Engine Swap

[Nutzoids]

Question...

Would a Toyota 2ZZ-GE2 engine fit into a Yaris?

Why spend $2,500+ on a turbo that might not fit, when I can spend $3,000 on an engine that spits out 180hp?

ANYONE????...

:evil:

[Teruyume]

when I can spend $3,000 on an engine that spits out 180hp?

So how much u gonna spent on installation labour, plus parts fabrication?

Assume:
Engine removal & install 16hr@$50/hr $800
Custom Wiring Shit 5hr@80/hr $400
Custom Engine Mount 3 pieces @300 each $900
Custom Drive Shaft 2 pieces @400 each $800
Custom AC line, Rad hose, Heater hose, Vaccum lines, intakes...etc $500
Plus a bunch of unknow stuffs, wut about $1000

u are looking at $4400 on top of ur $3000motor. Now u got yourself a 180HP yaris........ wow wut a deal............lol

how about Blitz Compressor $3000
full internal w/ piston&rod $1500
Head job w/oversize valve & spring $1000
Injectors $800
Engine removal $ install 16hrs@50/hr $800
ECU flash and tune 5Hr@80/hr 400

$7500, u got yourself a Race Motor with over 200WHP how's that lmfao:headbang:

[eTiMaGo]

TRD Thailand quoted about $3000 for the swap including the engine, all labor and parts, so it's quite a viable alternative here. But it would take them about a month or more, as the whole engine bay needs to be modified to fit the engine. And, the engine would be a refurbished one, not brand new.

But, the 2ZZ-GE is a very interesting engine, redlining at 8000+rpm if I am not mistaken... Plus you could always add a turbo or supercharger later, if there's any space left in the engine bay, and look at some pretty crazy power...

And, apparently the 1.8L Yaris TS will be eventually available here too, so that's another option for an engine, wait and see!

[dngz]

how big is the engine? the engine bay seems so cramped even with a teeny weeny inline 4 banger..!

[Teruyume]

the engine and tranny is too big to fit in between the Left and Right Front unibody.............seriously don't think distorsion of unibody is smart

[Katana]

Ι have thought of it too.

In Europe, this engine has 192hp and the limiter is at 8800rpm!If I could find a brand new one, I would do it!

[Black Yaris]

[edit] 2ZZ-GE
2ZZ-GE Engine in the Corolla XRSThe 2ZZ-GE is a 1.8 L (1796 cc) version built in Japan. Bore is 82 mm and stroke is 85 mm. Output is 180 hp (134 kW) at 7600 RPM with 130 ft·lbf (176 N·m) of torque at 6800 RPM. It uses MFI fuel injection, has VVTL-i, and features forged steel connecting rods. Compression ratio is 11.5:1. Unlike others in the ZZ family, the 2ZZ-GE requires "premium" gasoline - 91 octane or above in the USA. Power output for this engine varies depending on the application and tuning, with the Lotus Elise and Lotus Exige offering 190 hp but the Pontiac Vibe, Toyota Corolla and Toyota Matrix versions only developing 180 hp (+2005: 170 hp). The Corolla Compressor and Lotus Exige S add a supercharger to achieve 215 hp, while the Exige 240R's supercharger increases output to 240 hp.

The 2ZZ-GE utilizes a dual camshaft profile system (the "L" in VVTL-i, known by enthusiasts as "lift"), to produce the added power without an increase in displacement or forced induction compared to the lesser engines in the ZZ series. This is similar in concept to Honda's i-VTEC, but the two systems are very different in design and execution.

Toyota commissioned Yamaha to design the 2ZZ-GE, and it shares several similarities with street bike engines, the most notable being the relatively high RPM design. The high-output cam profile is not activated until above 6000 RPM (the exact point of engagement is different depending on the vehicle, year, and ECU involved). On all of the Toyota-built vehicles, redline begins at 8200 RPM while the tachometer is typically numbered to 9000, giving an incredibly small "unusable" range. The Toyota ECU electronicly limits RPMs (through fuel and/or spark cut) to ~8200 - it is impossible to "over-rev" the engine with the throttle alone, a downshift from a higher gear is required. The motor will happily run at ~4000 RPM for extended periods of time, and during stress testing the motor will be run at redline for extended periods without issue. For the first few years of production, the engines were notorious for breaking off the "lift bolts" inside the engine. This didn't do any damage, but did hamper performance, as the high output cam profile would not engage properly. Toyota fixed the problem in late 2002, and there is a TSB for dealers showing what bolt to replace and the redesigned bolt.

Applications:

Toyota Celica SS-II (Japan, 190 PS)
Toyota Celica GT-S (USA, 180 hp)
Toyota Celica 190/T-Sport (UK, 189hp)
Toyota Corolla Sportivo (Australia, 182 hp)
Toyota Corolla Compressor (Europe, 215 PS)
Toyota Corolla XRS (USA, 170 hp)
Toyota Corolla Fielder Z Aero Tourer (Japan, 190 PS)
Toyota Corolla Runx Z Aero Tourer (Japan, 190 PS)
Toyota Matrix XRS
Pontiac Vibe GT
Lotus Elise (North America/UK)
Lotus Exige (US/UK)

[spkrman]

power is way too high in the RPM range for me.

[spkrman]

perhaps I'll raise the question, if this motor is a headache to install in a yaris, what would be a better motor to swap?

[eTiMaGo]

I would guess the engine being used for the Yaris TS would be a better fit, though I am not sure what model it is.

A 2JZ-GTE would be pretty sweet though :biggrin:

[Black Yaris]

a 2jz-gte with a rwd conversion, would a be kick ass lil drift machine

[raz0rbladez909]

a yaris drifting that'll be the day lmao

[the_saint]

a yaris drifting that'll be the day lmao
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2354&page=2&highlight=tacoma
Scroll about half way down.

[spkrman]

any updates here?

[Russelt3hPirate]

there has to be better motors.

3sgte? AWD? :)

[ChinoCharles]

An AWD Yaris... yummmmmm

[bigsky2]

One of the Yaris sedans at SEMA featured a fully tuned Garrett turbo charged 2ZZ-GE2. :cool:

There was some heavy modification as the steering wheel was moved further to the rear of the vehicle for even weight distribution.

[thefoth]

any updates here?

No updates as of yet. Head over to http://www.mospeed.com/yaris/ to follow for updates.

We are currently working on developing the braking system, suspension, a body kit, and building the engine.

If someone is looking to just do a swap in their Yaris I would recommend contacting http://www.whyindustries.com, http://www.turbotoyotas.com (related groups)
They already have developed a number of swaps for the xA, xB platforms and it would only take them a couple weeks to make new mounts for the Yaris. They also have a turbo kit developed for the 1nz-fe.

It doesn't look like there is any contact info up on the site yet, but I do have it if anyone is really interested.

As far as Project Sideways Yaris is concerned, the engine selection was based of a very basic idea. We wanted to present to Toyota that they could build an affordable RWD car for under $20k by utilizing parts that are EASILY available from other Toyotas. There are thousands of base model 2wd, std cab Tacomas , thus thousands of 3RZs and the Yaris is a very affordable platform so putting them together for an OE shouldn't cost very much. Second to that, the 3RZ is a very strong engine, it is used in the RWD tC drag cars and produces upwards of 1500hp. Our target for Project Sideways Yaris is 300-400hp. :burnrubber: Though the 3RZ doesn't have the prestige of the 3S-GTE, 4A-GE, or the 2JZ-GTE... it will be more than capable of handling the task.

Hope that answers the questions.

Peace,
David
Project Sideways Yaris Manager

[weaponrcamry]

I would do the 2zz swap, 4age, or the 1zz swap. But the most up to date motor is the 2zz or the 1zz. It would more smaggable if you are having trouble with emissions, and a visual check. I have also found out if you are doing the swap is that the sedan has more engine room than the hatch(LB). With the 2zz swap their would be no air condition, you would have to basically go into the floor boards, cut back into the firewall, make a new wiring harness, plumbing, drive shafts, frame rails and the list goes on and on, probably the same thing with the 1zz. Unless you like to do custom work go for it. But what comes to mind is that people from japan or overseas get the 1.8 dual vvti so if somebody can look closely to their interior and engine bay a compare that car from yours that would sure help out a lot. I want to do a swap or turbo. More linear toward the swap. Please help.... If nobody checks out these specs, I guess I am going to wait until the scion XD comes out and look at their engine bay, since it shares that same platform as the yaris.
The 1nz-fe.. Just rebuild that, more room for turbo, you get air condition, cheaper to do in my opinion...

[Toymaniac]

we have here a echo hatchback with a silver top(4age 20v) tunned to 230hp in it with rear disc conversion i,ll try to take some pics...

the owner is the owner of the echocup series.

[regime]

A 2JZ-GTE would be pretty sweet though :biggrin:


Oh god all you need to do is sound like your from California, and say "2jz no shit".... and hey why your at it... you could mention "overnight car parts from japan".... :COUGH:

[thebarber]

i wouldnt swap a 2zzge into a yaris...the 6 speed tranny is a piece of sh!t

[DoriKnights]

im still planing on doing th yaris 2zzge engine conversion..... so need to sell for $$ on project any one wanna buy..?

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e32/jdmtrd85/DSC05041.jpg

[DoriKnights]

$3600.00

[Black Yaris]

2zz-ge is going to be no problem.... I am glad someone breathed live back into this.... I want to see it happen, I plan on yankin the 1nz for the 2zz when i go past the 3yr/36k....

[DoriKnights]

2zz-ge is going to be no problem.... I am glad someone breathed live back into this.... I want to see it happen, I plan on yankin the 1nz for the 2zz when i go past the 3yr/36k....


does any one have a picture of a yaris empty engine bay.. and a 04 rolla's empty engine bay..?

it looks like enough room if i relocate the battery to the trunk
the engines look like the sit alike in the same spot of the engine bay on both cars

[mojoyaris]

Yes. I'm working on the swap and trying to gather more data. My mechanic is going to look into this as well, plus finding the engine and tranny.
It'll be something to have done next year after i've had fun with the 1nzfe.

[johnnyfive]

does any one have a picture of a yaris empty engine bay.. and a 04 rolla's empty engine bay..?

it looks like enough room if i relocate the battery to the trunk
the engines look like the sit alike in the same spot of the engine bay on both cars

http://www.superjens.com/cars/12262006-Electric-Yaris/stripped-yaris.jpg
best shot i could find in half a second :) thats from the electric yaris conversion

[seanele]

i give you guys one word,..."FOOSE"..:headbang:

everytime i'm heading north of i-15..right before passing Ontario Mills,
i always see the sign Foose on the left..:biggrin:

...they might not give you Corolla engine..but they'll throw in a small block V8..:biggrin:

if that's possible, it's gotta be a mid engine kinda car, place right behind the drive.
added some AWD system.......saweeettttttt!!!!!!

[AlphaFox]

[QUOTE=johnnyfive; thats from the electric yaris conversion[/QUOTE]

More info on this??!

[Black Yaris]

More info on this??!

here is a link (http://www.google.com/)

[AlphaFox]

Im thinking of putting on a front spoiler on my car, what do you think black?

[alfaking]

Has anyone considered the 1ZZ-FE engine and 5 speed trans? A Toyota Mechanic I talked to said the engine and trans mount bracket holes are close enough to maybe be interchangeable.
I know its not the hi zoot engine but it has 130 hp which is ideal for a 2260 lb car. It wont be sick fast but you can drive it in the rain every day if you had to. They already put a 130 hp 1.8 in the TS version of the Yaris in France.
Also, the head is narrower than the 2ZZ-GE so the engine may fit without modification to the firewall and core support etc.

[Black Yaris]

Has anyone considered the 1ZZ-FE engine and 5 speed trans? A Toyota Mechanic I talked to said the engine and trans mount bracket holes are close enough to maybe be interchangeable.
I know its not the hi zoot engine but it has 130 hp which is ideal for a 2260 lb car. It wont be sick fast but you can drive it in the rain every day if you had to. They already put a 130 hp 1.8 in the TS version of the Yaris in France.
Also, the head is narrower than the 2ZZ-GE so the engine may fit without modification to the firewall and core support etc.

130whp is achiveable with the 1nz with out the cost or hassle of swapping the motor with bolt ons and propper tuning....

2zz-ge or 3s-gte FTMFW!

[Sabretooth]

I keep looking into this for a big option for my future, Just waiting to kill the warranty. 17k into 36k.

Ive already found a shop that is interested in doing it, but they havnt come with a ballpark figure for such a swap, they havnt done anything this tight and unique before. But they have done a ton of Honda swaps, and some oldschool 350 Small Block, '91 Celicas.

Ill have to get with them to double check if the 4age Silvertop with a 6-speed would be more feasable on a budget, only thing is, older motor in a newer car....

:thumbdown:

But I would love a 2zz, just dont think its totally do-able especially if you plan adding a Turbo or major bolt-ons. Not to mention the 4age has a TON of upgrades. But same goes for the 2zz, I guess its all what can be in reach of your Budget...

Big money = Big swap.

[Black Yaris]

I keep looking into this for a big option for my future, Just waiting to kill the warranty. 17k into 36k.

Ive already found a shop that is interested in doing it, but they havnt come with a ballpark figure for such a swap, they havnt done anything this tight and unique before. But they have done a ton of Honda swaps, and some oldschool 350 Small Block, '91 Celicas.

Ill have to get with them to double check if the 4age Silvertop with a 6-speed would be more feasable on a budget, only thing is, older motor in a newer car....

:thumbdown:

But I would love a 2zz, just dont think its totally do-able especially if you plan adding a Turbo or major bolt-ons. Not to mention the 4age has a TON of upgrades. But same goes for the 2zz, I guess its all what can be in reach of your Budget...

Big money = Big swap.
what is your budget? I will tell you where to get the donor car for the 2zz with in that budget..... also... it will fit, Thomas said they are doing those swaps in Thailand for about $4000 USD for new 2zz motors....

[Sabretooth]

I dont even want a new motor. Just one with like 15k miles, just past the broken in period.

I was looking to pay around 3.5k total, the same you would get with a Turbo kit, all around, a turbo kit would cost in an area of about 4k after you get the clutch, and everything, plus install.

[Black Yaris]

Hell I can get you in under $4000, I am sure... www.copart.com (http://www.copart.com) find a location near you where you can pick up a donor car, it has to be picked up by a towtruck, and you have to pay, cash, certified check or moneyorder. You can not buy from the site, but I can.... just tell me when, and which auction to start watching and I will get you a car with in your budget :thumbsup:

[KSIbucky]

the ecu alone is a problem with the yaris

[Black Yaris]

the ecu alone is a problem with the yaris

well the Engine control modual (ECM) would come out of the doner car... problem solved :biggrin:

when you change the engine you change the engine management to match, no problem

[KSIbucky]

well the Engine control modual (ECM) would come out of the doner car... problem solved :biggrin:

when you change the engine you change the engine management to match, no problem

but would..... what about the.... and the..... ya your right ill shut up now

[MPG-brian]

better than 2zz...swap the 2zz into your yaris, add a hydra ems ($1500), then you can lower the 'lift'. then you will have more hp available sooner than 6400 rpm like in corolla, matrix, etc.

[ddongbap]

Why don't we first figure out if the 2ZZ'll fit in the first place? I was contemplating this. But if the 2ZZ would require custom fab, then I might as well invest in putting in a B18.