Anyone heel-toeing on the Yaris?

[cleong]

I used to do heel-toe downshifts on both my AE92 Corolla as well as my brother's ES Civic. In fact I learned on the AE92 and broke a clutch in the process.

However with the Yaris I am finding that I simply can't get comfortable with the pedals or it might be the e-throttle. Either way, I can't do it properly.

If someone else is able to do it, then I just need to work harder to figure it out.

[ChinoCharles]

For me, the brake and clutch pedals are offset to a degree that doesn't allow it in that small of a space. I can't remember which is too high and which is too low, but either way I can't seem to get my feet to sit right. I may have to look at that at some point.

[yrsdrgn]

maybe some aftermarket pedals? don't know if that'll help

[Doc Zaius]

I started doing it after seeing Biggie's avatar, and reading up on it. Praise the internet. Anyhow, I have size 12 feet (45 europe) so its a little difficult... and I find I can only do it well in my super-small sneakers... think like Puma Speedcats or something.... very snug, form-fitting sneaker.... thin sole too. I have to get my foot really high on the brake pedal... kind of have to push it from the top-right of the pedel. But it works... just takes practice. I'm still no good with regular running shoes!

Also aftermarket pedals with the widened gas pedal would make a huge difference!!

[60 Somethings]

At 6'3" with long legs and size 13 shoes, it's not really a possibility. It fun enough, and holds its own, w/o trying to heel-and-toe it.

[slothman86]

I've been doing it for about a month. Everyone wonders how i go thru corners fast. Someone actually told me that heel-toe was planting your heel on the deck of the car and lightly feathering the brake. I kinda laughed a lil and said "well everyone has their own techniques and i think that's just braking." I don't think he knows too much about racing techniques...I've been trying to get my 'cockpit' set up to reduce fatigue, he doesn't understand that either. oh well a lil off topic but...

Yeah, Heel-toe is a little hard with my yaris because the acc ped is so far away from the brake...but i've been getting better... ^^

[drifto]

i installed some project mu pedals. heel toe is much easier now. :biggrin:
the gas pedal is a little more recessed than normal b/c its an ETC system. theres no throttle cable anymore. so all you are feeling is a rubberband flexing when you hit the gas pedal. :rolleyes: so its a very different feel from my ae86. but it can be done, just get some pedals it will def. help out :wink:

[cleong]

I find that I have to do the "heel" bit twice, that is to say I have to jab the accelerator pedal with my heel twice in order to blip the revs up enough.

Conversely I found that wearing a wider shoe lets me "cheat" by rolling my right foot from the brake pedal to tap the accelerator. Wearing those Speedcat type shoes, they have a firm sole, but it is narrow also. The spacing of the brake and accelerator pedal is just somewhat inconvenient for the heel action.

I'll look into accelerator pedals that have an extension for heel and toe-ing. There are some cheap ones that have an adjustable extension I could play with.

[drifto]

razo has some good ones for not to much $$$ as well as project mu which has the extensions. blipping the accelerator twice is fine i do it all the time and yes rolling your foot works too, quite well i may add. :smile:

heel toe is important in our underpowered cars. the only good side is that we can power though the turns full throttle if we wanted. while the more powerfull or forced indution cars have to feather the throttle and deal with lag etc. sometimes less power is good. :wink:

[eTiMaGo]

I really need to learn this skill... but roads here are too slow and boring...

[Toymaniac]

i`m able to but took me some time to get a good position ... further that i am from the wheel the easyer it gets...

[sam07yaris]

I use heel and toe a lot on my drives. For smoother shifting, I double-clutch as well. :)

[sam07yaris]

its more of a shift thtas all, u don't push down since the pedals aren't spaced correctly for a correct heel toe. It's a SLIGHT see saw maneuver that you do and you really do not have to blip the throttle to a huge degree on the yaris. If done correctly, you will feel no budging of the tranny.

[CASTREX]

razo has some good ones for not to much $$$ as well as project mu which has the extensions. blipping the accelerator twice is fine i do it all the time and yes rolling your foot works too, quite well i may add. :smile:



Razos

[IllusionX]

i`m able to but took me some time to get a good position ... further that i am from the wheel the easyer it gets...

i second that :) but i'm still not good at it :(

[weaponrcamry]

Nope I don't heel-toe. I wouldn't do it unless I had a much beefier clutch.

[cleong]

When done properly, heel and toe downshift does not wear a clutch any more than a normal downshift, perhaps even less.

[drifto]

well actually its done for smoother downshifting which actually helps your clutch and motor/trans mounts. you raise the revs up to come out of a turn with consistant and smooth power transition. its basically rev-matching while braking at the same time. also footwear is important, its a lot harder to heel-toe sporting timbs, as compared to some chuck taylor allstars :)

[slothman86]

I have some new balances that are pretty form fitting to my foot so It's a little easier than my work boots (LOL)maybe if I glue like a big piece of plastic to my acc pedal I would close the gap of the brake and the acc a little bit. LOL. but I was thinking about look closely at my pedals today to check out if I can mod it any... but I guess the hard part about the seesawing is pressure or lack there of on the brake...

[barebonedvitz]

yo drifto, u got pix of ur proj mu pedals?

[YogiYaris]

For those which have small feet ( such as I), the heel toe technique is most easily accomplished by literally using only your heel and toe. Many people are lazy and try to lay their whole foot on the pedals. Try only using your heel and toe. Before even getting started just try getting your foot placement right and finding an accurate leverage point. Your actual heel to toe axis is the most important step in using this technique.

[barebonedvitz]

For those which have small feet ( such as I), the heel toe technique is most easily accomplished by literally using only your heel and toe. Many people are lazy and try to lay their whole foot on the pedals. Try only using your heel and toe. Before even getting started just try getting your foot placement right and finding an accurate leverage point. Your actual heel to toe axis is the most important step in using this technique.

can u take a pic of ur foot placement :tongue:

[drifto]

yo drifto, u got pix of ur proj mu pedals?

yes ill take some. ill try tonight. :smile:

[cleong]

For no apparent reason, I can heel and toe again! I guess I need to be sitting a little bit closer to the steering wheel.

[Ran Kizama]

The heel-toe technique was key to me when I used to drift my MX-5. The Yaris, not so much. Also, since I'm so tall (6'3"), the pedal placement made it difficult to really use the technique.

So I came up with a solution. Swap it around. Now I do a toe-heel technique where I use the edge of my heel to hit the brake then flex my foot forward to hit the gas with my toes. I don't know why, but this is a lot easier for me now. The hard part was learning not to slam the brake while blipping the gas. :laugh:

[barebonedvitz]

The heel-toe technique was key to me when I used to drift my MX-5. The Yaris, not so much. Also, since I'm so tall (6'3"), the pedal placement made it difficult to really use the technique.

So I came up with a solution. Swap it around. Now I do a toe-heel technique where I use the edge of my heel to hit the brake then flex my foot forward to hit the gas with my toes. I don't know why, but this is a lot easier for me now. The hard part was learning not to slam the brake while blipping the gas. :laugh:

Dude... this seemed easier for me too.. couldn't quite get the old heel toe as i used in the civic.. but yah.. this yaris is exercising my left-foot braking too..

are u guys able to use the heel toe in auto x wid our cars?

[drifto]

ok here are the pics of my project mu pedals... sorry for the delay, been workin late these days :frown:

[Frank the Tank]

Bump

I know this is a really old thread but any new info on how to make heel and toe possible with this car?

[tmontague]

I do it all the time now, but it was virtually impossible with stock pedals. I installed Sparco pedal covers and now heel toing is much more doable and realistic.

[thebarber]

I heel/toe all the things

[ern-diz]

I do it all the time now, but it was virtually impossible with stock pedals. I installed Sparco pedal covers and now heel toing is much more doable and realistic.

Which ones did you buy? Did a quick Google and eBay search for a combination of Yaris and Sparco pedals, but didn't get any matches.

Heel toe seems impossible with the stock pedals.

[Frank the Tank]

I do it all the time now, but it was virtually impossible with stock pedals. I installed Sparco pedal covers and now heel toing is much more doable and realistic.

Link please

[tmontague]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Sparco-Settanta-Pedal-Cover-Set-037879IT01-Gray-Silver-with-Black-/391613424900?nav=SEARCH

[ern-diz]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Sparco-Settanta-Pedal-Cover-Set-037879IT01-Gray-Silver-with-Black-/391613424900?nav=SEARCH

They look nice! Thank you, sir!

[why?]

My feet are generally too big, but for me with the lightweight flywheel every time I use the clutch the throttle gets blipped anyways.

[tmontague]

They look nice! Thank you, sir!

I should also add that the pedals are not slippery although they look to be so. The black lines are grooves cut into them and they give lateral grip even with snowy wet shoes.

That said, I always bang my feet off as best as I can when I have snow on my shoes and yet to have any issues

[ern-diz]

I should also add that the pedals are not slippery although they look to be so. The black lines are grooves cut into them and they give lateral grip even with snowy wet shoes.

That said, I always bang my feet off as best as I can when I have snow on my shoes and yet to have any issues

How do they attach? Do you find yourself having to tighten them every so often?