First US 2ZR-FE Yaris swap gains exposure

[ArmstrongRacing]

Some of you may know already about how the Norcal Vitz/Vios club got together over a couple weekends to complete a T-Sport of our own.

Heres the article!:

http://www.subcompactculture.com/2015/11/subcompact-showcase-only-2zr-fe-powered.html?m=1#more

Here is the DIY:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=775256#post775256

[KTS]

real nice. congrats to the team that completed the job.
I have one question,
"The car's builder, Tom Armstrong, of Armstrong Racing, said the swap was literally a plug and play affair"
I assume this means the motor goes in bolt for bolt, however what about the ecu and gearbox aspect? Does the 1nz gearbox bolt to the 2zr engine or is the 2zr gearbox required?
Again great job. I have been considering selling my s/c to do this swap and been trying to gather as much info as possible.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thanks for the support!

Because this project was a auto > manual trans conversion also, we used the Xd manual trans and axles. Ive heard from many sources that the 1nz and 2zr bell housings are compatible, but I wont have a final answer untill I source another 2zr for my personal car.

The ECU came from the Xd also.

[LTHatch]

Very nice! Any chance you can give us a full parts list for the swap?

[KTS]

Thanks armstrongRacing. Keep the info on the swap coming in.

[aspro]

That is awesome. Man, the yaris you used for the swap looks exactly like my car but with less doors.

If i can manage to cook my engine, i would so go for the 2zr swap.

[tmontague]

This is great. I'm curious as to all the parts needed to make it work. It'd be nice if you could just swap the engine and keep the transmission.

Are all of the connectors compatible? ie: the fuel injectors etc

[ArmstrongRacing]

Very nice! Any chance you can give us a full parts list for the swap?

Untill I know for sure if we can/cannot use the Yaris transmission, this list may need future modification. I have a spare Yaris trans already, Im currently attempting to source another 2zr for some r&d.

1) Salvaged 2zr-fe from scion Xd~$1500. This must be a complete engine with all accesories due to the updated drive belt system. Manifolds, harness.

2) Fuel injection hose from Xd. ~$60 (its longer), air conditioning compressor lines. ~$130 (compressor specific, but attatch to the lines in the car with no modifications).

3) Passenger side engine mount from Xd. ~$170

4) ECU from Scion Xd. ~$130 (depending on your car, you will need a immobilizer or non-immobilizer version....and if you have immobilizer keys will need to be registered).

5) Xd OEM airbox or intake with MAF sensor. ~$300 (updated style) and exhaust mid-pipe. ~$500-600 (larger diameter and correct cats).

6) Xd yaw rate sensor and wiring. ~$200 (A check engine light will be present due to the 2zr's traction control system)

So plan on roughly $2800 for parts, unless you buy a scion Xd as a donor vehicle.

When you power up the 2zr for the first time, you will get a check engine light. That code will point you to the wire change needed. ��

[ArmstrongRacing]

Are all of the connectors compatible? ie: the fuel injectors etc

Yes, the 2zr engine harness plugs into the fuse box with no modification.

[enviri]

As I have reasonable certainty regardeing 1nz tranny bolting on the 2zr, I recall during our groupchats when the swap was done a few months back, if you do go the 2zr tranny route, the speedo is being read from the abs rather than the 1nz tranny's speed sensor also?

[JimKellyfan]

That is expletive awesome. Great work !
In my driving styles and things I have done so far to my Yar, I would love to do this when I can afford to.
Again, great stuff and congrats.

[ArmstrongRacing]

As I have reasonable certainty regardeing 1nz tranny bolting on the 2zr.......... if you do go the 2zr tranny route, the speedo is being read from the abs rather than the 1nz tranny's speed sensor also?

This is correct. The 2zr trans has no speed sensor, the Xd gets speed input from the abs module. We had to run a wire from the abs module to the fuse box juction to get our speedo to work.

This step is not needed if the Yaris trans works, thats why I didnt add it to the list.

[LTHatch]

Thank you very much for the information, hows the acceleration with the 2zr(0-60)? You have quite a few videos on your youtube page, that's of the 2zr Yaris?

[ArmstrongRacing]

...hows the acceleration with the 2zr(0-60)?
....You have quite a few videos on your youtube page, that's of the 2zr Yaris?

The 2zr in stock form feels similar to my complete bolt-on 1nz...but when you need to climb a hill or overtake a car you dont have to downshift from 5th. The lightweight Yaris doesnt need a ton of power, and the 2zr with all of the bolt-ons gets up to ~148hp.

My ArmstrongRacing Yaris still has the 1nz, as I am restricted by SCCA/GTA class rules....untill I find another 2zr! ��

[tmontague]

I'm a bit confused regarding the immobilizer. My Yaris has an immobilizer, so I'd need a 2zr with an immobilizer for it to work? I'm assuming that you are talking about the keys that need to be reprogrammed for the 2zr immobilizer as they are originally for the 1nz ECU? Has anyone had their keys reprogrammed for another ECU and if so what is a rough cost look like?

[ArmstrongRacing]

The immobilizer function is a relationship between the car(yaris), the Ecm(Xd 2zr), and keys. I dont know if the Xd 2zr ecm can be programed to work with the yaris immobilizer module, or if a Xd module and keys are needed....that is all uncharted teritory as of now.

I work at the dealership and we normaly charge ~$100 to cut and program keys.

[tmontague]

I'm assuming that your Yaris has no immobilizer?

I figured that if some one had an immobilizer and wanted to swap to a 2zr than you'd just need to get the immobilizer 2zr, the matching ECU and then just reprogram the Yaris keys to match the new ECU.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Yes, my car has no (Toyota)immobilizer. I have an alarm and a secret kill switch.

To know for sure about the immobilizer, we need a 2zr swap to test this on.....and as of now there is only this one in the US. So the question is....

HOW CAN I MAKE THIS SWAP MORE APPEALING AND ACCESABLE TO EVERYONE?

[tmontague]

Pics for a diy would for sure help and as stated above an outline listing parts needed make it easier for sure.

I'd personally rather have a blitz s/c for my 1nz, but due to the crazy price the 2zr may be more realistic. I just wouldn't spend the cash unless I knew exactly if it would work and how to do it.

I'm sure others would be a bit more adventurous but as my DD I have to be somewhat careful what I do to my Yaris.

How's your swapped Yaris running?

[Rigaud]

Nice swap and very well done!!! Great to see someone out this way actually doing it.

But.........you can get more then 30 additional hp from the 1nz

[ArmstrongRacing]

Pics for a diy would for sure help and as stated above an outline listing parts needed make it easier for sure.

I just wouldn't spend the cash unless I knew exactly if it would work and how to do it.

How's your swapped Yaris running?

Ive created a parts list with approximate prices in this tread. But I agree on pics and a diy, I can do that. The 2zr Yaris is running great, its getting an intake, pulley, and header soon!

[ArmstrongRacing]

But.........you can get more then 30 additional hp from the 1nz

....how much does that cost? And how is the reliability? ....all things we must consider.

[Rigaud]

....how much does that cost? And how is the reliability? ....all things we must consider.It's not that bad considering just a donor engine would cost $2000 plus. The guy's from Puerto Rico have great reliable success all N/A no turbo and Dyno charts. Quite impressive and a hell of a lot less work

Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down your swap because I think it's an awesome swap you guy's did. ;) You should be able and get 20-40 more hp if done right. I was and still am considering a 2ZZ-GE swap which is not hard to do mechanically. The wiring is another story however, not plug and play. I'm undecided whether to do more on my go-kart (Yaris) or start my Audi 2.7TT swap.

[Rigaud]

Ive created a parts list with approximate prices in this tread. But I agree on pics and a diy, I can do that. The 2zr Yaris is running great, its getting an intake, pulley, and header soon!

:thumbsup:

[invader166]

HOW CAN I MAKE THIS SWAP MORE APPEALING AND ACCESABLE TO EVERYONE?

How about pitching this to Toyota. If it's really not that hard to do this engine swap, then why not have Toyota offer a Yaris with this engine from the factory!?

Call it the Yaris Type R or something...:iono:

[Rigaud]

How about pitching this to Toyota. If it's really not that hard to do this engine swap, then why not have Toyota offer a Yaris with this engine from the factory!?

Call it the Yaris Type R or something...:iono:
They did, just not in North America.

[invader166]

They did, just not in North America.

Awe man!! We never get any of the good stuff...:cry:

[ArmstrongRacing]

It's not that bad considering just a donor engine would cost $2000 plus. The guy's from Puerto Rico have great reliable success all N/A no turbo and Dyno charts. Quite impressive and a hell of a lot less work.

All of that sounds great, and is cool! But that is fine for those NOT looking for a legit, smog legal 50 state swap option. The 2zr has been battle tested in the Lotus for years, and you START with 128-136hp/126ftlbs depending on header choice!

[enviri]

donor engine for 2k plus? i see (in canada) a good amount of 2zr-fe for CA$1500 or less.

[tmontague]

ugh this makes it harder to keep convincing myself to save the money for a WRX street/track build down the road...

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Awesome. Major kudos for taking the leap and being the first to try this swap. :thumbsup:

I'm confused though - did the Yaris' transmission work out?

Also, any pics of the completed swap?

[ern-diz]

Super cool. Two thumbs up.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I'm confused though - did the Yaris' transmission work out?

Also, any pics of the completed swap?

Still working on getting another 2zr for r&d, ill let you guys know about the trans when I get there. I didnt take many pictures of the swap, sorry. The pictures on SubCompact is all Ive seen since.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Pretty cool project. If the 2ZR has as much potential as the 1NZ it should be really fast once you start tweaking on it. :thumbsup:

[ArmstrongRacing]

ugh this makes it harder to keep convincing myself to save the money for a WRX street/track build down the road...

Do NOT buy a Subaru with a EJ25. The reliability on those engines is terrible if you want to upgrade the turbo. Money pit for sure.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Pretty cool project. If the 2ZR has as much potential as the 1NZ it should be really fast once you start tweaking on it. :thumbsup:

I agree, and being that the Lotus exige has a supercharged 2zr....we know there is an aftermarket for these engines already.

[tmontague]

Do NOT buy a Subaru with a EJ25. The reliability on those engines is terrible if you want to upgrade the turbo. Money pit for sure.

I'm looking into the 2011-2012 year as I love the body design when you pair them with aftermarket wheels and coilovers. They had the EJ255 engine. I'm well aware of the potential failure but I'm not looking to go much past 300hp. I'm coming from driving an NA Yaris so I'm looking for it to be my hobby car to upgrade suspensions, appearance and slight engine mod like up to a stage 2. To be used as a DD, autoX and track day car, not for any real serious racing.

The stock engine should be well able to handle that mild power, and if not, well just more time spent for me to learn how to rebuild an engine. I'm planning on having my Yaris for another decade at least so it gives me a DD when my hobby car is on a lift ;)

[Rigaud]

I'm looking into the 2011-2012 year as I love the body design when you pair them with aftermarket wheels and coilovers. They had the EJ255 engine. I'm well aware of the potential failure but I'm not looking to go much past 300hp. I'm coming from driving an NA Yaris so I'm looking for it to be my hobby car to upgrade suspensions, appearance and slight engine mod like up to a stage 2. To be used as a DD, autoX and track day car, not for any real serious racing.

The stock engine should be well able to handle that mild power, and if not, well just more time spent for me to learn how to rebuild an engine. I'm planning on having my Yaris for another decade at least so it gives me a DD when my hobby car is on a lift ;)
2.5 especially after 2008 is like playing Russian Roulette........"stock". But the 2.5L was always problematic for head gaskets, piston slapping due to a short piston skirt, oil issues reaching the journals at the other extremity of the crank, etc...

[tmontague]

Ya they're not a Toyota that's for sure. I've been following a lot of the Subie forums for the past half year and most of the issues seemed to stem from heavily moded wrx's. The head gasket can happen even to the stock one's but as for the oil delivery issues it seems to happens when pushed passed red line for prolonged periods of time with added boost.

The only other option would be to spend a lot more money on a '14 model with a new 2.0 engine that is still too new to determine durability.

My budget may only allow for an '11 or '12 and then just pull the engine and work on it as needed. The way I see it is a headgasket job is cheap if you don't mind putting putting time in. And since i'll have my dependable Yaris to drive while the WRX is out of commision, it sort of a win win.

It's still a couple years away for me so a lot of time to learn/read more and see how the prices fair down the road.

[CrankyOldMan]

Still working on getting another 2zr for r&d, ill let you guys know about the trans when I get there. I didnt take many pictures of the swap, sorry. The pictures on SubCompact is all Ive seen since.

From my conversations with RagnaCat (PR, 2ZR swap) about gearboxes, the drive shafts are different on the transmission side. I've got a few different stock differentials (minus ring gears) in my parts bins, and I know how to rebuild a C5x gearbox, so this wouldn't be an issue for me. If you want it to be plug and play, you really need an xD MT as a donor. As far as I can tell, the bell housings are compatible, assuming that the starters are in the same spot.

[ArmstrongRacing]

From all of the images I looked through on the internet, and remembering the starter positions during the swap. I'd say the starters are in the same position. AGAIN, this is why Im getting another 2zr to test fit with my spare yaris trans and flyweel/clutch.

[KTS]

I was checking on act, spec and fidanza websites. From act I see that the 2zr and 1nz user the same pressure plate and clutch disc however the flywheel part numbers on spec website differ for the two; 1nz=st51a while 2zr=st16a. Therefore if the 1nz gearbox/tranny built to the 2zr all u may need is the 2zr flywheel for the drivetrain

[ArmstrongRacing]

I was checking on act, spec and fidanza websites. From act I see that the 2zr and 1nz user the same pressure plate and clutch disc...., all u may need is the 2zr flywheel

I saw this too, this is why all I need to do is try bolting the 2zr and C5 together and then we have the answer !

[KTS]

I can't wait for the answer. Tomorrow I am going to look for a 2zr locally.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I just heard there is someone making long-tube headers for the 2zr? Someone in Az?

[LTHatch]

http://www.fastscions.com/rpm-long-tube-header-midpipe-scion-xd-2008-2012.aspx Is this what you're looking for?

[Jason@SportsCar]

I just heard there is someone making long-tube headers for the 2zr? Someone in Az?

Talk to Jim at RPM.

http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/RPM427/library/SCION%20XD%20PROJECT?sort=3&page=1

http://www.rpmheaders.com/index.html

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thanks guys! ����

[ilikerice]

Oh man, I haven't visited YW in a while. Glad you finally posted this up. I remember talking to you about this and how there needs to be a new thread on this because RagnaCat had a huge build thread on MicroImage forum that is not lost in the ether.

One day this will happen to my yaris. Would be a 2zr supercharged to compete in the SMF class.... Would definently turn some heads

[ArmstrongRacing]

I am moving next month, and once Im settled I will be researching an Xd to buy. I will then begin the swap process on my own car with lots of pictures for a proper diy.....I will be joining the SMF class also, but going the n/a route

[ilikerice]

I am having issues trying to find a Xd that is less than $5k.. I want to do this same swap but would prefer a donor rather than buying piece by piece. Seems like nobody totals out their Xd around here

[ArmstrongRacing]

Ive seen several here in California but they are owned by auctions....around $3000 for a totaled xd.....Id rather buy a used xd, swap what I need to the yaris, then slowly rebuild the xd and sell it.

[LTHatch]

Wouldn't a 2zrfe corolla swap also work? Maybe the mounts and exhaust is different from the XD but it would a lot easier to find donors.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Yes a corolla donor would work for the engine and ecm, if you want to go that route

[fredovvti]

What cable you have to change?

[invader166]

This particular paragraf in an article i read cought my attention:

Using a Toyota 1.8-litre ‘2ZR-FE’ engine force-fed by a Magnuson supercharger, the new Elise S develops 217bhp at 6800rpm – the same maximum power figure as the fizzy old ‘SC’. But it also produces much more torque than the last fast Elise: 184lb ft at 4600rpm, up from 156lb ft at 5000rpm. And this from a*car*that still weighs plenty less than a tonne, even with fluids on board.

I can only imagine what kind of performance a Yaris can have with a supercharged 2ZR-FE...:drool:

[ArmstrongRacing]

What cable you have to change?

There are several wires that may need modification depending on your ecm/chassis. Stay tuned for a proper diy!

[kustomrtr]

The day has come, guys. Our dreams are becoming true!

[junorico24]

The day has come, guys. Our dreams are becoming true!


Is this engine found in the corolla here in Australia?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Is this engine found in the corolla here in Australia?

Yes it is.

[Sci]

So maybe the 2L 3ZR-FE will fit too then? :)

Might be hard to get a manual one (at least here in Aus)

[ArmstrongRacing]

So maybe the 2L 3ZR-FE will fit too then? :)

Might be hard to get a manual one (at least here in Aus)

Ive never seen a 3zr in person, but it looks similar.

[Sci]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/542878/Car/Engines/ZR/3ZR_1.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/542878/Car/Engines/ZR/3ZR_1-1.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/542878/Car/Engines/ZR/3ZR_1-2.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/542878/Car/Engines/ZR/3ZR_1-3.jpg

In Australia at least, best chance of getting a manual one of these is in the current series RAV4

[ArmstrongRacing]

That looks almost exactly like the 2zr...it should work also!

[7:34pm]

Wouldn't the current Yaris trans mount up anyway..?

[Sci]

Possibly, not sure. At any rate if you were doing a swap its going to be a lot simpler with a manual 3ZR ECU running a manual box than a CVT auto ECU not expecting to see a manual box....

[fnkngrv]

The question is what is the difference in weights and impact on front suspension as well as handling.

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[CTScott]

The question is what is the difference in weights and impact on front suspension as well as handling.

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The weight difference is negligible. I had the privilege of driving the 2ZR swapped Yaris of this thread during my CA trip this summer and was thoroughly impressed. The acceleration of it was better than that of my supercharged Yaris and easily on par with a 8-10 psi turbo Yaris. The handling was not degraded in the least.

[fnkngrv]

I was referring to the 3zr

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[fnkngrv]

What I think would be seriously cool would be a 2zr swap that is built running 15psi of boost

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[KTS]

I believe the 1nz with the blitz supercharger is heavier than the 2zr.

[CTScott]

I was referring to the 3zr

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Ah - Totally off topic for this thread. ~40 lbs heavier than the 2ZR for ~10 HP and ~13 ft lb torque increase. Would also not likely be a drop in replacement, as the 2ZR is.

[fnkngrv]

Yeah that dude from Australia had mentioned it since the 2zr isn't available apparently in his neck of the woods

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[Frank the Tank]

would there be a difference in installation between the this engine and the new 2zr-fAe?

[Bluevitz-rs]

would there be a difference in installation between the this engine and the new 2zr-fAe?

I think wiring would be the only difference.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I contacted the BAR recently to get the details on making this swap legal, so all of you guys understand just how easy this swap is...

They confirmed a 2zr swap is completely allowed into a Yaris within the same model years.
1.perform swap with all OE components
2.drive around for a while to confirm no check engine lights and emissions monitors set.
3.schedule appointment with state Referee for inspection.
...no need to change any 2zr ecm specs, its that easy!

[fnkngrv]

Legal?

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[ArmstrongRacing]

Legal?

Yes, for those of us residing in emissions regulated states. Every 2 years in California we must pass a emissions test, if I showed up with a 2zr without a BAR certification label....automatic fail.

[fnkngrv]

Forgot about that. Just another reason to not live in Cali.

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[ArmstrongRacing]

It's not a huge price to pay for great weather and endless opportunity! Haha. Back to the swap though, I am more than happy to jump through the legal hoops required to make our swaps 100% legitimate!

[fnkngrv]

More power to you for sure. I hear ya on hoops. The stuff I have to go thru to race what I do is a trip too. Best of luck and if this all pans out the way the hopes are it should hopefully be a boon for the community.

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[ArmstrongRacing]

My intention for everyone interested is to compile the components needed for a swap, perform the work, and go though the procedure together to legalize. It should take about 2 days to complete the work, then I can assist the owners through the legal portion, and provide a warranty.

[fnkngrv]

Sounds like you gave your ducks in a row.

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[ArmstrongRacing]

I have a investor interested in loaning me $10,000 to get started.....but I need to know some of you guys are interested. Can I get a checkin on everyone interested?

[CrankyOldMan]

I have a investor interested in loaning me $10,000 to get started.....but I need to know some of you guys are interested. Can I get a checkin on everyone interested?

What specific interest are you looking for? The thread has kind of wandered around of late. :thumbup:

[ArmstrongRacing]

How many people are seriously interested in having a 2zr swap dealer? Should I write up a estimate with itemized costs including labor times, parts, fluids, warranty & legal stipulations, ect.?

Or are most of you just interested in the information from a diy?

...either way Im going to need to purchase another 2zr to test fit with a Yaris transmission. This requires me to spend a couple thousand dollars of my own money to help the entire community progress.

[NYC-SE]

I would be interested in the details of the swap, but just for my own curiosity. I have no interest in actually doing this on my own car.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I apologize for not having the swap information on hand. We had 4 days to do a 2zr AND an auto-to-manual trans swap, so we were going 100mph living on red bull and pizza. I was up past midnight more than once researching the 2 engines wiring diagrams to make the 2zr engine run without any check engine lights. We did have some pictures taken but that was of the swap already completed.

[ilikerice]

I will be honest. There are many Yaris owners out there, and a very small percentage are willing to put more than 2k worth of parts on their car to make it fast. I don't believe you will get enough interest as a dealer to do this swap for people. Most are going to have a hard time trying to justify $2k for 30whp.

I believe the people of Yarisworld want a DIY write up so they can do it in their own garage or local tuner and have a parts list they can start gathering up over time. This is thier Daily Driven car and probably can't be without it more than a weekend, so doing this swap in 2 days is a must.

I am one of those who will do the swap in my own garage, I am just curious about the which wires that needed to be swapped and the immobilizer issue being that my yaris is a 2010.

[tmontague]

I'm with Rice on this one. I'd love a DIY outlining parts needed and electrical issues that need to be dealt w/. If I ever decided to drop the cash to do this swap it would be because I found a good deal on the motor and I have the info to get it over in a weekend w/ no CEL's.

[CrankyOldMan]

How many people are seriously interested in having a 2zr swap dealer? Should I write up a estimate with itemized costs including labor times, parts, fluids, warranty & legal stipulations, ect.?

Or are most of you just interested in the information from a diy?

For someone in an emissions testing state, I would think there would be some demand (maybe 1-2 a year) for a properly vetted and compliant install. For the rest of us, I think there would be more interest in documentation of the install. I'm not sure there's much commercial viability in selling "plans" for the swap, since a single PDF on the net will all but kill any chance of controlling distribution.

For a similar business model, there's a chap in the UK that does MR2 engine swaps. He offers everything from just the mounting brackets, up to a full turnkey solution from a donor vehicle/clip. It's not cheap, but there seems to be enough interest in it to keep him afloat for the last 10 years or so. Granted, the MR2 is a sports car with some pedigree, and a conservative swap nets you ~100 whp, so take it with a grain of salt.

It could also just be too early for the market--resale prices on the Yaris are still pretty strong, and the xD isn't readily available secondhand. When I look at the Autocross scene, most Honda Civic engine swaps are on cars that are 20+ years old. The original MR2 is 30+ years old, and people are still finding new engines to swap into it

...either way Im going to need to purchase another 2zr to test fit with a Yaris transmission. This requires me to spend a couple thousand dollars of my own money to help the entire community progress.

If you can get the stars to align, you may be able to just pull them from a you-wrench-it yard and bolt them up on site--unless you're talking about the full engine bay install and not just the mating of the gearbox to the engine.

[fredovvti]

Me want DIY!!! :headbang::headbang::burnrubber:

[Focus_Sh1ft]

I'm extremely interested in seeing a DIY for this.

If (when?) my motor goes, I'd seriously consider tossing in a 2ZR and retrofitting my turbo setup to the new motor.

Hell, even if I find a good deal on a motor and the swap isn't too cost / labor intensive, I'd probably pull the trigger anyway.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thank you for the feedback.

I dont want to control the information, Ive already created a list of parts needed in the beginning of this discussion. What I want is to use my sponsors help to accumulate the parts needed, and if there is enough interest we can get a better deal...like a group buy. If there is no real interest, then we just move on and hope the next guy that does this swap tries using a Yaris transmission....because that is the only uncertainty as of now.

[tmontague]

I can't remember if this was already answered, but if the Yaris Trans doesn't work then does the 2zr Trans direct fit into a Yaris.

Optimally you'd just keep the stock Yaris Trans and just mount in the new engine. If the price is reasonable then this is something i'd like to do down the road.

Is the stock 2zr really a big gain in performance over the 1nz? I know the hp increase and tq is good but my question is how does it run as a stock engine? I'm trying to get a feel for how a stock 2zr runs compared to my modded NA 1nz. My 1nz is a lot of fun to drive now and I don't want to give that up just for some extra ponies

[ArmstrongRacing]

The 2zr trans works, its what we used.

Check out post #68, Scott mentioned how well the 2zr performed when he drove the swapped yaris. The gains in stock form are roughly 30hp and 20ftlbs.

[tmontague]

So there is virtually no downfall to using the 2zr Trans other than a bit of extra work and cost. this looks like it would be an engine swap if all the mounts are the same and wiring is plug and play.

Where I live I wouldn't have to register the engine to pass an etest. As long as there are no CEL's then it's good to go as far as I know

[ArmstrongRacing]

When using a 2zr manual transmission you need the xd ABS module and wiring too...because there is no speed sensor on that transmission. Possibly the axles as well, and I think the gear ratios are taller.

[ilikerice]

I can't remember if this was already answered, but if the Yaris Trans doesn't work then does the 2zr Trans direct fit into a Yaris.

Optimally you'd just keep the stock Yaris Trans and just mount in the new engine. If the price is reasonable then this is something i'd like to do down the road.

Is the stock 2zr really a big gain in performance over the 1nz? I know the hp increase and tq is good but my question is how does it run as a stock engine? I'm trying to get a feel for how a stock 2zr runs compared to my modded NA 1nz. My 1nz is a lot of fun to drive now and I don't want to give that up just for some extra ponies

Remember now, the 2ZR is the same motor that is in the Yaris TS. So if you want to poke in that thread section for some questions answered, head there.

[Jason@SportsCar]

When using a 2zr manual transmission you need the xd ABS module and wiring too...because there is no speed sensor on that transmission. Possibly the axles as well, and I think the gear ratios are taller.

2012+ Yaris does not have a speed sensor on the trans either, pulls it from the ABS tone ring.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Oh thank you Jason, I didnt know that!

[CrankyOldMan]

When using a 2zr manual transmission you need the xd ABS module and wiring too...because there is no speed sensor on that transmission. Possibly the axles as well, and I think the gear ratios are taller.

Yes, if you get the xD gearbox, you need the xD axles. RagNaCat discovered that the differential is the larger one that's similar to the other 1.8L family. Not sure if they're direct swap from a Corolla or Matrix on the axle side, but the Celica and Matrix final drive ring gears go on the xD diff (and not the Yaris/xA/xB).

The speedo sensor hole looks to be the same on all of the C-series gearboxes I've encountered. Looking at the parts diagrams for the xD, the speedo gear is still installed on the differential. If that's the case, you should be able to drop a standard speedo sensor in the hole and keep your Yaris ECU, assuming you have the differential-based speedo in the first place. My 09 has it, and all of the other C-series gearboxes I've torn apart use what appears to be the same part. Looking at the compatibility of the speedo sensor (83181-12020) it's used on lots of stuff: "TOYOTA: 14 models, 905 variants between 1991 and 2013."

[Jason@SportsCar]

The speedo sensor hole looks to be the same on all of the C-series gearboxes I've encountered. Looking at the parts diagrams for the xD, the speedo gear is still installed on the differential. If that's the case, you should be able to drop a standard speedo sensor in the hole and keep your Yaris ECU, assuming you have the differential-based speedo in the first place. My 09 has it, and all of the other C-series gearboxes I've torn apart use what appears to be the same part. Looking at the compatibility of the speedo sensor (83181-12020) it's used on lots of stuff: "TOYOTA: 14 models, 905 variants between 1991 and 2013."

The speedo hole was there on the 2012, just capped off, but I don't recall the plastic speedo driven gear being on the diff carrier.

[CrankyOldMan]

The speedo hole was there on the 2012, just capped off, but I don't recall the plastic speedo driven gear being on the diff carrier.
Hmm. I guess it wouldn't serve any purpose, since the bearing seats against the diff carrier itself, but it's still shown in the xD parts diagrams.

[ArmstrongRacing]

2012+ Yaris does not have a speed sensor on the trans either, pulls it from the ABS tone ring.

This would make the 2zr swap so much easier...are the 2012+ 1nz's using a micro MAF sensor too?....that would be a direct swap with no wiring changes!

[LTHatch]

How do you go about checking if its a micro maf? I'll take a look at mine.

[Jason@SportsCar]

This would make the 2zr swap so much easier...are the 2012+ 1nz's using a micro MAF sensor too?....that would be a direct swap with no wiring changes!

MAF sensor is the same from 2007-2015. The thing that could hurt your swap on a 2012+ is the ECU and harness plugs, they are different. When we built the 2015 it was easier to swap the entire harness from the 2007 versus rewiring. If you can use the Yaris ECU and engine harness on the 2ZR you should be able to put it in any year car.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Interesting. I dont know that a pre-12' chassis harness would work on a 12+ though...its .not likely due to all of the interior changes. If someone becomes interested, Ill need to get a copy of the 12'+ wiring diagrams to come up with a solution.

[maralieus]

Thanks for the support!

Because this project was a auto > manual trans conversion also, we used the Xd manual trans and axles. Ive heard from many sources that the 1nz and 2zr bell housings are compatible, but I wont have a final answer untill I source another 2zr for my personal car.

The ECU came from the Xd also.

Wow this is great news considering my 07 will be ready for a rebuild and new tranny on the next couple years, I can plan towards this instead! Great work and thanks for finding such an easy swap!

[ArmstrongRacing]

Yes, if you get the xD gearbox, you need the xD axles. RagNaCat discovered that the differential is the larger one that's similar to the other 1.8L family. Not sure if they're direct swap from a Corolla or Matrix on the axle side, but the Celica and Matrix final drive ring gears go on the xD diff (and not the Yaris/xA/xB).

I just did a bit of reading and I "think" what I've found is that the Yaris transmission(C54?) AND the XD transmission(C50?) have the same gear ratios, the only difference is the final drive. The XD has a 3.94 while the Yaris has a 3.72. So in theory the XD gearbox will give you a bit more acceleration.

I'm still unsure if the Yaris Tsport has a 5 or 6 speed though, the Internet has conflicting information...

[CrankyOldMan]

I just did a bit of reading and I "think" what I've found is that the Yaris transmission(C54?) AND the XD transmission(C50?) have the same gear ratios, the only difference is the final drive. The XD has a 3.94 while the Yaris has a 3.72. So in theory the XD gearbox will give you a bit more acceleration.

I'm still unsure if the Yaris Tsport has a 5 or 6 speed though, the Internet has conflicting information...

The US Yaris has the C50 as well, but uses a different differential carrier. Other than that, the gears themselves should be the same (part numbers and everything). There are some global variants of the Yaris that use a C53 or C54 gearbox, but they should have the same bell housing bolt pattern and mount bosses.:smile:

There's a few variants that use the EC67 gearbox, but it's very different from the C50. The slave cylinder is directly on the throwout bearing, and the hydraulic hard lines are different. The case is also 2-piece instead of 3. Here's an eBay UK listing (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-AVENSIS-GEARBOX-Manual-2-0-D4D-Diesel-2003-2009/131428598960?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D33844%26meid%3Dbc67ccd13cff43e99aaae5b4033b 22a0%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D172 020396812) of a similar gearbox.

[ArmstrongRacing]

So what would be the ideal transmission for those interested in a 2zr swap AND a auto>manual trans swap? Can we do a pros VS cons on the available transmission choices?

[CrankyOldMan]

So what would be the ideal transmission for those interested in a 2zr swap AND a auto>manual trans swap? Can we do a pros VS cons on the available transmission choices?

Sounds good to me! Perhaps include a "bravery" rating as well, since some options would include non-trivial modifications to the drivetrain?

Stock Yaris C50 - Bravery: Sir Robin
Pro

Keep stock axles and mounts
Direct fit
Final drive is taller: higher top end speed in each gear

Con

May be limited in power handling above 150 whp (axles)
Final drive is taller: less torque/acceleration in each gear


Stock xD C50 - Bravery: Sir Galahad
Pro

Keep stock axles and mounts from xD
Direct fit
Final drive is shorter: better acceleration in each gear

Con

Must use axles from xD
Final drive is shorter: lower top end speed in each gear


Custom gearbox internals - Bravery: Black Knight
Pro

Get the ratios you want for almost every gear
Get the final drive ratio that works for your application
Excellent opportunity to add limited slip

Con

Requires mechanical knowhow and proper tools (the service manual is one of them!)
Can be VERY expensive to source new OEM parts
Can be LUDICROUSLY expensive to source aftermarket parts
Will require extended downtime to build the gearbox, can be worked around by getting a donor gearbox and building it before the swap

[ArmstrongRacing]

^that is awesome! Thank you!

Im also starting to contact the Lotus guys to see how the 2zr handles track abuse and if it needs cooling upgrades

[3cyltrbo]

^that is awesome! Thank you!

Im also starting to contact the Lotus guys to see how the 2zr handles track abuse and if it needs cooling upgrades

Like so many other people that have posted, I'd be up for getting information on the order of a DIY.......

I'm in the frozen north, land of Igloos and Universal Health Care............so having a paid swap done in the USA is out of the question.

This seems a little bit easier than a K20 swap

Will

[ArmstrongRacing]

Like so many other people that have posted, I'd be up for getting information on the order of a DIY

UPDATE: Ive completed my move to San Diego and have started searching for 2zrfe's. Ive found a few at dismantlers out of Corollas for $850-1000....but not complete engines. I will be purchasing one of the longblocks to test fit with a Yaris clutch and transmissions asap.

[CoryM]

I've been watching this post from the start and have been wondering if there is a more common (AKA cheaper) LSD option for the XD? Or another trans that bolts in?

Also, good job on the swap!

[CrankyOldMan]

I've been watching this post from the start and have been wondering if there is a more common (AKA cheaper) LSD option for the XD? Or another trans that bolts in?
Generally, no. The "cheapest" option is a Phantom Grip, which still runs a few hundred dollars and requires complete disassembly of the stock differential to install. There was an OBX-made torsen style that was hit or miss for being a grenade for around US$700 iirc, but I haven't looked for them recently. You might be able to find an OEM LSD in a junkyard if the stars all align for you, but I use US$1000 as the benchmark for adding limited slip of any kind that isn't going to be a gamble down the road.

[ArmstrongRacing]

^What oem lsd are you referring to?

[CoryM]

Generally, no. The "cheapest" option is a Phantom Grip, which still runs a few hundred dollars and requires complete disassembly of the stock differential to install. There was an OBX-made torsen style that was hit or miss for being a grenade for around US$700 iirc, but I haven't looked for them recently. You might be able to find an OEM LSD in a junkyard if the stars all align for you, but I use US$1000 as the benchmark for adding limited slip of any kind that isn't going to be a gamble down the road.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, that's the price range I was finding as well. I just can't justify spending that on my Yaris even though it would make a world of difference. If I could do an easy motor swap, get more power/torque and LSD I'd be all over that though. As is, I give you guys credit for the work you've been doing; trying new things is what hot-rodding is all about.

Cheers

[ArmstrongRacing]

... If I could do an easy motor swap, get more power/torque and LSD I'd be all over that though.

This is exactly my plan with my personal 2zr swap. I have a spare Yaris trans I will upgrade with the Xb final drive and a LSD....given That the yaris trans works with the 2zr.

[beaker]

For what it's worth:

On toyodiy.com

2008 Toyota Yaris NCP91 with a 1NZFE 1.5 Liter engine, uses a C50 manual trans part # 30300-52360.

2008 Scion XD ZSP110 with a 2ZRFE 1.8 Liter engine, uses a C50 manual trans part # 30300-52360.

Same trans, so my guess would be that a Yaris trans will bolt to the 2ZRFE engine, or at least in this case.

I've got a 2007 Yaris with an auto, and if I did this swap, would go consider going manual, but the manual trans part number for my year is a 30300-52510. I bet the difference has to do with VSS sensor vs. getting speed off of ABS, as my car doesn't have ABS.

Checked the auto trans part #s, they are different from a Yaris and a XD.

I'm just wondering if you can run the Yaris computer with the 2ZRFE, or if you have to swap out with an XD computer?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Wow...thats more evidence suggesting compatibility. Thank you.

Anytime you swap Toyota engines you are required to swap in that corresponding ecm. And yes the 2zrfe uses a different auto trans, I haven't looked into why though

[fnkngrv]

If someone was in the market for a used Yaris and they did it smartly depending on how much equity they could have in the purchase it would be smart to roll the swap right into the note ;-)

Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk

[3cyltrbo]

sooooo........................................why aren't we also talking about the 2Litre- 3ZR-FE ?

Is it because its not as readily available in North America?

Does anyone (CTScott???) know if it is dimensionally the same as the 2ZR ? (ie:, is it just a bored and stroked 2ZR?)

Either way, I'm still anxious for more information because I was thinking about some other "next level" mods for my 1nz-fe, and it seems more cost effective to put that investment into a swap.

Will

[ArmstrongRacing]

sooooo........................................why aren't we also talking about the 2Litre- 3ZR-FE ?

Is it because its not as readily available in North America?

We briefly discussed the 3zr, and yes it will probably work but like you said...its not available in the US. The 2zrfae just now showed up here and it was developed in 2010!

[3cyltrbo]

We briefly discussed the 3zr, and yes it will probably work but like you said...its not available in the US. The 2zrfae just now showed up here and it was developed in 2010!

If I had some assurance that the 2 litre was the same (externally) as the 1.8, and if I knew that it would bolt up to the 1nzfe tranny (like its looking the 1.8 will) than I would almost go through the effort of importing the 2litre (I know a guy :wink: ) ......................................

Will

[Bluevitz-rs]

If I had some assurance that the 2 litre was the same (externally) as the 1.8, and if I knew that it would bolt up to the 1nzfe tranny (like its looking the 1.8 will) than I would almost go through the effort of importing the 2litre (I know a guy :wink: ) ......................................

Will

1ZR, 2ZR and 3ZR are more than likely the same as 1NZ and 2NZ. They're all different displacement but otherwise use the same parts. Unlike the 1ZZ and 2ZZ in which are totally different engines.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I don't believe the 3zr at 150hp is worth the additional effort, and it would not be a legal option. The 2zr has n/a bolt-on potential to 150hp, or you can boost it like Lotus does

[3cyltrbo]

I don't believe the 3zr at 150hp is worth the additional effort, and it would not be a legal option.

Up here in the land of Igloos / clean water and Universal Health care, "Legal" engine swap is not really on our Radar.

All we have to do for "Emissions Testing" is to plug a scan tool into the OBD port and check for CEL codes. Thats it.

They don't even run sniff tests anymore (for tail-pipe emissions).

I literally have one friend of mine that has a Stand-Alone ECU that runs his car, but just for shits and giggles he keeps a bogus ecu powered up and "properly" setup in the car (Connected to the OBD port) just so that when he has to get a "DriveClean test" (only once every two years), he just takes it to the testing facility , they connect their scan tool - they see that there is an ECU present.. that isn't throwing codes and thats it.

I could frankly install just about any motor I wanted as long as it gave a reading through the OBD port and it didn't show a code DURING the test.


Now back to our regularly scheduled engine swap discussion.

[3cyltrbo]

The 2zr has n/a bolt-on potential to 150hp, or you can boost it like Lotus does

My thinking with the 2 litre, is the extra torque and the effect that mods would have.

I agree that the 1.8 can be modded (NA), but I'm just thinking that there is no replacement for displacement and the 2 litre would have some nice torque.

?

[3cyltrbo]

1ZR, 2ZR and 3ZR are more than likely the same as 1NZ and 2NZ. They're all different displacement but otherwise use the same parts. Unlike the 1ZZ and 2ZZ in which are totally different engines.

thank you, this is reassuring (and I know that you know your stuff)

Will

[fnkngrv]

Let's stay on track with the OP. His whole goal is to have a legal way in his state to be able to perform a 2zr swap. The 3zr is our of scope and most likely will never be addressed by folks here as isn't worth the time, money, or efforts for the minor bump in hp/tq over the 2zr.

Sent from m-o-b-i-l-e

[CrankyOldMan]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=386_438&products_id=2268

[ArmstrongRacing]

I understand that a 2.0L has that extra displacement, and I would welcome anyone to try the 3zr swap just to be the first. Its a good idea, just not practical like the 2zr is.

...on another note, all of you should pay close attention to this thread. This swap just got kicked into high gear....El Nino floods resulted in the premature death of my 1NZ today...

[ilikerice]

I understand that a 2.0L has that extra displacement, and I would welcome anyone to try the 3zr swap just to be the first. Its a good idea, just not practical like the 2zr is.

...on another note, all of you should pay close attention to this thread. This swap just got kicked into high gear....El Nino floods resulted in the premature death of my 1NZ today...

Noooo.... Yaaaaaay... Noooo... Yaaaaay....

I have mixed feelings about that

[ArmstrongRacing]

Me too.....I guess I had a good run though. 184,000 miles with track days, mountain runs, roadtrips, and autocross. Im going to call my insurance company today and see if flood related damage is covered.

[3cyltrbo]

Me too.....I guess I had a good run though. 184,000 miles with track days, mountain runs, roadtrips, and autocross. Im going to call my insurance company today and see if flood related damage is covered.

Dude

Sorry to hear about your 1nzfe (and potentially your car)

Will

[ern-diz]

I understand that a 2.0L has that extra displacement, and I would welcome anyone to try the 3zr swap just to be the first. Its a good idea, just not practical like the 2zr is.

...on another note, all of you should pay close attention to this thread. This swap just got kicked into high gear....El Nino floods resulted in the premature death of my 1NZ today...

Ugh, what a bummer. Hope things work out for the best.

Stay safe out there everyone.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I have found a 2zr out of a 2013 Corolla with 34k. Once the insurance company does their thing and I get a check....the swap begins....hopefully in the next few days.

[fredovvti]

Pleaseeeeee!!! A DIY!!!

Sorry for the lost

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Sorry to hear about the flood damage. :iono:

Am I right to assume you're not going to be using the 1NZ transmission now?

[ArmstrongRacing]

I have a spare transmission, and I dont think the trans is damaged. Ill just do a fluid change.

[3cyltrbo]

have we talked about the Scion IM 6spd and if it would fit the 2ZR?

[Bluevitz-rs]

have we talked about the Scion IM 6spd and if it would fit the 2ZR?

the question should be would the 6spd fit the Yaris. The iM uses a 2ZR to begin with.

[ArmstrongRacing]

have we talked about the Scion IM 6spd and if it would fit the 2ZR?

We have not, but I believe its the same 6spd in the newer corolla....witch has a 2zr also. Im pretty sure its compatible

[3cyltrbo]

sorry I got lost in the details, I thought the 2zr-fae was different than the 2zr-fe?

[ArmstrongRacing]

The only significant difference is they increased compression from 10:1 to 10.5:1(Edit: and Valvematic). Otherwise they are almost identical

[Bluevitz-rs]

The only significant difference is they increased compression from 10:1 to 10.5:1. Otherwise they are almost identical

And the MAJOR fact that it uses a different head and valve system to control RPM not a throttle body.

[Bluevitz-rs]

sorry I got lost in the details, I thought the 2zr-fae was different than the 2zr-fe?

The blocks should be nearly identical, it's the head and valve train that differ.

[ArmstrongRacing]

And the MAJOR fact that it uses a different head and valve system to control RPM not a throttle body.

.... the question was about transmission compatibility haha....but thanks for the info!

[ArmstrongRacing]

Started disassembly today

[Bluevitz-rs]

Is the car stuck in a lot right now, or is this where you work...??

[CrankyOldMan]

It's an automatic? So sad. =P

On a semi-related note, the engine harness ECU pinout for the xD is wildly different from the Yaris. Like, 99% incompatible. I haven't documented the smaller connector yet, but it will likely be different, too.

The actual component connectors, however, seem to be identical, if named/numbered differently. E.g. the engine bay wire harness ECU connector is C20 in the Yaris, but C19 in the xD.

Edit: just compared the connections on the 60-pin ECU side--about 90% incompatible. Both connectors are incompatible in possibly catastrophic ways for the ECU. Moral of the story: DON'T SWAP ECUs WITHOUT SWAPPING WIRE HARNESSES!

[ArmstrongRacing]

Im a Tech at the dealership...

Yes it is a auto, because its my only car and Im not trying to teach my pregnant wife manual.....i have a 5spd on standby for when we have a second car.

We swap everything over from the Xd, EVERYTHING lol.

Regarding the diy...do I need to include pulling the 1nz? Or just the assembly and install of the 2zr?

[Frank the Tank]

Just a quick question regarding swaps since that's the subject here

Why doesn't anyone swap the 2zz into the yaris?

Edit: the more information the better

[fredovvti]

I think only assembly and install of the 2zr. There are manuals and videos in the web to how dessembly de 1nz.

[Bluevitz-rs]

Just a quick question regarding swaps since that's the subject here

Why doesn't anyone swap the 2zz into the yaris?

Edit: the more information the better

It's not a "Bolt In" able swap. You'd need to do some major fabrication to get it to fit.

[Rigaud]

It's not a "Bolt In" able swap. You'd need to do some major fabrication to get it to fit.
That and it's NOT a plug and play for the ECU. Been done with success by some in Europe and Asia. Crazy motor but a big project for those who dare.

[ArmstrongRacing]

It's not a "Bolt In" able swap. You'd need to do some major fabrication to get it to fit.

AND the fact that the 2zz is crazy expensive....I actually considered this swap before the 2zr untill I added up all the related costs. $2000+!

[3cyltrbo]

It's an automatic? So sad. =P

On a semi-related note, the engine harness ECU pinout for the xD is wildly different from the Yaris. Like, 99% incompatible. I haven't documented the smaller connector yet, but it will likely be different, too.

The actual component connectors, however, seem to be identical, if named/numbered differently. E.g. the engine bay wire harness ECU connector is C20 in the Yaris, but C19 in the xD.

Edit: just compared the connections on the 60-pin ECU side--about 90% incompatible. Both connectors are incompatible in possibly catastrophic ways for the ECU. Moral of the story: DON'T SWAP ECUs WITHOUT SWAPPING WIRE HARNESSES!

Huh?............maybe I was drunk with optimism, but I thought it was as simple (basically speaking) as

unplug and remove 1nz
plug and install 2zr

=enjoy 30whp+ gain

whats all this talk about the wiring being 99% incompatible ?????

:help:

:iono:

:eek:

[ArmstrongRacing]

@Crankyoldman was referring to using the 1nz harness on the 2zr. I never once suggested that, Ive said from the beginning to use everything from the 2zr. The 2zr engine harness plugs into the 2zr ecm on one end along with the chassis harness, and it plugs into the fuse box at the other end. Sinmple.

[Dark Paw]

👀

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Focus on the swap and assembly, don't worry about a guide for pulling the motor.

Is the 2ZR ECU mounted in the engine bay in the XD? Regardless, is there a reasonable way to mount it in the engine bay in the Yaris?

[ArmstrongRacing]

2zr ecm mounts in the exact same way as the 1nz ecm.

[ArmstrongRacing]

1nz powertrain is out...

[ArmstrongRacing]

void

[ArmstrongRacing]

Insurance claim went through and Ill be receiving a check for a "recycled" engine soon......that recycled engine will be the 2zr....so standby guys. Im not rich so I will have to take from my savings and get help from friends to get this swap going.

[ilikerice]

It's like a Phoenix, rising from the ashes.. haha. From something bad happening comes something greater..

Good luck, can't wait to see this swap take action.

[tmontague]

nice boxer engine ;)

Looking forward to hearing more about the new build

[ArmstrongRacing]

Question: when the 2zr gets here, where should I start the diy thread?

[tmontague]

I vote to place it in the performance area. People doing this are doing so due to increase in performance

[ArmstrongRacing]

I vote to place it in the performance area. People doing this are doing so due to increase in performance

I agree. The 2zr should be here tomorrow.

[yarisugi]

Q: Where does a member doing a 2ZR-FE swap into a Yaris start his DIY thread?

A: Anywhere he wants!

[fnkngrv]

Yup, I would start a thread called "2zr engine swap guide" under performance. This is purely for performance. I will be interesting to see over some time as well what the fuel economy would be for those really concerned about it.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thats a good point about fuel economy....I guess I could start a fuel consumption log.....but I'm telling you now, my first month with this engine will be lots of wot

[fnkngrv]

I am sure it will be. Having a fuel log however for many folks especially with an econobox like this will most likely be beneficial to having them buy off on doing the swap and possible future business. Believe it or not I have people ask me all the time what my fuel economy is with my setup and then tend to start making comments about the trade-off of bigger power vs fuel.

Sent from m-o-b-i-l-e

[ArmstrongRacing]

Well my 07 yaris is rated at 34/40...
..a 11 Corolla is rated at 26/34...

If you simply average these numbers its 30/37.

My car is much lighter than average so the results may not be the same for others.

[CrankyOldMan]

...but I'm telling you now, my first month with this engine will be lots of wot
This.
My car is much lighter than average so the results may not be the same for others.

How much is "much lighter"? =P

Here's the curb weight and fuel economy of the other 2ZR platforms compared to the Yaris:
2010 Yaris 2dr, 2311 lbs, 29/36 (MT)
2010 xD, 2624 lbs, 27/33 (MT)
2010 Corolla, 2723 lbs, 26/35 (MT)
2010 Vibe, 2856 lbs, 26/32 (MT)
2010 Matrix, 2865 lbs, 26/32 (MT)

For reference, my 2dr--with a Blitz, 1ZZ injectors, CAI, 1ZZ throttle body, 195/50R15 summer tires and stock exhaust--averages around 27 commuting on back roads, 25 highway, and 20 highway pulling my race trailer. Even if the 2ZR has 130 bhp compared to the estimated 140 bhp of the Blitz setup, not having to run open loop under any real engine load means significant fuel savings, plus it runs on 85 octane instead of premium (91-93).

As much as I love the sound of the Blitz and the weird looks it draws, the 2ZR seems like a MUCH better mod for a daily driver looking for more zoom. As such, I'm seriously contemplating doing the 2ZR in my daily and moving the S/C 1NZ to the aging MR2 plaything.

[ArmstrongRacing]

At last years prosolo I rolled onto their scales and I was 2270.

[CrankyOldMan]

At last years prosolo I rolled onto their scales and I was 2270.

With driver? If that's the case, I would be pushing 2700 (including fuel and the S/C).

[ArmstrongRacing]

Without driver, 1gal of fuel.

[ArmstrongRacing]

2zr just arrived!

[xnamerxx]

Just for reference I was 2140 at the 2014 El Toro nationals.

[CoryM]

I'm trying to avoid the urge to be abusive to my 1NZ now. Because if it breaks, I may as well do a swap right? :laugh:

If someone found an available OE LSD trans that bolts in, I'd likely be in on this swap as well. Good luck as you go through the swap!

[invader166]

I'm trying to avoid the urge to be abusive to my 1NZ now. Because if it breaks, I may as well do a swap right?

If you ever do, let me know, i'd love to stop by and see it. Maybe help out with a thing or two. :wink:

[7:34pm]

I'm trying to avoid the urge to be abusive to my 1NZ now. Because if it breaks, I may as well do a swap right? :laugh:

If someone found an available OE LSD trans that bolts in, I'd likely be in on this swap as well. Good luck as you go through the swap!

If you ever do, let me know, i'd love to stop by and see it. Maybe help out with a thing or two. :wink:
If either of you ever do, also let me know :biggrin:

[fnkngrv]

We will be working to get a car for our son in the next six months and honestly this would be a cool swap to do if I could get an 07-09 for a low enough price to add the swap into the note on it ;-). We should be living in the Dallas area by then and traffic moves much faster than here.

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[CrankyOldMan]

Armstrong--If you have a few spare hours and maybe $50, could you visit a local junk yard see if one of the old 1ZZ aluminum tube manifolds will bolt up to the 2ZR? I know the throttle body is wrong, I'm more interested in the flange bolt pattern. Pic related.

[xnamerxx]

I'm trying to avoid the urge to be abusive to my 1NZ now. Because if it breaks, I may as well do a swap right? :laugh:

If someone found an available OE LSD trans that bolts in, I'd likely be in on this swap as well. Good luck as you go through the swap!

The c56 transmission found in the MR2 should bolt up, but shift linkage would need to be modified. Those transmissions are quite rare and expensive though.

[Bluevitz-rs]

The c56 transmission found in the MR2 should bolt up, but shift linkage would need to be modified. Those transmissions are quite rare and expensive though.


I think they were in the 7th gen Celica as well.


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[ncp13]

I just read the whole thread :)

Any news on the swap?

I am trying to find out if the C56 trans of my 2001 Yaris TS will accept the 2ZR family engine :)


BTW for anyone interested on factory LSD

Factory LSD for C56-C154 trans p/n 41301-12190 lists 630e + tax

[ncp13]

I have a 1nz block next to a 2zr block.

It looks like my c56 will mate to the 2zr :thumbsup:

Left block is a 1NZ .

[ArmstrongRacing]

I have a 1nz block next to a 2zr block.

It looks like my c56 will mate to the 2zr :thumbsup:

Left block is a 1NZ .

The main differences in the transmissions for these engines was not the bolt pattern, its the starter location. Checkout my 6-speed swap tutorial

[thebarber]

my wife wants a 2zr yaris for her next DD....cranky...wanna help?

[ArmstrongRacing]

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