Know by Toyota Yaris defect

[rslyk]

We own a 2007 Yaris 3dr Hatch back. We have discovered a defect
that Toyota has been aware of since Nov 2007. Toyota made an
inproduction change but elected to conceal a impending failure in
all previously produced cars...."Total customer care" they call it.
If you want to see the proof, email me and I'll send you the internal Toyota Technical Service Buliten.....UPDATE
Yaris world CTSCOTT has just posted the TSB list...
look at #TSBEG048-07

[CTScott]

Would it happen to be one of these:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9753


T-AC001-07(HVAC Odor )
T-AC003-07(Blower Motor Noise & Vibration )
T-BO002-07(Windshield Wiper-Washer Performance Improvement )
T-BO011-06(Parking Brake Lever Dust Boot )
T-EG010-07(M.I.L. ON DTC P0011, P0012, or P0016 )
T-EG032-07(Accessory Drive Belt Noise (Revised) )
T-EG035-06(Excessive Sulfur Odor (Revised) )
T-EG040-07(M.I.L. ON DTC P0335 Only )
T-EG048-07(M.I.L. ON DTC P043E, P043F, P2401, P2402, & P2419)
T-EL001-07(IG1 Relay Freezing )
T-EL002-07(Charging System Warning Light ON )
TS-AU001-06(Audio Quick Reference Guide (Revised) )
T-SB-0026-08 (Trunk Lid Full Open Position Improvement)
T-SB-0027-08 (HVAC Evaporator Drain Blockage)
T-SB-0038-08(Cylinder Head Cover Baffle Precautions)
T-SB-0053-08 (Alignment Pin Installation during Transmission Transaxle)
T-SB-0065-08 (Blower Motor Noise &Vibration)
T-SB-0067-08 (Noise from Auxiliary Port with External Device)
T-SB-0120-08 (ABS M.I.L. ON DTC C0210 or C0215)
T-SB-0138-08 (Permanent-Type Protective Wax Coatings)
T-SB-0142-08 (Upper - Lower Windshield Tick Noise)
T-SB-0197-08 (Tire Pressure Warning System Activation )
T-SB-0200-08 (Automatic Transmission Serial Number Locations)
T-SB-0201-08 (MY Yaris Pre-Delivery Service)
T-SB-0260-08 (Remanufactured Automatic Transmission Serial Number)
T-SB-0288-08 (Front Seat Squeak Noise)
T-SB-0301-08 (Engine Serial Number Location)
T-SB-0302-08 (Special Service Tools)
T-SB-0304-08 (Upper Instrument Panel Rattle)
TS-BO017-03(Trim Garnish Loose (Revised) )
TS-EG018-06 (ILSAC GF-4 Engine Oil Recommendation)
TS-EL003-07(Supplemental Restraint )
TS-EL009-07(Programming OEM Wireless Door Lock Remote Transmitters )
TS-EL010-07(WIRELESS TRANSMITTER & Programming Guide
TS-PA001-07(Refinishing Replacement Bumper Covers )
TS-SS002-07(TECHSTREAM ECU FLASH REPROGRAMMING PROCEDURE)
TS-ST005-01 (VEHICLE PULLING TO ONE SIDE)
TS-SU007-06(Shock Absorber Replacement )
TS-TC003-07(Driveshaft Assembly Replacement )
TS-TC010-07 (World Standard Automatic Transmission Fluid )
TS-TR-0061-W (2008 VIN Decoding)
TS-TR-0062-W (2009 VIN Decoding)

[rslyk]

tsb048-o7

[CTScott]

tsb048-o7

OK - So, it's one of the published TSBs. In my 2 years of participating in this forum, I've seen one person mention having this issue, versus the AC odor one, of which probably close to 100 have complained of. Just because there is a published TSB, doesn't mean that every car which that TSB applies to will have that issue. It is to educate the service people of a known potential issue, so they don't have to spend a great deal of time troubleshooting that issue, when a customer comes in. This is standard practice for all car manufacturers.

My only issue with this is that manufacturers typically only address the issue if it is discovered while the car is still under warranty. But, there again, if they didn't use the warranty period as the demarcation, then what would be a reasonable period to continue addressing the issue?

[rslyk]

I believe that the FIRST time that the cars with this are driven for an extended period in a reasonaable heavy rain storm this failure will occur REGARDLESS of period of in
service time. If you look at the replacement parts differences it is clear that they
were concerned enough to do a redesign but not honorable enough to offer
a $100 update to avoid a $1200 repair that was caused by a known defect. This
goes directly to the question of INTEGRITY. This is not a failure of use, wear and
tear or expectation of service....I believe it is a continuation of the corporate
mentality to dismiss known defects as "OUTSIDE" warranty period. To answer
your question of how long....if a change in production is made to correct potential
failure and no offer of at customer cost update at "IN DEALERSHIP" major service intervals is made....forever. This is truely an issue of integrity not warranty. Regardless of the number of complaints you have viewed during your participation in this forum....
to dissmiss this defect is not considerate of those folks who have these infected cars and need to be informed so that they make choice of a $100 up date prior to failure.

[bobolinko]

tsb048-o7

Either there is a missing post, or I'm not seeing all of them, but Where is the TSB that's being addressed ? I do not see, nor can I find anywhere, any reference to TSB-048-07. I'm interested in seeing that TSB....
Now my curiosity is Piqued........:cool:

[CTScott]

Either there is a missing post, or I'm not seeing all of them, but Where is the TSB that's being addressed ? I do not see, nor can I find anywhere, any reference to TSB-048-07. I'm interested in seeing that TSB....
Now my curiosity is Piqued........:cool:

It's posted in the thread that I linked to in my post above. It is in regards to the evaporative canister getting saturated with water. The fix is a change to the filler pipe cover.

[CTScott]

By the way, check out this site, which lists the number of TSBs by manufacturer:

http://www.mycarstats.com/reports/tsbs.aspx

[rslyk]

hopefully by the time you get this you will have seen the list from CTSCOTT
that I am sure will cause Every Toyota dealer in the world to quivering. tsbo48-07 is about < o7 3 door hatch backs....if you have one outside warranty within the vin # range....fix it....then picket a Toyota dealership, they will not take you seriously otherwise. That is my opinion.

[Stove]

Take a look at the TSB lists for any car company. Toyota isn't the only company that has to do a little re-engineering after releasing a car or that tries to cut corners in an attempt to maximize profits.

"Honorable"? They are in business to make money, just like every other company. Do they build a good car? In my opinion, yes they do.

[rslyk]

Take a look at the TSB lists for any car company. Toyota isn't the only company that has to do a little re-engineering after releasing a car or that tries to cut corners in an attempt to maximize profits.

"Honorable"? They are in business to make money, just like every other company. Do they build a good car? In my opinion, yes they do.
STOVE try reading The TSB EG048-07 in question....Does the fact that cutting corners and re-engineering justify not offering to update a known defect...As long as consumers accept this type of "customer care" by Toyota, more hidden defects like the ones killing people nation wide will be concealed as "out of Warranty"..... Unless you live in total isolation you must surely see the millions of dollars in advertising propaganda Toyota is spending to restore their percieved integrity. My point is that the defect is real, very cheap to reslove, very expensive if allowed to occur. If the defect is real enough to change production it is real enough to offer an update of cars in the field....a Question of warranty ?.... no...a question of integrity.

[MadMax]

Seriously, are you new to automobiles? These things happen to all makes and models of car, regardless of the manufacturer. You act like it is some kind of life-and-death issue that has killed hundreds of people. It is a service bulletin, your dealership is aware of it and if it's such an issue with you, then take it up with them.

But it is not a recall item, which is what manufacturers do when an issue warrants it. This one does not, so it is handled by a TSB.

And can the "honorable company or not" poll, as it is insulting. You are making a mountain out of a molehill, do you really consider that to be "honorable?" Are you really insinuating that Toyota would cut such a minor corner and it somehow saved them millions of dollars? If so, you're worse than the media...

[rslyk]

MadMax...you must be a Toyota employee...or at least a peson in the
business that thinks that integrity is not a part of business... if my poll
insults you then.... I apologise...not for my poll but for your total lack
of the concept of intergity.

[cdydjded]

Im a little confused. In you first post you put:
TSB048-07
in the 11th post you put:
TSB EG048-07

If the latter is correct then here is the TSB directly from Toyota:
http://www.diymyowncar.com/toyota/yaris/tsb/T-EG048-07(M.I.L.%20ON%20DTC%20P043E,%20P043F,%20P2401,%20 P2402,%20&%20P2419).pdf

And another thing I dont understand is this statement:
"Toyota made an inproduction change but elected to conceal a impending failure in all previously produced cars"

How is Toyota "concealing" something if the put out a bulletin? The bulletin clearly states , by vin # the car with problems.

[MadMax]

MadMax...you must be a Toyota employee...or at least a peson in the
business that thinks that integrity is not a part of business... if my poll
insults you then.... I apologise...not for my poll but for your total lack
of the concept of intergity.

No, I don't work for Toyota and my Yaris is my first car by the manufacturer; but I probably have more time driving and owning cars than you have on this planet and your rant about a simple TSB is ridiculous!

As for integrity, I don't think you want to challenge me on that...

And learn how to spell...

[tomato]

"honorable" you mean as opposed to slimey, greedy, know-that-it-will-kill-you-but-will-sell-it-to-you-anyway kind of company, right?

Yeah, I do believe Toyota is a reputable, and honorable company.

To be more specific, it is my opinion that Toyota has been making durable, well built cars since I'm old enough to drive. It wasn't that long ago that you could still walk around and see 20+ year old Toyotas on the road around here (California recently cracked down on older vehicles, so that's why you don't see them anymore, but I bet if the smog laws weren't so strict, you'd still see them around). So yeah, I have a great deal of consumer trust in the brand.

Every car company has recalls and cars do break down with use, almost all cars do. I guess you'll have to look at the percentages to see whether a company makes a good product, but the answer is still yes, otherwise, I wouldn't have bought a Yaris.

PS. I used to own Hondas before. The Yaris is my first Toyota.

[rslyk]

To cdydjded...Thank you for asisting me with my inaccurate TSB # I see
by your profile you have a Yaris lift Back have you read tsb eg048-07 to
see if it applies to you....If it does i would suggest you spend the $25 to
update your car.....as to concealment.....if it applies to your car it is my
opinion that unless you heard It from Toyota rather than I the information
was concealed from you. This TSB was never send to owners or distributed
a FYI to warn owners of a POSSIBLE upcoming failure that prompted Toyota
to make a production change. In my opinion that consitutes concealment.

[tomato]

I forgot to say. I'm not counting hybrid vehicles. I know next to nothing about hybrid vehicles but IMO, those are in a separate class. The technology is kinda new so we'll have to see in a few years which company comes out on top.

In any event, you were wondering if we thought Toyota is an honorable company so there you have it. :iono: Of course, that's the general answer you're gonna get on a Toyota Yaris enthusiast board, you know that right :smile:

[rslyk]

No, I don't work for Toyota and my Yaris is my first car by the manufacturer; but I probably have more time driving and owning cars than you have on this planet and your rant about a simple TSB is ridiculous!

As for integrity, I don't think you want to challenge me on that...

And learn how to spell...
Mad Max....I can see that customer satisfaction must truely be practiced in your business..sell defective products and some how make believe that it is OK because everyone else does it.....If you don't like my spelling.......I don't challenge your integrity .....you have already demonstrated it clearly.

[Stove]

I'm pretty sure the response to your poll speaks for it self.
"We have discovered a defect that Toyota has been aware of since Nov 2007.". Umm, this TSB was made public by Toyota close to 3 years ago, anybody that has taken a moment to look up TSB's has discovered it. It was posted on this site since at least Oct 2008 (Last time the post was edited). You've been a member here since 2008... I think you can see where I'm going with this.

If you're upset that it isn't covered on cars that are out of warranty, it really is unfortunate. Maybe in the future, you might want to check the Service Bulletins while your car is still under warranty. Don't wait for, or expect, the manufacturer to send you a notice.

While it is easier to blame Toyota, not looking sure isn't going to save you any money. Looking up TSB's takes a lot less effort than to "picket a Toyota dealership", I doubt you'll do either.

On a side note, with the recent activity of an ex-member whose name we shall not speak.... are we being trolled here?

[rslyk]

You are absolutely correct..... It is my fault that Toyota manufactured a defective
car and choses to not own up to it.... I did not bother to do anything other than
trust Toyota. My mistake, it won't happen again. I think you are missing the point....Why are you not championing an effort to let all Yaris owners know that if your vin is #xxxxxxxxx75126293 and below this problem sooner or later will bite you. You claim to be an all knowing Yaris owner who just happens to have a car that this defect does not apply. I'll bet that if you witness a rape.... if it is not YOUR daughter....she must have had it coming. I have experienced this kind of appathy and denial too many times in the past....when Ford told me that the misterious unintended accelleration of my Ford LTD didn't exsist... a recall followed ....when two different sets of my Firestone tires delaminated, one causing a roll over, they said it had never happened to anyone else before....a recall followed.... When a Force outboard motor broke off and jumped up into the boat with us, Brunswick said that was impossible...a recall followed...When my neighbors Toyota accelerated out of control.....Toyta claimed it was his fault... a recall has followed....what is the common thread ?.....in each case the manufacturer refused to acknowledge a defect untill the liability was to big to deny and the cost of ignoring it rose to a value greater than sending out a TSB and hoping the clock runs out. This defect will not kill anyone but is a unresolved defect none the less...When this failure happens, Toyota will sell $1000 worth of parts each time it occurs. I am really glad that YOUR Toyota is not affected....You are right the Poll says it all.

[Billiam]

Like it or not...recalls are issued concerning safety issues. TSBs are issued for issues that may effect some vehicles, but not all and are rarely safety related. All vehicles, by all manufacturers have TSBs.

[thebarber]

man, you and your friends have bad luck w/ cars!

im not saying toyota is without fault, my 04 matrix xrs has plenty of problems with it.

instead of a rogue engine code, why not go after toyota's shitty paint that chips if you look at it funny. or how the 1zzfe transmission suck and usually wear out by 150000kms. or how the 2zz 6spd clutch in 03/04 matrixs prematurely wears out....

you seem to be barking up the wrong tree with your crusade on this site, it seems.

good luck rslyk, you're going to need it.

[MadMax]

Mad Max....I can see that customer satisfaction must truely be practiced in your business..sell defective products and some how make believe that it is OK because
everyine else does it.....If you don't like my spelling.......I don't challenge your
integrity you have already demonstrated it clearly.

My "business" for almost the past 30 years has been providing national security so dumbasses like you can spout their stupid opinions freely.

Obviously you must be a "satisfied customer," because you have the ability to spew such nonsense without someone cracking your ignorant skull in!

You're welcome!

Now go away, troll; you're giving Texas a bad name!

[sickpuppy1]

I can see a recall if it is safety related, or will affect a large percentage of vehicles. If it is something that will effect only a small percentage in only certain situations then a recall is not called for. They did not knowingly build them like this, but found out afterward,and corrected as an ongoing build modification,and issued the TSB for the rest,so integrity is intact as I see it. If they knew it and continued to build it like that anyways, that would be another issue.
With your luck in vehicles, I was going to suggest the bus line, but I dont think they have seatbelts and no airbags for sure. But then again, you'd probably get strangled by the belt or a black eye from the bag so......good luck and watch your back,there out to get you!! lol

[sickpuppy1]

And by the way,THANK YOU MAX !!!!

[Stove]

I'll bet that if you witness a rape.... if it is not YOUR daughter....she must have had it coming. I have experienced this kind of appathy and denial too many times in the past....

This supports your argument how? If you want to discuss how and when people might report a crime, I would suggest the "Off-Topic" section of this forum.

I was looking for the Ford recall and I can't find a recall notice for any year of the Ford LTD regarding unintended acceleration, what year was your LTD?

My Yaris isn't my first car, it isn't even my 10th. I've had cars that had recalls issued against them and a few Service Bulletins as well. My current car will probably have a few Service Bulletins issued against it within the next year or two and I'll watch for them. It has already had one recall. It's over a vehicle capacity sticker, a B.S. recall in my opinion but it's still a recall. I don't assume it's everyone else's responsibility to keep me informed about things I own, nor do I wait until my warranty is up to "discover" the things I should have had serviced.

Recall does not equal Service Bulletin, you aren't going to see a recall on your current issue.

[tomato]

Stove, ^ you beat me to it.

I was wondering how we got from Toyota to rapes?!!

OP, you know this is an Toyota Yaris enthusiasts' forum, right?

You asked an ethical / highly subjective question "is Toyota honorable?" I think you got your answer in the poll, loud and clear. It's not apathy, it's how we feel!

The rest of your argument is debatable, but don't feel too bad if you're not getting the response you expect from this board. You do know this is an "enthusiasts' board," right?

Now if you had mentioned the paint, I think you might have gotten a completely different response from this board :wink:

By the way, everybody takes a deep breath in here :smile: :smile: , yeah you too, Max :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

[tomato]

PS. The Yaris is the very first car I buy with a little bit of manufacturer's warranty on it. Most of the cars I've driven had no warranty. Some of the cars I bought were way older than me (back in my younger days) and some were probably unsafe to drive by today's standards (come to think of it, by yesterday's standards, too). Maybe that's why I'm not too worried about my Yaris. :iono:

[MadMax]

By the way, everybody takes a deep breath in here :smile: :smile: , yeah you too, Max :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

Oh, I'm breathing fine! I learned long ago not to allow idiots--especially on the Internet--to get me all worked up.

But I also don't take insults lightly, especially when it comes to my integrity.

And being that the OP is from the great state of Texas, he should know better; as those are what are termed as "fighting words" in this state. But I have a pretty good idea of what kind of individual we are talking about here. He doesn't have anything to offer on this forum, and I honestly don't expect him to be on here too long...

Oh, and thanks sickpuppy1; I appreciate the kind words! :headbang:

Cheers! M2

[Mad Goon]

Meh, "honor" is something that's hard to come by these days. I don't think ANY company can say they practice "honorable" procedures...

Do I think Toyota makes good cars? Of course I do. I wouldn't have taken the time to register on a Toyota Yaris message board if I didn't.

[rslyk]

man, you and your friends have bad luck w/ cars!

im not saying toyota is without fault, my 04 matrix xrs has plenty of problems with it.

instead of a rogue engine code, why not go after toyota's shitty paint that chips if you look at it funny. or how the 1zzfe transmission suck and usually wear out by 150000kms. or how the 2zz 6spd clutch in 03/04 matrixs prematurely wears out....

you seem to be barking up the wrong tree with your crusade on this site, it seems.

good luck rslyk, you're going to need it.
The barber.....I certainly agree with you it is an uphill climb.....but if one Yaris owner
with this defect can avoid a $1000 parts purchase it worth the abuse....I see by
your profile you own an 07 hatch back..down load Tsb #eg048-07 ....if it applies to
your car spend the $25 on parts before it fails....

[rslyk]

Stove...The Ford recall was on the cruise control that would for no reason
go to wide open throtle....it was in the mid 80's and was phantom problem
that took Ford years to live up to...I believe it was finally linked to a ground
path problem....

[thebarber]

The barber.....I certainly agree with you it is an uphill climb.....but if one Yaris owner
with this defect can avoid a $1000 parts purchase it worth the abuse....I see by
your profile you own an 07 hatch back..down load Tsb #eg048-07 ....if it applies to
your car spend the $25 on parts before it fails....

if it fails, so be it. likely be exasperated by the supercharger im puting on.

if it dies and i cant get warranty to replace it, ill buy a used 1nzfe and put it in myself, or try my hand at installing a 2zrfe...any tsb's on that engine?

[rslyk]

Sickpuppy....I don't believe that there has been anywhere I have called for a recall..
my point is that if you own one of these defective vehicles and it has not failed yet..
spend the $25 for the redesigned part and avoid the $1000 purchase of the part it will cause to fail...

[rslyk]

if it fails, so be it. likely be exasperated by the supercharger im puting on.

if it dies and i cant get warranty to replace it, ill buy a used 1nzfe and put it in myself, or try my hand at installing a 2zrfe...any tsb's on that engine?
Rock on.....I like you style.

[127.0.0.1]

Stove...The Ford recall was on the cruise control that would for no reason
go to wide open throtle....it was in the mid 80's and was phantom problem
that took Ford years to live up to...I believe it was finally linked to a ground
path problem....

you sure this is not the multi-million vehicle recall where fords caught fire because the cruise control brake switch was in the brake fluid and vehicle would catch fire overnight in the garage ?

or any of the other of millions of recalls by 'name ANY auto manufacturer here' ?


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to rslyk

yeah it sucks to have a problem with a car, but the way you're talking about it, the way you are doing, and bringing up completely irrelevant comparisons, is only making you look foolish here...

Toyota is a corporation, and the goal is to 'make money for stockholders'. Period. To achieve that goal, they strive to design reliable and stylish automobiles (and other heavy machinery and products) for various price points. Failures detract from that goal. Mistakes can and will happen and Toyota tries to correct them. Your expectations as stated are unreasonable and quite silly, and don't 'float' in the real world.

sh*t happens, deal with it.

[Lucas13]

I like many things of my Yaris but it has been in repairs for over 84 days since I Purchased Brand new, a lot of things gone bad with this car, there is no doubt that is a lemon, I can’t say that all of them will have all this problems, what I’ve seen is that my yaris has had many of the issues the some folks of this forum already experienced.

I owned a tC and I had only two minor problems a broken glove box and loose panoramic roof, I only drove it until 17k and then I traded it for the 350Z which was the best car I ever owned. My dad’s 01 corolla still working very solid, and my sisters 03 corolla the same those two cars are a good example of great Toyotas.

I think we can’t expect the same quality of the old school Toyotas…

[rslyk]

I like many things of my Yaris but it has been in repairs for over 84 days since I Purchased Brand new, a lot of things gone bad with this car, there is no doubt that is a lemon, I can’t say that all of them will have all this problems, what I’ve seen is that my yaris has had many of the issues the some folks of this forum already experienced.

I owned a tC and I had only two minor problems a broken glove box and loose panoramic roof, I only drove it until 17k and then I traded it for the 350Z which was the best car I ever owned. My dad’s 01 corolla still working very solid, and my sisters 03 corolla the same those two cars are a good example of great Toyotas.

I think we can’t expect the same quality of the old school Toyotas…
Lucas13.....If you still own your Yaris 3dr o7 litback and have not had the filler neck
cover and support repalced... yet spend the $25 for the parts and change it. Not
doing this will cause an incurrsion of water into your charcoal cansiter sooner
or later...If it happens outside your warranty the canister/filter will cost nearly
$1000 to purchase....

[eTiMaGo]

rslyk, you need to sell your Yaris and buy the world's most reliable car that will never have any TSBs or recalls, from a car manufacturer that is totally honorable and not in it only for the money. Such as the... er... er.... hmmmm.... I'm drawing a blank... a bicycle perhaps? There *was* Volvo, but they kinda went broke and got taken over by Ford...

Or try your hand at designing a modern, complex, mass-produced vehicle and get it absolutely flawless...

Or you could call your lawyer and sue Toyota over this infamy!

Seriously, there are things worth getting worked out over, if you put half of this energy into lambasting BP over the oil spill, maybe they'd be getting somewhere.

[rslyk]

rslyk, you need to sell your Yaris and buy the world's most reliable car that will never have any TSBs or recalls, from a car manufacturer that is totally honorable and not in it only for the money. Such as the... er... er.... hmmmm.... I'm drawing a blank... a bicycle perhaps? There *was* Volvo, but they kinda went broke and got taken over by Ford...

Or try your hand at designing a modern, complex, mass-produced vehicle and get it absolutely flawless...

Or you could call your lawyer and sue Toyota over this infamy!

Seriously, there are things worth getting worked out over, if you put half of this energy into lambasting BP over the oil spill, maybe they'd be getting somewhere.
eTMaGo....Thanks for you advise....I'll cut my wrist now..but if you do
not own a 07 Yaris 3dr lift back... my post really doesn't apply to you...somehow
you seem to think that its is rubbish to try to make owners of affected cars aware
of an acknowledged defect.....If you have a 07 Yaris 3 dr hatch back with this
defect.... sooner or later it will bite you....if outside your warranty ...the canister/filter will cost you nearly $1000....Toyota made a production change but never offered
owners of these cars the knowledge that a $25 up date could avoid this failure.....

[eTiMaGo]

I have an '06... and live in the tropics... and have driven many many many times under rain so hard the wipers are barely helping at all... no issue

Toyota has offered the owners knowledge of the update, that's what TSB's are about. Ownership of a car does not mean the manufacturer will personally call you to update you about these TSBs, it does require a *little* effort on the part of the owner to do some research.

I guess we now personally know the demographic for which the "Maintenance Required" light was invented...

[rslyk]

Well that is super....tell me... is your 06 LiL red 5 door a vechicle that is affected by Tsb e048-07 ? since you didn't post your vin# it would be hard for me to tell...Does your car even have a Key offEVAP pump module? Maybe I am wrong, but I don't believe the defect shown in that TSB affect a car outside the USA. I appreciate your sharing your deeply researched demographic study.

[Lucas13]

Lucas13.....If you still own your Yaris 3dr o7 litback and have not had the filler neck
cover and support repalced... yet spend the $25 for the parts and change it. Not
doing this will cause an incurrsion of water into your charcoal cansiter sooner
or later...If it happens outside your warranty the canister/filter will cost nearly
$1000 to purchase....

Thanks rslyk, Right now I’m waiting for the day of the hearing and I’m crossing fingers that I get my car replaced, if this doesn’t happen I will take your advice and replace that part, I’m assuming that is not difficult to DIY.

[MadMax]

Recall and TSB work does not require the vehicle to be under warranty.

I guess we now personally know the demographic for which the "Maintenance Required" light was invented...

Now that's funny! :clap:

[Stove]

Recall and TSB work does not require the vehicle to be under warranty.

True, you can always have either done, but it's quite likely you'll pay for TSB's out of your own pocket if your warranty is expired. Typically, Recalls are covered regardless of warranty coverage to a point. Extreme example, but Toyota isn't going do free Recall work over brake issues on a 1969 Corolla.

The OP's issue is not covered as a free repair for the life of the car, only if its under warranty. A good reason to be proactive and watch for Service Bulletins.

[rslyk]

Thanks rslyk, Right now I’m waiting for the day of the hearing and I’m crossing fingers that I get my car replaced, if this doesn’t happen I will take your advice and replace that part, I’m assuming that is not difficult to DIY.
The replacement of the filler cover and cover holder is very simple....I hope you
prevail in you quest to replace your "lemon"....what forum are you in....I had a semi successfull quest in 1982 with a Porche 944 in Miami Under the Florida lemon law....if possible I would find your pleadings and final outcome interesting reading....
good luck.

[tenaz]

I believe that the FIRST time that the cars with this are driven for an extended period in a reasonaable heavy rain storm this failure will occur REGARDLESS of period of in
service time. If you look at the replacement parts differences it is clear that they
were concerned enough to do a redesign but not honorable enough to offer
a $100 update to avoid a $1200 repair that was caused by a known defect. This
goes directly to the question of INTEGRITY. This is not a failure of use, wear and
tear or expectation of service....I believe it is a continuation of the corporate
mentality to dismiss known defects as "OUTSIDE" warranty period. To answer
your question of how long....if a change in production is made to correct potential
failure and no offer of at customer cost update at "IN DEALERSHIP" major service intervals is made....forever. This is truely an issue of integrity not warranty. Regardless of the number of complaints you have viewed during your participation in this forum....
to dissmiss this defect is not considerate of those folks who have these infected cars and need to be informed so that they make choice of a $100 up date prior to failure.


+1

BUMP

TENAZ

[ABOOGAMAN]

I believe that the FIRST time that the cars with this are driven for an extended period in a reasonaable heavy rain storm this failure will occur REGARDLESS of period of in
service time. If you look at the replacement parts differences it is clear that they
were concerned enough to do a redesign but not honorable enough to offer
a $100 update to avoid a $1200 repair that was caused by a known defect. This
goes directly to the question of INTEGRITY. This is not a failure of use, wear and
tear or expectation of service....I believe it is a continuation of the corporate
mentality to dismiss known defects as "OUTSIDE" warranty period. To answer
your question of how long....if a change in production is made to correct potential
failure and no offer of at customer cost update at "IN DEALERSHIP" major service intervals is made....forever. This is truely an issue of integrity not warranty. Regardless of the number of complaints you have viewed during your participation in this forum....
to dissmiss this defect is not considerate of those folks who have these infected cars and need to be informed so that they make choice of a $100 up date prior to failure.
I have also had this failure

[tomato]

+1, bump? hmmm

Clearly, this thread seems to be attracting the trolls :rolleyes:
so I'm gonna lock it for now.