STF posts

[xnamerxx]

I can do a sat, but the tues night ones are difficult for me since I get off work so late:frown:

Air temps were mid 70s for the toyos and 80 or so for the dunlops. This sight was asphalt with track temps in the 80s for the toyos ad 90s for the dunlops.

[NJ Drive]

I can do a sat, but the tues night ones are difficult for me since I get off work so late:frown:

Air temps were mid 70s for the toyos and 80 or so for the dunlops. This sight was asphalt with track temps in the 80s for the toyos ad 90s for the dunlops.

Thanks Namer, great info and data. Our first test 'n tune is March 10 on a runway site but the rest are at the Meadowlands, which is smooth, perfect asphalt.

[racerb]

NJ Drive, I'm with you on this one, most tires I have run need a heat cycle and a shelf time before all out running/racing. I've only experimented with R-Compound tires for the most part, Yokos, Toyos, and Kumhos, but all needed a heat cycle and then about 24-48 hours down time before racing on them. Tires would also last much longer this way too! Not quite sure what to think of the current crop of 140+ tread wear rated Street and Touring tires, but I'm looking to go a slightly different direction than most around here. I'm more than likely going to run Federal 595RS-Rs in the 195/50/15 size, due to our much shorter/ tighter coarses, where gear plays the biggest part.

http://www.performanceplustire.com/tires-for-sale/federal-tires/595-rs-racing?tireSize=195_SLASH_50-15

racerb :iono:

[justjesus]

i LOVE my RSRs. I haven't run them during competition in autoX, but have at Adams (go-kart track) and have posted decent times with those.

What I like about them more than anything? The price.

[racerb]

i LOVE my RSRs. I haven't run them during competition in autoX, but have at Adams (go-kart track) and have posted decent times with those.

What I like about them more than anything? The price.

You got that right!!

[ilikerice]

Yea, I enjoyed my RSR alot too. Still debating if I should get new ones or try a different tire

[NJ Drive]

Has anyone weighed their car in STF trim yet?

[racerb]

Has anyone weighed their car in STF trim yet?

Mine is still very stock, so in other words heavy! My plan is to kinda go with the Andy Hollis weight lose plan, replace driver's seat, lighter exhaust, >13 pound wheels, and hopefully lighter suspension. But hey with every pound making a difference, 50-100 pounds can be huge, so shouting for at least 100 lbs. removed.

racerb :iono:

[xnamerxx]

Yep, I was at 2160 at nationals. I still have the stock seats to replace and go lighter on the battery.

[NJ Drive]

Yeah. I figured three door 2nd gens are going to be 80 to 100 lbs lighter than me on average.

[kou]

How do I get in on some of this autocross?

[justjesus]

^

Follow this link http://www.nediv.com/ and look into the "solo" part.

There's also a cool video about "autoX" here:
http://www.solo2.com/

You might also find that video in YouTube if you search "Sea of Cones"

NJ Drive might be able to assist you further in your particular region. :)

[NJ Drive]

How do I get in on some of this autocross?

Since you're in NJ...

www.autox4u.com

There are plenty of events at the Meadowlands in East Rutherford run by no less than three different clubs- NNJR SCCA, MSNE, NNJR PCA.

I still think one of the best online tutorials is had by the Rocky Mountain Region SCCA here: http://www.rmsolo.org/rmsoloschool/index.html

If you're in South Jersey, there is also SJR SCCA as well as Philly SCCA just across the river.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Yeah. I figured three door 2nd gens are going to be 80 to 100 lbs lighter than me on average.

Our 3-door 2012 was 2269lbs bone stock: with steel wheels, floor mats, spare tire, all of it.

In race trim our 2012 was 100lbs heavier than my 2007, but the 2012 did not have the carbon rear hatch, hood, still had door bars and a complete dash. If anything I think the newer car could be a touch lighter than the older ones.

Now if you have a 5-door you could be a bit heavier due to the difference in glass and extra bits in the doors.

[NJ Drive]

Our 3-door 2012 was 2269lbs bone stock: with steel wheels, floor mats, spare tire, all of it.

In race trim our 2012 was 100lbs heavier than my 2007, but the 2012 did not have the carbon rear hatch, hood, still had door bars and a complete dash. If anything I think the newer car could be a touch lighter than the older ones.

Now if you have a 5-door you could be a bit heavier due to the difference in glass and extra bits in the doors.

Interesting Jason, thanks for that info. I agree with the 5dr weighing more. Mine weighed in new at 2340 with the UR 23mm(+13lbs), Star Specs(+12lbs more than stock), stock alloys(+8lbs total more than 15" steelies). This was with no spare tire, no mats, but a couple gallons less than full.

[racerb]

In our area theres the local SCCA group, then theres the Tarheel Sports Car Club, and if that ain't enough, we've got Triad Sports Car Club putting on events. Only issue we have right now is that the SCCA group has yet to release a 2013 event schedule, getting nervous that there might not be any events.

http://www.ncrscca.com/

http://www.auto-x.com/

http://www.thscc.com/

racerb :burnrubber:

[why?]

In our area theres the local SCCA group, then theres the Tarheel Sports Car Club, and if that ain't enough, we've got Triad Sports Car Club putting on events. Only issue we have right now is that the SCCA group has yet to release a 2013 event schedule, getting nervous that there might not be any events.

http://www.ncrscca.com/

http://www.auto-x.com/

http://www.thscc.com/

racerb :burnrubber:

gah, so awesome. i'd have to drive 2 and a half hours to get to the nearest autocross.

[racerb]

Well to be ohnest the Triad events are about 3 hours away,but I have Family in that area to stay with. Right now I'm working on an Auto-X Trailer to make these trips easier, just hate loading and un-loading from the hatch!

http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Toyota/Yaris/2010/24819.html?vehicleid=2010203616

http://www.harborfreight.com/870-lb-capacity-40-inch-x-49-inch-heavy-duty-utility-trailer-with-8-inch-wheels-and-tires-42708.html

Already have one of these storage lockers to go on the trailer as soon as I've got it...
http://www.sterilite.com/SelectProduct.html?id=436&ProductCategory=182&section=6

racerb :cool:

[NJ Drive]

What's the consensus on hub spacers in Street Touring, legal or not legal? I'm not seeing an allowance for them but would like a second opinion.

[racerb]

Seems to be a gray area that is kinda open to inperpretation of the rules, I'm pretty sure I've seen some cars with them, just never looked that closely. Autocross rules like Showroom Stock rules, leave alot of items that state if it doesn't say you can do it, it's not legal. It's a great question, I'd like to know the answer to also.

racerb :iono:

[ilikerice]

Here some runs from sunday's event. First of the season.
friend let me borrow his Hero3. Finally got some video. I was running Azenis 615k with less than 2/32 tread on them. pretty bald honestly and it was 50 degrees and windy.. Came in 5th overall pax out of about 60

in order from run 2-6. Forgot to turn the camera on the first run.. derp

Got sideways in the lane changes.. I blame the cold tires.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiDU7pOruio

Got sideways again in the circle but was saved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGr8M42jh_4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIGPvk8T404

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTHUgh11WYs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5y8hzwA6CU

[xnamerxx]

Looks like STF just made a class at the SD tour :w00t:

[racerb]

Thats cool, are you signed up to run??

racerb :clap:

[xnamerxx]

Yep, lucky number 96 ;)

Its actually a pretty diverse group of cars, and having not seen any other competition, aside from the Mazda 3 that likes to beat up on me :tongue:, its pretty refreshing.

Here's the entry list so far

8 Colgett, Tyler 2008 Honda Fit
39 Bucknell, Daniel 2007 Toyota Corolla S
135 Coe, Steve 2005 Mazda 3
196 Beyer, Bobby 2008 Toyota Yaris
6 Johnston, Kim 2004 Mini Cooper Good Doggy Phoenix, AZ

[justjesus]

hmmm. tempting.

i've always wanted to race against a Fit !! (For the last 4 years).

Do you have an avail seat? (well, depending on how well I do on Sunday!)

[xnamerxx]

I've got a seat available if you'd like. Just make sure to sign up for all available contingencies which I think is pretty much Toyo.

http://www.scca.com/solo/content.cfm?cid=44518
(http://www.scca.com/solo/content.cfm?cid=44518)

[justjesus]

cool :)

I think I like the Kumho deal the best. TRD doesn't recognize STF on the Pro Solo circuit. That's sad.

[xnamerxx]

LOL, make sure you bring your Kuhmos than :bellyroll:

STF isn't technically a class in Prosolo its called S3 or something like that, but the contingency is still there.

[justjesus]

LOL, ok wise guy.

If Lt Noogie wasn't MIA, we could borrow his!

[NJ Drive]

Need to raise the front, lower the rear. Sure looks pretty.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8538392834_a28b169849_b.jpg

[xnamerxx]

Nice, what did you end up doing for springs and shocks?

[NJ Drive]

Nice, what did you end up doing for springs and shocks?

Still on Tokico HTS but with custom springs and Cusco tops.

[racerb]

Very nice!!

racerb :drool:

[xnamerxx]

what spring rates did you end up going with? if you don't want to tell everyone you can pm me, i won't tell.

[NJ Drive]

380f/330r.
Not optimal, but it's all I have to work with right now.

[xnamerxx]

Out of curiosity why did you bias the springs frontward?

[NJ Drive]

Out of curiosity why did you bias the springs frontward?

I was intending on losing the front sway bar.

[xnamerxx]

Ahh, makes sense.

Let me know how that works out for you, I never liked the way the car felt, running no front bar, so I decided not to pursue it.

[justjesus]

Still on Tokico HTS but with custom springs and Cusco tops.

tops? as in the front upper strut mounts?

[NJ Drive]

tops? as in the front upper strut mounts?

Yes.

[xnamerxx]

I just read your blog and I'm liking the custom bushing you've made for the engine/transmission. How bad if the vibration in the car? With my shore 60a poly tranny mount the vibration is pretty awful when the AC is on.

Also how are you liking the Cusco uppers, I've been on the fence about buying them but I'm having a hard time in deciding if they're actually worth the money or not.

[NJ Drive]

I just read your blog and I'm liking the custom bushing you've made for the engine/transmission. How bad if the vibration in the car? With my shore 60a poly tranny mount the vibration is pretty awful when the AC is on.

Also how are you liking the Cusco uppers, I've been on the fence about buying them but I'm having a hard time in deciding if they're actually worth the money or not.

Thanks!

Since I did all the mounts at the same time, I cannot comment on individual NVH issues. With all three done though(including an all-steel custom passenger mount), it is horrendous, lol. I've had 95A mounts in my STR S2000 CR and these are 5x worse.

In retrospect, I would have just done the lower pitch mount and call it a day, but there are side benefits to locking everything down.

First is the braking... it just stops way better while in gear. Secondly, the front end just seems to respond to harsh steering inputs better. Lastly, wheel hop has been reduced but still present. I plan on removing the pitch mount again to also replace the front bushing with Delrin.

I've only driven a couple days with the Cusco tops and haven't really been aggressive enough to offer a performance opinion. I'll tell you that they're worth the money just to be able to change shocks out in five minutes and springs in ten!

I would like to get the control arm bushings in tomorrow to see if that kills the wheel hop for good.

[xnamerxx]

Hmm guess the Cuscos on the short list after I get my new springs in.

Also on another note with your custom springs, do you still have spring travel in full droop are are you holding the springs in place with zip ties or something like that? If its the zip tie solution, I found a way a better way to handle it by using steel rope and steel tabs bolted to the frame rails. There is a open bolt hole on the frame that uses an M10x1 bolt that was almost directly in line with the second hole for the RSB. Its not the best way to deal with it but it works without having to get the shocks shortened.

[NJ Drive]

Hmm guess the Cuscos on the short list after I get my new springs in.

I found a way a better way to handle it by using steel rope and steel tabs bolted to the frame rails.

Brilliant minds think alike- I was considering doing this very thing. Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup:

[NJ Drive]

For curiosity's sake, here is a cutaway of my stock front sway bar.
5.5mm wall thickness, 24.5mm diameter.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8525/8564862067_6a06d2e1e2_b.jpg

[xnamerxx]

So the front bar is hollow after all I'm guessing.

[CrankyOldMan]

So the front bar is hollow after all I'm guessing.

For torsion, the center of the bar contributes very little to the effective stiffness. Hollowing out the bar results in more weight savings than lost torsion.

[xnamerxx]

So after my terrible defeat at the hands of a Mini this weekend, I decided to follow their lead and adjust the toe on the rear of the car just to see what happens.

Well holy cow what a difference low speed turn in is so much better, but man it sucks to drive on the street so twitchy.

[ilikerice]

how much toe did you do?

[xnamerxx]

0 or as close to it as I could get.

I used 2 .05" washers and grinded down one side to be flat.

I test drove the car some more, and it really requires quite a bit less steering input to turn.

[ilikerice]

Interesting..

[xnamerxx]

For anyone who was wondering Rival vs Toyo in width.
And you can see my severely overheated Toyos in the picture.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/392651_474096325994649_125914079_n.jpg

[Jason@SportsCar]

You are not getting very even tire wear.


For anyone who was wondering Rival vs Toyo in width.
And you can see my severely overheated Toyos in the picture.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/392651_474096325994649_125914079_n.jpg

[xnamerxx]

Yep, really really bad shoulder wear...even with -3.5 camber. I do think most of it is from me over driving the car though.

I talked to Andy Hollis about that at Nationals last year, since the same thing was happening to him. I don't think I could ever get enough static camber to make these tires work to the fullest.

[racerb]

Thats the one issue I always had with Solo, no real time to dial in camber, toe, tire temps, and pressures. The only Toyos I've ever ran are the RA-1s on road race cars, as for auto-x it's been BFG Comp T/As, Bridgestone RE-11s, Yokohama A001Rs and Falken Azenis 215s. I know kinda shows how long ago I ran alot, but judging by what I've seen lately the new Rival looks very strong! If you can get advice from Andy Hollis, take it as gospel, he and his wife Ann were already top competitors in '84 when I ran at the Solo II Nationals in Salina Kansas. One thing I have learned through lots of trial and error is to slow down and go faster, best way is to slow your hands down while limiting your steering inputs. Good luck with your car, I'll be working on the STF set-up on my Yaris this season as well.

racerb

[xnamerxx]

So to add onto the rear toe change, I'm not sure if I'm crazy or not but I'm having a much more difficult time to induce inside spin.
It seems that having less steering input also helps in reducing inside spin which makes sense but I didn't expect this drastic of a change, on my test route I found I was able to get on the gas way way sooner than I normally would while still being able to keep the car pointed where I wanted too.

Not sure if this will pan out during a race but it certainly was surprising, in a good way, driving around.

[xnamerxx]

Well found a problem with my car I wasn't anticipating, while checking my compression travel I realized I have a little less than 2" of compression travel...not good. Not sure how I'm going to fix this one.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Well found a problem with my car I wasn't anticipating, while checking my compression travel I realized I have a little less than 2" of compression travel...not good. Not sure how I'm going to fix this one.

I have about 1.5" before I hit the front bumpstops. How are your fronts built? We cut the ears off the tubes and moved them up to get an extra .5" when they were first built. You can always go up on spring rate.

[xnamerxx]

The ears are welded on I believe but I'd have to double check. I've got roughly an inch or so of compression travel before I hit bump stop travel and another inch or so of bump stop travel.

I just put my stiffer springs on but I'm guessing I might need to go even stiffer to get around this problem with my current struts. I'm thinking of just grabbing a set of Koni race inserts and modifying my kyb struts or just picking up a set of tubes from some random company. I'll talk to Bilstein tomorrow to see if they can shorten the shock body, but guessing from the response I got last time I don't think its going to be something they'll do.

[Jason@SportsCar]

The ears are welded on I believe but I'd have to double check. I've got roughly an inch or so of compression travel before I hit bump stop travel and another inch or so of bump stop travel.

I just put my stiffer springs on but I'm guessing I might need to go even stiffer to get around this problem with my current struts. I'm thinking of just grabbing a set of Koni race inserts and modifying my kyb struts or just picking up a set of tubes from some random company. I'll talk to Bilstein tomorrow to see if they can shorten the shock body, but guessing from the response I got last time I don't think its going to be something they'll do.

Are your fronts inverted?

[xnamerxx]

Yeah the fronts are inverted.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Yeah the fronts are inverted.

Should be easy to cut the tabs off and install a new set further up - assuming you are not to close to the axle already.

[xnamerxx]

Well I found part of the problem, it appears I have 2 giant bump stops inside the housing so I can probably axe one and be safe. That should net me close to an inch.

[CrankyOldMan]

How did you discover the problem? I just went back to stock bump stops on my Tokico blues/Tien S-techs after running last summer with a 2" chop. I'm concerned about "riding" the stops, but not sure how I would find out.

[xnamerxx]

I was measuring how much travel I had along with bumpsteer and camber gain/loss.

So basically I yanked the spring off and cycled the suspension and took measurements of everything. If you have some free time and can remove your spring its pretty easy to do, since I have coilovers its really easy for me to do.

I'm sitting at about a 2" drop give or take maybe a little less.

[justjesus]

DAMN. Fancy guy!

I'm going to get coilovers just so you can come over and do that on my car :)

[xnamerxx]

DAMN. Fancy guy!

I'm going to get coilovers just so you can come over and do that on my car :)

Its almost as easy to do with lowering springs, since the tophat doesn't normally require pre tensioning.

I had last years STC champ take a trip in my car today and got tips on getting my car setup. So now its off to find very stiff springs 600lb+ and remove my FSB.

Here is a video of the practice course, really fun course but with the decreasing radius sweepers I was having a hard time.

Also managed to Max out the amount of camber I can get somewhere in the 4+ degree range knuckle is hitting the strut body so can't go any further. First time my tires ever wore evenly though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqJX7M-kQyI&feature=youtu.be

[ilikerice]

new tires arrived for the season. Mounted and Balanced.

Gotta break them in this week before autocross next sunday

[racerb]

How did you discover the problem? I just went back to stock bump stops on my Tokico blues/Tien S-techs after running last summer with a 2" chop. I'm concerned about "riding" the stops, but not sure how I would find out.

The easiest way to check travel on your suspension is an old circle track trick that we used to do with our road race Nissan. All you need is a ziptie that you place just above the bump stop around the strut/shock piston shaft, take it out run it and see where the ziptie ends up. Then just measure the distance between bump stop and ziptie and there you have it shock travel.

Riding on the bump stops is not bad thing, it save the internals of your strut/shocks, shorter housings with shorter inserts will be the next item of choice.

racerb :thumbsup:

[racerb]

Its almost as easy to do with lowering springs, since the tophat doesn't normally require pre tensioning.

I had last years STC champ take a trip in my car today and got tips on getting my car setup. So now its off to find very stiff springs 600lb+ and remove my FSB.

Here is a video of the practice course, really fun course but with the decreasing radius sweepers I was having a hard time.

Also managed to Max out the amount of camber I can get somewhere in the 4+ degree range knuckle is hitting the strut body so can't go any further. First time my tires ever wore evenly though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqJX7M-kQyI&feature=youtu.be

Check with these folks, I've run their springs for years and you can get them at almost any Hot Rod/Circle Track dealer in the US and Canada.http://www.bluecoilspring.com/
I alway bought mine from Hank Thomas Speed Parts in Wimston-Salem NC.... http://www.hankthomasperformance.com/

racerb :clap:

[xnamerxx]

Well today was champ day, car was better today, but def needs the front end worked out. There was another Yaris today, and he looked really good out there. I was honestly shocked at how composed and flat the car was, given the lighter springs he was running.
The secondary driver would have given me a run for my money too but I was running in another class to avoid that beatdown. I think that car how its setup now with better tires would be a hard car to beat.
The only solice I can take is I beat the reigning STU national Champ :thumbup:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/478778_484140081656940_565025693_o.jpg

[CrankyOldMan]

Congrats! Looks like all of your hard work is paying off. Do you by chance know what setup the other Yaris had?

[xnamerxx]

From the brief conversations I had with him, he was running fortune coilovers with 4kf/6kr, 23mm Ultra Racing swaybar, he was using the upper bolt hole on the rear torsion beam, and federal 595 rsr tires.
It definitely look really good out there.

[CrankyOldMan]

...he was running fortune coilovers with 4kf/6kr, 23mm Ultra Racing swaybar, he was using the upper bolt hole on the rear torsion beam, and federal 595 rsr tires.

Yikes. I think I'm running slinkies and pogo sticks in comparison. =P

[xnamerxx]

His car was flatter than mine with 400f/400r, TRD rear bar, and Dunlop Z2 tires. I was more consistent with my times but at the end of the day the co-driver had the faster clean time.

[NJ Drive]

Great job! Tristan is an excellent driver. Were conditions consistent throughout the day?

[xnamerxx]

Tristan ran 2 groups before me at around 11:30 give or take. It was around 85-90 degrees with mild wind but temps were def hotter during my group.

Its a big slick asphault surface, so I probably had the edge tire wise running the z2s where as he was running the Rivals.

[racerb]

From the brief conversations I had with him, he was running fortune coilovers with 4kf/6kr, 23mm Ultra Racing swaybar, he was using the upper bolt hole on the rear torsion beam, and federal 595 rsr tires.
It definitely look really good out there.

Good to hear someone is running the Federals, that is one of the tires on my short list of STF tires, mostly due to cost!!

racerb :w00t:

[why?]

where did these fortune coilovers come from. Never heard of them, yet I've seen them mentioned a few times on yw today.

[xnamerxx]

Couldn't tell ya, I've never heard of them either, but here is their website.
http://www.fortune-auto.com/
(http://www.fortune-auto.com/)

[CrankyOldMan]

So I just ran my first event on Rivals, and I've got mixed feelings about them. Compared to the DZ101's I ran last year, they are a big improvement in grip, but I've lost all sense of hitting cones. So much so that I only had 2 clean runs of 6, but was only aware of a single cone that went bouncing through my rear-view mirror. One run was a +5!

That said, I'll wait to see how I do tomorrow and next weekend before passing judgement.

[xnamerxx]

Thats somewhat to be expected.

First off you're learning a new tire which has much higher limited than your old tire, if your car has stockish suspension the car will lean more making inputs delay, and the Rival is a pretty vague tire as it is.

As I like to believe, its better to learn on a crappy tire that doesn't let you make mistakes vs a good tire that does. When I switched to the R1R's I had a really hard time getting used to them, they had so much more grip and let me get away with so much I couldn't tell when I was making mistakes and overdriving the tires.

[CrankyOldMan]

I'm on Tokico blues and Tien S-techs, with a TRD rear sway bar, so I would call it stock+. I was actually pretty worried about fender rub, but didn't experience any. The cars that I was close to last season all upgraded their tires too, and put a real hurt on me.

[xnamerxx]

Finished this weekends autoX and I got my azz handed to me. Part of that is me being unfamiliar with the new setup, part of it was the very difficult to drive course, but most of it is the amazing talent of the drivers in the other Yaris.
I feel if I could have figured out how to drive the car, i'd have seen an additional few seconds drop off my time but that'll come with time. I do know I was having a really hard time getting heat into my tires which has never happened to me before.

Here is my fast run of the weekend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kItBgm8kuJs



I do feel with the new RSB the car is faster, and my data is pretty telling about it as well but I have no clue on how to drive the car anymore :(

[justjesus]

sounds like you need more seat time.

the charity event being put on by Jay will help in that department. AND NO WORK.

just runs after runs after runs. look for the thread in this section of the forum.

[xnamerxx]

So I stuck a gopro under the front of my car just to see what's happening. Well here is a screen grab. I don't think adding negative camber is gonna fix this issue.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/964937_497381920332756_817454975_o.jpg

[ilikerice]

love it when you get 1 up.. Tripod all day!

[xnamerxx]

It brings a big smile to my face everytime I see it :biggrin:

[racerb]

Back in my Showroom Stock road racing days, the VW Rabbits would tripod so high I could nearly drive my CRX right under them in the corners! I'm not joking these things would get 1-2 feet off the ground and it would be down-right scary to watch....

racerb :eek:

[xnamerxx]

Some video of the charity AutoX rear was softened up so I could avoid terminal understeer.

Kinda surprised how much things move around even with my fairly stiff springs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru4T6jT65yI&feature=youtu.be

[7:34pm]

So I stuck a gopro under the front of my car just to see what's happening. Well here is a screen grab. I don't think adding negative camber is gonna fix this issue.


Do you have a RSB?

[xnamerxx]

:biggrin: yes I do.

[7:34pm]

Ever tried taking it off?

Not sure about the geometry of the Yaris but I've seen it work to fix corner in lift.

[xnamerxx]

Corner lift isn't the issue. My joke about the picture was that my front wheel was almost going positive and I was getting shoulder wear due to tire deflection.

[ilikerice]

tire deflection is no laughing matter....

[xnamerxx]

I wish I could like that comment. LOL


To add a data point. Yesterdays Autox was a 35 second course. The fast cars there were 2 national level STR cars one with 33.5 and the other with 33.7. The only national STC car there managed a 35.5 but its been setup for another driver.

After 30 some odd runs I was able to get my times down to 36.0 with Jason@sportcar driving my car he was able to get a 35.7 after 5 or so runs. All of those on BFG Rivals. So end of the day nearing I decided to put my Z2s on and run a couple of runs. First run with no idea what pressure and tires semi cold I can a 35.8, times stayed about the for the next 3 runs. No change to suspension or anything just swapping tires.

I don't know what to think but for whatever reason the Z2s are faster on asphalt over the rivals but the Rivals are faster on concrete.

[racerb]

Got my new STF tires today, now just to get them mounted up. Also placed my order for the Tokico Blues and crash bolts, will pick up my TRD springs next week from Sparks. Going in the morning to National Speed to get my Stop Tech brake lines, already have my Hawk HPS pads and ATE Super Blue fluid. Next week will be fun putting everything together and heading to the alignment shop for some tweeking.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/racerb/media/My%20New%20Blazing%20Blue%20Yaris/Auto-XSet-UpForYaris002_zps0f3cde4a.jpg.html

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/racerb/media/My%20New%20Blazing%20Blue%20Yaris/Auto-XSet-UpForYaris005_zps8964e0f9.jpg.html?sort=2&o=27


racerb :thumbsup:

[racerb]

Brake lines and TRD springs on their way, hopefully all the parts will arrive in time for next weekends Auto-X. The Micro-Image parts will be coming from the farthest point, so hope they don't get delayed in shipping!

racerb :burnrubber:

[justjesus]

sounds like a fun project!

I'm making a list of things that I will potentially buy (likely all of it from Micro Image).
Hopefully be done by the end of August

[ilikerice]

I need an OEM hood to stay in stf..

[justjesus]

some dude locally (CA) is selling one for about 130. has some damage by the headlight area.

[ilikerice]

hmm... what would be the shipping to GA? 31419? I don't wanna spend over 150 including shipping.

[justjesus]

hmm... what would be the shipping to GA? 31419? I don't wanna spend over 150 including shipping.

here's the link.
link to hood (http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/3915722017.html)

[cali yaris]

racerb, we emailed you yesterday about the strut brace. (if that's your order). please reply if you haven't already.

[racerb]

cali yaris, yeah after I spoke with you on the phone, the Wife and I left for Edisto Beach SC for a wedding. Just returned home, so yes I got your message and understand the UR bar is out of stock.

Thanks, just let me know when you have more in stock, I'll get one from you.

racerb :burnrubber:

[xnamerxx]

Just finished my first Autox in almost 2 months with my new front springs. Car worked surprisingly well and I was about 1-2 seconds off STR/STX and half a second give or take off of STC. Car seems to be working but I kinda forgot what to do.

But this course was pretty hard to read and one of the slowest courses I've ever driven. My average speed was a little less than 29 mph.

Ended up getting top time in class by over a second, but didn't manage any clean runs so didn't actually win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGfoAdtPC_4&feature=youtu.be

[justjesus]

getting better!

[xnamerxx]

So another AutoX this weekend, I think I have the car just about dialed into how I like it, I could probably use some better shock valving but overall the car is working fantastic I couldn't ask for anything more...aside from power and gearing :).

Jesus you missed out on a really challenging and fun course this weekend, hope to see you at the next event.

Video of the course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10NarNMzn7Q

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1075574_524473674290247_2110571480_o.jpg

[racerb]

Wow, car looks good, I just need a bigger screen to look at it!! I feel your pain on power and gearing, but I'm still way behind on suspension and several other needed power mods.

racerb :w00t:

[xnamerxx]

Thanks, my car has plenty of power, and when I figure out how to get the Camcom working will have more than I can put down. I'm not happy with the gearing of the but on the course below would have hurt me in a few sections.

My car is far faster than I'm capable of driving at this point, but I'm really quite happy with the way its setup. Going over my video and data I know I could have shaved several seconds off my time by braking later or slowing down more in a few second but I was happy with the result either way.

Let my car to someone else who was having a brake problem on his last run, who normally drives a stock Mini Cooper S, and pulling back into grid you could see the giant smile on his face from how well the car handled.

[racerb]

Yea gearing was my problem yesterday, I did drive the first third of our course in first gear, then used second to the finish. If it hadn't been for left foot breaking, I would never have been able to maintain momentum through several sections of a tricky course layout!! Hoping to have pictures soon, didn't take any myself, just relied on others.

racerb :iono:

[justjesus]

^that's a long time in 1st gear !

Namer, yeah I hear you. I really need to start waking up earlier!

I think I'll be going to SpeedVentures autoX in Sept to get my seat time.

[racerb]

Yeah I wasn't going to stretch first that far. But after working the course for all of Group 1s runs and seeing 2/3s of the Driver doing it, I said what the heck! It actually worked and made for less shifting.....

racerb

[justjesus]

i always said (not really) if it works, then it works :)

[ilikerice]

Haven't posted here in a while. But just had an event last sunday and the results have been posted. Out of 80 drivers 7th overall PAX, 6th overall RAW. No big deal you say...

I had to run SMF class because I still couldn't get an oem hood in time. I could have ran TSMF but some peer pressure from a honda fit and EG civic hatch convinced me to run in their class for fun. This Fit usually runs STF but he got new Rcomp tires and is running SMF now. The EG has a B18C5 Swap and well prepped. Great guys, I enjoy hanging out with them.

SO, with that said, I think SMF is looking good for me when I finally go turbo and get some good Rcomp tires.

http://www.buccaneerregion.com/ce-6-13.html

[xnamerxx]

Derrick we had a guy from the Buccaneer region show up at our last SD race, guy was pretty quick, I think his name was Brian Wright.

[racerb]

Signed up to run this weekend with SCCA at Cape Fear Community College again. I've made a few more changes to the car since last event, namely Tokico HPs and TRD springs, can't wait to see the difference. Had planned other changes, but I'm holding off on making wholesale changes, and doing a few things between each Event. Here is the Event link from SCCA North Carolina Region.....

http://www.ncrscca.com/events/2013/09/ncr-scca-solo-cfacs-points-event-6-seadevils-blackwater

And Entry list so far...

http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.status/uidEvent/6E4737C0-CF8C-9503-3E7ABAA711293062#.Uh90AD3D-1s

racerb :biggrin:

[justjesus]

^ let us know how you like that set up.

[racerb]

Had a great day finishing second, but way off the first place Mazda2. One issue could possibly be lack of proper alignment settings, my usual Shop was unable to get me in, machine was down. So I ran the car after just eyeballing and tape measuring a few things at home. I strongly believe my last run of the day would have been my best, but dumbass me found brake pedal not clutch heading into the last sweeper!

I'll post up some results and pictures from this event later. On a side not, we had a pretty big downpour right after the lunch break, and everyone had issues with their afternoon runs. Still don't know what to think of the Mazda2 and where it gets it's speed.

http://www.ncrscca.com/sites/default/files/results/solo/2013/06_sea_devils_blackwater_fin.htm

racerb

[ilikerice]

Derrick we had a guy from the Buccaneer region show up at our last SD race, guy was pretty quick, I think his name was Brian Wright.

Hmm.. name sounds familiar but I don't see a brian wright. Haven't seen his name pop up in the last few events. What was he driving and what class?

[xnamerxx]

He and his wife were running RTA in a WRX, from the brief convo I had with him, he got stationed here a few months ago.

[BondXII]

Saw this thread and figured I'd post a few videos of the "Bumble Rumble" in action. After the end of the year, we will be leaving STF (Like Derrick) to go SMF (R-Comps, Turbo, Aero, etc.) Should be a hell of a 2014 season for SMF. :-) Between the couple Civis, the Fit, and now two Yaris (or Yarises, or Yari), should be interesting. :thumbup:

Axis vs Allies last year
http://youtu.be/qcE_iBUihbA

First Event for 2013
http://youtu.be/hK7cG4URtZo

Event 6 for 2013
http://youtu.be/xlxZVtFhY0Y

I need to get the others online for the year. Just too many things going on.

[ilikerice]

Nice buck. I am actually still searching for a hood still. Will probably stay in STF as soon as I find and OEM hood. Thinking about another project for boost actually. I don't wanna mess with these crazy ass ECU's for tuning. Really expensive for something that I can do with a mid 90s for half the price. WE will see. Good luck Buck

[racerb]

Did anyone ever test out a larger front swaybar on their STF class Yaris? I know it was discussed, but never heard anyone say if they had actually installed one and tested it. I'm leaning toward adding this as one of my next STF mods, but wanted input before spending the cash!

racerb :iono:

[ilikerice]

personally, I don't see any reason to stiffin up the front any more than it already is. I have been searching for the smaller sway bar with a different color spray dot to swap with.

[racerb]

personally, I don't see any reason to stiffin up the front any more than it already is. I have been searching for the smaller sway bar with a different color spray dot to swap with.

What is your current set-up? I am still getting quite a bit of body roll and the last Toyota I built, gained more cornering force on radial race tires with more roll stiffness. So I'm just curious of what I need to do other than a bar swap?

racerb :iono:

[ilikerice]

I am using Megan coil-overs and 23mm rear sway bar. I adjust my dampening on hard on all 4 corners. I use RS-3 225/50 on 15x7 rim. I put 40psi up front and 55psi in the back to get my rear to rotate better. Basically that's it.

[cali yaris]

Did anyone ever test out a larger front swaybar on their STF class Yaris? I know it was discussed, but never heard anyone say if they had actually installed one and tested it. I'm leaning toward adding this as one of my next STF mods, but wanted input before spending the cash!

Yes. The front sway bar rocks. Does NOT cause more understeer.

[justjesus]

AutoX this weekend with speedventures!

[ilikerice]

Yes. The front sway bar rocks. Does NOT cause more understeer.

yea, probably doesn't. Adam Neylans with his honda fit runs with a front sway bar but not a rear. says it helps with his cornering. Not sure how. Driving styles I assume.

I would play with tire pressures a bit more before jumping on a front sway bar personally

[racerb]

My reason for asking is simple, I live on a long dirt road, so could not do coil-overs without trailering my car to events. So I went with a simpler and cheaper Tokico HP, TRD spring set up, so I can still drive to and from events. However this set up is proving not quit stiff enough and a larger front bar seemed the next logical step. Was hoping someone had actually run a similar set up and could give some feedback on their experience.

racerb :iono:

[ilikerice]

Ahh.. I see. Yea, I would try the front sway bar then. What tire pressure are you running front and rear?

[racerb]

I'm using the old shoe polish trick, starting high and dropping until I get a little more roll-over toward the sidewalls. Oh and I'm running Kumho XS 205/50/15s, usually starting out between 40-42 front, 38-40 rear. On Sunday I was actually down to 36 front, 32 rear by my last run and had I not screwed that run myself, was on a 29 second run. Still would have been over a second off the top STF Mazda in our Region.

racerb :iono:

[ilikerice]

interesting. When and where is the next autocross in your region? I wanna try to hit up an event soon.

On another note, Ran into a couple of people in a Top Gear panel at DragonCon from North Carolina region. I asked them what class they were running in but gave me some vague answers and didn't quite understand what they were talking about.. I wanna run into them again.

[racerb]

We have an NCAC event in Charlotte in October, not sure I'll make that one. Then the Region is back up at Cherry Point Air Station in November, trying to make this, then back here in Wilmington at CFCC November 30-December 1.
http://www.ncrscca.com/Solo

I'm also thinking of making the drive up to a few Triad events, but not sure right now, since I'll be heading to Indy in a few weeks.
http://www.auto-x.com/schedule.php

I've noticed, and maybe it's because I've been away from Auto-xing for sooo long, the people in general seem a little stranger than I remember. The whole new, read way too many, classes and structure seems to have diluted the overall feel of the events. I liked the good old days of Stock, Street Prepared, Prepared, Mod, and Ladies, that was it!

racerb

[cali yaris]

It would be a lot of fun to swap cars for some runs. And yes, suspension tuning has a lot to do with driving style.

[justjesus]

It would be a lot of fun to swap cars for some runs. And yes, suspension tuning has a lot to do with driving style.

Oct 5, with SCCA autoX, they're putting together a "Cup" race with teams. I forget the details, but like a team of 3 drivers, 3 cars, at least two of those being different drivetrain configurations.

[ilikerice]

Yea, especially with the new Road Tire class for stock cars. RA (Road tire Awd), RR (Road tire Rwd) and RF (Road tire Fwd). Its just getting crazy now

[racerb]

Yea, especially with the new Road Tire class for stock cars. RA (Road tire Awd), RR (Road tire Rwd) and RF (Road tire Fwd). Its just getting crazy now

My good friend David came out to run with us on Sunday, ran in Road Tire Rear with a base class of D Stock. It had been close to 15 years since he'd run, I thought he was going to have a stroke just trying to register on-line. I told him that was a lot of the reason I chose STF, it was just easier to settle on this class and work to become competitive.

racerb :frown:

[ilikerice]

First place in Pax again at our North vs. South shootout at Roebling Road Raceway.

Was .6 ahead of 2nd place in pax. And that was just my clean run

[ilikerice]

Results from the event

1st in pax and 7th in Raw out of 79 drivers

http://buccaneerregion.org/ce9-jax10-13.html

[MattPSC]

So, what are folks doing to fit standard 2.5" ID springs on these cars?

Looking at the H&R coilovers since they are apparently rebadged Bilsteins (which can be revalved at a reasonable cost). Anyone know the lower perch diameter?

[xnamerxx]

Lower perch is 62mm, upper perch I used a K-Sport perch which is the same dia. The rears are just about 3" so you'll really wanna pickup a setup of Megan/Tein/ksport rear adjusters if you want any sort of spring selection. I was running on 3x8 springs for quite a while but as a started going up in the spring rates and lower in the ride height adjustability just wasn't there.

Bilstein will work on them but you really have to talk with Juan before you send them in since its not quite a standard setup.

I used a Koni 2.25-2.5 adaptor and shaved the inside to fit. But I also ran on the undersized perch upfront with little issue, the rear you'll need to put a metal sleeve otherwise the spring won't sit correctly and make tons of noise.

[MattPSC]

Ah, good stuff. Missing the ability to hit an autocross or a track day on a whim like when I had my STS CRX Si, and having a fun, yet practical daily driver. Having autocrossed and raced VW's after that I'm no longer scared of twist beams and struts. :laugh:

I can't find very good descriptions of the off the shelf valving on the H&R's, or on the spring rates. Are they passable (similar to a Bilstein PSS) or merely for lowering? Could they handle more spring without revalving?

[xnamerxx]

I didn't use a real tool when I tested the spring rates and the springs are variable as well but the fronts were close to 280lbs and the rear was 200lb-250lb. Very similar to the PSS, and HR will give you next to no information about the springs.

I don't have a copy of the valving infront of me but I do at home. From what I remember the front was valved pretty well for 300lbs and the rear for about the same. With my revalve set to be really digressive and not having much lowspeed compression it handles my 500f/600r springs much like a set of adjustable turned to soft. Its going in to be revalved in a month or so to handles the higher spring rates the car is currently running. I've been talking to Bilstein to see if it would be possible to add either an adjustable shaft or a compression canister to the rear shocks, but haven't made much headway, I may end up hacking up the rear shocks and doing it myself if I can't proceed forward.

[MattPSC]

You may want to talk to Marcus Merideth. I've emailed back and forth about converting some PSS to adjustable with the new needle valve shafts Bilstein offers. Unfortunately the shafts themselves are $250 each for a single adjustable, not counting the labor...

[ilikerice]

I do just fine with my megan coilovers. The adjusting dampening they offer is great between autox and DD.

[xnamerxx]

Do you mind PM'ing me Marucs contact info.

[MattPSC]

Do you mind PM'ing me Marucs contact info.

No problem, I'll send when I get home.

[MattPSC]

http://www.margravemotorsports.com is Marcus's website.

[Jason@SportsCar]

You should chat with Bret at Yawsport.

[xnamerxx]

Talked to him today, got an answer I didn't want to hear. Basically was told to wait a bit while they work on their shock development. He also talked me out of turning them adjustable at least for now, as its a really complex project to make it work correctly. Shocks are going back to Bilstein one more time for a revalve going to suck on the street, but hopefully the car will be a bit more tolerant to forward weight transfer. Funny enough he's doing the same with with HR's on his TL that I'm doing with the Yaris.

[ilikerice]

I got a friend who used to live in Jacksonville, Florida and moved to california. He ran an autocross the other weekend. Joe Batwinis ran a miata in RTR. You may remember he lost his GoPro during one of his runs. He told me he talked to a guy that ran a yaris. Was that you xnamerxx?

He used to run his mini cooper.. He is a huge Rally fan too

[xnamerxx]

I think so, I was talking to a guy who mentioned he had a friend who ran a yaris back in Florida, didn't catch his name though. If its the guy who I was talking too he was a cool dude.

[ilikerice]

Lol, yea, that was him. Small world.

[ilikerice]

Interesting Fact:

Was looking at purchasing 2 more Hankook RS3's for my autocross rims. DD longer than I wanted. Come to find out, they dont offer 15 inch tires for the RS3's anymore.. DAMMIT.. I guess I will try out the Rivals everyone at nationals are going with..

[xnamerxx]

DO NOT buy the Rivals.

The RS3's are being updated with a new compound and will be released in a few months.

[ilikerice]

UGHAHAAHAHA.. I NEED THEM NOW!

[xnamerxx]

All I can say is I run the Rivals, and won't be buying them again unless some coil was offered.

[ilikerice]

I agree.. I just noticed those were 200 treadwear.. I am looking for more 140 treadwear. Probably going to get the Toyo R1R instead..

Who remembers the size that was golden? 195/50 or 195/55?

I can't remember is someone said that they got rid of the compound that made the 195 better than the 225... If thats the case, I may just go with 225

[xnamerxx]

195/50 is the one to get. If the weather is cold they are the best tire you can buy. If the weather is hot, I'd probably run RS whatever or Dunlops.

the 140-200 tw thing isn't really an issue, the BFG is just about as fast as the Toyo it just requires a specific setup to get there.

[ilikerice]

Sooo. Are you saying the rivals are good or bad. National guys were running rivals... my setup is definitely different than yours, not that its bad. Just different.

[xnamerxx]

I'm saying if your running a really heavy car, that has no camber gain, Rivals might be for you.

Rivals like to peel the shoulder really hard, so for my car with lots of camber and spring, I don't let the tires work, which is why they generally aren't audible when I drive. When I load the car up with 3 friends and drive it like I'm having fun, the tires scream like a killers on the loose.

[Blown_xa]

The rival seems to be the tire for heavier cars. But I'm seeing the quicker small cars running toyo r1r and rs3. I love my toyos. Rs3s are good too but they have a much more narrow temperature range that they like it seems. May not be an issue for people in warmer climates though. The rs3 flat out suck at anything below 50 degrees. The toyos stick first run

[ilikerice]

Gonna go with r1r. I love my rs3 but unavailable right now

[xnamerxx]

Good choice. After my stint with the Rivals I'm probably gonna go back to the R1R unless someone else makes something as functional with lightweight cars.

[Viperoni]

I found the R1R's wore too fast compared to RS3's or Rival's, can't comment on dry grip. I remember them being excellent in the wet though

[Blown_xa]

I found the R1R's wore too fast compared to RS3's or Rival's, can't comment on dry grip. I remember them being excellent in the wet though

They do wear quite quickly. And wet performance is amazing as long as the tread depth is decent , I agree. I think Toyo's treadware standard is differs in the case that their 140 tw rating is a softer compound than competitors 140 tw rating. Treadware rating is only good for comparing tires of the same brand really.

[1.5]

what about the direzzas?

Comparing the 225s to the 195s is there a noticeable power drain or any decreased acceleration from the extra rubber?

[xnamerxx]

The Toyos are smaller tires so they effectively gear down the car allowing for better acceleration if only a bit.
As far as grip goes, there all pretty similar, they have different handling characteristics, but generally for camber challenged cars you'll want the z2 or Rivals, as the Toyos need more a ton of camber to work to their fullest.

I also found the Toyos wore pretty badly, but didn't feel all that great when driving them, that and they seemed to have this sharp curve around 2-3/32 where grip disappeared.

[ilikerice]

went with the R1R. Picked 2 up sunday. good tip on the 2/32 wear mark. Will run the toyo's up front for a bit and the hankooks in the back. May switch it up a bit during the season.

Got 3 autocross weekends back to back. This weekend is my region, saturday a novice school and sunday will be our 2nd event of the year, March 9th weekend me and my wife are visiting friends up in Knocksville TN and will do their autocross event that sunday, and then march 15-16 is our region dixie tour in Valdosta GA. Can't wait. Glad I got the tires when I did

[ilikerice]

I'll be running in East Tennessee Region next weekend at Pellissippi State in Knockville TN.

anyone here in that area?

[xnamerxx]

A bit of irony,my first event in the rain with my rivals also is the first event I've been happy with them. New rear shocks worked wonders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PlsV0SoP_ew
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PlsV0SoP_ew)

[ilikerice]

Nice xnamerxx, Can't watch at work, will hve to wait til I get home.
Did you go with the 205 or the 225 rivals?

My first time with R1R.. They like LOW psi... dropped mine all the way down to 30psi.. and my rear was RS3 at 50psi.

These tires do not talk back.. its either amazing grip, or exceeded grip. Trying to find that breaking point which you get max grip but if you push it too hard, felt like I hit puddles of water.

A pro national guy had a light blue Mini Cooper running in STF came to run with us. Name is Joseph Austin. Real nice humble guy. He beat me by .1 of a second.. Not bad if I do say so myself. I did have riders on all 5 runs though.. so I could have gotten a better time but you never know. maybe their ballast helped me in those right hand turns.

All in all, I say I do like the R1R but I definitly prefer the RS3, I may keep 2 R1R on rims for a rainy day, I hear they are the best for rain tires.

[xnamerxx]

I originally bought 205 but had multiple tire failures and went with the 225. Not happy with them and they're just about dead now, so I'll be replacing them with something else soon. I really wanna get RS3 but I don't think that'll be an option till after nationals.

Yeah I ran the R1R at 27psi. One thing to note, if there making noise your doing something wrong.

Joe is a super fast driver when he's clean. Congrats :thumbup: on getting within a tenth of him, I've yet to get that close. Hopefully I can take him down at San Diego this year but we'll see.

[ilikerice]

http://buccaneerregion.org/ce-2-14.html

Results got posted this morning. We had 95 drivers out on sunday. new record for us. Last month we had 87. This is becoming a big year in our region. Alot of new guys showing up.

Placed 6th place out of 95 in pax. Not bad on new tires. Joseph got me by .125 of a second. His fastest run was his first. Thats impressive.

There is a debate right now weather or not Scott Hurley got a cone on his fastest lap. Some people say they saw him hit it but wasn't called in from a corner worker.

[justjesus]

A bit of irony,my first event in the rain with my rivals also is the first event I've been happy with them. New rear shocks worked wonders.

I ALMOST made it to this one! Yaris was ready to go...but my back wasn't. I'm still hurt from when I threw out my back in November. The morning session, mixed with rain didn't help either. UGH... maybe next time.

Oh, on the R1R topic, on my STC civic, they grip all the way down to the cords. Yes, I've tried it. ;)

[Jason@SportsCar]

So the question is H Stock (proper with race tires) or STF... 2014 Corolla S. :cool:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1795790_537188266394306_1019842404_n.jpg

[justjesus]

So the question is H Stock (proper with race tires) or STF... 2014 Corolla S. :cool:




STF!!

[Blown_xa]

I ALMOST made it to this one! Yaris was ready to go...but my back wasn't. I'm still hurt from when I threw out my back in November. The morning session, mixed with rain didn't help either. UGH... maybe next time.

Oh, on the R1R topic, on my STC civic, they grip all the way down to the cords. Yes, I've tried it. ;)

yep, I run mine till they cord. Anyone around here will tell you, toyos are quickest right before they cord. They don't seem to heat cycle out. They need camber, I ran -3.3 up front and they wore even. This was with 450lb springs AND larger front sway bar.

[xnamerxx]

I ran them mostly in San Deigo which is an asphalt site. I've been told by many people my experience was typical for that site and full tread tires are a must.

For the Corolla hmm HSR doesn't sound like fun, skinny R comps on skinny wheels with no camber gain. Might break a record for fewest runs before cording :laugh:

[Jason@SportsCar]

For the Corolla hmm HSR doesn't sound like fun, skinny R comps on skinny wheels with no camber gain. Might break a record for fewest runs before cording :laugh:

Skinny Rs? 225s are easy, if the fenders will take a 245 could be pinched on those wheels. Like all Toyotas it should get crash bolts, so while it main not gain any it should start with -2, which is much better than the tire shredding Mini. That is a lot of car to make go on skinny street tires.

[xnamerxx]

Does the Corolla use the typical 5.5" rim?

[Jason@SportsCar]

Does the Corolla use the typical 5.5" rim?

Appears to be a 17x7.

[xnamerxx]

Competitors are starting to roll in for the Pro and I hear the AZ folks are gonna make the trip to SD so SOPAC might have some interesting battles.

I've finally finished copying Jasons HP suspension setup, aside from shocks, and so far the car feels fantastic, even with the stiff springs up front its very complaint. Now I just need to figure out my tire situation, really want the RS3 but I don't think thats in the cards for me.

[justjesus]

cant wait to see it in action, namer

[andres3165]

Gonna go with r1r. I love my rs3 but unavailable right now

I have both 205 rivals and 195 r1r's . Rivals been a little fast.

What kind of improvement you get from the 1zz throttle body?

Andres

[xnamerxx]

I think Tooter has back to back dynos from the 1zz tb.

[andres3165]

I think Tooter has back to back dynos from the 1zz tb.

He has done a lot of research, is great. So much potential of the Yaris. Do you have the dynos of your car? (+- 150 HP)

Thanks

Andres

[xnamerxx]

I don't have any numbers that high, but Jason@sportscar probably has some of highest NA numbers out there.

The only dyno I can post is from the old motor with no tuning.

[andres3165]

I don't have any numbers that high, but Jason@sportscar probably has some of highest NA numbers out there.

The only dyno I can post is from the old motor with no tuning.


Wow I was not aware of the significant diference in the diameter of the throttle bodies yaris vs. 1zz's . gains are decent as well.. I wish I had that option for mine, although I am not sure if it is legal for STF

Andres

[Jason@SportsCar]

Wow I was not aware of the significant diference in the diameter of the throttle bodies yaris vs. 1zz's . gains are decent as well.. I wish I had that option for mine, although I am not sure if it is legal for STF

Andres

I think you might be confused... Neither xnamerxx or I are running anything other than the stock throttle body. :iono:

[andres3165]

I think you might be confused... Neither xnamerxx or I are running anything other than the stock throttle body. :iono:

I never said that but I thought ilikerice had it.

Andres

[justjesus]

I wish I had that option for mine, although I am not sure if it is legal for STF

Andres

I'm afraid it isn't.

[xnamerxx]

I see a couple of Yaris's have registered for Dixie. Should be an interesting race :thumbup:

[andres3165]

I'm afraid it isn't.

14.10 ENGINE AND DRIVETRAIN
A. Oil pans and pickups may be modified or substituted. Addition or
modification of windage trays or crankshaft scrapers is not allowed.
B. Original equipment traction control systems may be electrically disabled,
but not removed or altered in any other way.
C. The air intake system up to, but not including, the engine inlet may be
modified or replaced. The engine inlet is the throttle body, carburetor,
compressor inlet, or intake manifold, whichever comes first.


I am lost in translation.
thanks

Andres

[andres3165]

I see a couple of Yaris's have registered for Dixie. Should be an interesting race :thumbup:

Looking at all the options available for the Yaris I should have bought one a few years ago, always liked the little car,

Andres

[tacoracer]

I see a couple of Yaris's have registered for Dixie. Should be an interesting race :thumbup:

Sent you a pm.
check it out yeah?

[ilikerice]

I see a couple of Yaris's have registered for Dixie. Should be an interesting race :thumbup:

yea, Buck posts from time to time here. He has the yellow turbo yaris now.

As for my 1ZZ throttle body, I took it off after my first SMF event. It isn't worth it without additional upgrades for that class. It doen't improve much by itself. Would have to buy R comps, Manifold, and a turbo to probably gain the most out of the 1zz throttle body. I decided to stay in STF this year and when I go turbo, I plan to use a cable throttle with a standalone. IF that ever happens.

[andres3165]

yea, Buck posts from time to time here. He has the yellow turbo yaris now.

As for my 1ZZ throttle body, I took it off after my first SMF event. It isn't worth it without additional upgrades for that class. It doen't improve much by itself. Would have to buy R comps, Manifold, and a turbo to probably gain the most out of the 1zz throttle body. I decided to stay in STF this year and when I go turbo, I plan to use a cable throttle with a standalone. IF that ever happens.

See you at Dixie can't wait to see a Yaris in action:headbang: I drove my fried's supercharged in Minneapolis, it was a blast


Andres

[andres3165]

Great selection of cars in STF for Dixie !!!

http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.status/uidEvent/E5E14F1E-FD51-DF22-081A12971569F5BA#class1-4A1CD745-DCF4-FCF7-1ACE7A8526D5179D


Andres

[ilikerice]

yea man. Ft Lauderdale.. long drive.

I just got back from East Tenn Region yesterday. I did ok.. It was one crazy course.. divided into 2 sections and we only got 4 runs.. which sucked.. Was alot of DNF's. I had 2 and luckily my best run was a clean run. Was at a college and was divided into 2 sections because of the way the parking lot is set up. Was fun. but very complex. I don't know my overall PAX time but I was running with my aftermaket front and rear bumper, so Had some weight on me.

it was fun but wish I had at least 1 more run. They way it looked from the cabin was confusing.... I feel this is how it will be at regionals.. this will be my first regional event this weekend. excited

[ilikerice]

Huh.. I thought Buck and Amy were coming in thier yaris for SMF... guess not.

[andres3165]

yea man. Ft Lauderdale.. long drive.

I just got back from East Tenn Region yesterday. I did ok.. It was one crazy course.. divided into 2 sections and we only got 4 runs.. which sucked.. Was alot of DNF's. I had 2 and luckily my best run was a clean run. Was at a college and was divided into 2 sections because of the way the parking lot is set up. Was fun. but very complex. I don't know my overall PAX time but I was running with my aftermaket front and rear bumper, so Had some weight on me.

it was fun but wish I had at least 1 more run. They way it looked from the cabin was confusing.... I feel this is how it will be at regionals.. this will be my first regional event this weekend. excited

Didn't you come close to Joe Austin? He is super fast ! Great driving

Andres

[ilikerice]

yea, by .125 of a sec.

They only thing about that is, he pulled it off in his first run.. I had to do it on my 5th run... So he is fast and he can pull it of within 3 runs, which I am sure he is used to, going to a bunch of national events through out the states.

[andres3165]

Found this, kind of cool :

https://www.facebook.com/SCCASoloSTF#!/SCCASoloSTF

Andres

[andres3165]

So if I were to buy a ideal yaris to prep for STF, would the new 2014 L 3 door M/T be the best option?

If not which one?

Thanks

Andres

[ilikerice]

per numbers.. I would say yes.

its only 2 pounds lighter. 2 inches shorter. about 1 inch longer. more aero dynamic front... according to those numbers, it is better.. not by much though..

Same suspension, same motor.... If I could trade out my yaris for the new one, I would. But I have already molested mine, so its mine to keep forever

[ilikerice]

If you do go with the 3rd gen yaris, get the SE... look for rear disc instead of the drums.. not that its that much better, but it looks better, lol

[andres3165]

If you do go with the 3rd gen yaris, get the SE... look for rear disc instead of the drums.. not that its that much better, but it looks better, lol

Thanks , see you in a few days

Andres

[Jason@SportsCar]

If you do go with the 3rd gen yaris, get the SE... look for rear disc instead of the drums.. not that its that much better, but it looks better, lol

The SE also has a quicker steering ratio. :wink:

[xnamerxx]

Ideally the best car is Yaris sedan.

Its several inches shorter in height so the CG is lower and the frontal area is lower, its 2 inches longer and it weights a few lbs less. You also have the smaller front swaybar so inside spin isn't as much of a problem.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Ideally the best car is Yaris sedan.

Its several inches shorter in height so the CG is lower and the frontal area is lower, its 2 inches longer and it weights a few lbs less. You also have the smaller front swaybar so inside spin isn't as much of a problem.

Agree. One day I would love to build an H Prod sedan, just need to find a cheap donor chassis.

[xnamerxx]

Derrick, say hi to Scott for me, had some awesome battles with that guy back in CA.

[ilikerice]

Scott was cool. saturday was close battle for 4th for me and him. I blame the lack of coffee and sleep Sunday was a bit more tough, Running the couse backwards definitely favored other cars more so than the day before.

I left saturday morning at 245am and got there at 630. I didn't calculate gas so I ended up running with a little more than half a tank of gas in the car. Silly me. There was NO open gas stations after I got off the interstate so Coffee was out of the question. When I got there it was pitch black, so I had to swap tires, check in, and get teched within an hour. Walked the course a few times. I ran 2nd heat and worked 5th.

All in all it was fun. I will post up pictures and results, I came in 5th out of 14 in STF.. Was fun. Will be doing this again and again and again.

Scott said he was moving back to San Diego here soon.

[ilikerice]

I was almost disqualified on day 1. I was taking a nap during heat 3 and assumed that I would be up with in an hour. Apparently I slept much longer than I wanted. luckily I told some guys from my region that I was taking a nap so when they were calling my name for worker check in for heat 5, they ran over to wake me up.. That was a close one.

Here are the results, just click on the class you wanna see
http://sololive.scca.com/

Andres.. stick with the mazda2.. It is set up very well. Keep me posted on your results with the Ice Bag

[xnamerxx]

Congrats on the trophy finish.

Scott is registered for the California events so I'll probably see him next month.

We have another Yaris that's going to register for the Pro and National next month. He managed to put another whopping on me this weekend also. Since I didn't do very well this weekend, I decided to take 2 of my runs that were within a 10th of each other and put them side by side, just to get a nice visual representation of how much a single mistake can cost you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA-hTu0O60A

[andres3165]

You guys were awesome, had a blast, nice to meet you .... going to Blytheville

Andres

[ilikerice]

Good luck Andres.

[justjesus]

I was almost disqualified on day 1. I was taking a nap

that's awesome. good thing your pals came to get you!


We have another Yaris that's going to register for the Pro and National next month.

Is it Alvin? I signed up for Sunday in the Yaris. I'm going to get my butt handed to me, but oh well. I need the practice, as I've been away far too long.

[xnamerxx]

Is it Alvin? I signed up for Sunday in the Yaris. I'm going to get my butt handed to me, but oh well. I need the practice, as I've been away far too long.


I believe so, he's been pretty good about attending every event so I would imagine he's gonna be there.
Nah, you're fast enough that if you put down a respectable time, you should have him.

[andres3165]

Scott was cool. saturday was close battle for 4th for me and him. I blame the lack of coffee and sleep Sunday was a bit more tough, Running the couse backwards definitely favored other cars more so than the day before.

I left saturday morning at 245am and got there at 630. I didn't calculate gas so I ended up running with a little more than half a tank of gas in the car. Silly me. There was NO open gas stations after I got off the interstate so Coffee was out of the question. When I got there it was pitch black, so I had to swap tires, check in, and get teched within an hour. Walked the course a few times. I ran 2nd heat and worked 5th.

All in all it was fun. I will post up pictures and results, I came in 5th out of 14 in STF.. Was fun. Will be doing this again and again and again.

Scott said he was moving back to San Diego here soon.

Yes hes a very nice guy , I put him to work , and he learned how to remove his rear shocks... ;)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7115/13222631024_a683904ae5_o.jpg

Andres

[ilikerice]

HAHA, that is awesome. He was telling me how he doesn't know anything about his car, he just drives it. I know he learned a lot that weekend. He is only going to get faster.

I got some pictures I will post up here eventually of the STF cars.. Just need to get them off my phone first. I'm lazy when it comes to technology.

[andres3165]

HAHA, that is awesome. He was telling me how he doesn't know anything about his car, he just drives it. I know he learned a lot that weekend. He is only going to get faster.

I got some pictures I will post up here eventually of the STF cars.. Just need to get them off my phone first. I'm lazy when it comes to technology.

It was a pleasure to meet you to, what a gentleman, also met Buzz what a character ;) ; as far as the intake project I got to measure the intake temp without the coolant and when the car is moving the temperature is only 2 degrees higher than outside temperature.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3684/13222632754_b1b43fbb09_o.jpg

Andres

[xnamerxx]

HAHA, that is awesome. He was telling me how he doesn't know anything about his car, he just drives it. I know he learned a lot that weekend. He is only going to get faster.

I got some pictures I will post up here eventually of the STF cars.. Just need to get them off my phone first. I'm lazy when it comes to technology.

That kinda sounds like Scott lol. It's awesome he's still rocking the beard.

[justjesus]

My visit to STF went as I expected. Alvin ran circles around me! He's pretty quick. Got me by 5 seconds on a 60 second course (for the fast guys).

I paxed 157 out of 245. My worst in quite some time.

But I had fun in the Yaris again. :)

[andres3165]

Good luck Andres.

Thanks Derrick,

I had a blast, learned a lot , even made it to the Challenge with a 41.547 on the right course but got killed by an ESP Camaro driven by a National Champion (Dave Ogbum III )

http://sololive.scca.com/STF.html

Here is my video of the fastest STF run in the right course, 41.896, .576 RT and 2.482 60' , .039 faster than Lee and .176 faster than Greg

Disclaimer: Unedited, adult language and too long since I forgot to turn the camera off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPq0iFCYJrY&list=UUGhrlgV0PYmC_tQ5QxL5ZtA

Andres

[ilikerice]

Joe Austin can't get a clean run in can he? You beat Daniel at least, HAHA..

That course was short. Well done keeping constant speed in the slalom. Looks fun. Wish I could go to all the tour events. I will try to be at Lincoln, NE this year.

No Yaris to represent =( at least a toyota was there

[xnamerxx]

Got me some tires :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10009752_649532758451004_1499690319_n.jpg

[ilikerice]

nice, but why the 195? 225 is where the grip is at

[xnamerxx]

Couldn't get 225 I also run a 7" rim so I wouldn't gain much going to a wider tire. Plus the 195 is about half an inch shorter.

[ilikerice]

I run 7" rims. Most people do. Also, the grip you get out of the 225 is more beneficial than the little bit of acceleration you get from that half an inch smaller diameter. BUT I do understand availability issue right now. The version 2 wont be available til april 16th...

[xnamerxx]

Yeah these are V1 tires.

I'm not entirely sold on the 225 thing, from the data I logged with my Rivals the 205 were faster than the 225 because they were lighter and didn't deflect as much.

Initial impressions with the Hankooks are mostly positive aside from some oversteer action in the very first turn they have an impressive amount of longitudinal traction, and turn in feels quite nice.

[ilikerice]

Different driving techniques I guess. I feel the 12 extra pounds I get from the 225 over the 195 is worth the momentum I can carry thru the slaloms. I will say, the Toyo R1R are amazing in the rain. Currently running R1R up front and RS3 in the back. Best setup sofar for me. I enjoy the rotation I get with them.

To each their own.

[Jason@SportsCar]

The RS3 is my favorite ST tires based on the testing we did a number of years ago, and that opinion did not change after going to the Rival launch. The RS3 drives the most like an R compound of any of them, just with a lower grip threshold. They rotate great, put power down good, and most important to me are easy to drive on the edge. For Solo ultimate speed is not important to me, its drive-ability, got to be able maximize it in three runs.

I wanted to run the RS3 the year we ran STX at natls, but like so often is the case, Hankook was out of rubber and the one set I had was down to the cords. We ended up on the Dunlop and with a 2nd place finish. :frown:

[justjesus]

I could just imagine the RS3s. I had the RS2 for a short time, and it was fun, fun, funnn.

Worn down R1Rs are not so much fun in the rain...while driving TO the event !
Once there, they were pretty good. :)

[xnamerxx]

The only real comment I have so far is the RS3 put down power better than any of the ST tires I've run so far including the 225 Rival and Dunlop(Rivals suck with longitudinal traction).

Hopefully this translates well to next weeks ProSolo.

[Jason@SportsCar]

The only real comment I have so far is the RS3 put down power better than any of the ST tires I've run so far including the 225 Rival and Dunlop(Rivals suck with longitudinal traction).

Hopefully this translates well to next weeks ProSolo.

You should skip the Pro and run Thunder Hill. :thumbsup:

TH, BW and Portland. Done, and you are ready for the Runoffs.

[xnamerxx]

Still waiting on approval to become a full driver.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Still waiting on approval to become a full driver.

I would skip to local source at this point. Contact the Natl office and let them know you want to race.

[justjesus]

Tell them me too!

[xnamerxx]

I did they referred me back to Bill.

[Jason@SportsCar]

I did they referred me back to Bill.

Lame. Did you talk to Terry?

[xnamerxx]

I don't remember her name but I think it was Terry.

She felt that my previous experience mostly doesn't count, and that Bill has the final call.

Yeah its been a pretty frustrating experience.

[Jason@SportsCar]

I don't remember her name but I think it was Terry.

She felt that my previous experience mostly doesn't count, and that Bill has the final call.

Yeah its been a pretty frustrating experience.

Crazy. We have never had that experience.

Hard to believe after three SCCA races, and past experience, there would be any question.

[xnamerxx]

Funny enough if I got my novice permit in January I'd be good, but since they changed the requirement Jan 31 I'm not.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Funny enough if I got my novice permit in January I'd be good, but since they changed the requirement Jan 31 I'm not.

We are caught in limbo with Jennifer's license as well... She started the process in 2012, but only ran one weekend. Had she done a second she would have a full Majors license now, instead she needs two more weekends due to the new rules. And she had a prior license in the 90s.

[xnamerxx]

Yeah thats pretty lame, kinda surprised she wasn't grandfathered in with the old rules.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Yeah thats pretty lame, kinda surprised she wasn't grandfathered in with the old rules.

They are working on it. I just have to send them the log book - which I should have sent in back in 2012. :redface:

[xnamerxx]

To get this back on track, I'm loving the Hankooks so far. I like the fact the edge is so easy to find, that's something I've been hating with the Rivals I could never find the edge.