2014 Fiesta ST Finally Priced

[Superfly]

Here is the long awaited for hot hatch from Ford. Starts out around 22k via the Ford build page and once fully optioned out will cost just under 27k. I really like the design and the fact that someone is finally bringing a true hot hatch to the US. I wish I could say that the price was a shock but with the way car prices have been trending, it isn't. Only time will tell if people lay down their money for this. I would, but that price is approaching truck/Wrangler money and that is the next direction I am heading.

New 2014 Fiesta ST (http://wot.motortrend.com/2014-ford-fiesta-st-pocket-rocket-starts-at-22195-334143.html#axzz2M6h0Ojyc)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/03/122012fordfiestast-geneva2012-1331036814.jpg

[fnkngrv]

tough sell at that price point even for what it is.

[UberSilver]

I'd buy the base, and soup it up myself. As long as it came with 197hp and 6 speed auto.

[BEEF]

I guess my issue is, for about 2 grand more you can have the focus ST with ~250hp

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2014-ford-fiesta-st-us-pricing-starts-at-21400-55663.html

"It's kind of expensive considering the Focus ST is only a couple of thousand more and is has lots more space in the back and a big trunk."

[cali yaris]

I drove a Focus ST last month and it was not impressive at all. Best feature was the seats, but only the front seats. No way adults are going to sit in the back.

The Fiesta will be a lot more nimble, and of course it's a two door. I'd take a close look at it before saying no.

[UberSilver]

But whats the power to weight ratio between the two?

And imo, the 2 door Fiesta looks hot, while the focus is just another sedan.

I guess my issue is, for about 2 grand more you can have the focus ST with ~250hp

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2014-ford-fiesta-st-us-pricing-starts-at-21400-55663.html

"It's kind of expensive considering the Focus ST is only a couple of thousand more and is has lots more space in the back and a big trunk."

[BEEF]

But whats the power to weight ratio between the two?



That one got me curious.

The Focus is easy as the data is easily attainable. As per the Ford web site, it weighs in at 3223lbs and 252hp (it is a bit of a fatty) putting it at 12.78 lbs/hp.

The Fiesta is more difficult as they haven't specified a weight for it. The two curb weights it lists on the web site for the base fiesta are 2537 (manual) and 2575 (automatic) and I am just quoting the hatchback putting the ratios at 12.87 and 13.07 respectively. I have read that everyone is assuming the ST is going to weigh more than the regular fiesta but we won't know until more information comes to light.

so the Focus is 12.78 (with difinitive numbers)
the fiesta is 12.87/13.07 (though we are not sure about)

Honestly at those numbers, it is probably a wash (about even).

I will say that I prefer 4 doors as I will soon have a family of 4. Baby seats in the 3 door yaris are interesting to say the least. I do prefer a 4 door hatch over a sedan though.

[fnkngrv]

The problem with the pricing is just like with the pricing for the new Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 Edition. Amazing specs and sounds like one hellova sweet ride, but at around 60k it is just silly. People can argue all day long, but in the end you can buy a Yaris LB, Versa Hatch, etc for 10k less and quite possibly build a better ride for that same 27k. Not to mention the fun that you would have not only building your "lesser" ride to that point, but quite possibly being able to smoke that Fiesta.

[SKurj]

Glad they brought the 2 door finally. I was dissappointed when the normal Fiesta only came in 4 doors.

The Fiesta ST would definitely make my short list.

[nookandcrannycar]

I mentioned the Fiesta ST in a post yesterday. I probably should have started a new thread, but instead added that post on the "I was going to trade it in..." thread. The ST caught my eye as one of the "25 Cars Worth Waiting For" in the April 2013 Issue of Car and Driver. The ST is only available with a manual transmission (:smile:) per the article. The other car in that article that caught my eye in that article was the Ferrari F70.....approximately 900 HP and lighter than a Yaris.

[UberSilver]

Ferrari F70.....approximately 900 HP and lighter than a Yaris.

One of very few cars that will smoke my VFR:cry:

[Superfly]

Glad they brought the 2 door finally. I was dissappointed when the normal Fiesta only came in 4 doors.

The Fiesta ST would definitely make my short list.

Don't quote me, but I believe the US is only getting a four door hatch model Fiesta ST. Everyone is has already or will be getting the two door option.

The problem with the pricing is just like with the pricing for the new Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 Edition. Amazing specs and sounds like one hellova sweet ride, but at around 60k it is just silly. People can argue all day long, but in the end you can buy a Yaris LB, Versa Hatch, etc for 10k less and quite possibly build a better ride for that same 27k. Not to mention the fun that you would have not only building your "lesser" ride to that point, but quite possibly being able to smoke that Fiesta.

Yeah, that is what I was thinking too. You could go a couple grand more and get a larger Focus or sink that extra 5-10k into a tunable cheap hatch and reap the benefits. I am looking forward to seeing how this Fiesta sells. People have been begging for a hot hatch (just like a diesel pick-up) and now that the auto companies are doing it, it will be interesting to see if these same people put their money on the table. I wish the base price was under the 20k mark, it would be more palatable for what is essentially still a subcompact.

[bronsin]

Im thinking Yaris sized cars are moving up in price to $20,000 soon...

[why?]

The price is too much. Cut $5 grand off and it could be worth it.

[nookandcrannycar]

I'd buy the base, and soup it up myself. As long as it came with 197hp and 6 speed auto.

Why the 6 speed auto?....It wouldn't be as fun (as a manual) on Skyline Blvd between Saratoga Gap and Hwy 92....nor on the Panoramic Hwy and Hwy 1 in Marin....nor Canyon Rd, Pinehurst Rd, Skyline Blvd, Redwood Rd, Grizzly Peak, Fish Ranch Rd, Wildcat Canyon Rd :biggrin:.

[nookandcrannycar]

One of very few cars that will smoke my VFR:cry:

I like many things about it. I'm just really having trouble getting my head around the fact that it's an automatic :cry:.

[nookandcrannycar]

Im thinking Yaris sized cars are moving up in price to $20,000 soon...

What about the car I referred to as "Bronsin's dream car?" (:biggrin:) on the "I was going to trade it in..." thread day before yesterday --- The Fiesta 1.0 ---- 3 cylinder turbo , 123 HP , 43 MPG HWY and high 30's CITY. $14,000 base with an extra 1k for that engine choice. The only negative thought I had re you liking it = 'He might think it's too expensive...not cheaper than a base Yaris'.

[nookandcrannycar]

US is only getting a four door hatch model Fiesta ST.

I read the same thing...either in the '25 Cars Worth Waiting For' article in the April 2013 Car and Driver or another recent article.

[bronsin]

What about the car I referred to as "Bronsin's dream car?" (:biggrin:) on the "I was going to trade it in..." thread day before yesterday --- The Fiesta 1.0 ---- 3 cylinder turbo , 123 HP , 43 MPG HWY and high 30's CITY. $14,000 base with an extra 1k for that engine choice. The only negative thought I had re you liking it = 'He might think it's too expensive...not cheaper than a base Yaris'.

Interesting car but the turbo probably rules it out for me.

Maybe I can take it off and sell to someone here? :biggrin:

[nookandcrannycar]

Interesting car but the turbo probably rules it out for me.

Maybe I can take it off and sell to someone here? :biggrin:

:biggrin: If I had to rank what I thought you might not like about it, price was number one and the turbo was number two. I didn't think you'd care about having as many as 123 horses....that less power (especially if it meant higher MPG :biggrin:) would be what you would prefer.

[sqcomp]

Perhaps it's me getting older...but 27-29k for a Fiesta?

For 23k I can get a 1972 Plymouth Scamp with a mildly worked over 440 and smoke the hell out of it...put in 3k worth of suspension and here would be no comparing the difference in value.

[bronsin]

:biggrin: If I had to rank what I thought you might not like about it, price was number one and the turbo was number two. I didn't think you'd care about having as many as 123 horses....that less power (especially if it meant higher MPG :biggrin:) would be what you would prefer.

I checked out the inventory of 2013 Fiestas at the Ford dealer. These have the 1.6 liter.

None was going for less than $18.5K :eek:

I can just imagine what they want for the turbo...:frown:

FOR SALE Turbo from Fiesta.... only $8000!

[nookandcrannycar]

I checked out the inventory of 2013 Fiestas at the Ford dealer. These have the 1.6 liter.

None was going for less than $18.5K :eek:

I can just imagine what they want for the turbo...:frown:

FOR SALE Turbo from Fiesta.... only $8000!

The turbo 1.0 liter is only supposed to add 1k to the 14k base, but I don't imagine many dealers will order many without a fair array of options. Also, if gas climbs to previous highs and beyond the 43 HWY MPG of the turbo would likely command a premium, especially with the city rating not much below that.

[bronsin]

The turbo 1.0 liter is only supposed to add 1k to the 14k base, but I don't imagine many dealers will order many without a fair array of options. Also, if gas climbs to previous highs and beyond the 43 HWY MPG of the turbo would likely command a premium, especially with the city rating not much below that.

I think I saw the base price on the Fiesta is $12.5? :iono:

I think neither getting the base price of any Fiesta model nor 43 mpg on the highway is likely. :cry:

[detroiter]

I know it's a different type of car but for $21,000 out the door, I can get a brand new Mustang V6 with 300+hp and RWD. No way in hell I'd buy that Fiesta ST for the price they are asking. Typical American car company reaction to building what people want..."We'll build it but overcharge you for what you're getting...".

Hell, I could even get a Scion FRS for near the same price or a Hyundai Genesis Turbo. Sorry Ford but the only people I see buying this car is the American car/FoMoCo leg humpers.

[nookandcrannycar]

I think I saw the base price on the Fiesta is $12.5? :iono:

I think neither getting the base price of any Fiesta model nor 43 mpg on the highway is likely. :cry:

Did you see that at the dealership? The blurb from Car and Driver says 14k base, but they could be wrong. I think 43 MPG HWY is possible. I just (like you) wish they were offering that engine without the turbo...too much chance it would effect reliability. Neither you (I assume) nor I would care about 'gutlessness' from lack of a turbo on a 3 cyl 1.0 liter engine, but most USDM buyers who might consider this car probably would care.

[nookandcrannycar]

FoMoCo leg humpers.

:bellyroll:

[why?]

Did you see that at the dealership? The blurb from Car and Driver says 14k base, but they could be wrong. I think 43 MPG HWY is possible. I just (like you) wish they were offering that engine without the turbo...too much chance it would effect reliability. Neither you (I assume) nor I would care about 'gutlessness' from lack of a turbo on a 3 cyl 1.0 liter engine, but most USDM buyers who might consider this car probably would care.

except that if it is both tuned right, low enough boost, and a small enough turbo, the turbo would not only add extra power, but extra gas mileage as well.

Of course, with ford's recent examples, I doubt it is. I it probably just like the other ecoboost engines, high pressure, fake numbers, and a crap job of engineering.

[nookandcrannycar]

except that if it is both tuned right, low enough boost, and a small enough turbo, the turbo would not only add extra power, but extra gas mileage as well.

Of course, with ford's recent examples, I doubt it is. I it probably just like the other ecoboost engines, high pressure, fake numbers, and a crap job of engineering.

But would the turbo last as long as the engine? Even with the turbo resulting in better gas mileage, if the turbo gave out before the engine did you'd still have to deal with that. Would the amount saved by the increased fuel economy for the reasons you mentioned more than cover dealing with the turbo having given out before the engine? If it did, would that be worth the hassle? Some might feel it would be. I don't feel that way.

[why?]

But would the turbo last as long as the engine? Even with the turbo resulting in better gas mileage, if the turbo gave out before the engine did you'd still have to deal with that. Would the amount saved by the increased fuel economy for the reasons you mentioned more than cover dealing with the turbo having given out before the engine? If it did, would that be worth the hassle? Some might feel it would be. I don't feel that way.

A modern turbo tuned correctly simply won't give out. They are now both oil and water cooled, and as long as someone doesn't over boost them they'll be fine.

My first car was a 1986 Saab 9000. It came with a turbo from the factory. I bought it in 1997, after it had been in storage a few years. I drove it right out of high school, my sister drove it, and then we sold it to someone we know. The turbo and the engine is still going strong. While we had to spend a bunch of money fixing everything else.

Basically turbos will last just as long as the engine as long as they are not screwed with by the cars owners. Most turbos are killed by improper tuning and cooling, not by being too old. With all the turbos in so many different cars from the late 80's we would know if turbos were a problem part.

[thebarber]

Sure a yaris is 10k$ less, but factory turbo with warranty? Win.

[BEEF]

Sure a yaris is 10k$ less, but factory turbo with warranty? Win.

This is the advantage I see with either the Focus ST or the Fiesta ST.

I wish Toyota would make a yaris that way. I would think that even 160hp at the crank would be insane (if it had the factory warranty and support).

[why?]

This is the advantage I see with either the Focus ST or the Fiesta ST.

I wish Toyota would make a yaris that way. I would think that even 160hp at the crank would be insane (if it had the factory warranty and support).

Even 130hp with a turbo would rock. We used to have an 88 626 turbo. 1800lbs and 130 hp turbo 4, the car absolutely flew.

[thebarber]

Even 130hp with a turbo would rock. We used to have an 88 626 turbo. 1800lbs and 130 hp turbo 4, the car absolutely flew.

I like the fiat 500T for that. $18000CAD, factory f/i, and easily tunable to abarth range...

[nookandcrannycar]

tuned correctly

By 'tuned correctly', do you mean not changed from factory specs, or do you mean it in the sense of 'well maintained' ?

[BEEF]

I think he means the actual fuel maps that are put in. Going turbo isn't that hard to do as a lot of people have done it. Bolt on the manifold, run some oil lines, and run some exhaust and intake piping. The hard part is that the computer is not made to run with one so you have to use either a piggy-back engine/fuel controller or a complete stand alone computer system in your car.

The fuel management is the really tricky part and requires dyno tuning to get it right. This can translate into hours on a dyno adjusting trim levels, fuel maps, and A/F ratios so you don't blow the side out of your engine and so you get the most power out of a given PSI.

There are no complete turbo kits out there as each car reacts somewhat differently to a given setup. If there were a kit, it would probably be way too conservative for the price (like the supercharger kit which adds around 25hp for $4000).

I don't own a turbo car but have heard many stories of what it takes to do a turbo right.

[nookandcrannycar]

I think he means the actual fuel maps that are put in. Going turbo isn't that hard to do as a lot of people have done it. Bolt on the manifold, run some oil lines, and run some exhaust and intake piping. The hard part is that the computer is not made to run with one so you have to use either a piggy-back engine/fuel controller or a complete stand alone computer system in your car.

The fuel management is the really tricky part and requires dyno tuning to get it right. This can translate into hours on a dyno adjusting trim levels, fuel maps, and A/F ratios so you don't blow the side out of your engine and so you get the most power out of a given PSI.

There are no complete turbo kits out there as each car reacts somewhat differently to a given setup. If there were a kit, it would probably be way too conservative for the price (like the supercharger kit which adds around 25hp for $4000).

I don't own a turbo car but have heard many stories of what it takes to do a turbo right.

Thanks. The reason I asked that question is that I formed my somewhat negative opinion about turbos based on family and friends who had turbocharged Audis of the same vintage as Why?'s Saab and also Audis older than that....and all of these Audi owners were not exactly trailblazers when it came to maintaining these Audis :biggrin:.

[why?]

By 'tuned correctly', do you mean not changed from factory specs, or do you mean it in the sense of 'well maintained' ?

As Beef mentioned, if the car came stock with a turbo, just leaving it alone and taking the care of the car should be it enough for it to last until the car dies.

And honestly, for an aftermarket turbo, just do it right. There is a reason people like Garm and Blown XA can go forever and a day without blowing up engines with high boost. Or why Supras can go over 500hp on stock internals without issues.

The problem with so many people that do aftermarket turbos is they half ass them. And then when the air is too hot, or there is nowhere near enough fuel, or the injectors stick open, etc, their engines blow up. And they never ever blame their own stupidity.

The engines of those early Audi Quattros were rock solid. The bodies however is why they are now rare.

[cali yaris]

Interesting car but the turbo probably rules it out for me.
Maybe I can take it off and sell to someone here?

Wouldn't that be a Fiesta SE then? oh wait, with nicer seats..

Hell, I could even get a Scion FRS for near the same price

Two-seater. Apples to oranges. I need four seats and four doors.

I wasnt impressed with the Focus ST, but I'll keep an open mind. Fiesta looks great to me. I will certainly test drive one when they arrive. THEN I'll post an opinion about it. You guys are funny.

[why?]

Still think the WRX is the king of the 4 door performance car at this price point.