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xnamerxx

01-14-2011, 06:05 PM

Your running 15:1 afr at 5700 rpm's what about that screams yeah this motor is getting enough fuel. I have no idea what pump/pressure/fuel lines your running. Being that the afr only looks marginally good at 3-3.5k my guess would be that the fuel pump can't keep up. Just because it didn't blow up on the first run doesn't mean it won't. Id rather not see your motor that costs a pretty penny because your letting it run lean.
Unless your fuel system can handle another 30% increase in flow I wouldn't even have e85 on radar.

xnamerxx

01-14-2011, 07:28 PM

Im pretty sure the power is giving up so early because the turbo is to small for the amount of power hes making. You can see it in the torque curve how it starts to die at 5k rpm's. Dont know the specs on his cam or the rpm range of the intake he's running but Id have to hazard a guess and say both are rated for something like 3-7.3k rpms but the turbo doesn't have the cfm to keep up.

If you look at the compressor map for the disco potato it gives up on at about 35 lb per minute with 2.2 bar. Rule of thumb is 10 hp per every lb per minute so easy math says 350 hp give or take 20 hp.

Nexus1155

01-14-2011, 10:53 PM

Tial / Garrett GTX-2860 RS Turbo w/ SS Housing and Billet Wheel
Walboro 255l , Aeromotive regulator , Perrin fuel rail ,
Aerospace Components custom fuel block for NX kit
680cc Precision injectors

for xnamerxx ^^^

Does your standalone tell you the duty cycle the injectors are running at. Looking at that graph seems like you have something more to work with, like a handful of the people here say.

xnamerxx

01-14-2011, 11:31 PM

Its a walboro 255 so it should be good for the power the injectors are 60lb which are again probably good for the power hes making. We don't have the fuel rail pressure nor do we have duty cycle so those are 2 unknowns.

But seeing as the Yaris was never engineered to have 350+ hp id be willing to be the fuel lines from the tank to the engine are to small.
Garm what are you running for fuel lines? 8an?

Im not trying to bash xbgod on his build to each their own poison but running that dangerously lean and nitrous will result in a nitrous backfire which will blow your intake off the car.
If the fuel issues get fixed and you run nitrous please do not go over a 50 shot with this small of a motor or you'l get to meet mr puddles and blow your intake up and probably wreck your turbo. Trust me with this I have nitrous on another car and I've run a 150 shot there is nothing scarier than watching your fuel pressure drop from 39 psi to 24 psi for a microsecond and jump back up.

Blown_xa

01-14-2011, 11:55 PM

Haven't considered E85. And to the other guy on my fuel pump, lines and so fourth, are you serious? I'm not even going to respond to that. All is working well and tune is great. I made good numbers and now I'm movin on. It's time to finish pimping it to look sexy and wash and wax it. The only thing I'm doing on the side is getting involved with someone else on a real cam set for these motors. This will be in the works for a little while but you can bet when I'm done with R/D with that it will be bullet proof. Don't ask me any questions on it cause it's top secret right now. But you can rest assured I will have a real head cam set for next year. It's been alot of fun and I set out to make power and did so. So if your a hater out there then beat my numbers, good luck.

XBG
Hey man, don't worry about the critical posts. Every forum is full of haters and people who just sound off to make themselves feel better into thinking they know what they are talking about ... even though they don't. Do your thing, ignore the crap. A formula 1 team could come on this forum presenting performance parts, people would still question them and complain. They would "check with their sources" to satisfy themselves with usless opinionated info.

Nexus1155

01-15-2011, 12:16 AM

Hey man, don't worry about the critical posts.

Blown, I know you are knowledgeable, surely you must see the drop off in power and then a sudden lean condition. You see no problem with that?RPM still increased. he didn't let off the gas.

xnamerxx

01-15-2011, 12:45 AM

No one here is hating on him they are all pointing out a giant problem with his afr.

Ever wonder why evos, sti, cobras, vettes, vw's, or any other car that has a forced induction engine runs at afrs around 12:1 or less its not because there trying to sap power from the motor its because running any leaner results in detonation/pre-ignition and combustion temperatures that are to high.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg35/crand002/DynoGraph.jpg?t=1254370640

Hey what do you know on a STI the afr is less than 15:1 what a shocker and hey its running meth what do you know.

cali yaris

01-15-2011, 01:36 AM

Every forum is full of haters and people who just sound off

^ Are you including me in that? I asked a legitimate tuning question, and congratulated him on his numbers. And the question remains unanswered.

Parmas

01-15-2011, 01:45 AM

cdydjded

01-16-2011, 12:38 PM

1. Why it was so lean.
2. Why the power curve gives up early.

IMO

1 Cant intelligently answer that from this side of a keyboard. Need more info....
2 Ported head with stock cams

cali yaris

01-16-2011, 12:46 PM

^ I have a ported head with stock cams, so I don't think that's it.

Blown_xa

01-16-2011, 03:57 PM

^ Are you including me in that? I asked a legitimate tuning question, and congratulated him on his numbers. And the question remains unanswered.

Garm, like said already ...you are looking at the torque curve. The power hardly drops off. As far as afr's, im not gonna speculate. We have run 13.0 on our race car for good numbers on the dyno, it liked running lean. But after the insane power pulls were done we immediately corrected the afr's for racing trim. It may very well be the same in his case. Only his tuner can answer that question about the afr's on that particular pull, but what everyone failed to notice, is the pull ended early around 6000rpm . So my guess is the tuner let off knowing. The car may have made the best power on that pull so that is why it was posted. Only other reason for pull showing an end at 6000rpm would be because rpm's were based off roadspeed and the graph got trunkcated do to tire expansion.

cali yaris

01-16-2011, 04:25 PM

1. You didn't answer if you were including me in the word "haters" that you used.

2. Yes, I was looking at the torque curve. Regardless of which curve you'd like to discuss, the motor peaks very early; I asked why. I disagree with you that "The power hardly drops off." It's done at 5200. It drops off enough that the tuner stopped the pull early, as you noticed.

3. You can "not speculate" on the AFR's all you want -- but the dyno got posted and we get to discuss it, right? That looks too lean to me. (I could always be wrong, but I don't think I am on that detail).

Only his tuner can answer that question about the afr's on that particular pull,

Right. And if it were my car, I'd be asking that question before I drove away with it tuned like that.

cdydjded

01-16-2011, 08:44 PM

^ I have a ported head with stock cams, so I don't think that's it.

Yes you do & it was ported by someone else. A ported head by one guy is not he same as a ported head by another. Completly uncomparable.

cali yaris

01-16-2011, 09:26 PM

OK, I can't argue because I don't know enough, I'll admit that. Maybe the porting job alone gave him a power curve where horsepower is done by 5200. Were there some pics posted of the head? I can't remember.

cdydjded

01-16-2011, 10:52 PM

Pics alone cannot give you any information. A flow chart is needed.

xnamerxx

01-17-2011, 01:55 PM

Since you seem to understand this subject so much explain why a stock yaris is able to keep making power past 5200 rpm's and this dudes motor is out of steam at 5200 rpm's.

All I want is a explanation as to why that would be the case.

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 02:09 PM

xnamerxx

01-17-2011, 02:10 PM

Yes, I want a explanation as to why a very modded car is plateauing in power at 5200 rpms where as a stock yaris would not be doing that if it really was a problem with heads and cams.

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 02:20 PM

Well first of all it why would you think that you could compare NA vs Boosted on a dyno sheet? HP comes in very differently between the 2. Also he has an aftermarket intake manifold & a ported head with stock cams. Im not going to speculate on why his dyno looks the way it does. I congratulate him on his efforts.

Nexus1155

01-17-2011, 03:03 PM

Unless that stuff was hurting the flow or restricting it, wouldn't it promote power in the higher revs since you are making it easier for the motor to breathe? especially when still using stock cams?

xnamerxx

01-17-2011, 03:08 PM

Seeing as his dyno looks like any other dyno with a maxed out turbo Im going to go out on a limb and say he maxed his turbo out.

The fact that just because your car has air being forced into it doesn't mean your dyno curves will looks drastically different. All your doing is compressing air in a given space. The engine will still consume the air as it would in N/A form. If you look at any car be it PD induction or turbo the peak power is still the same as it would be N/A as long as the boost levels are held until the power adder is maxed out on its induction.

Im not going to sit here and congratulate a guy on making power when its obvious to anyone who knows anything about engine tuning when there are clear problems. In the end do I care if this guy blows his motor no but when people believe his setup is normal and good then more people will continue on the wrong path of how to setup a motor adding more noise for people who are looking to get the right info.

cali yaris

01-17-2011, 03:55 PM

It's xbgod's thread, to "share with the community" this build and the results. I've asked my questions, so I'm done for now. If the answers get posted, I think that will be valuable to all of us.

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 06:31 PM

xnamerxx : Seeing as his dyno looks like any other dyno with a maxed out turbo Im going to go out on a limb and say he maxed his turbo out.
I have to agree with you on that, Garrett claims max HP on that turbo to be 360HP
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2860RS_739548_1.htm

The fact that just because your car has air being forced into it doesn't mean your dyno curves will looks drastically different. All your doing is compressing air in a given space. The engine will still consume the air as it would in N/A form. If you look at any car be it PD induction or turbo the peak power is still the same as it would be N/A as long as the boost levels are held until the power adder is maxed out on its induction.
Id have to completely disagree on this. Manifold runner size, plenum size & what work is done will dramatically affect the power curve

Im not going to sit here and congratulate a guy on making power when its obvious to anyone who knows anything about engine tuning when there are clear problems. In the end do I care if this guy blows his motor no but when people believe his setup is normal and good then more people will continue on the wrong path of how to setup a motor adding more noise for people who are looking to get the right info

As for the above comment, this is the first time the car is dyno'd with the current combo. Iv never seen a car come out of the box with no issues. Im sure if he feels changes need to be made to correct the so called "lean issue" he will fix them.

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 06:33 PM

It's xbgod's thread, to "share with the community" this build and the results. I've asked my questions, so I'm done for now. If the answers get posted, I think that will be valuable to all of us.

BTW, what are the questions you are waiting answers for? And who are you waiting for to answer them?

cali yaris

01-17-2011, 06:54 PM

^ read the thread. You've already said you can't answer them and don't want to speculate, which is fine.

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 06:57 PM

^ read the thread. You've already said you can't answer them and don't want to speculate, which is fine.

THX for answering my 2 question so clearly......

cali yaris

01-17-2011, 07:10 PM

You're welcome!

Yoda

01-17-2011, 08:49 PM

Xb has turned ghost....

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 08:56 PM

Xb has turned ghost....

I would too considering the hostility in this thread....

xbgod

01-17-2011, 09:07 PM

No ghost, just out having a little fun and had to fix an exhaust leak.

I see I missed alot in past few days, holy-crap.

Remember I don't use VVTI so that has some play in what your reading. Also the XB starts to fall on it face at around 5000-5200 RPM. Paul at Dezod can even tell you this. It's just the way it is. As far as being lean My car likes it there. It dosen't detonate and pulls like a beast. More than likely because of my 107 octane and M1 meth.

All is well so I hope this helps, if not sorry..........I'm running'em down and enjoying the car.

You guys can keep running your own senarios and speculation, it happens especially on forums.

Thanks to all that have followed me.

XBG

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 09:16 PM

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 09:38 PM

I'm gonna chime in...I don't think any of the heavy 1nz hitters are running VVT-I, AFAIK, mostly because of A) Some standalones don't offer control modules yet (I can vouch for that) and B) from earlier speculation in this same thread by Aras and others, at a certain point it becomes a hindrance as opposed to a power builder. (Which doesn't make sense to me, but whatever...I don't have a 350hp 1nz to play with and speak from experience.)

Also, I'm currently picking my nose and drinking a miller light. I may or may not have already consumed a number of long island iced teas.

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 09:40 PM

Also, this post got pushed to the side and I was hoping for some speculation from Aras. Thanks

Sweet numbers. Curious...what are you hoping to run at the track? What were your E.T.'s on the old build?

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 09:42 PM

Well there you go, 1 reason (the biggest) for the difference in HP is that he is NOT using the VVTI. So in essence you cant compare a NA dyno that uses VVTI to his....

And in regards to this, I highly doubt that Garm is comparing an NA dyno to Aras'....I think he's more comparing his non-vvt-i turbo set up.

cali yaris

01-17-2011, 09:42 PM

All I did was ask two questions. (1. Why does it stop making power at 5200, and why was it tuned that lean). I was called a hater and now hostile. I haven't said a critical thing about the build or the tune. Lame.

Also the XB starts to fall on it face at around 5000-5200 RPM.

I asked why, it was just a question. Art's didn't (280whp). Mine doesn't (357 whp). So, that question remains unanswered. "That's just the way it is" is not a useful answer.

The second question really belongs with the tuner, as he seems to be the only one who can answer it. "It likes it there" is great to hear, but again is not a useful answer IMO.

xbgod, you got great numbers. (I already said that). If you're not curious about the why of these things, that's fine, it's your project of course!

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 09:43 PM

All I did was ask two questions. (1. Why does it stop making power at 5200, and why was it tuned that lean). I was called a hater and now hostile. I haven't said a critical thing about the build or the tune. Lame.

I asked why, it was just a question. Art's didn't (280whp). Mine doesn't (357 whp). So, that question remains unanswered. "That's just the way it is" is not a useful answer.

The second question really belongs with the tuner, as he seems to be the only one who can answer it. "It likes it there" is great to hear, but again is not a useful answer IMO.

xbgod, you got great numbers. (I already said that). If you're not curious about the why of these things, that's fine, it's your project of course!

Hater. :biggrin:

xnamerxx

01-17-2011, 09:58 PM

Well there you go, 1 reason (the biggest) for the difference in HP is that he is NOT using the VVTI. So in essence you cant compare a NA dyno that uses VVTI to his....

Explain to me how this matters, hes not running a stock cam iirc and not only that he doesn't have a stock intake and why dont his torque numbers drop sharply like they would if he fell out of the stock cams torque band. Not only that doesnt Garm use stock cams with vvti turned off.

I wont say im a expert at tuning but what im seeing on his dyno sheet is very obvious to whats going on. Im not saying maxing the turbo out is bad just saying he did that and his dyno proves it.

As for running lean its not detonation you need to worry about its going to be scuffing pistons and cracking rings and ringlands and pre-ignition.

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 10:00 PM

Also, I'm currently picking my nose and drinking a miller light. I may or may not have already consumed a number of long island iced teas.

Now thats funny!!! :bellyroll:

xbgod

01-17-2011, 10:00 PM

Garm, your no hater. I still love you...........In a non-gay way!

My tunnner "Rolo" is coming over to the shop on my side of the bay for a tweak on my ride for street driving. Setting it up as the way I drive and not just a heated pull on the dyno.

XBG

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 10:01 PM

And in regards to this, I highly doubt that Garm is comparing an NA dyno to Aras'....I think he's more comparing his non-vvt-i turbo set up.

Never accused Garm of anything, xnamerxx is the one comparing....

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 10:04 PM

All I did was ask two questions. (1. Why does it stop making power at 5200, and why was it tuned that lean). I was called a hater and now hostile. I haven't said a critical thing about the build or the tune. Lame.
I asked why, it was just a question. Art's didn't (280whp). Mine doesn't (357 whp). So, that question remains unanswered. "That's just the way it is" is not a useful answer.

The second question really belongs with the tuner, as he seems to be the only one who can answer it. "It likes it there" is great to hear, but again is not a useful answer IMO.

xbgod, you got great numbers. (I already said that). If you're not curious about the why of these things, that's fine, it's your project of course!

You assumed I was calling you hostile, I was not referring to you at all.

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 10:06 PM

Garm, your no hater. I still love you...........In a non-gay way!

The actual correct terminology is "no homo."

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 10:09 PM

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 10:17 PM

You cannot compare Garms build to xB build. They are all different. The only thing they have in common is the the are turbocharged.

I beg to differ. While they have inherent differences, they are running the same engine, the same compressor (turbo), and similar fuel systems. Obviously we cannot compare the flow characteristics of the head work and tuning maps, but given the ultimate goal of both machinists/tuners involved, I think that these two builds are more similar than you are giving them credit for.

^that post is for Carlos. For everybody else that doesn't understand what is going on, I'm not saying these two builds are in any way identical.

Also, Cotton needs new shorts, and I still would like some discussion on ETs, as I am a 1/4 mile nut. Aras, did you run the old build? Are you gonna run this one? Any idea what you think she'll run?

And I'm out of beer. Anyone close to VA?

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 10:30 PM

I beg to differ. While they have inherent differences, they are running the same engine, the same compressor (turbo), and similar fuel systems. Obviously we cannot compare the flow characteristics of the head work and tuning maps, but given the ultimate goal of both machinists/tuners involved, I think that these two builds are more similar than you are giving them credit for.

^that post is for Carlos. For everybody else that doesn't understand what is going on, I'm not saying these two builds are in any way identical.

Here are some key differences:

1 The port job on the head
2 Weapon-R sheet metal intake
3 Edlebrock Victor-X 70mm TB
4 Garrett GTX-2860 RS Turbo w/ SS Housing and Billet Wheel
5 LHT Performance custom Exhaust manifold/ down pipe and all intercooling pipe
6 680cc Precision injectors

All the above items make HIS build incomparable to Garms or Arts......

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 10:52 PM

Here are some key differences:

1 The port job on the head
2 Weapon-R sheet metal intake
3 Edlebrock Victor-X 70mm TB
4 Garrett GTX-2860 RS Turbo w/ SS Housing and Billet Wheel
5 LHT Performance custom Exhaust manifold/ down pipe and all intercooling pipe
6 680cc Precision injectors

All the above items make HIS build incomparable to Garms or Arts......

I actually took the time to respond to each of these points individually and weigh a valid argument for why the builds are similar enough to be comparable, but then I re-read your response, and realized that you are far too defensive and obtuse at this time to actually give any serious thought to a word that I would have said. I initially though that someone with (what I thought was) your level of understanding of what goes in to engine design would understand my initial comment, hence why I singled you out so that others wouldn't read in to what I had posted. I guess I had given you too much credit, although I doubt that's it. In my experience with you, you seem decently knowledgeable. Perhaps you just aren't willing at this time to hear any other points of view. Some other time, I guess.

Also, I'm still out of beer. How close are you to VA? Wanna grab a beer and talk shop? My treat...

cdydjded

01-17-2011, 11:03 PM

defensive and obtuse, wow. And on that note Im done........

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 11:09 PM

No, no, no. You got it all wrong.

You're supposed to say "What? What did you call me"

and then I'm supposed to post "Obtuse. Is it deliberate?"

And then you're up again with "Son, you're forgetting yourself."

and we go back and forth like that for a while, and I end up getting a bunch of time in solitary.

Yoda

01-17-2011, 11:13 PM

Ehh whats going on here:confused:. Been awhile since i seen this type dribble since Tamago days:tongue:. Lets not attack each other over a dyno sheet its not that serious. :rolleyes:

H3LlIoN

01-17-2011, 11:14 PM

I'm not attacking anyone.

PETERPOOP

01-17-2011, 11:36 PM

So can we see that video? :)

Parmas

01-18-2011, 10:14 AM

I really don't understand this post and I hope that XBgod can respond clearly here

Also the XB starts to fall on it face at around 5000-5200 RPM. Paul at Dezod can even tell you this.

What do you mean by fall on its face?

It's just the way it is.

The way it is? I really don't know what do you mean?

As far as being lean My car likes it there. It dosen't detonate and pulls like a beast. More than likely because of my 107 octane and M1 meth.

Your car likes it there? I never heard of an XB talking maybe you really are an XBgod:laugh:

All is well so I hope this helps, if not sorry..........I'm running'em down and enjoying the car.

I hope you will still enjoy your car really, but no one said running lean will selfdestruct immidately but in time it happens and I hope you want cry on this forum if it happens since we warned you

XBG

xnamerxx

01-18-2011, 02:03 PM

xnamerxx: Explain to me how this matters, hes not running a stock cam iirc and not only that he doesn't have a stock intake and why dont his torque numbers drop sharply like they would if he fell out of the stock cams torque band. Not only that doesnt Garm use stock cams with vvti turned off.
You cannot compare Garms build to xB build to Art's build. They are all different. The only thing they have in common is the the are turbocharged.
I wont say im a expert at tuning but what im seeing on his dyno sheet is very obvious to whats going on. Im not saying maxing the turbo out is bad just saying he did that and his dyno proves it.
What is obviously going on?
As for running lean its not detonation you need to worry about its going to be scuffing pistons and cracking rings and ringlands and pre-ignition.
How do pistons get "scuffed"
BTW detonation & pre ignition is the same thing....

Its simple air consumption is related to the amount of power you can make. If the limiting factor is his turbo which can only flow x amount of air no matter how much you rev the thing it will only consume as much air as the turbo is capable of putting out. Thats why his power band stays so flat. If you look at people who max the turbo out on their evo or sti or gti they all do the same thing.

When you run lean your combustion temperatures get hotter then optimal. Heat causes metal to expand. Since a piston and cylinder only have so much clearance if the metal expands to much it will reduce clearances and press against the walls of the cylinder which causes the pistons to scuff in the bore. Also running hotter will cause the rings to expand more then designed for and if the rings touch end to end they will crack and probably break the ring land in the piston causing a failure.

As for detonation and pre-ignition being the same thing no. If you believe that I suggest you google the subject. You get detonation from a many things but it always happens after the spark and pre-ignition before the spark.

Since you clearly don't understand/believe the information being given maybe you should try to prove why your right rather then argue why I'm wrong.

cdydjded

01-18-2011, 02:25 PM

I stand corrected on the detonation/pre ignition. As for anything else I will comment no more.

Blown_xa

01-18-2011, 06:54 PM

This is some funny shizat. haha! It's mathmatically impossible for torque curve to not cross at 5250. Only cars where is doesnt drop off much is an s2k or Formula 1 car, and that has more to do with volumetric efficiency at high rpm... which the 1nzfe will never see. The only thing we can do is maybe crazy cams and a efficient turbo set up to get good top end. Nobody is ever gonna destroke a 1nzfe.

I think people got a bit bent of shape here. Its basic knowledge on what afr should be, I highly doubt the tuner is oblivious to that.

ilikerice

01-18-2011, 07:19 PM

ive been reading and keeping up with all the forced induction threads on here to get an idea of where i may go with my yaris.. and this thread has turned into just a soap opera for me.. i cant wait for my next break or when i get home to read the next post..

anywho, with that out of the way, i need to get on the same page here.. are you guys arguing about the Torque curve dropping or the Horse Power curve dropping? cuz if its the torque curve, then im 100% with blown xa on this one.. but if its the power curve, then i have my own theory's that i do agree with a couple of you but im not as knowledgeable as everyone else here to argue any side. but i am learning a shit load of things the yaris is capable of and not capable of, and i thank all of you for everyones input

xbgod

01-19-2011, 10:40 PM

Well here we go again.

Junichi Tanaka from Jun Performance has seen my build and is in correspondance with me on doing a set of cams for my XB. Not sure on all the details yet. But I do know they are not regrinds and there stuff looks alot nicer than Gude.

XBG

Scubaru Steve

01-19-2011, 10:50 PM

xbgod

01-19-2011, 10:58 PM

cali yaris

01-20-2011, 12:45 AM

I think people got a bit bent of shape here.

Uh yeah, calling people haters will sometimes do that.

I looked at the JUN cams too, but at $1600 a pair, it was out of my range for the HP they would give.

Scubaru Steve

01-20-2011, 01:42 PM

The cams them self aren't my biggest concern. It's the clearence with the buckets and if I will need different springs.

Waiting on Junichi to get back with me on this. Should know tonight where we stand.

XBG

i wonder how aggressive the cams can be without major head mods. added duration is sweet, but the lift is what makes the huge difference.

im interested to here what they say.

xbgod

01-20-2011, 02:03 PM

As I thought, to run the turbo grind for JUN cams you will need to Change valve springs and buckets for tappet adjustment. None of which they have. So the question is, do they work? If so, whats the numbers they are getting.

They are not even sure when they will have these items to prove their cam grinds, which are new and not regrinds. Can't figure out why a company would make something that they cant prove results from.

They do make a N/A grind which allows you to use stock springs and stock Buckets from Toyota, which you will have to find the correct sizes on your own.

So untill someone like BC comes out with a complete set-up I belive the cam regrinds with shit like Gude does is just a useless up-hill climb.

Seems like their is always some retard trying to ice-skate up-hill.

XBG

cali yaris

01-20-2011, 02:53 PM

JUN cams come in three grinds, street, n/a and turbo. They are all in stock and ready to ship. They come with springs and retainers.

However, as you say, I have been unable to get any information on what car they were tested in (if they were tested) and what the results were.

So I pass for now.

Here are the specs:

1. 256 duration, 9.0mm lift (Street)
2. 272 duration, 9.5mm lift (NA)
3. 272 duration, 10.5mm lift (Turbo)

xbgod

01-20-2011, 03:07 PM

They do not come with springs or retainers. I just spoke with Junichi who owns the place.

At least this holds true for the turbo application and the N/A.

So this still leaves me with having someone else make the buckets.

XBG

cdydjded

01-20-2011, 03:13 PM

Are the above specs for both the intake & exhaust?

cdydjded

01-20-2011, 03:14 PM

xbgod

01-20-2011, 03:23 PM

Don't need to do that either. I'm good friends with Jon Ferrea. I had the valves springs lockers and so fourth made years ago. And can buy the stuff for, well lets just say dirt cheap. he's only 2 hours from my house in Fl. Buckets on the other hand would be a different beast altogether. Your talking about a possibility of 16 different bucket grinds. Not to mention he would need my head and alot of down time to set it up check all the clearences and so fourth. Just alot to ask without a substancial payout. This is what would be time consuming. Which is where Gude thinks he has the market. But his Remidy is shitty. Now you could do backwards math and make a different set of valves to make up the difference for the buckets. again will be time consuming. Either way this is a huge take-on. But one that needs to be done.

XBG

cdydjded

01-20-2011, 03:27 PM

So this still leaves me with having someone else make the buckets.

XBG

Are you calling "the buckets" what Toyota refers to as "the lifter"? Basically its like a cup that goes on top of the spring/retainer & is were the cam lob makes contact to open/close the valve.

xbgod

01-20-2011, 04:12 PM

You got it !

cdydjded

01-20-2011, 04:25 PM

You got it !

Well than thats not a problem. Toyota makes Lifters/Buckets in 35 sizes in increments of 0.020mm (0.0008 in.), from 5.060 mm (0.1992 in.)
to 5.740 mm (0.2260 in.).

xbgod

01-20-2011, 05:51 PM

I know that.

But depending on the grind none of them may work. Been down that road once already with schneider cams and thats also why Vance & Hines didn't want to take it on again. They did it once for Lesly in her XB and said it was a nightmare and didn't keep any of the specs. It was a one-off deal because of her race TC that they sponsor too.

XBG

cali yaris

01-20-2011, 06:10 PM

They do not come with springs or retainers. I just spoke with Junichi who owns the place.

Whatever. I have the email. I was considering becoming the USA distributor, but the price turned me off.

The fact of the matter is that JUN did not do these cams alone, there is another company involved. They have been providing the springs and retainers until JUN completes their R&D.

But since you're so sure, I won't post any more about it.

xbgod

01-20-2011, 06:10 PM

I know anything can be done. And have a few ideas up my sleve. I would like to put together a complete head kit that works out of the box for everyone. But I don't think I could get enough people to buy them to make it worth the while.

It would incompus the JUN turbo cams that are not regrinds getting a head over to Jon at Ferrea and using all their valvetrain with custom springs and custom valve lengths.

We would use two different bucket sets from Toyota one set all the same for intake and one set all the same for exhaust. The cams would have to be the same exact grind everytime, for this would set the standard for the valve lengths. And i'm sure JUN could do them the same everytime since their not regrinds and made right in the CNC machine.

So here is how it would work:

1. Head ported and polished at AEBS (Advanced Engine Breathing Systems)
2. JUN Cams
3. Ferrea Valvetrain with higher rated springs, which I can have done
4. Stock buckets from Toyota for ease of use

Once Jon does the valvetrain once all specs are in and can be ordered anytime.

This would be a nice set-up out of the box no guess work, that anybody could put together. All brand new shit no regrinds no used valves no junk.

Would be about 3,900.00 without head. You would send yours to AEBS.

XBG

xbgod

01-20-2011, 06:16 PM

Here is the E-mail's from JUN

JUN Auto Mechanic
3-1-7 Sekimachikita Nerimaku Tokyo
Tel 81-3-3920-4165 Fax 81-3-3594-2689
Jan 20
Dear Mr. Bibber
Thank you for refference of performance of your car. Of course our cams
are produced by casting cores.
For NA
1. 64-9.0mm
2. 68-9.5mm
For turbo
1. 68-10.5mm
Sorry we dont make valve springs yet. About NA we use them with the
stock valve springs.
Thank you,

Dear Mr. Aras
Thank you for your mail.
1. JUN camshaft set 1NZ-FE jpy 96,000
2. Transfer charge jpy 12,000

JUN Auto Mechanic
3-1-7 Sekimachikita Nerimaku Tokyo
Tel 81-3-3920-4165 Fax 81-3-3594-2689
Jan 20
Dear Mr. Bibber
If for turbo 68-10.5, you have to change valve springs for high lift
also change buckets for tappet adjustment. Sorry we dont have them yet
Can you look for them by yourself?Thank you,

Junichi

xbgod

01-20-2011, 06:18 PM

One thing I'm good at..............

Getting shit no one else can get done.

XBG

Tamago

01-20-2011, 08:55 PM

One thing I'm good at..............

Getting shit no one else can get done.

XBG

i get shit all day.

PETERPOOP

01-20-2011, 11:45 PM

One thing I'm good at..............

Getting shit no one else can get done.

XBG

What do you do for work?

and where's that video?

H3LlIoN

01-21-2011, 12:03 AM

One thing I'm good at..............

Getting shit no one else can get done.

XBG

You're also good at ignoring my 1/4 mile questions.

One thing you're not good at...posting the vid of the car that you promised.

Is this thing going to be @ Import Alliance in Nashiville, TN in July?

H3LlIoN

01-21-2011, 12:03 AM

i get shit all day.

I take shits all day.

Justsayin. :biggrin:

Tamago

01-21-2011, 07:50 AM

What do you do for work?

and where's that video?

he takes orders from people in the military

xbgod

01-21-2011, 08:48 AM

Yes ,

I take orders to kill people. Thats my job and damn is it good to watch someone drop. especially when there coming at you. and you can see the look in their eyes when they know their fucked.

You'll get a video when I get it all from the guys at CFT that shot it. Your an impaticent bitch. And I didn't promise you shit. My life dosen't revolve around a fucking car. You want a 1/4 mile time I can't even get enough time in my week to even go for a fun joy ride.

XBG

H3LlIoN

01-21-2011, 05:51 PM

eh. what a waste of a great build then. Still curious, is this going to be @ Import Alliance in July?

xbgod

01-21-2011, 06:21 PM

Their is a video in the works and not just a plain dyno pull video. You guys should know by now that I don't do just plain run of the mill stuff. I like quality and quanity so be paticent and some time soon will have something to show.

As far as the show in TN. I got to look at my calander and see what schools I got coming up. The rest of this month and part of next is already booked for me.

Also been fine tunning my car. changing a couple of things with the down-pipe and waste gate set-up.

And the interrior is under way with new Sparco stuff as well as new front and rear calipers from Aerospace Components. Getting ready to put in Anodized Red calipers. Lots of little new things going in. Just got my new 160amp chromed alternator with chromed adjuster bracket in. Lots of small details going on all at once and still haven't got to the outside yet.

I still have to deal with a new front-end new carbon rear bumper and side skirts. Not to mention new carbon spoiler. Then I need to take it to the spray booth at my parents shop to spray it. Then re-tag the back window for this years heavy hitters that helped-out.

So lots going as well as I have a magazine wanting to do a photo shoot for a cover. This is how busy I am right now. And some things are more important in the order of the to-do list. Exposure is my main concern so finishing the complete ride is priority #1.

XBG

xbgod

01-21-2011, 07:04 PM

Here is a pic of the new front-end

schragen

01-21-2011, 07:40 PM

^meh...

Scubaru Steve

01-21-2011, 10:03 PM

i like it, very clean looking,
a kit that looks like it could be oem :w00t:

xbgod

01-21-2011, 10:12 PM

Thats why I chose this one. The fact it looks like it could be OEM but also satisfies my need to have a low mount intercooler.

XBG

H3LlIoN

01-22-2011, 03:54 PM

As far as the show in TN. I got to look at my calander and see what schools I got coming up. The rest of this month and part of next is already booked for me.

July 16/17 is date. Nashville, TN

xbgod

01-25-2011, 06:22 PM

Thanks for the dates dude.

XBG

Yoda

01-26-2011, 08:29 PM

//Thread jack
Yo xb if you can get me a $300 rate for that dyno tune i will drive down there tomorrow:biggrin:

xbgod

01-26-2011, 08:33 PM

What ECU you using?

Also if it's one he tunes I'll get you the 300 rate. But I can't guarantee the time frame. Depends how many he has in front of you.

XBG

Yoda

01-26-2011, 09:04 PM

Aem fic. Don't have work tomorrow or Saturday so one of those days

xbgod

01-26-2011, 09:20 PM

If your serious I'll text Rolo and see what he says.

XBG

Yoda

01-26-2011, 10:02 PM

yea i am

xbgod

01-26-2011, 10:25 PM

Ok your set 10:30 am saturday. 300.00 for full AEM/FIC tune. As many pulls as it takes to get it where you want it.

Call the shop tommorow morning around 10:00 am and give either Jose or Rolo if he is available your info and that I refered you.

Shop number: 407-273-1051

Your Welcome

XBG

PETERPOOP

01-26-2011, 10:37 PM

sweeet

Yoda

01-27-2011, 02:21 PM

The date is set

cali yaris

01-28-2011, 12:28 AM

Good, maybe while you're there YOU can find out why xbg's motor gave up at 5200 and was tuned so lean. :wink:

cdydjded

01-28-2011, 11:25 AM

IMO:
5200RPM = No VVTI
Lean = Torco 107 & Meth

cali yaris

01-28-2011, 11:29 AM

^

As for anything else I will comment no more.

I'm interested in the tuner's comments.

cdydjded

01-28-2011, 11:41 AM

Here is a post from the ModularFords forums to back up my statements on the fuel:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php/132628-Stoich-Points-of-Race-Gas?

As for the no VVTI, Im going to dyno my car with & without VVTI to see what happens...

cali yaris

01-28-2011, 11:44 AM

^ If you're willing to do that, your dyno would be great information.

Nexus1155

01-28-2011, 11:48 AM

Ummmm, all of those values were pretty close in the range of stoich, regardless you do not want that in boost. Let alone, fuel wouldn't cause that lean of a condition when it wasn't lean like that before higher rpm's unless there was another reason for it.

Even quoted from that same website.

Unfortunately many folks we talk to think the stoichiometric air/fuel ratio is where they should set their fuel system at wide open throttle. So we are torn about posting or not posting stoichiometry data because of that potential problem.

cali yaris

01-28-2011, 11:53 AM

We know the tuner had control over the A/F. I believe that build has pretty big injectors and all the good fuel mods, so it's not a lack of fuel. What we don't know is the why of it.

The only reason I can figure doing pulls at WOT that lean is to get an hp number. But maybe there's another reason -- I keep saying I'm not an expert.

Nexus1155

01-28-2011, 12:04 PM

Yeah, but when you are turbo and maxing the turbo to the engines potential. You will get much more power running a more advanced ignition and proper AFR than to just lean it out. If everything really is in order, and the tuner didn't do it then there is another issue. But, my finger points at the tuner because he built the car as well as tuned it.

I do not think it's the turbo though, if it runs out of air at the top end, and the injectors are still injecting at the same constant then it would be rich since not as much air is getting to the engine.

And how would you just disable VVT-i like that? Just unplug the solenoid? ehhhhh? I don't think thats the proper way.

KCALB SIRAY

01-28-2011, 01:30 PM

cdydjded

01-28-2011, 02:50 PM

o

And how would you just disable VVT-i like that? Just unplug the solenoid? ehhhhh? I don't think thats the proper way.

Yes that is what I would do. I dont think a proper way exist. It not a normal thing to do. So however it is accomplished will be improper.

xbgod

01-28-2011, 07:36 PM

Well Yoda, enjoy your tuning session.

Don't bother asking about my build to Rolo. He won't give out any info on my project. His been part of my build for 5 years and some of the things we have done is known only to us. Like Ive said some things we keep to our selves. All he'll tell you is yes Aras car makes alot of power.

Have fun
XBG

cali yaris

01-28-2011, 08:07 PM

He won't give out any info on my project. His been part of my build for 5 years and some of the things we have done is known only to us. Like Ive said some things we keep to our selves.

Why?

xbgod

01-28-2011, 08:23 PM

Not interisted in giving out all my details on a forum for others to decide if what I've done is worth the effort. Or if it meets their standard or ajendas. You guys don't get to know everything somethings are just that, private.

Sorry

XBG

KCALB SIRAY

01-28-2011, 08:31 PM

Scion XB 1NZ-FE Turbo build <----title of thread

I thought the thread was to help others realize what can be done? I'd almost go as far as quoting you and saying you wanted to be a pioneer and help others get to the point you are at and show the world what can be done with this engine.

cdydjded

01-28-2011, 10:03 PM

Not interisted in giving out all my details on a forum for others to decide if what I've done is worth the effort. Or if it meets their standard or ajendas.

XBG

:clap:

cali yaris

01-28-2011, 10:35 PM

Lame, coming from someone who claimed his purpose here was to help out the community by sharing information.

Yoda

01-28-2011, 10:41 PM

Honestly if he doesnt want share that's his choice. Though I am curious I kno that some builders like to keep certain things under wrap. He built his motor and showed what can be done with it. The why this and that can be up for debate but it's just one of those things. I have meet many people that would not even tell you what they have done or what they have under the hood. This is no different. Happy you got what you wanted out of it and I am hoping I can get my tune really dialed in since I am pushing the limit for my compression ratio. Little room for error.... Lol but I love living on the edge.

cali yaris

01-28-2011, 10:42 PM

Then don't offer.

I've already been where most are trying to go and I will help others get there.

It's not about me anymore, it's about our whole club and getting everyone their.

I think we can all learn something new from each other since we carry the same motor.

I will post pics and continue with explaining my mods as questions arrise.

etc.

Nexus1155

01-28-2011, 11:02 PM

It really does suck as Garm has pointed out that information should be shared. It's not like there needs to be a huge secret behind all of this.

He has listed ALL of the parts he uses so whats just a little more info? I am sure I can go out and bore a block and do some work and make 400+hp. Did you recently see the 4G63 that made 1500hp?

You have that size piping, going into an expansion into a 70mm? TB going into different size piping into a different size flange. Is that good for flow? Even with a race prepped head, if the rest of the system isn't laminar it won't mean much.

We all like to learn from other peoples builds. Even if other people get angry or upset, other people will learn. Whether it be an achievment or a mistake, it's still progression.

Yoda

01-28-2011, 11:37 PM

I understand what you all are saying but at the end of the day if he dont want to share beyond this point thats up to him. Sux, yes, but i really dont think its even up to him. Probably the builder don't wanna give out any secrets. He might have had the intention of sharing, and he has, but when it came down to this part its hush hush. I can only guess. The important parts of his build have already been shared already so there is knowledge in that. The tune is the most important imo but this is where i see lots of tuners keep a tight lip. Its to protect there business. Its there secret recipe. Kinda like the Big Mac sauce....Ummm Thats yummy lol. I am sure some of you have come across or at least heard of this.

cali yaris

01-29-2011, 12:47 AM

^ If you read his comment, it's a 180 from earlier comments, and clearly has nothing to do with the tuner.

Not interisted in giving out all my details on a forum for others to decide if what I've done is worth the effort. Or if it meets their standard or ajendas. You guys don't get to know everything somethings are just that, private.

Tamago

01-29-2011, 02:05 AM

so is everyone finally realizing why this thread was truly started? someone wasn't getting enough attention on his own forums so he came here to be "worshipped"..

Parmas

01-29-2011, 04:40 AM

so is everyone finally realizing why this thread was truly started? someone wasn't getting enough attention on his own forums so he came here to be "worshipped"..

I agree with Tamago.

A forum is made to share everything not to keep the important information to be the champion.

Well I am building the engine myself aswell and if it wasn't for the community I am still searching blind without knowing what I am doing. By posting and asking questions, I learned myself and the community from my build. If you knew what are you doing (which still I am not sure it is) , from the beginning of your registering with yarisworld you should contribute your 2 cent.

I know from experience that after many hard work and many research and time, its a shame someone copies you with a click but in the end, someone will! it's just a matter of time.

I repeat this thread is made for the truly enjoyment for himself, to welcome people to his tuner business and to sell parts not sure for the care of the community.

Alright you should be proud but not that loud.

I would like to take the opportunity to give my appreciation to the community, especially to Garm as he helped me much on my build. Cheers!¬

One more thing, if you want to be the champion and keep it to yourself, why I should trust your information. You could anytime mislead us with info, which infact ppl could try it and fail .........and what your aswer WOULD BE or your tuner or your motor not good enough.

``¬¬Over and out roger - UNSUBSCRIBED

Nexus1155

01-29-2011, 02:45 PM

^^^ Now that just seems like attacking him.

I've checked, he's banned from most scion forums from reacting the same way. That really sucks that it happened. but as well, people antagonized him first, but thats only after him coming in all cocky from the getgo in every forum.

Just because I own guns doesn't mean I can go around shooting people. Jus' saying!

cali yaris

01-29-2011, 04:00 PM

^ Being "antagonized" justifies this response, then? just sayin' back.... :laugh:

There seems to be a certain ass-clown who has a car with 2 dicks hanging out the ass-end for tale pipes.

:thumbdown:

KCALB SIRAY

01-29-2011, 04:24 PM

So can we see that video? :)

:rolleyes: I doubt it.

xixarchangelxix

01-29-2011, 06:17 PM

Nexus1155

01-29-2011, 06:53 PM

Well, it was just shown why he joined as you can see, but I hear your argument. I don't own a Yaris myself, my girl does, but I still love and hook up the car. I personally drive an S4 and an Envoy.

Sometimes just to get ideas I see myself going over to scionlife just to check out new advancements in the 1NZ

Scubaru Steve

01-29-2011, 09:08 PM

I've wanted to say it for a while now... I don't get why someone with a scion is on here. It's YARISworld. I used to have a Celica that was done up... but I didn't join a forum for the Lotus Elise just because we shared the same engine...

the xb i believe is based off the yaris / vitz platform, a lot of the parts are interchangeable, everything on his engine will fit on ours. there are not a lot of people that have tuned the 1nzfe, im happy to see what has worked and not worked for people, even if its not a yaris.

a celica-lotus is a huge difference,

my lady owns an echo so are you saying i should not be on this forum either?

xixarchangelxix

01-30-2011, 03:45 AM

the xb i believe is based off the yaris / vitz platform, a lot of the parts are interchangeable, everything on his engine will fit on ours. there are not a lot of people that have tuned the 1nzfe, im happy to see what has worked and not worked for people, even if its not a yaris.

a celica-lotus is a huge difference,

my lady owns an echo so are you saying i should not be on this forum either?

The echo was sold under the name yaris in many markets. The xb was not. Please look up the engine in the Lotus Elise.

xnamerxx

01-30-2011, 03:05 PM

I'm going to chime in here since I was the person that "antagonized him" I called him on B.S. and he never explained how I was wrong just that I was wrong. I am perfectly willing to accept being wrong if you can explain it in a proper fashion. His attacks on my character were completely out of line and something that makes his company look very bad. Aerospace components is a manufacture of drag racing brakes for the mustang and camaro world and his attacks on me owning a mustang make his company designs and work look bad.

To add this I will never mention who I work with or who I know because of something like this thread. If I get into a heated argument with someone and people knowing where I work or who I know may not only make me look bad but also make them look bad. I am not willing to have a possible poor desicion by me to effect my company or associates lives.

Tamago

01-30-2011, 04:24 PM

well, he's banned :)

Nexus1155

01-30-2011, 04:29 PM

HOLY **** he is banned... I didn't think I'd live to see the day that someone more disruptive than Tamago came on this forum :wink:

PETERPOOP

01-30-2011, 05:09 PM

I didn't think I'd live to see the day that someone more disruptive than Tamango came on this forum :wink:

I'd have to disagree.

Scubaru Steve

01-30-2011, 05:19 PM

The echo was sold under the name yaris in many markets. The xb was not. Please look up the engine in the Lotus Elise.

xb, yaris, echo, same platform.

elise, celica, may share the same engine, not even close to the same platform.
can you swap suspension? brakes? transmission? list goes on....

its not really a comparison...

xixarchangelxix

01-30-2011, 07:55 PM

xb, yaris, echo, same platform.

elise, celica, may share the same engine, not even close to the same platform.
can you swap suspension? brakes? transmission? list goes on....

its not really a comparison...

You seem to have completely missed the point of my post and for some reason have taken offense to my personal opinion and viewpoint. You aren't going to change my opinion and I fail to see where in my post I said anything that related to you. You aren't xbgod and you don't drive a scion. My post was not in the least bit directed at you and yet you somehow feel it was and for that I apologize. Maybe you have issues that you need to deal with or something because to me, it seems as though you're trying to start an argument with me for the sake of starting an argument. Feel free to pm me more of your misguided anger, but please leave it off the boards.

XBG

01-30-2011, 09:20 PM

It's great to banned by a hypocrite. But for the record I've only been banned at one site and thats ClubXB.

And for the retard on here that dosen't know why an XB guy would want to talk about that car on a Yaris plat form.

How's about they share the same motor :eek:

So any performance gain could be shared equally. (DE DE DE)

It's been a great run and for those of you that gained from me great and those that didn't sorry about your luck.

And if you thought I need to post here for attention your even further wrong.

Whats great is this thread continues on even after Ive been banned.

XBG-OUT

KCALB SIRAY

01-30-2011, 10:26 PM

....you're still logged in ;)

Nexus1155

01-30-2011, 10:41 PM

....you're still logged in ;)

Had me laughing.

We can seee youuu :biggrin:

xnamerxx

01-30-2011, 11:08 PM

So I see you want to still play. Lets skip the character bashing and how about you just answer some questions.

1.Why did your tuner release your car running so dangerously lean?

2.Against common knowledge why was your car running so dangerously lean?

3.Why does your power level out at 5200 rpms?

4.Why are you running a aftermarket intake and limiting yourself to 6000 rpms?

5.What is the duty cycle on your fuel injectors running those rpms and boost?

6.Having spent so much money on the engine and having connections throughout the industry why are you running stock valve spring?

7.How did you come up with the fact that your cams have too much overlap when thats controlled by how the cams are degreed?

8.How much total timing do you have dialed in on your combination?

Since I'm the know it all with no knowledge about anything please explain those simple questions for me. No need to bash here and knowledge as to why any of those things are happening would be furthering the knowledge on this forum.

Tamago

01-31-2011, 07:18 AM

xb, yaris, echo, same platform.

elise, celica, may share the same engine, not even close to the same platform.
can you swap suspension? brakes? transmission? list goes on....

its not really a comparison...

actually, the xb/xa/echo is in no way "swappable" with the yaris.. suspension is different, brakes are different, hubs are different, interior (seats) are different, engine management is different (DBW instead of cable throttle)

so, they share most of the same engine.. that's about it. the transmissions don't even swap back and forth without modification. this idea that they're the same platform is wrong.

Bluevitz-rs

01-31-2011, 10:48 AM

actually, the xb/xa/echo is in no way "swappable" with the yaris.. suspension is different, brakes are different, hubs are different, interior (seats) are different, engine management is different (DBW instead of cable throttle)

so, they share most of the same engine.. that's about it. the transmissions don't even swap back and forth without modification. this idea that they're the same platform is wrong.

So what about all the guy and gals on this forum with '00-'05 model yaris? :confused:

ROCKLAND TOYOTA

01-31-2011, 03:28 PM

HOLY **** he is banned... I didn't think I'd live to see the day that someone more disruptive than Tamago came on this forum :wink:

I'd have to disagree.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup::thumbsup:

johnny_vitz

01-31-2011, 04:55 PM

So what about all the guy and gals on this forum with '00-'05 model yaris? :confused:

I think this thread is getting to everybody :eek:. I was on scionlife.com and clubxb.com, and it's where I found a bunch of my parts for my car. And now i'm here...all is well as long as we can learn from each other. :thumbup:
Tamago was the one that confirmed for me that the xb trans would fit into my echo (thanks btw), I might not have gotten an answer elsewhere!

KCALB SIRAY

02-01-2011, 12:21 AM

...this thread is going no where fast

MaineYaris12

02-01-2011, 07:16 AM

like the 80% of the threads on here

Yoda

02-01-2011, 11:21 AM

I vote to lock it. There is no more useful information being put in.

Tamago

02-01-2011, 09:05 PM

keep it open, so he can keep coming back to defend his tunner's "honner"

changchewsoon

02-05-2011, 02:50 AM

oh he's banned? i haven't been logging in for a while now, didn't realize so much as happened!

turboecho2005

02-19-2011, 06:17 PM

This looks like another case of too much money and not enough smarts... Thats my useless 2 cents :)

pimp my yaris

02-20-2011, 12:59 PM

This looks like another case of too much money and not enough smarts... Thats my useless 2 cents :)

Ditto. I just dont care for people who bash others because they are not using top of the line parts. The Yaris is a cheap car and most people here will modify on a budget and be creative with parts. I had a post on my turbo thread from XBG about buying fittings from ace hardware store for my turbo oil drain line. Yes, I guess I could have bought 200$ aeroquip fittings from a hot rod shop like him, but I would rather not put 20,000$ into a 13,000$ car. It just dont make no sense to me.:thumbdown:

xnamerxx

02-20-2011, 10:03 PM

Ditto. I just dont care for people who bash others because they are not using top of the line parts. The Yaris is a cheap car and most people here will modify on a budget and be creative with parts. I had a post on my turbo thread from XBG about buying fittings from ace hardware store for my turbo oil drain line. Yes, I guess I could have bought 200$ aeroquip fittings from a hot rod shop like him, but I would rather not put 20,000$ into a 13,000$ car. It just dont make no sense to me.:thumbdown:

But those 5 dollars parts will fail because they aren't anodized and make of super secret special "Aircraft Aluminum".

Some times cheap and dirty works just as well as expensive and clean.

cali yaris

02-20-2011, 11:38 PM

I would rather not put 20,000$ into a 13,000$ car. It just dont make no sense to me.

And I would. BUT you won't find me criticizing the budget method. It's ALL good in my book.

PETERPOOP

02-21-2011, 12:09 AM

I'm definitely half way to the 20,000 mark. X(

Nexus1155

02-21-2011, 04:43 AM

But those 5 dollars parts will fail because they aren't anodized and make of super secret special "Aircraft Aluminum".

Some times cheap and dirty works just as well as expensive and clean.

Went to a fitting place to get an oil drain fitting to mate up to an oil drain flange. Went to a hot rod shop first, asked for aluminum ones, they said no and sent me to this place.

Went to the counter and asked the guy about the fitting there along with hose. He just looks at me and was like THERE IS NO REASON TO USE THOSE ALUMINUM FITTINGS ON CARS. Tosses me a steel one makes the line discounted me and has worked flawless. $8 later instead of.... maybe $50 ???

pimp my yaris

02-21-2011, 05:09 PM

I have a friend that once worked at a local machine shop on a CNC machine and they produced some aeroquip fittings. He was bragging that they were used on the space shuttle. Then I asked him if that was the reason it kept blowing up in a ball of fire!

Tamago

02-24-2011, 07:45 AM

Carter05xb

03-08-2011, 08:34 PM

I've seen this dude over at Scikotics. WOW, what away to end.

Shifty Eyes

03-26-2011, 10:43 AM

jambo101

03-26-2011, 05:42 PM

it took a bit to read, but this is one of the best builds i've seen. I do not belive there has been anything left undone. Very clean. Would enjoy to talk to this guy or someone who has any knowledge of this motor.

If the OP has been banned i guess thats the end of the story here..
Curious as to why he got banned:confused:

PETERPOOP

03-26-2011, 06:29 PM

People like him get banned right away these days. But tamango has been somehow avoiding it for years. Strange system.

Shifty Eyes

03-26-2011, 07:31 PM

Thats too bad. after going back looks as if alot of it was provoked. The sites over here are not so thin skinned. You can say what you want. It's like a radio station you don't have to listen just change the channel if you dont like what you hear. None the less this ride is was cool. Any idea if he belongs to another forum?

Bluevitz-rs

03-26-2011, 07:36 PM

^ I've seen him on scionlife.com

xnamerxx

03-26-2011, 08:12 PM

Its not about being thin skinned. He was spewing garbage and giving no tech to people who asked for it. He couldn't take any criticism about his ride at all and would lash out at anyone who did.
If I was looking for info on a 1nz-fe and all I came across was a guy who has a cool ride but is unwilling to answer any questions thats not helping me do what I need to do. This is a forum not a blog.

Shifty Eyes

03-26-2011, 08:58 PM

Thanks Blue-Vitz, found him. Also Pterpoop You seem cool too. Xnamerx you seem disgruntled. Perhaps you just came off wrong to him. either way, it's just a forum..you can choose to not respond to someone or just move on.

I posted some pics about a week ago in the photo section if you all care to look.

Also looking at his posts at Scionlife, he seems very helpful and well established. I'll try my luck

johnny_vitz

03-26-2011, 10:40 PM

I think he was on clubxb.com too ...
He's got a site, found a link on scionlife
http://www.extremescionxb.com/

Shifty Eyes

03-27-2011, 11:42 AM

Went to his site, lots of info. Thanks

That is one cool intake manifold he has with that 70mm throttle body and direct nitrous. Never seen a nitrous kit that had progressive control. Anybody here ever use that system. NX semems to be popular in the states. Courious how he has all this working so well.

fnkngrv

06-15-2011, 01:46 PM

I spoke with Aras many times on the phone. He always seemed to be willing to talk. I stopped following his thread and progress however when after he had issues with his Gude head he backed out of selling me his other head. The way he handled it was not courteous in my mind. He didn't relate information about the situation until investments were made and then attempted to sell me the Gude head that wasn't built right to me at a "cheaper" price, but it would required substantial investment to fix. This right here was the icing on the cake for me unfortunately.