were in the States, all over the world not even a peep.....

Yes, because its your own fault here if you put several floor mats upon each other and get stuck with the gas pedal.

[daf62757]

No thanks, don't raise my bottom line because you decide to live somewhere that destroys cars.



What is 99% of 2?

And we shouldn't give any federal fund to California because you want to support all those illegal aliens!

[silver_echo]

it is my OPINION that the recall should not even exist at all... i am in the toyota t ten service training program and we are keeping ourselves up to date on this... the problem is that with the affected models, there is no hook for positive retention of the floormats, and most of the american idiots prefer to stack another mat on top, to "protect" the factory floormat from getting dirty... when you stack the extra floormats, they can slide up under the pedals and get stuck...

[b_hickman11]

it is my OPINION that the recall should not even exist at all... i am in the toyota t ten service training program and we are keeping ourselves up to date on this... the problem is that with the affected models, there is no hook for positive retention of the floormats, and most of the american idiots prefer to stack another mat on top, to "protect" the factory floormat from getting dirty... when you stack the extra floormats, they can slide up under the pedals and get stuck...

I thought the new recall that just came out had nothing to do with the floor mat or the actual gas pedal itself? The gas pedal is actually not getting stuck, it's the ECU not responding when the operator releases pressure on the pedal.

[Leslie]

I have to agree it is the ECU. Our Yaris has the hooks holding the floor mat down and we do not have a mat over top like in the other Toyota's we have as we are well aware of the floor mat pedal issue.

Twice for me and once for the other half the ECU kept the engine RPM up or actually increased them the one time to 4,000.

There is also an annoying increase in speed when you cancel the cruise without turning it off. A little unnerving when compared to the 1990's vintage Toyota's with cruise. Cancel them and you feel the engine compression taking over right away.

Other than this little major issue, we love the Yaris and recommend it as we know Toyota will come through. BTW, I found out the engineer who designed the ECU system is 68 and IMHO should have known better. But as the tech at the Toyota shop said '. . this is just progress. . . '. Sometimes the old ways are a little better but again, I have faith Toyota will fix this.

[Kongo-Otto]

I thought the new recall that just came out had nothing to do with the floor mat or the actual gas pedal itself? The gas pedal is actually not getting stuck, it's the ECU not responding when the operator releases pressure on the pedal.


As far as i know the recall consists of several procedures, depending on the model: Shorter gas pedals, ecu change (if your gas pedal is stuck and you hit the brakes, the gas pedal will be cut off electronically) and of course improvements to the floor mats.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Oh, I can feel the love.



.... No problems noted in over 200 miles of driving yesterday. We have 5K miles on it now and I noticed the maintenance required light was flashing on the way home. Wish it would have done that when I was at the Toyota shop.

... Yes a gal motor head. Thats for an oil change reminder every 5K. You can reset it - there is a thread here - maybe a sticky. AFA idle hunting - things will calm down as the engine breaks in - the charging system on this car can place large demands on the engine and will cause some idle hunting. BTW the car will ovverun the engine if you pop into neutral while rolling at a good clip - UR not supposed to do that! Good luck and put some good oil into that thing.

[Cutie Pie #2]

Toyota just suspensed all sales/production for the cars in the pedal recall until they know what's causing it. Just was on Nightly News. At least we'll be ok.

[PaddyMac]

Let us hope that this will not be the end of Toyota in North America

[auxmike]

Toyota just suspensed all sales/production for the cars in the pedal recall until they know what's causing it. Just was on Nightly News. At least we'll be ok.

That's bad, real bad!
Hope we don't end up being the next Audi 5000.
First a family dies due to a sliding floormat, now potential sticking pedal for more runaway cars.....:cry:

[auxmike]

Let us hope that this will not be the end of Toyota in North America

VERY doubtful.:cool:

[Eawalt1]

Does anyone know why Toyota would not want to also recall some of the other cars such as our Yaris since they still don't know what on these cars that is causing the random accelleration?
Is is b/c no one has died in a yaris yet??? Curious on anyone's thoughts.
Not very trustful of Toyota these days but still love my car.

[2009BBPliftback]

and people wonder why i still prefer a car thats actually made in Japan..

[Kioshi]

My opinion - it has to do with quality control on cars being assembled here...our car comes directly built from Japan...from where quality control on almost any car related part or chassis is....top notch

[SilverBack]

It sounds you WANT a recall on the Yaris. Why?

[sqcomp]

Interesting first post...

Perhaps the answer to the question is that our floor mats don't get in the way of the accelerator.

I'd also be willing to bet Toyota has less blood on it's hands than any of the American manufacturers. From exploding gas tanks, to top heavy SUVs, as well as poorly engineered, and poorly manufactured vehicles...it's going to be a LONG time before I buy another American vehicle.

[BluYrs]

http://www.prayingforspain.com/images/flame-ON.gif

why are we talking about this....AGAIN.... Toyota is just playing it safe, and it is only North America (land of I'll sue you for my stupidity...not to be mean but it is a fact) that is getting the recalls last time I heard

+1

Just use the brakes (ATM) or clutch (MTM) to keep the car from accelerating when the gas pedal becomes stuck. If the problem reoccurs, don't use the mat or modify it so it wouldn't iterfere with the pedal's movement.

Or has it been declared illegal to use your own brain to make driving your car safer?

[sqcomp]

+2

OMgaw! My car's accelerator is stuck! the VERY first thing I'm doing is slapping it into neutral. Then I'll try to save my engine with some immediate action and physically using my foot to try to unhook the accelerator if at all possible. By this time I should be onto the side of the road and then I'll turn the engine off.

[CTScott]

I think it's a reasonable question. I also think that Toyota is playing it extremely conservative, but for Toyota to cease selling so many cars, there has to be reason to warrant it.

After my wife saw the news story yesterday and asked why Yaris isn't on the list, I did some research on shared part numbers of accelerator assemblies as, all of the vehicles in the recall list have DBW accelerators like the Yaris. Again, I have no data to justify this comparison, or knowledge of if the potential issue is mechanical (i.e. plastic on plastic binding for example) or electrical (i.e. sensor, wiring fault, or software) in nature.

The Yaris's accelerator assembly is unique to it and the Xd.

For the 8 vehicles in the latest list, the ones which are built in the US and Japan have different part numbers for the US vs. the JPP built parts. The Camry, Camry Hybrid, Corolla, Avalon, and Matrix, and Highlander all share the same part number. The Tundra and Sequoia share the same part number. The RAV4's accelerator pedal assembly is unique to it.

So, basically this explains why for the first 5, if you were going to recall one, you'd recall all. I found it interesting to see that it looks like all Toyota/Scion vehicles now have DBW accelerators.

[BluYrs]

Actually, I've had my Yaris's accelerator stick to the floor mat a few times. It's only happened when it's really cold and the floor mat (rubber) becomes rigid. When I've floored the pedal, it got stuck, but got loose on its own in about a second. Just engaged the clutch and nothing tragic happened. The worse thing about it were the looks of passers-by wondring why someone was randomly revving his Yaris to the limiter :laugh:

So just use common sense and you'll be fine.

[jdms]

and people wonder why i still prefer a car thats actually made in Japan..

:clap:I second that! Japan's QC is far superior to US's. Toyota might try and enforce it in the US plants but it probably doesn't get done. I wouldn't of bought the Yaris if it wasn't 100% assembled in Japan.

I feel this will really hurt Toyota in the long run. Which is really a shame, they make great engines but severely lack in other departments.

[thebarber]

I thought the new recall that just came out had nothing to do with the floor mat or the actual gas pedal itself? The gas pedal is actually not getting stuck, it's the ECU not responding when the operator releases pressure on the pedal.

x2. new recall isnt floor mats, its a gas pedal/ecu problem. Go go Toyota!

[Hershey]

many parts for TOYOTA are now from U.S. . CANADA , CHINA too ? Amazed that the 2009 and 2010 VIBE are not included in the recall . Shame they closed plant in CALIFORNIA .

[Hershey]

not long ago an acquaintance bought a 2009 COROLLA . We told them about recall . Don't think they took it in to shop yet :rolleyes: . Glad we didn't get the 2009 COROLLA we test drove . Didn't like the way it felt on highway ( very light steering , wondered ) and plenty of engine noise with the 5w-20 motor oil they now use from factory . Last , there was a loose bolt on the passenger door guide . When opened door it would click . We thought what else may wrong with it if they can't get a bolt tightened properly . That COROLLA was made in CANADA . Before that we noticed a couple of '08 COROLLAs that had the hood off center ( misaligned ) . They too were from CANADA . This is part of reason we bought the YARIS . Made in JAPAN . Saw less flaws in the ones we looked at and test drove . There were some '09 COROLLAs sold here that were assembled in JAPAN when the redesigned COROLLA was introduced . Wonder if those are being recalled as well ? :iono:

[mrrock]

I have an issue where my throttle doesn't seem to work when I press down;
it's only when starting off in first or reverse. If I stop and wait a second or two it all seems fine. Has anyone else experienced this??

[Hershey]

yep , both our YARIS do this . It's like there's a dead spot in the pedal when going from a stop . Hopefully won't get rear ended by someone in a hurry thanks to this hesitation .

[mrrock]

interesting that your 08 and 10 are doing the same thing.
I had mentioned to my dealer and they have not heard anything about it.

[thebarber]

and people wonder why i still prefer a car thats actually made in Japan..

ya, all we've had is the flammable sound deadening...:rolleyes:

[thebarber]

its just funny that 99% of the cars affected were in the States, all over the world not even a peep.....

past oversea foible

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIAL/CARS/news/34275.html

http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/toyota/toyota_yaris.htm

[2009BBPliftback]

ya, all we've had is the flammable sound deadening...:rolleyes:

That must have been prior to my purchase of a Yaris.

[Yaris Hilton]

The recall on the accelerator cites problems with moisture and corrosion sticking in a part from a single supplier. I haven't seen the name of the supplier in any of the news reports, but the recalled cars were built in North America. The Yaris comes from Japan. Mine had a window sticker attesting to its 0% US or Canadian content.

[roxy1]

:clap:I second that! Japan's QC is far superior to US's. Toyota might try and enforce it in the US plants but it probably doesn't get done..

this is mythology. toyota executives in 2009 applauded the cambridge plant in canada because the problems per 100 vehicles for the corolla were lower there than at any of their japanese plants. in fact, they were pondering what the plants in japan could learn from the cabridge operation. plants in canada and the u.s. operate under the same QC controls as they do in japan.

having spent parts of 3 years in japan and knowing several on the line workers at a toyota plant, i can assure you that assembly workers attitudes are nothing like they were 10-20 years ago. they no longer have a lifetime of employment security and their economy has been faultering for some time. their loyalty is to whoever can employ them.

if the yaris were built in the u.s. or canada, i expect nobody would notice one bit of difference. the only differences that will generally occur is with different (which does not mean better) components used in japanese plants vs candian/u.s. plants. so many parts are outsourced. it is not as though the parts used in japanese built cars are all designed and manufactured in that country.

as was mentioned, the japanese made yaris already had a recall, correct?

[eht13]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/27/news/companies/toyota_sales_halt/

[YANNA07]

I have a 07 LB, 5 speed, speed control, 30K miles. The other day while backing from a parking space the throttle would not respond to the accellerator pedal. After about 5seconds everything was back to normal. No problem since. Does make one a bit anxious.

[thebarber]

as lover of all cars, im hoping that this incident takes the haters on this site down a couple pegs.

as a toyota driver, it kinda sucks for resale, lol

[markitect]

The accelerator that is now being blamed is made by CTS Corp, which is North American. So we should be ok.

The thing that confuses me is CTS supplies more then just Toyota, and it doesn't seem like the Toyota unit would be much different(if at all) from the ones sold to other car makers. I wonder if there will be more recalls down the road.

[eht13]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/27/news/companies/toyota_sales_halt/

Reading this again and thinking about this part more...

"Toyota, which last week had been forced to recall 2.3 million vehicles spread across eight of its models due to problems with a sticking accelerator, announced Tuesday night that it would stop selling those vehicles for an indeterminate period as it scrambles to find a solution.

The models affected include the company's three best sellers in the U.S. -- the Camry, Corolla and Rav4 SUV, which between them accounted for more than half of the Toyota brand's U.S. sales in 2009. Five North American plants will halt production of these vehicles."

... makes me wonder whether dealers will feel more motivated to negotiate on the prices of the other models they can still sell in the meantime, such as the Yaris, in order to help out sales numbers overall.

[ozmdd]

The accelerator that is now being blamed is made by CTU Corp, which is North American. So we should be ok.

Maybe we should skip the recall and get Jack Bauer on this!!

Maybe this is all a ruse to get "Crashy" - if that really is his name - covered under warranty...hmm CTScott!!??!!

[CTScott]

The accelerator that is now being blamed is made by CTS Corp, which is North American. So we should be ok.

The thing that confuses me is CTS supplies more then just Toyota, and it doesn't seem like the Toyota unit would be much different(if at all) from the ones sold to other car makers. I wonder if there will be more recalls down the road.

This was kind of interesting from the AP story. I assume that this was with the FRP made cars. I wonder if CTS supplies to FRP as well.

"Starting in December 2008, similar problems were reported in Europe with the Aygo and Yaris models. Toyota said it lengthened a part and changed the material to fix the problem, starting in August 2009."

[cali yaris]

At least these posts show that it's not all just driver stupidity, we ARE dealing with a real problem with a physical part, not just a floor mat -- so can we just drop that?

[BuildCode]

mine has this too, I haven't pinned down the exact circumstances that cause it, but it's certainly more noticeable when you go quickly from no/little pedal to much more. It's not exactly a confidence inspiring feature of the Yaris ;)

blarg my post was moved here - edited to point out my post has nothing to do with the pedal recall (although who knows, it could :tongue:)

[Hershey]

the automaic '09 5 door that we traded in for the 2010 automatic 3 door did it as well .

[CTScott]

Maybe we should skip the recall and get Jack Bauer on this!!

Maybe this is all a ruse to get "Crashy" - if that really is his name - covered under warranty...hmm CTScott!!??!!

Hey - Crashy should still be covered by warranty. I haven't found anything in the owners manual that says that plowing snow violates the warranty.

[supmet]

My car always takes off from a stop immediately when I touch the gas.

Something tells me driving like a grandma/hypermiling trains the ECU not to respond to light touches on the accelerator

[Dave]

Have never had any acceleration problems with my 2007 sedan. It's actually more peppy off the start than the other two cars I've owned.

[ozmdd]

Hey - Crashy should still be covered by warranty. I haven't found anything in the owners manual that says that plowing snow violates the warranty.

LOL. I think Crashy should end up in a hall-of-fame somewhere. Its also the perfect answer to the stuck-accelerator thing...the plow takes all the impact!
:bonk:

[BluYrs]

Yup, I've also felt a sort of a "dead spot" with mine. It takes some getting used to but it doesn't affect my driving.

Similar discussion in this thread (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=933).

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

LET ME CHIME IN HERE AND ACTUALLY ANSWER OP'S QUESTION.

yaris is EXCLUDED from recall due to the fact that its manufactured in JAPAN and our pedal/s do not come from the american source that is the problem.Which is also why LEXUS is not part of that recall also even though it was in the news LAST with a so called sticky pedal due to floor mats. Even though there are 8 models involved, NOT ALL will be getting the fix. All depends on WHO manufactured pedal and its betwen DENSO and CTS of which the CTS pedals are the ones in question.......






NOW the kiddies can go back to fighting..........

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

For the 8 vehicles in the latest list, the ones which are built in the US and Japan have different part numbers for the US vs. the JPP built parts. The Camry, Camry Hybrid, Corolla, Avalon, and Matrix, and Highlander all share the same part number. The Tundra and Sequoia share the same part number. The RAV4's accelerator pedal assembly is unique to it.

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CAMRY HYBRID and HIGHLANDER HYBRID are excluded from this recall......

[CTScott]

CAMRY HYBRID and HIGHLANDER HYBRID are excluded from this recall......

Thanks for the clarifications.

[DerFlosser]

DBW throttles suck. Period.

[marcus]

most cars affected was not made in japan... it could be all of them.. yaris and fj cruiser so far is still jdm

[MadMax]

Wow, anyone remember what the "unintended acceleration" problems did to Audi back in the late 70s-early 80s? The following is from Wikipedia...

This decline in sales was not helped in the United States by a 60 Minutes report which showed faked footage of an Audi 5000 suffering from a supposed problem of "unintended acceleration" when the brake pedal was pushed, and emotional interviews with six people who had sued Audi after they crashed their cars.

Independent investigators concluded there was no mechanical problem, and driver error, partially due to drivers not paying attention to the closer placement of the accelerator and brake pedals than some American cars.

The difference was partially attributed to European driver's preferences for smoother heel-and-toe driving techniques. This did not become an issue in Europe, possibly due to more widespread experience among European drivers with manual transmissions.

The report immediately crushed Audi sales, and Audi renamed the affected model (The 5000 became the 100/200 in 1989, as it was elsewhere).

Audi had contemplated withdrawing from the American market until sales began to recover in the mid-1990s. The turning point for Audi was the sale of the new A4 in 1996, and with the release of the A4/A6/A8 series, which was developed together with VW and other sister brands (so called "platforms").

I wonder if the same phenomenon is happening with the Toyotas?!?

[127.0.0.1]

since the toyota recall news...

I am sure the lady who just 'accelerated' into a laundromat, is a slap-happy lawsuit wannabe who did it intentionally just to gain attention in her sad boring life....you'll see

[127.0.0.1]

DBW throttles suck. Period.

yeah they kinda do. I have near molecular precision driving at slow speeds and can creep at any slow speed in my 4runner. that has a cable to the throttle body.

in any electronic drive, I just don't have that same precision. no matter what, there is a tiny jump from no throttle to small throttle. it blows.

it doesn't matter much in real life, but when I am parking my 2 rigs back to back I can
get so much closer with the 4runner than when driving the Yaris.

[RedRide]

My car always takes off from a stop immediately when I touch the gas.

Something tells me driving like a grandma/hypermiling trains the ECU not to respond to light touches on the accelerator

This may or may not have something to do with it.
As the ECU will monitor your driving habits and "tune" your engine acordinly,
perhaps there is some sort of glitch in the ECU?

Personally, I frequently access WOT.
While the throttle response is never completely linear, (it is marketed as an economy car) I don't have anything that I would describe as hesitation with my '09 HB manual.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

since the toyota recall news...

I am sure the lady who just 'accelerated' into a laundromat, is a slap-happy lawsuit wannabe who did it intentionally just to gain attention in her sad boring life....you'll see

sounds like the women here who drove over a parking barrier and rammed into a wall claiming the pedal was stuck.....

[MadMax]

Well, maybe it wasn't intentional; but that doesn't mean it wasn't her fault/driver error and not the cars!

[supmet]

Wow, anyone remember what the "unintended acceleration" problems did to Audi back in the late 70s-early 80s? The following is from Wikipedia...



I wonder if the same phenomenon is happening with the Toyotas?!?

Ya, the american media is hoping they can achieve this effect by playing the toyota recall 24/7. I guess it makes sense since we all own a piece of the american car companies.

[Hershey]

we may see a recall for the YARIS . A driver of a 2006 PRIUS had her car take off and crashed into a stream . Claims wasn't the pedal or the mat . Not sure if YARIS ( 1.5 ltr. engine ) and PRIUS ( 1.5 ltr engine ) use same unit made by C.T.S. and both are assembled in JAPAN . 2009 and 2010 PONTIAC VIBE now added to the list . Cars in CHINA and EUROPE will be recalling vehicles as well . Let's keep our fingers crossed .

[MUSKOKA800]

Apparently the 'bad' gas pedal assemblies were/are produced here in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.
Front page news for today's Toronto Star. Headline: TOYOTA'S PERFECT STORM

[Hershey]

2009 and 2010 PONTIAC is now added to the list .CHINA and EUROPE are have been notified for recalls too .

[RedRide]

Just to put things into perspective......

Down through the years, there have always been cases of repoprted "gas pedal sticking"

Whether all cases have been true or made up in an attempt to divert attention from driver's screw ups we will never know.

[jambo101]

I had a throttle problem shortly after i bought the car (08 sedan),every once in a while (2-3 times a week)i'd get no response from the throttle,the car would remain in idle but no amount of pressing the gas peddle would make it do anything else,dealer changed a whole bunch of wires in the engine bay and the problem hasnt returned since:iono:

[RedRide]

Perhaps due to the bad publicity of TBW, we might see a retun to a cable actuated throttles?

No TBW can be good advertising copy for those concernd about the safety and performance of TBW

[DerFlosser]

I had a throttle problem shortly after i bought the car (08 sedan),every once in a while (2-3 times a week)i'd get no response from the throttle,the car would remain in idle but no amount of pressing the gas peddle would make it do anything else,dealer changed a whole bunch of wires in the engine bay and the problem hasnt returned since:iono:

Maybe you could post the work order or email a copy of the work order to the OP. That might help if they are experiencing this.

[DerFlosser]

yeah they kinda do. I have near molecular precision driving at slow speeds and can creep at any slow speed in my 4runner. that has a cable to the throttle body.

in any electronic drive, I just don't have that same precision. no matter what, there is a tiny jump from no throttle to small throttle. it blows.

it doesn't matter much in real life, but when I am parking my 2 rigs back to back I can
get so much closer with the 4runner than when driving the Yaris.


Agree....with a cable I can creep meticulously and with DBW sometimes I can and sometimes it bucks like a bull with a swollen prostate. I despise DBW but it's now the status quo.

[MadMax]

Something tells me driving like a grandma/hypermiling trains the ECU not to respond to light touches on the accelerator

Nope, I drive like a grandma and have never experienced this.

As a matter of fact, compared to my Jeep the Yaris gas pedal is as smooth as butter. Both are autos and the Jeep shifts into OD way too early (45 MPG). Plus, on several occassions it has accelerated a little--like a lurch--on me when I've had my foot on the brake (trust me, I an 100% it was on the brake!). It is a well known "characteristic" of 05 TJs/LJs (http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/tj-accelerates-when-braking-678443/) attributed to the ECU bumping up the RPM at low speeds (2-5 MPH) when the front tires at at full lock thus putting a strain on the power steering, but it is discerning nonetheless!

Cheers! M2

[ozmdd]

Ya, the american media is hoping they can achieve this effect by playing the toyota recall 24/7. I guess it makes sense since we all own a piece of the american car companies.

I think the media is just willing to air any sensational story to death, period. I don't see how they would have much agenda on this. After all, Toyota is a HUGE part of the American economy, between all the Toyota factories in the states, the dealerships, etc. It only hurts the US to have such a big player stop generating revenue, even for a short time.

[127.0.0.1]

I think most Toyota owners will just blow this off, get it fixed, and still be damn
happy to own a toyota. it still wins over other cars.
one major problem isn't gonna take down the brand. it isn't hurting my image of Toyota, nor my co-workers who already own them.

if you've owned one long-term....you know what I am saying

[127.0.0.1]

Perhaps due to the bad publicity of TBW, we might see a retun to a cable actuated throttles?

No TBW can be good advertising copy for those concernd about the safety and performance of TBW

that will never happen. it is impossible to meet new emission standards without electronic throttle controls except on very limited set of engine designs.

the lag between human foot on a cable to the throttle body vs the electronics
figuring out what you are attempting to do allows too many emissions. having the computer intervene ahead of time ensures the ECU can keep within parameters and never go outside the envelope.

[marcus]

throttle controllers will help.. so far theyre about $125...not gonna make your car any faster but atleast itll get rid of that small annoying lag.

[marcus]

i bet honda is taking advantage of this recall..

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

i bet honda is taking advantage of this recall..

GM dealer by me has a billboard that reads" OUR PEDALS DON'T STICK"....

[MadMax]

GM dealer by me has a billboard that reads" OUR PEDALS DON'T STICK"....

Maybe so, but the rest of their cars suck! :barf:

[fearturtle44]

Apparently the 'bad' gas pedal assemblies were/are produced here in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.
Front page news for today's Toronto Star. Headline: TOYOTA'S PERFECT STORM

The manuf company is also saying that they produced the part according to Toyota specs. I see the lawyers coming out of the woodwork on this one!

[marcus]

lolz

[Twistoffate0817]

Hello, today I went to buy a honda civic, due to im sort of unsatisfied with my yaris, and I hate to report that the yaris is worth way less then before toyota started having issues. The salesman basically told me im screwed now, due to toyotas recalls. So stick with your cars for a long time :)

[Twistoffate0817]

I honestly believe my pedal is affected. It is hard to push at times, and is weird.

[Leslie]

Toyota is aware of the Yaris problem. the Matrix has the same problem. Toyota was more than happy to work with me on the Yaris issue and I have a case number assigned to the VIN.

thanks for the 5K problem, I got that solved by changing to AMSOIL 0W30 and a new filter and the reset procedure. Should be good for more than 5K miles on full synthetic oil and better the 45MPG we have been getting since it is ageing in a little more.

Toyota will get this fixed, they always do fix a problem. The local dealer leaves a little to be desired. The 800 # is great and after you listen to a long recording of all the makes and models you can actually get a human.

1-800-331-4331 is the number I was given to call and it is good for any Toyota model and issue.

BTW they were impressed with the near 400K miles on the Celica and near 200K miles on the Tacoma.

[scape]

I have a 07 LB, 5 speed, speed control, 30K miles. The other day while backing from a parking space the throttle would not respond to the accellerator pedal. After about 5seconds everything was back to normal. No problem since. Does make one a bit anxious.

the first year I owned my car it had some funky electrical glitches, maybe within the first 6months - year: it had a hard time starting, turning the starter many times, turning the engine a few times, dash board lights flashed on and off and then the engine turned on and then off and then on again. that kind of thing happened twice so far. that second time i was like, oh crap and then waited a sec and then started to driver her off and she started to jump a bit (fuel cutoff?), flashing dashlights more and it played with the rev's. the whole thing was very strange and made it seem like some clunky console video game haha. since then, it's been straight and narrow and has not given me a problem yet. but that thought always sits in my head about how computer controlled this car really is.

[marcus]

that dealers know s%$T... yaris is not even affected since yaris still made in japan..

[BuildCode]

Of course the HONDA salesperson told you your Toyota is worth less!

[marcus]

not affected are Toyota Prius, Tacoma, Sienna, Venza, Solara, Yaris, 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser, Highlander hybrids and Camry hybrids

[marcus]

not affected are Toyota Prius, Tacoma, Sienna, Venza, Solara, Yaris, 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser, Highlander hybrids and Camry hybrids

[UTVitz]

Any reason to low ball a person on their trade I say. Sell it private party or prepare to give it up for whole sale. And from everything I've read so far the cars with Japenese Denso parts are perfectly fine. Just some little connection wearing out prematurely from CTS-US built components in the floor pedal.

[specialeducator]

Actually, I am planning on sticking with my car a long time. That's the reason I bought a Toyota.

[Thirty-Nine]

Any reason to low ball a person on their trade I say.

QFT.

[ozmdd]

Twist...you went to buy a civic when you have an 09 Yaris? Yeah, the salesman thinks he's got an easy mark, I'm afraid. And "yes", your value will appear to suck on a 1-year old car. You are smack dab in the worst possible spot for depreciation. After a couple more years, your depreciation will level-off when many other cars continue to drop. Of course, the Yaris is an economy car at heart, and will never have high resale, other than compared to similar market vehicles. Even Mini Coopers and Prius' take a big hit at resale in the first 2 years, and they are high on the supply/demand curve.

Take a look at what Echo's are selling for in the US used market. I found that they were about a grand higher than most 2000-01 Econo-boxes (Kia, Hyundai, Mazda, Chevy, Ford, etc.) In about 8-10 years, your Yaris will have good value because it will still run well and be reliable while much of the competition in this segment will be worth $1500-$2000. Yaris might be closer to $3K. You didn't really expect to get more than 75% of what you paid after a year, I hope.

Always plan on eating 40% of what you pay for a new car. The trick is to be 100% paid off by the time that 40% mark rolls around (usually about 3 years), then sell privately and reinvest in another car. With some cars you get lucky and get a little more for it, but the key is to pay it off in 3 years. That's the highest point on the resale curve, relative to cost and value.

[ozmdd]

Actually, I am planning on sticking with my car a long time. That's the reason I bought a Toyota.

Best idea of all, and most financially-sound. No car payment for 5 or 6 years after the loan is paid is super-sweet! :headbang:

[bzinn 1]

yeah anyone selling a toyota now is gonna get screwed,bad idea,should of kept it and enjoyed it......but if not happy with car then hey perhaps it was not right for you.

[auxmike]

I've had to double stomp on the gas to get the car to downshift and increse speed a few times while merging into busy traffic.
Something like this would happen; Go to on ramp, floor it as you merge and.... NO response! Had to "restomp" to get things "back" again, kinda scary.... The car did'nt stall, it just did'nt rev any higher or downshift with the pedal floored......
Boy, I hope Toyota can get outta this mess and come out on top. I HATE hearing about this recall thing everytime I say I own a Toyota...:cry:

[yarisugi]

http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/simpsons-the-doh-49005791.jpg

[Hershey]

HONDA dealers don't like to give good trade ins or discounts . It's the car that sells itself :bow: . Thats why we buy TOYOTAs . More chance of a dealer discount and the TOYO rebates that go along with good trade in value . Otherwise we'd have a HONDA by now . Last , HONDA dealers act like they're doing you a favor or just ignore you when in their showroom or on the lot :mad: . Can't always judge a book by its cover :wink: .

[Black Yaris]

best trade in is always at the dealer of said model being traded in

[toyo]

sell your yaris elsewhere, don't believe everything a salesperson says, you should be ok lol

seriously, sell it on your own and then get the honda :thumbsup:

[SilverBack]

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv229/deserteagle357/Funny/obama_hand.jpg

[RedRide]

Hello, today I went to buy a honda civic, due to im sort of unsatisfied with my yaris, and I hate to report that the yaris is worth way less then before toyota started having issues. The salesman basically told me im screwed now, due to toyotas recalls. So stick with your cars for a long time :)

Help me m understand this......

Are you saying a Honda dealer wants to give you less than it worth if you trade in your yaris hoping you believe their BS?.:wink:

Yaris is not even involved in any recall.

Honda is actually the company that is having overall quality issues.

[RedRide]

that will never happen. it is impossible to meet new emission standards without electronic throttle controls except on very limited set of engine designs.

the lag between human foot on a cable to the throttle body vs the electronics
figuring out what you are attempting to do allows too many emissions. having the computer intervene ahead of time ensures the ECU can keep within parameters and never go outside the envelope.

Never say never.

The TBW is more related to MPG, not emissions.
The ECU trying to figure out what you are tring to do is a never ending excersize in futility at best.

If the general public loses faith in the TBW system they, will design TB cable in future designs. It is a buyers market after all.

TBW seemed like a good idea a first but it is not standing up to the test of time.
The auto industry in in the mist or a high tech orgy and perhaps they need to rethink the TBW concept

IMO, throttles should be under the direct control of the driver just like brakes are.

Would you buy a car with a brake by wire sys where your brake pedal is only conected to an electric sensor?
I certainly would not.

[winfong]

if you.... take off your cats, Change your headers to an after market 421, Change to a straight through Muffler..... and Bore a few holes in your Airbox (before the Filter).... you won't get that "Lag" effect.....
Your LAG effect will turn into a "SURGE" effect....

And you will LOVE the drive.....

^^

[jambo101]

Maybe you could post the work order or email a copy of the work order to the OP. That might help if they are experiencing this.

The work order i got just said wires changed in engine bay:iono: The service manager was quit vague about what the mechanic was actually changing and kept assuring me not to worry as its under warranty:iono:

[sqcomp]

GM would have to GIVE me a car for free before I'd drive one.

The problem with the big three is that the product and support sucks. Period.

My last car I bought new (dodge SRT). I will not buy another American car because of the lack of everything, engineering, quality, and dealer support because of that car. Yes, I could smoke a 350Z and an S2000...when the car worked...

Within 3 years I had that car in for problems no less than twelve times. MOST of those instances, I had to fix it myself because the "techs" couldn't figure out what to do to replace spark plug wires that liked to melt (just one of the many problems).

My little Yaris, has saved me money, it looks good, and has better resale value than any other car I've owned. I have not had any issues with it at all. The dealership has treated me like gold as well...even though I purchased the bottom line vehicle.

[jambo101]

Twist...you went to buy a civic when you have an 09 Yaris? Yeah, the salesman thinks he's got an easy mark, I'm afraid. And "yes", your value will appear to suck on a 1-year old car. You are smack dab in the worst possible spot for depreciation..

Lot of people never realize that depreciation is real money leaving your pocket,trading a new car after just 1 year in this particular case will cost the owner around $4000 for the Yaris and another $4-$5k depreciation on the Honda:iono:I'll guarantee if the OP was dealing in real cash instead of plastic, paperwork and monthly payments the wisdom of this move might be more apparent.

[MUSKOKA800]

The salesman basically told me

:iono: Well, that's it then. It must be fact. :bellyroll:

[MUSKOKA800]

The manuf company is also saying that they produced the part according to Toyota specs. I see the lawyers coming out of the woodwork on this one!

In the Toronto Star article Toyota state that it is no fault of the manufacturer. Toyota take full responsibility.

Toyota no doubt engineered the part then tendered it out for production. It would appear to be a design flaw, not a manufacturing defect.

[DerFlosser]

Obviously the guy is a troll.

[Kongo-Otto]

So ... we have the recall here in Europe:

Affected Cars Production
AYGO Februar 2005 - August 2009
iQ November 2008 - November 2009
Yaris November 2005 - September 2009
Auris Oktober 2006 - 5. Januar 2010
Corolla Oktober 2006 - Dezember 2009
Verso Februar 2009 - 5. Januar 2010
Avensis November 2008 - Dezember 2009
RAV4 November 2005 - November 2009
Source: Toyota Cologne, Germany

Sorry, was too lazy to translate everything. Our Yaris is made in France at TMMF, except Yaris TS which came from Japan.

Looks like we did not dodge the gas pedal recal...

[chew246214]

OK if you check other posts you will see I had to go on a nice extended ride with the service manager of the local dealer... we got to talking so this is an unoffical heads up.... Oweners of 2000- 2004 or 2005 toyota tacomas are getting a recall for frame rot again.. He doesn't think it will be as easy for buy backs as the past 1995-2000 frame recalls but is anticipating to have to check every frame rustproof, or even replace the frames if needed... the trucks values are too high to justify the buyback program that they did on the last round of recalls.... I think we just had too much time driving around and he probably told me quite a bit more then he should have.. but hey just passing on the info figuring people here might know others or even yourselves with the affected trucks..... All unoffical of course... if it helps you great if not sorry to waste your time

[BluYrs]

It's official- the recall involves the Yaris as well, only in Europe.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/officially-official-toyota-europe-recalling-8-models-1-8-milli/

Also, the Fit has some issues...
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/honda-recalls-646k-fits-around-the-world/

[RedRide]

The work order i got just said wires changed in engine bay:iono: The service manager was quit vague about what the mechanic was actually changing and kept assuring me not to worry as its under warranty:iono:

Changing wires? You have "bad wires"?

I must say, Toyota now seems to be getting a bit evasivie about the TBW problems.

There is obviously something wrong with some controler and/or a design flaw and saying the solution is just a "wire change" reaks of a public relation campaign designed to sugar coat the problms.

You have every right to be "woried" and concerned about it as it is your car!
If it was me, I would demand to know exactly what the problem is/was and, exactly what steps were taken to rectifiy the probem.
You also have a legal right to know.

I repete, it is your car!

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/officially-official-toyota-europe-recalling-8-models-1-8-milli/

IQ, yaris and a few more.....

[thebarber]

dbw ftL

[eht13]

Updated FAQ's for the US HERE (http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/FAQ-for-Sticking-Accelerator-Pedal-152196.aspx)

[Kongo-Otto]

AYGO Februar 2005 - August 2009
iQ November 2008 - November 2009
Yaris November 2005 - September 2009
Auris Oktober 2006 - 5. Januar 2010
Corolla Oktober 2006 - Dezember 2009
Verso Februar 2009 - 5. Januar 2010
Avensis November 2008 - Dezember 2009
RAV4 November 2005 - November 2009

[127.0.0.1]

Never say never.

The TBW is more related to MPG, not emissions.
The ECU trying to figure out what you are tring to do is a never ending excersize in futility at best.

If the general public loses faith in the TBW system they, will design TB cable in future designs. It is a buyers market after all.

TBW seemed like a good idea a first but it is not standing up to the test of time.
The auto industry in in the mist or a high tech orgy and perhaps they need to rethink the TBW concept

IMO, throttles should be under the direct control of the driver just like brakes are.

Would you buy a car with a brake by wire sys where your brake pedal is only conected to an electric sensor?
I certainly would not.

I will say never on this. you stomp the gas on DBW, the computer decides
how fast to open it up. this is the only way cars can meet gov regs. gov regs are the issue. I would rather have direct like in my 4runner, but reality is, that is all going away.

drive by wire system are proven to be as reliable if not more reliable than old-school. but they need to be engineered and built properly like anything else, or they can and will fail. brakes will always have a fail-safe mechanism
which is some type of direct braking, in case all other systems fail.

[Twistoffate0817]

I appreciate all the feedback. :) The honda salesperson told me that "all toyotas are not selling well at this moment due to the recent recalls." I am sure this is true, but it makes no sense that my trade in would be worth way less then what it truly is worth just due to a recent recall. I paid off my Yaris within one year, so i have no car payments right now. My main reasons for not wanting to keep my yaris is the acceleration for me is beyond horrible. It feels like the car has about a thousand bricks in it when trying to accelerate. I have taken it in and been told there is nothing wrong with it. I am always resetting my feet to fit and push the acceleration pedal (which is sometimes hard to push)..which makes me worry about the recent recalls. Sometimes the brakes are mushy, and sometimes they are great. And I understand this is winter, but my car is getting around 27 mpg. It is not worth me being upset everytime i drive my car. I test drove the civic yesterday, the acceleration is beyond perfect, and the entire inside is great. Yeah i will lose a few MPG, but i drive with a light foot and coast whenever possible. Am I making a bad move? Is there something wrong with my Yaris?

[talnlnky]

+2

OMgaw! My car's accelerator is stuck! the VERY first thing I'm doing is slapping it into neutral. Then I'll try to save my engine with some immediate action and physically using my foot to try to unhook the accelerator if at all possible. By this time I should be onto the side of the road and then I'll turn the engine off.
yet another reason to get the MT instead of AT... Even at highway speeds in a MT you can safely turn ignition off, wait 2 seconds for rpm to die down, then put ignition to accessory which gives you power steering & power brakes.

i'd like to see how many of these deaths occurred on AT vs MT cars.

[slothman86]

I mean would it be so hard to covert from a DBW? A few brackets and an old throttle cable...?

I just think that the 4 or so investigations into runaway Toyotas that showed there was no problem were correct. Some one correct me if I'm wrong but...anyway

The other day some lady crashed into my friends apartment building...

She was sideswiped and slammed on the brakes and the accelerator. She came to a stop and released only the brakes. She then created a huge hole in the wall. Srsly, this was operator error. It just shows you that people will have runaway cars even if their throttle /ecu is working fine.

I don't think there is really any ecu problem. GM smear campaign? I dunno, I just know that My Toyotas perform how I want them to.


I appreciate all the feedback. :) The honda salesperson told me that "all toyotas are not selling well at this moment due to the recent recalls." I am sure this is true, but it makes no sense that my trade in would be worth way less then what it truly is worth just due to a recent recall. I paid off my Yaris within one year, so i have no car payments right now. My main reasons for not wanting to keep my yaris is the acceleration for me is beyond horrible. It feels like the car has about a thousand bricks in it when trying to accelerate. I have taken it in and been told there is nothing wrong with it. I am always resetting my feet to fit and push the acceleration pedal (which is sometimes hard to push)..which makes me worry about the recent recalls. Sometimes the brakes are mushy, and sometimes they are great. And I understand this is winter, but my car is getting around 27 mpg. It is not worth me being upset everytime i drive my car. I test drove the civic yesterday, the acceleration is beyond perfect, and the entire inside is great. Yeah i will lose a few MPG, but i drive with a light foot and coast whenever possible. Am I making a bad move? Is there something wrong with my Yaris?

Just wondering how you are getting that horrible MPG with a light foot? I have yet to hit 20's even when putting it to the floor all day...

[Twistoffate0817]

I am not sure either, but winter gas, and being in NJ where its cold and i only travel about 10-15 miles. So the car never gets a chance to warm up to its full engine temperature.

[slothman86]

I am not sure either, but winter gas, and being in NJ where its cold and i only travel about 10-15 miles. So the car never gets a chance to warm up to its full engine temperature.

hmm, that get's me thinking about how many MPGs autocrossers get after racing around all day...?

[toad]

I mean would it be so hard to covert from a DBW? A few brackets and an old throttle cable...?

I just think that the 4 or so investigations into runaway Toyotas that showed there was no problem were correct. Some one correct me if I'm wrong but...anyway

The other day some lady crashed into my friends apartment building...

She was sideswiped and slammed on the brakes and the accelerator. She came to a stop and released only the brakes. She then created a huge hole in the wall. Srsly, this was operator error. It just shows you that people will have runaway cars even if their throttle /ecu is working fine.

I don't think there is really any ecu problem. GM smear campaign? I dunno, I just know that My Toyotas perform how I want them to.




Just wondering how you are getting that horrible MPG with a light foot? I have yet to hit 20's even when putting it to the floor all day...

it's interesting - the local media is jumping all over this because human nature is to kick someone when they're down, especially if they're at the top of their game(i'm not saying toyota is perfect - far from it, but better than most of the rest imho). i don't know if i buy the 'smear campaign', but i will admit i've heard some stories of other dealerships trying to create a panic out of this(like they think we'll all forget the problems others have had in the past - ie. blowouts, rollovers, flaming engines, etc.). just goes to show that nobody is perfect - whether it's automakers or people.

[Sidicas]

I just bought a 2010 Yaris a couple months ago and I love it.
.
The timing of the recall was absolutely perfect.. Have you seen Toyota's stocks plummet?
One person's catastrophe is another person's opportunity..

I'm buying up Toyota stocks like crazy now.. The media is on my side, scaring people into selling off their Toyota stocks below their value and running for the hills due to the gas pedal problems.. Toyota's going to announce a fix for it next week and during the same week, announce their earnings for the previous quarter which is pretty much unaffected by the gas pedal scare.

I predict Toyota stocks to be very volatile and a great opportunity to make some serious money real fast... Yes! Let's all forget about how successful the Prius is, SELL SELL SELL!!

Just look at all the hordes of people selling their Toyota stock below value. Ya, I'll buy that.. Thank you.

[Yaris Hilton]

The timing of the recall was absolutely perfect.. Have you seen Toyota's stocks plummet?
One person's catastrophe is another person's opportunity..

I'm buying up Toyota stocks like crazy now..

My wife and I were just discussing this. There's money to be made there. Toyota will rebound.

[scribbler]

I'm sure most of you have seen the news about the "sticky" gas pedals recall on the way.
THANK GOD the Yaris is not on the list. We also did'nt get hit with the floormat thing either.:thumbup:
This does not bode well on Toyota. Two problems with potential runaway acceleration with in a couple of months, that sucks!:mad:

:iono:

MMMMMM i though Yaris was not on list however today found out it was.
According to news reports in UK.
We have a 2009 yaris 7 months old sad to say not happy with it Clutch failed
leaving my disabled daughter and I in middle of nowhere .They say it was
makers error I hate to think what else could go wrong with car.

[Yaris Hilton]

Honda's taking the high road about Toyota's problem, unlike GM:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=251264

[eric81]

Ok... so has ANYONE really checked into these things, or does everyone just watch the news and then let that be facts? We clearly need some light on this subject... so here we go.

Toyota, as a company, builds cars in Japan and America. The ones built in Japan use one computer for the DBW throttle system, and the ones in America use another. The ones in Amerca are made by CTS. There have been several complaints made by Toyota owners that the gas pedal feels "STICKY", so Toyota started looking into it. From what Toyota can tell, it seems to be an issue on vehicles made in America, that are driven in hot and high humidity areas. (probably a major reason people who live in colder or dryer climates havent had an issue, a least yet). Now, there have been no accidents or deaths linked to this issue, just several complaints, and since there is no telling where the owners may live in the future, instead of just fixing the ones in certian areas, or the ones that have already had complaints, Toyota is being a bigger company and initiated a "Service Campaign" to replace these parts BEFORE someone has a serious accident, or worse, dies. Toyota was hoping to save face by fixing a problem before it became a problem. But since this will be the second time in just a few months that we are "fixing" an issue with the accelerator, the American companies are jumping all over it. If you ever have a question on which cars are affected, write down your vin, or simply grab your registration, and either call into or walk into a Toyota dealership, and they will be happy to check. It is mostly the vehicles made here in America, but Camry's and Tundra's seem to be the most affected. And what's worse, is that Pontiac VIbe IS a Toyota Matrix, and they have yet to say anything about recalling their vehicles. Toyota has led the industry for awhile on certian things, the electrical throttle systems are one of them. Makes you wonder how many companies bought our throttle systems and aren't going to ever mention a thing, doesn't it? I suggest EVERYONE check their throttle systems and make sure that it isn't made by CTS, no matter what make or model they drive of ANY brand, and see if it is one that was made by CTS.

[Yaris Hilton]

The recall has been expanded to include models sold in China and Europe that may not have been built with CTS throttle switches. We'll just have to see how it develops.

I saw a report that Congress is going to make a spectacle of Toyota, calling executives to testify about when and how they learned of the problems and when they decided to issue a recall. Makes political hay for them, and sets up their trial lawyer buddies to snag profitable judgments and settlements.

[Hershey]

HONDA now has a recall for the FIT . http://autos.aol.com/article/honda-fit-recall .

[sqcomp]

GM is using the American politics way of dealing with issues. Instead of being honorable about it, they would rather drag Toyota through the mud and gain a few sales.

Just another reason why I will NEVER buy a GM. I definately won't buy a Dodge/Chrysler and a Ford...well, Ford better keep to the sidelines. Thier brand has killed quite a few people. See crappy tires and exploding gas tanks.

I think Honda is being very "Japanese" about the situation.

"As this issue relates to one of our competitors, we will not be making any further comment regarding Toyota's circumstances. Additionally, we will not react in a predatory way toward either Toyota or Toyota customers. I would ask that you and your sales and service teams refrain from comment..."

[SilverGlow]

1.98 :biggrin:
even better, just makes the point that 2 owners were too lazy or dense to move the mat away from the pedals.

Lots and lots and lots of stupid comments from people that know NOTHING about what is happening....moving the matt will not stop the engine from revving in many cases, and there were 200+ issues not just 2....come on guys do a little reading!!

The issue is the accelerator mechanism (sometimes even if the peddle is not stuck depressed) and/or the programming of the ECU.

And the issue is beyond the accellerator and ECU to because cars with a start/stop button show the button as ineffective during such anamolies.

[supmet]

and there were 200+ issues not just 2....come on guys do a little reading!

Please provide a link so I can read. Everything I've seen has said "less than a dozen"

[SilverGlow]

Please provide a link so I can read. Everything I've seen has said "less than a dozen"

The NTC has hundreds of reports, and of all those reports of such a problem, 40% come from Toyota alone.

It's ALL OVER the internet....but here is just one which speaks to the accellerator mechanism....which may be just part of the problem:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid17181435001?bctid=64104531001

[supmet]

The NTC has hundreds of reports, and of all those reports of such a problem, 40% come from Toyota alone.

It's ALL OVER the internet....but here is just one which speaks to the accellerator mechanism....which may be just part of the problem:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid17181435001?bctid=64104531001

chastise me for not reading and then link me a vid... love it

I don't care what AOL says... if its all over, find me a text link ;)

[Kongo-Otto]

Start/Stop Button works flawless. Depending on the car you have to press it for 3 seconds or you have to hit it several times while the engine is running. Of course it does not cut off the engine with a single short hit, because you might hit the button accidentially while driving.

[mdesjarlais]

The NTC has hundreds of reports, and of all those reports of such a problem, 40% come from Toyota alone.

It's ALL OVER the internet....but here is just one which speaks to the accellerator mechanism....which may be just part of the problem:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid17181435001?bctid=64104531001

I just watched this video this morning. Very informative. I am the manufacturing manager for a company who designs and produces medical devices. One thing I can definitively say about ANY manufacturing process is that no matter what you may specify on your print or your process descriptions, there will ALWAYS be some deviation from that. If toyota specifies that the finish on that guide pin installed on the pedal mechanism must be to a certain specification, if that production run is a large batch at a time (which i am sure it must be) how often do you think CTS is changing their tooling? Or if they buy the machined pin and collar from another machine shop, how well rounded is THAT company's QA and QC system?.. With so many different manufacturing processes going into this system, from wiring to soldering to plastics molding and machining, it may take them a little while to find the root cause. Everyone is saying "its this and its that", but I can almost guarantee is it something small that is either a deviation of toyota's specified process of manufacture, or it is something associated with lack of QC either by factory workers or subcontractors for toyota. Hopefully nobody gets hurt in the mean time.

On another note, it could be the floor mats...:iono: ha!

[b_hickman11]

Honda has a recall now so maybe this will take some of the negative attention off of Toyota.

[b_hickman11]

I appreciate all the feedback. :) The honda salesperson told me that "all toyotas are not selling well at this moment due to the recent recalls." I am sure this is true, but it makes no sense that my trade in would be worth way less then what it truly is worth just due to a recent recall. I paid off my Yaris within one year, so i have no car payments right now. My main reasons for not wanting to keep my yaris is the acceleration for me is beyond horrible. It feels like the car has about a thousand bricks in it when trying to accelerate. I have taken it in and been told there is nothing wrong with it. I am always resetting my feet to fit and push the acceleration pedal (which is sometimes hard to push)..which makes me worry about the recent recalls. Sometimes the brakes are mushy, and sometimes they are great. And I understand this is winter, but my car is getting around 27 mpg. It is not worth me being upset everytime i drive my car. I test drove the civic yesterday, the acceleration is beyond perfect, and the entire inside is great. Yeah i will lose a few MPG, but i drive with a light foot and coast whenever possible. Am I making a bad move? Is there something wrong with my Yaris?

Honda has their own recall to worry about now. I would go back to that dealer and demand a huge discount.

[Hershey]

just might work .

[slothman86]

Reports are one thing, investigations are another

[MadMax]

Yeah, I don't know what happened to the post about the Yaris owner who took his 09 to a Honda dealer only to be told that the trade-in value for all Toyota's dropped because of the recall (which is pure BS), but I wanted the poster to take this report about the Honda recall of 646,000 cars (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584277,00.html) and ask him how much his Honda Fits are worth now!

Toyota's voluntary recall is a precautionary measure, cars are not crashing all over the place because of it. As a matter of fact, Toyota provides insight into the indicators that should alert the driver of a possible problem:

Is my car safe to drive until a fix is issued?

The condition is rare and generally does not occur suddenly. It seems to occur when the pedal mechanism becomes worn and, in certain conditions, the accelerator pedal may become harder to depress, slower to return or, in the worst case, stuck in a partially depressed position.

Also note that the floor mat problem is a different issue...

Sticking Pedal Accelerator Recall: The condition can occur in rare instances, over time, under certain environmental conditions - there is a possibility that certain accelerator pedal mechanisms may, mechanically stick in a partially depressed position or return slowly to idle position.

Potential Floor Mat Interference with Accelerator Pedal Recall: This condition is the potential for an unsecured or incompatible driver’s floor mat to interfere with or entrap the accelerator pedal and cause it to get stuck in the wide open position. Toyota has determined that this condition can occur in vehicles in which the driver’s side floor mat is not compatible with the vehicle and/or is not properly secured.

For more real information, see Toyota's Consumer Safety Advisory web site (http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-consumer-safety-advisory-102572.aspx), specifically the Toyota Answers Questions About the Sticking Accelerator Pedal Recall (http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/xxxxx-153289.aspx) and the FAQs for Sticking Accelerator Pedal Recall and Suspension of Sales (http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/FAQ-for-Sticking-Accelerator-Pedal-152196.aspx) sections.

Cheers! M2

[eric81]

Yeah, I don't know what happened to the post about the Yaris owner who took his 09 to a Honda dealer only to be told that the trade-in value for all Toyota's dropped because of the recall (which is pure BS), but I wanted the poster to take this report about the Honda recall of 646,000 cars (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584277,00.html) and ask him how much his Honda Fits are worth now!

Toyota's voluntary recall is a precautionary measure, cars are not crashing all over the place because of it. As a matter of fact, Toyota provides insight into the indicators that should alert the driver of a possible problem:



Also note that the floor mat problem is a different issue...



For more real information, see Toyota's Consumer Safety Advisory web site (http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-consumer-safety-advisory-102572.aspx), specifically the Toyota Answers Questions About the Sticking Accelerator Pedal Recall (http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/xxxxx-153289.aspx) and the FAQs for Sticking Accelerator Pedal Recall and Suspension of Sales (http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/FAQ-for-Sticking-Accelerator-Pedal-152196.aspx) sections.

Cheers! M2

Amen brother. All said right there, clear as day, and no BS about it. Though, I would like to add again, that Toyota cars are not the only company CTS has made these axact parts for. The Pontiac Vibe is the perfect example, because it is the same car, part for part, as the Matrix, and has the same thropttle control unit in it. We pulled them off the lot as well because we KNOW they need to be replaced, even if Pontiac is ok with waiting for people to get into accidents and possibly kill people before they spend a single penny fixing a potential problem. Screw the American companies! Ford had bad tires that killed people, fuel pumps that started on fire, and several US companies had airbags that would not deploy. Not to mention how many American companies have brake and transmission problems. Toyota has a faulty part. No question about it. But no one has been seriously hurt, or killed, and they are recalling ALL vehicles that have that part, BEFORE something serious happens.

Which parent is better, the one who puts the outlet covers on the outlets before the kids hurt themselves, or after? Make your own choice... and keep on searching for the WHOLE story.

[127.0.0.1]

none of this bothers me. If I had the loot, I'd go and buy 10 more toyotas right now no hesitation.

[BuildCode]

If people knew how to use their brake pedal, neutral, or even that key thing that turns the engine off, neither of these issues would matter that much.

[chew246214]

OK I will say this again.... All manufacturers have recalls!!!!!!!!!! It's the nature of the game. Toyota's are so big because they sell more cars thats the fact. Lets go back a few years... toyota again frame rotting on tacomas... most all bought back from 1995-2000 and starting another round on the 2000-2004 soon. toyota definatly took care of their customers in that one... about the same time.... Jeep grand cherokee's heater seat elements were catching on fire... chrysler replaced them, also ball joints on durangos/dakotas... replaced them also... ford/firestone.. we all remember the problem there... two fold... tire defects in one plant, and ford putting the wrong reccomendations on the door stickers for inflation and load rating.... ok.... Honda... complete dashboards on their minivans due to fire risk, GM can't think off hand but I'm sure there are good ones out there.... Everybody has recalls, these were just examlpes off the top of my head. and once the public has gotten over it life will be normal again and toyota will have a proper fix and be selling cars again.... lets be honost it is good to know if your car is recalled, but there tends to be a mob effect and everybody thinks there is a bigger problem then there is.... Don't get me wrong.... My yaris is sitting at the dealer as we speak, it does have a surging issue at around 20 mph and gets stuck at wide open throttle six times already.. not part of the recall I know about and they can't find out whats wrong but atleast the service manager knows there is a problem (we went for a long test ride and the throttle stuck) with under 2300 miles on the car. Am I mad? no.... I am confident that it will eventually be fixed... Like I said in the begining it is the nature of the business. You can't find every glitch and with hundreds of thousands of cars/trucks on the road more problems are bound to arise. As a precaution toyota is pulling all the cars which I think is safer then some other manufacturers that wouldn't think about doing this... just my 2 cents.......

[Altitude]

I've had throttle cables break before...

[Yaris Hilton]

...and jam.

[slothman86]

...and jam.

Good point!

[Yaris Hilton]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-pedal30-2010jan30,0,790073,full.story

[toad]

saw something interesting today! i take a shortcut on my way to/from work that cuts thru a little-used section of our airport(long story short- our terminal was moved from one end to the other and now the old part is a large 'wasteland'). anyways, as i was driving thru the area where all the rental cars used to be kept i noticed a virtual 'sea' of new camrys parked. they were all brand-new and you could tell someone had made it a point to keep them in a place out of site. wondering if the dealers are 'hiding' the recalled models or if they are just staging them there till they can be worked on? nothing has been parked in these lots for at least a year(as long as i've been taking this route)!

[Altitude]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-pedal30-2010jan30,0,790073,full.story

I'm buying stock in pitchforks and torches.

[chew246214]

old cars throttles stuck all the time, the fix was if you were driving put it to the floor a few times to unstick it..... when you got home lube it up... that was it...... Nothing to lube on newer ones.... if the cable breaks usually it will go back to the fully closed neutral position and no extra throttle would be given....Oh I also forgot 2004-2005 durango's had a recall on sticking trottes a few people drove through walls and such.. people didn't bug out about that one.....

[Altitude]

old cars throttles stuck all the time, the fix was if you were driving put it to the floor a few times to unstick it..... when you got home lube it up... that was it...... Nothing to lube on newer ones.... if the cable breaks usually it will go back to the fully closed neutral position and no extra throttle would be given....Oh I also forgot 2004-2005 durango's had a recall on sticking trottes a few people drove through walls and such.. people didn't bug out about that one.....

This is being blown way out of proportion. Expect to see lots of news on other issues with 'foreign' cars as the US auto industry desperately tries to play catch up.

[supmet]

Expect to see lots of news on other issues with 'foreign' cars as the US auto industry desperately tries to play catch up.

+ a trillion

that is what ALL of this is about, nothing else.

[paguy717]

This seems of great worry to me. Toyota is recalling Yaris among others in Europe for the very serious Gas Pedal Issues, but not the the USA!! What is going on here? I have a 2009 Yaris 3 Door Auto Hatchback and will be calling my local dealership tomorrow morning about this. Here is the part of the article below. :confused::mad::eek:


On Friday, Toyota gave details of its European recall. It said its Aygo, iQ, Yaris, Auris, Corolla, Verso, Avensis and RAV4 models are all affected by the gas-pedal problem and the recall will affect some models made as far back as February 2005.

Including Friday's action in Europe, the Japanese company has now recalled 9.5 million vehicles since late last year over two issues—5.4 million for floor mat entrapment issues and 4.1 million for a sticky gas pedal problem. That is 22% more than the 7.8 million vehicles Toyota sold world-wide last year.

[frownonfun]

well first off don't call them and ask about brake issues or brake pedal issues as it's a gas pedal recall.

and secondly, do you honestly think they would recall millions of vehicles in a handful of countries and then just decide to lie about the u.s. yaris? it's probably built in a different factory than the europe yarii and so it probably doesn't have the gas pedal issue. which is why they aren't recalling it.

[paguy717]

LOL good to know you feel super confident there Frown. Dont jinx yourself

[YAR1S]

why is everyone freaking out?
If it happend to you, just pop it in neutral and cut it off....
then go see the dealer, haha :D

[frownonfun]

yeah i'm really not too worried about it. i have a tundra which is included in the recall and you're certainly not gonna see me wasting my time taking it up to the dealership to get the pedals cut down or replaced or whatever it is they have decided to do with them now. the mats are clipped to the floor!! where's it gonna go?

it's all much ado about nothing if you ask me. feel sorry for those people who died but i really think they must have been morons. people die doing all sorts of things that millions of others do on a daily basis with no problems whatsoever. i guess it's probably in toyota's overall best interests in terms of PR but i can't imagine this is really saving that many lives that probably weren't already doomed anyway if they don't know how to put a car into neutral and turn a key.

and i'm sorry paguy717 if i've come across as a jerk. i'm really not. this recall thing just really strikes a nerve. i'm not even sure why.

[IsLNdbOi]

Not everyone knows about putting a car in neutral if it's accelerating uncontrollably. It's not something they taught at driving school. Add that to the fact that people tend to freak out in those kinds of situations and reaction times are different for everyone.

Don't go around calling people morons.

[DerFlosser]

Not everyone knows about putting a car in neutral if it's accelerating uncontrollably. It's not something they taught at driving school. Add that to the fact that people tend to freak out in those kinds of situations and reaction times are different for everyone.

Don't go around calling people morons.

BUT, it's your responsibility to prepare yourself and throttle sticking is not something new for mechanical configurations. AAMOF, it can happen fairly easily depending on conditions.

I do think that it should be part of a standard driving test/pass though. That combined with being able to change your own flat tire like they do in parts of Europe. People have become so helpless.

[Kongo-Otto]

BUT, it's your responsibility to prepare yourself and throttle sticking is not something new for mechanical configurations. AAMOF, it can happen fairly easily depending on conditions.

I do think that it should be part of a standard driving test/pass though. That combined with being able to change your own flat tire like they do in parts of Europe. People have become so helpless.

So true. People are only able to call help via cell phone today. Once my girlfriend had a flat tire on the autobahn. She managed to get to the exit and guess what ... she parked her car in the middle of an intersection and called me on the phone. She told me a co-worker will pick her up and i should take care of the car. When i arrived at the scene i was speechless. The car was literally parked in the middle of an intersection. I was very glad the police didnt see that. Had to pull it off the street to change the tire. :clap:

Anyways it seems quite easy to get a license in the US. My cousins went to a highschool in Alabama (they play american football)) and they made it in a couple of days. It needs much more money and effort here to get a license. Cost me about 2200$ back in 1995 to get a license for cars and a motorcycle over here. Its even more expensive nowadays.

[frownonfun]

Not everyone knows about putting a car in neutral if it's accelerating uncontrollably. It's not something they taught at driving school. Add that to the fact that people tend to freak out in those kinds of situations and reaction times are different for everyone.

Don't go around calling people morons.


the person i'm referring to was a california state highway patrol for goodness sake. how do you become a highway patrol and not know what neutral does? just seems like if anyone would have been prepared for an emergency situation in a vehicle it'd be a highway patrolman.

and it's frickin neutral!! that's the first thing that came to mind to do when i read the story for the first time and my drivers education consisted solely of driving around orange cones in a parking lot.

i think if you have the inability to figure some things out on your own then sorry but that makes you kind of a moron. when i signed the lease for my apartment they didn't instruct me on exactly what to do if there is a fire since i live upstairs. because that is something that's really my responsibility to figure out.

on a side note the only reason the mat got stuck in this case was because it wasn't even the correct mat for that particular vehicle. so if you have the correct mats in your car then you really don't have much to worry about.

[MadMax]

Funny thing is, the first thing I think of when a car accelerates uncontrollably are the brakes! Even on our small cars, if you stand on the brakes it will slow the car down to a stop.

Again, there aren't news reports of Toyotas crashing all over the place. Obviously this is a concern but not a huge safety issue as otherwise those with the vehicles affected would not be allowed to drive them. Toyota has already received clearance from the Federal Government for the fix, and on 8 Feb will restart production and sales of the eight models affected by last week's recall.

By the way, the repair that US regulators cleared is a "selective spacer," or shim, that would be inserted into the gas-pedal assembly to increase tension within the pedal to prevent the accelerator from remaining in a depressed position.

But don't fall victim to the sensationalized media coverage of this. As a matter of fact, I can't recall reading about one accident or injury caused by either of the recalls...

[waybig]

hmm...what kind of dealership is this?

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/SamTrooper/gaspedals.jpg?t=1264795314

[MadMax]

hmm...what kind of dealership is this?

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/SamTrooper/gaspedals.jpg?t=1264795314

Probably one requiring a government bailout!

[waybig]

or Honda. whichever.

[Sidicas]

or Honda. whichever.


Honda just announced a recall too..

"Honda said it would recall 646,000 of its Fit/Jazz and City models, including 140,000 in the United States, because of a faulty window switch, after a child died when fire broke out in a car last year."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100129/bs_nm/us_toyota

[CTScott]

So, you want to talk about slimy tactics - On Saturday I receive an official looking envelope that says "Important Toyota Recall Information" on the outside of the envelope. I open it and it's a letter from one of the local Nissan dealers offering a $1500 credit for my "recalled" car towards the purchase of a new Nissan...

[Hershey]

I feel for those who have to slam on the brakes and then put it in neutral to glide to side of road . Not all will have these conditions . Better hope no one is close behind them and that an opening will be available to pull to side of road . Could be quite difficult in a 2 > 4 lane interstate at high speeds . Wonder if TOYOTA knows that not everyone will have ideal conditions to stop their vehicle to get to the side of road . :frown:

[Yaris Hilton]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/business/global/02toyota.html

[Kongo-Otto]

Solution


http://i48.tinypic.com/eimpgy.jpg

[DOMAV]

hi can but what is the recall for exactly?? for the gas pedal?

what happen it sticks? thanks i tried to search but couldn't find my answer

[eric81]

The gas pedals, after extreme wear, usually in high heat or high humidity areas, sometimes start to feel sticky (reacting slow and a little harder to push down). Here's how to tell if your car MIGHT have an issue...
1. Get into drivers seat.
2. Without putting the key in the ignition, simply put the gas pesdal all the way down.
3. Release gas pedal as fast as you can, and see if it comes back slower than you are comfortable with. It should take less than 1 second to go back to original position.
If it is sticky or slow, you may have a vehicle that needs this fix.

Pass this on to ALL car owners, as the company that makes those parts for the Toyota's also makes parts for almost all other manufacturers. Toyota is fixing a problem before it becomes a problem. Technically, the part is mostly wearing in cars AFTER they run out of their initial warranty, so they don't HAVE to fix anything. They are just doing the right and moral thing by fixing them. Not to mention they have less problems with their cars than any other manufacturer out there. "There is no best, only better."

[MadMax]

hi can but what is the recall for exactly?? for the gas pedal?

Yes, the gas pedal. Even though our Yarii don't fall under the recall, I still think it is a great excuse if you get caught speeding!

"Sorry officer, but you know how the gas pedal sticks on these Toyotas!"

what happen it sticks? thanks i tried to search but couldn't find my answer

Your car is equipped with a unique stopping system called THE BRAKES! When your desire to keep moving ends, employ them to stop/counter that action. Works most every time!

Cheers! M2

[slothman86]

Yes, the gas pedal. Even though our Yarii don't fall under the recall, I still think it is a great excuse if you get caught speeding!

"Sorry officer, but you know how the gas pedal sticks on these Toyotas!"



Your car is equipped with a unique stopping system called THE BRAKES! When your desire to keep moving ends, employ them to stop/counter that action. Works most every time!

Cheers! M2

LOL! I'll use this excuse if I have too!

[Kongo-Otto]

Even though our Yarii don't fall under the recall, I still think it is a great excuse if you get caught speeding!


He is from Malta so his Yaris should came from TMMF and this means RECALL.

[fmicle]

He is from Malta so his Yaris should came from TMMF and this means RECALL.

How can you speed on Malta? It's a small island... there isn't enough runway to get to such high speeds :wink:

http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/golf-22-06-07.jpg

No offense, just trying to be funny here :wink:

[DOMAV]

How can you speed on Malta? It's a small island... there isn't enough runway to get to such high speeds :wink:

http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/golf-22-06-07.jpg

No offense, just trying to be funny here :wink:

yes is very small but very nice :smile:

thanks all for the replies

What does it mean it come form TMMF?

[Goose]

Toyota Motor Manufacturing France? Just guessing... :smile:

[DOMAV]

Toyota Motor Manufacturing France? Just guessing... :smile:


could be!!:smile:

[Cutie Pie #2]

Don't know if this has been on here,anyway just want to share,found very interesting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnFp2yLBnNQ

[127.0.0.1]

So, you want to talk about slimy tactics - On Saturday I receive an official looking envelope that says "Important Toyota Recall Information" on the outside of the envelope. I open it and it's a letter from one of the local Nissan dealers offering a $1500 credit for my "recalled" car towards the purchase of a new Nissan...

that deserves an egging at Halloween

just sayin

[CTScott]

that deserves an egging at Halloween

just sayin

Or, maybe I should drive my Xterra though the showroom and tell them my gas pedal stuck...

[Yaris Hilton]

What does it mean it come form TMMF?

The Malta Motorcar Factory?

[why?]

Or, maybe I should drive my Xterra though the showroom and tell them my gas pedal stuck...

That would rock! I'm kinda shocked we haven't heard of at least 1 person doing something like this to get revenge on someone, its the perfect excuse.

[frownonfun]

lol a coworker asked me if that's gonna be kyle busch's excuse when he wrecks this year. i was amused by the comment.

[goku87]

I'm still not understanding how it's the pedal. My money is that it's the ECU.

[frownonfun]

so now it's got nothing to do with floor mats?

[frownonfun]

but don't all vehicles' pedals use springs? and so wouldn't every vehicle be prone to having a spring lose tension over time? isn't that the nature of things... they wear out?

[yaris2010RS]

okay, when reading all this i thought the ppl who post now after the recall came out saying their yaris is acting messy (but never said anything before) i figured u guys are crazy!! bot has anyone found on the yaris the clutch sticks??it happened twice on my way home from work tonight. not exactly what the issue is, i believe it may be the carpet but tomorrow morning further investigation will be conducted. i do have an extra all season mat that came with the car ontop of the floor mats and wasn't installed correctly. i removed the floor mat and put the all season mat in and tied it down to factory hooks. if its the floor mat toyota should not give them away in the car!! if i install it myself i assume all risks. dont get me wrong i noticed a few times before it would kinda get stuck a bit but pop right back up. today gettign on the highway shifting from 2nd to 3rd was scarry.....

[127.0.0.1]

its not the ECU, they actually explained it. its the spring that helps return the pedal, apparently it gets used up and looses its tension so they are going to insert a shim to compensate and replace the spring


no that is not how it works. it has nothing to do with the spring


the hall effect sensor rubs the magnet (and it really shouldn't... or just barely touch) and when there is the slightest
bit of wear in the pivot the friction increases as the parts slide past each other.
the dealer-added shim maintains the fulcrum point (by wedging against the pedal arm) so the friction in the
sensor is reduced or eliminated throughout the life of the pedal

[goku87]

no that is not how it works. it has nothing to do with the spring

That and the pedal has two springs anyway. :thumbsup:

[yaris2010RS]

ever thought the news give any simple excuse as to not complicate things? just a thought and my 2 cents....

[markitect]

At least these posts show that it's not all just driver stupidity, we ARE dealing with a real problem with a physical part, not just a floor mat -- so can we just drop that?

That would rock! I'm kinda shocked we haven't heard of at least 1 person doing something like this to get revenge on someone, its the perfect excuse.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/01/unintended-acceleration-or-angry-customer-toyota-driver-reporte/

Now you have heard!

[MadMax]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/01/unintended-acceleration-or-angry-customer-toyota-driver-reporte/

Now you have heard!

Police reports stated that incident was intentional...

[eric81]

yeah... couldn't figure that one out even if it was the answer to Clue. Man, some people are just overly stupid... when you buy a vehicle, there is a thing called a Lemon Law, which tells the customer how long of a period they have to return a vehicle. Some states, such as Colorado, have a Now You Are An Owner policy. Once you drive it off the lot, it is yours forever. And it's not like Toota isn't tring to help customers out through this thing, they are doing everything they can as fast as the can. Hence they offered this customer a loaner car until his truck was fixed. The dealership should simply have him pay for damages, and nothing else. Obviously his truck, but he owned it, so I hope he has GAP insurance, or he's screwed.

[MadMax]

Unfortunately, there are way too many idiots in the world! I hope his insurance denies his claim because it was deliberately crashed. It would serve this moron right to have to pay for all the damages out of pocket!

This small problem does by no means make Toyotas "lemons." If that logic were true, then basically every car ever built qualifies as most have had a recall for some reason or another.

I found this article interesting, it only shows that no matter what the issue, it is the perception that matters...

Toyota's other pedal problem: Lawsuits (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE61060G20100202)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp is facing a growing number lawsuits from consumers who complain their vehicles suddenly accelerate or may do so, and want the world's largest automaker to pay for it.

U.S.

Last week, Toyota stopped selling eight models in the United States and Canada, including its popular Camry and Corolla, because of possible unintended acceleration.

Some 8 million vehicles are up for repair worldwide over problems including alleged faulty accelerator pedals made by the supplier CTS Corp, and the possibility that floor mats could jam the accelerator pedal.

Other recalled Toyota vehicles are the Avalon, Highlander, Matrix, RAV4, Sequoia and Tundra.

The problems have tarnished Toyota's reputation for making some of the most reliable vehicles on the road. It is the most prominent auto safety issue since reports surfaced in 2000 that many Firestone tires mounted on Ford Explorers failed.

"Liability for Toyota could run in the billions of dollars, because of the number of vehicles involved and the fact there are serious injury and death claims," said Gary Robb, a partner at Robb & Robb LLC in Kansas City, Missouri. He said his firm has fielded inquiries from consumers and may sue Toyota.

The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says it has no proof that anyone was injured by a stuck pedal. It said it has confirmed to its satisfaction that five people have died as a result of floor mat entrapment.

Since November, at least 10 lawsuits seeking class-action status have been filed against Toyota in U.S. courts and in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice in Canada.

It is possible that some U.S. litigation could be combined because the claims are similar and it would be too unwieldy to try cases one owner at a time.

Toyota on Monday had no immediate comment on the lawsuits.

NEW LAWSUITS

Legal experts said drivers might have more difficulty recovering if they cannot show their cars actually experienced sudden acceleration. Fear that it could happen may not be enough.

"In a significant majority of states, there is no remedy for mental upset and fright, absent a consequential injury to people or property caused by the defect," said James Henderson, a Cornell Law School professor and product liability expert.

David Owen, a law professor at the University of South Carolina and director of its Office of Tort Law Studies, said Toyota might be more at risk in U.S. states that impose on manufacturers of a "duty to warn" consumers about a defect.

"The grounds to sue are that there was a design defect, regardless of what Toyota may do to mop up the consequences, and the possibility that a post-sale warning was delayed too long," he said.

"If it turned out that Toyota delayed the recall beyond the point when a reasonable manufacturer would have done so, then punitive damages in substantial amounts might be available to whoever was physically injured," Owen added.

Some plaintiffs are expected to seek recovery for an expected loss of resale value tied to the stigma from the recalls, though Owen said courts are generally "unresponsive" to such claims, including in Firestone tire lawsuits.

Others may seek to recover for expenses tied to the recall, including lost work hours and the cost of finding alternative transportation while their vehicles are being fixed.

POSSIBLE STIGMA

Four of the most recent lawsuits were filed on Friday.

In a federal lawsuit filed in Corpus Christi, Texas, the plaintiffs Albert and Sylvia Pena alleged that their 2008 Toyota Avalon unexpectedly accelerated at least twice, and on January 14 caused a collision at a stop sign.

"Toyota has long known about the defect with their throttle control, and has done too little, too late to correct it," said Robert Hilliard, a lawyer representing the Penas.

Three other federal lawsuits were filed in New Orleans on behalf of Avalon and Camry owners. These plaintiffs' lawyers were unavailable to comment.

Robb said Toyota might learn from Johnson & Johnson's 1982 withdrawal of Tylenol from stores, after seven people died from ingesting medicine spiked with cyanide.

The crime was never solved, but the company's response, including the introduction of tamper-resistant packaging, is considered to be a textbook example of how to handle recalls.

"They saved not only their public image, but that brand," Robb said. "There are real doubts as to whether Toyota's brand, from a PR standpoint, can survive this (recall) intact. This has dragged on too long and there have been too many excuses."

Note the paragraph I highlighted...the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says it has no proof that anyone was injured by a stuck pedal!

Yes, a sticking gas pedal can be a problem and Toyota has a fix for it before it happens; but to listen to the press you would think cars are crashing left and right and people are burning to death in the aftermath!

But I am a daredevil...I used to drive a Pinto!

Cheers! M2

[Yaris Hilton]

According to this article: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/02/news/companies/toyota_recall/index.htm?hpt=T2 The NHTSA is looking into a hypothesis that electromagnetic interference may somehow be causing the ECU to malfunction causing uncontrolled acceleration.

[ddongbap]

Nissan says the'll offer you 1000 MORE, if you trade in your Toyota for a Nissan. Epic.

[auxmike]

Nissan says the'll offer you 1000 MORE, if you trade in your Toyota for a Nissan. Epic.

Screw that!:mad:
The Versa has a below average reliability rating according to Consumer Reports. They really HATE the Yaris and won't recommend it. Yaris and Versa both featured in this months issue of CR.

[wooverstone8]

Nissan says the'll offer you 1000 MORE, if you trade in your Toyota for a Nissan. Epic.

Dog eat dog.

[bigbang]

Its all a goverment conspiracy to boost the sale of GM car
the USA is not a nation but a corporation GM is part of the corporation

[wooverstone8]

I test drove the Versa before I had purchase my Yaris. The Versa felt tinny compared to the Yaris.

[goku87]

According to this article: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/02/news/companies/toyota_recall/index.htm?hpt=T2 The NHTSA is looking into a hypothesis that electromagnetic interference may somehow be causing the ECU to malfunction causing uncontrolled acceleration.

I knew it was the ECU!

And nobody believed me. :tongue:

[fmicle]

Its all a goverment conspiracy to boost the sale of GM car
the USA is not a nation but a corporation GM is part of the corporation

:bs: Oh come on, everything is a conspiracy...

[Yaris Hilton]

It's a conspiracy headed by Jesse Ventura to promote his "Conspiracy Theory" show.

[MadMax]

It's a conspiracy headed by Jesse Ventura to promote his "Conspiracy Theory" show.

I am beginning to believe it is a conspiracy, and I don't subscribe to most conspiracy theories; but this press released makes me wonder...

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood just went nuclear in his tirade against Toyota: He is now advising owners of the eight recalled models to park them and not drive them until they can be brought into dealers to have their accelerator pedals repaired. (full story (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/02/toyota-recall-transportation-secretary-ray-lahood-advises-owners-not-to-drive-their-cars/1))

What BS! As I stated earlier, the NHTSA has stated they know of no accidents or injuries that have occured as the result of the sticking gas pedals (that straight from their web site (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.f2217bee37fb302f6d7c121046108a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=1e51531b2220b0f8ea14201046108a 0c_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_1e51531b2220b0f8ea14201046108a0c _viewID=detail_view&itemID=855362c400776210VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD&pressReleaseYearSelect=2010)), and now LaHood is telling everyone not to drive their cars?!?

Wow, I guess bailing out the US auto industry wasn't enough, now the Obama Administration has to start a smear campaign against the competition...

[1.5]

this is sad I heard toyota will be stopping all production for a while.

[Hershey]

supposedly computer keeps throttle open . The woman who had her '05 PRIUS crash said that she checked the floor mat and that pedal was not stuck ( used foot to unstick it ) . Thus a fault in the 'puter . This could get very interesting if pedal fix doesn't work .

[scape]

it is my OPINION that the recall should not even exist at all... i am in the toyota t ten service training program and we are keeping ourselves up to date on this... the problem is that with the affected models, there is no hook for positive retention of the floormats, and most of the american idiots prefer to stack another mat on top, to "protect" the factory floormat from getting dirty... when you stack the extra floormats, they can slide up under the pedals and get stuck...

to be fair, my floor mat hook popped completely out of the base carpet and was a bit of a bitch to pop back in. so a sliding floor mat is totally possible, especially if operator does not notice and drives around like this.

[MadMax]

Toyota is not competition , Toyota is the Holy Grail for GM, they'll never even come close to them.

I believe Toyota did the right thing with the preventive recall and temporary halt to production even though it is only the US that has experienced this kind of "failure". Sure they maybe realized the mechanism could be improved and perfected so instead of waiting for actual accidents to happen they prevented them. And its not like Toyotas are going HAL on their owners all over the place.

I agree with everything except that Toyota is not competition for GM. Anyone who takes customers away (which Toyota does easily) is competition.

But the way the media (and Administration) are playing this is very suspicous. The reason I mentioned the fact that no accidents or injuries have occurred was to point out how the sensationalized press is reporting this. Based on what you see on the news, cars should be crashing all over th place and bodies spewed across America's roadways. We all know that isn't true, but bullshit like LaHood is saying reeks of other motivations...

[RedRide]

Now the Prius has brake problems and is being recalled.......

Toyota is really in the midst of a design quality crisis.

Now is the time for owners of a Yaris with aceleration delay issues to take the car back to the dealer and demad a souution as it now appers that toyota has mutiple ECU/electrical problems with multiple cars.

BTW, there is a report that eltromagnetic radiation (such as cell phone signals, etc) may possibly be causing some Tyota ECUs to malfunction.

[Yaris Hilton]

Woz says it's a computer problem:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584716,00.html

[ddongbap]

Maybe his feet hit all 10 pedals at once?

[MadMax]

And it gets worse...

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told Toyota owners Wednesday they should stop driving their vehicles, then quickly took back his words, adding to confusion over the safety of millions of recalled cars. Toyota, for its part, tried to reassure drivers that sticky gas pedals have been rare — and the cars can be stopped in any event by firmly stepping on the brakes.

The final word from LaHood: "What I meant to say or what I thought I said was, if you own one of these cars or if you're in doubt, take it to the dealer and they're going to fix it."

The back-and-forth played out as word surfaced that Toyota Motor Corp. also has been the subject of more than 100 complaints in the U.S. and Japan about brake problems with the popular Prius gas-electric hybrid, which is not part of the recall. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has received about 100 complaints, two of them involving crashes that resulted in injuries. In addition, Japan's transport ministry said it had received 14 complaints.

Rep. Bart Stupak, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce investigative subcommittee, said he planned to ask Toyota about the complaints related to the Prius.

Further clouding the picture for consumers: the notion that problems could extend beyond Toyota vehicles. Federal officials have widened their investigation of malfunctioning gas pedals to see if the same problem exists in cars made by other auto companies.

The traffic safety agency said it had sent a letter to CTS, the Indiana company that made the pedals for Toyota, to find out more about the pedals it has manufactured for other auto companies, including Honda, Nissan and a small number of Fords in China. CTS has been adamant that the issues are limited to Toyota alone.

The Toyota recall in the U.S. covers 2.3 million vehicles and involves 2009-10 RAV4 crossovers, 2009-10 Corollas, 2009-10 Matrix hatchbacks, 2005-10 Avalons, 2007-10 Camrys, 2010 Highlander crossovers, 2007-10 Tundra pickups and 2008-10 Sequoia SUVs. The recalls also extend to Europe and China, covering nearly 4.5 million vehicles overall.

Toyota said the sticking gas pedal situation is unusual and "generally does not occur suddenly. In the rare instances where it does occur, the vehicle can be controlled with firm and steady application of the brakes."

LaHood said the government is considering civil penalties against the carmaker but that it appeared "Toyota is making an all-out effort to do all that they can to fix these cars."

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said plenty of questions remain.

"Obviously, there are concerns regarding the consistency of information that is entering the public domain," he said.

Issa is right, LaHood's original comments were inflammatory and he should be held accountable. He was nominated by Obama and most likely got that because he is from Obama's home state of Illinois. His résumé on transport matters is seen as thin by many critics...

[galactus]

This looks like media hype to me. Of course, society at large can be rather weak-minded and believe everything they hear on the 'news'. Pretty soon, angry mobs are going to attack Toyota owners and dealers. Now, since they smell blood in the water, they are going to start on something else....Prius brakes. It is all overblown BS propagated and exacerbated by a pukey, liberal media who believes that all corporations are inherently evil anyway. This does not affect my feeling on Toyotas one little bit. I would buy another and probably will one day.

[MadMax]

This does not affect my feeling on Toyotas one little bit. I would buy another and probably will one day.

Agreed, we are looking at a Venza to possibly replace our Honda Odyssey when it craps out one day. You can really mod them to look quite nice...

http://www.tuningnews.net/wallpaper/1024x768/toyota-venza-sportlux-12.jpg

[wooverstone8]

This does not affect my feeling on Toyotas one little bit. I would buy another and probably will one day.


As long as Toyota provides good customer service and continue to build fun to drive and fuel efficient cars (like the Yaris) I'll stay with them. I'm planning to stay w/ my Yaris long term. It's an excellent little car!

[advocate]

The fact that this thread is 14 pages long and the Yaris isn't in the recall only proves the fact that this American media classic fear campaign has really gotten to people.

If you operate a machine and you are unaware of how to use it properly and completely you take that responsibility and any consequences into your own hands.

This wouldn't be a problem if it took more than 5 minutes to get a drivers' license in America. Or more than $5.

[fmicle]

^ LOL :smile: +1

[ddongbap]

The fact that this thread is 14 pages long and the Yaris isn't in the recall only proves the fact that this American media classic fear campaign has really gotten to people.

If you operate a machine and you are unaware of how to use it properly and completely you take that responsibility and any consequences into your own hands.

This wouldn't be a problem if it took more than 5 minutes to get a drivers' license in America. Or more than $5.

Well, there are wait times at the DMV, and I thought there were card fees?

And I think there should be testing and licencing to have and operate horns.

[devinlamothe]

Aren't the Prius brake parts the same as the ones used in the yaris? I know a lot of our parts are the same.

[127.0.0.1]

Prius has a software glitch


just needs new software loaded.


Toyota officials described the problem as a "disconnect" in the vehicle's complex anti-lock brake system (ABS) that causes less than a one-second lag. With the delay, a vehicle going 60 mph will have traveled nearly another 90 feet before the brakes begin to take hold.

1 second is an ETERNITY in a panic. I will still buy a dozen Toyotas over any other maker, but DANG!!!!

[cdavidhess]

On the positive side, when Toyota starts selling the recalled vehicles again, they will inevitably be offering some great rebates and other incentives to get customers back.

[bigbang]

conspiracy!!
Take Ford for instance, and not that long ago. In October of last year, Ford recalled 4.5 million cars to replace a faulty cruise control deactivator, which was shown to be a fire hazard. That brought the total number of cars recalled for this specific problem up to 16 million - the largest single recall ever in automotive industry history.
were is the media on this story

[127.0.0.1]

conspiracy!!
Take Ford for instance, and not that long ago. In October of last year, Ford recalled 4.5 million cars to replace a faulty cruise control deactivator, which was shown to be a fire hazard. That brought the total number of cars recalled for this specific problem up to 16 million - the largest single recall ever in automotive industry history.
were is the media on this story

yeah. Fords would catch fire while sitting in your garage at night and burn your whole house down. the switch always had current and when it failed, it Trogdor'ed yer arse.

[eht13]

yeah. Fords would catch fire while sitting in your garage at night and burn your whole house down. the switch always had current and when it failed, it Trogdor'ed yer arse.
Yes, I remember this! And while it was in the news, I don't remember it being made up to the same level that this Toyota thing is.

[Hershey]

S.U.V.s that rollover easy , tires that blow , and a roof that collapses during a rollover . No thank you . Still stick with TOYOTA .

[Mistry]

Now is a great time to buy toyota stock...

[Yar15]

If Yaris is not on the list in U.S.A, in Europe it is.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/autot/2010012911024699_au.shtml (Finnish)

[127.0.0.1]

If Yaris is not on the list in U.S.A, in Europe it is.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/autot/2010012911024699_au.shtml (Finnish)

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltalehti.fi%2Fautot%2F20100129 11024699_au.shtml&sl=fi&tl=en

[PaddyMac]

NBC news Washington tonight covered the fact that pedals are getting stuck on the pile of floor mats that a lot of people have under the drivers pedals

[eric81]

Great news... the fix is out and we have fixed all the vehicles on our lot. We can now sell all vehicles. The Prius glitch is kinda funny, because it isn't as much of a glitch as it is just the electric motor taking a second to pull electricity back to the battery. The brakes work fine, and even last a lot longer than they should. Several cab coimpanies in New York are actually complaining that there is something wrong with their cabs, because at 90K miles in a cab in New York, the brakes still don't need to be replaced. Of course, if you use synthetic in a Prius, the oil doesn't need to be changed until 10K miles. These people that are having issues really need to research their vehicles before they go to the news. It would be like saying "Theres something wrong with my Prius, because the engine just shuts off while I drive down the road, but it keeps on moving foreward. And then, the engine just kicks back on all by itself... IT'S TRYING TO KILL ME!!!" Or the guy we had come in and said the Prius won't come to a complete stop... even though it was at a complete stop. The tires on the computer were still moving, so he kept pushing on the brakes harder and harder. It was funny enough that all of us here explained it several times, and he still wouldn't listen, so we just laughed at how stupid he was.

[yaris2010RS]

i hate to add fuel here but if anyone is interested, check out this video. this is of my own yaris which appears to have an issue.....

http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffisthebest21

[yannis-b]

yeah. Fords would catch fire while sitting in your garage at night and burn your whole house down. the switch always had current and when it failed, it Trogdor'ed yer arse.

My last car was a ford puma (small coupe) which blew up on the motorway... Then I decided to go for something more reliable, either a honda or a toyota but I didn't really like the jazz (fit) and the civic was too expensive with only a 1.4 engine so the yaris was the obvious choice. I've done 1000 miles so far and I love it, especially after installing the rear sway bar :p Sure the recall is a pain but they are doing their best to fix it.

[MadMax]

The biggest rub is that there was nowhere near as much coverage in 2008 when Ford had to recall 12 million vehicles due to a cruise-control switch catching fire. As a matter of fact, the top six recalls of all time were American-built cars. The 2.3 million cars affected by the Toyota recall doesn't even make the top ten list of recalls (http://www.mylemon.com/blog/2008/10/10-largest-automotive-recalls-of-all.html)! #10 is the 1987 Ford recall of 3.6 million vehicles, which affected 1.3 million more vehicles than this Toyota recall!

[eric81]

i hate to add fuel here but if anyone is interested, check out this video. this is of my own yaris which appears to have an issue.....

http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffisthebest21

That is not a stock floor mat, and that dealership needs to be talked to (seriously) about putting those floor mats in ANY car. That is why Toyota is having o many issues right now. They probably got some sweet deal on those mat, and that is why they are in there. The stock ones look MUCH different. I will post a pic of one if I can find one (hard to find after recall)

[thebarber]

Haha about not buying another toyota because of the gas pedal deal

Ford (http://www.fordforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11259)
Chevrolet (http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=59854)
Chrysler (http://www.google.ca/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=Chrysler+gas+pedal+sticking&btnG=Google+Search&meta=lr%3D&aq=f&oq=)
Honda cars are catching on fire (http://www.leaderpost.com/business/Japan+frets+Honda+sets+recall/2500115/story.html)
Nissan (http://www.google.ca/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=Nissan+pedal+sticking&btnG=Google+Search&meta=lr%3D&aq=f&oq=)

On and on and on... it seems all companies except VW have had issues with gas pedals sticking. Kudos to VW too bad the rest of the car is a piece of crap.

The reason it's such a big deal is because it is toyota. When your on top everybody comes gunning for you. Trust me they did not have to come forward to deal with this. Can you tell me when the president of GM publicly apologized for the lack of reliability?

I don't think people are gunning for them. They screwed up big time and several people have died or been injured as a result. I've always thought Toyota would have similar issues to other manufactures when they got as big as GM/Ford.

Don't be such a Toyota fan boy. They've know about this problem for years and have done everything in their power to cover it up including buying off government employees.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyot...tory?id=9747342 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/revolving-door-us-safety-agency-toyota-representative/story?id=9747342)
But internal government memos and court testimony analyzed by ABC News show the federal investigations were extremely limited in scope, after negotiations involving former safety investigators who had been recruited to work for Toyota's Washington, D.C. office.

Wow, the CEO came out an apologized after he couldn't cover it up any longer. What a nice guy.

cover-up?