The 2zr-fe engine swap guide

[tmontague]

I've been looking forward to that video for a while! Let us know when it's put up

[ArmstrongRacing]

I think it takes a week to air, I'll keep you guys updated. It was so awesome, he made some bold statements about how fast the car is through the canyon!

[Frank the Tank]

Sic

[MugenRep]

I think it takes a week to air, I'll keep you guys updated. It was so awesome, he made some bold statements about how fast the car is through the canyon!

Excited to see this....

[brushforhire]

Very, very cool! So glad to see yaris love happening like this. Hopefully it will spark new interest in these cars.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Just a little update by SCC

http://www.subcompactculture.com/2016/05/armstrong-racings-2zr-fe-powered-yaris.html?m=1

[brushforhire]

So cool man, I feel like I am living vicariously through you. LoL. I hope to hit up some autocross soon.

[20yaris12]

Can the 2zr fe swap also be done in a 2012 Yaris, ncp131 ?
If so, will the cv shafts all be able to be used, I'm interested in this build?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Can the 2zr fe swap also be done in a 2012 Yaris, ncp131 ?
If so, will the cv shafts all be able to be used, I'm interested in this build?

I'm not sure, I've heard the ECM and chassis harness is different so all of the wiring research would need to be done. Does anyone have the 2012 diagrams yet?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thread updated with the Xd transmission mount also, but the center dog bone mount must remain a Yaris part.

The auto trans swap didn't require this, but the manual transmission does

[CrankyOldMan]

On my 09 HB, the mounts have to ALL be xD to make it work right. I didn't get the bracket that holds the dog bone to the gearbox, and it doesn't line up. I called the dealership to order a new one, and they show zero inventory in the US. They didn't even know if it could be sourced, but they would place an order and see what happens.

The remedy in the meantime was to get one bolt to line up and then force the bracket over to get two more. The one behind the dogbone is off by several mm, and won't line up.

[ArmstrongRacing]

That is strange indeed.

My 2zr and Yaris C50 power train has the Xd engine mount, the Yaris bottom dogbone and bracket.....but needs the Xd trans mount still because my Yaris mount had to be forced over

[ArmstrongRacing]

Notice how the bolt is all the way to the left, because the Yaris trans mount does not fit properly with the 2zr

[tmontague]

Armstrong I'm looking at this swap again to get a better idea of parts I'll need and I have a couple Q's for you:

What engine/trans mounts do I need to use a Yaris m/t with 2zr engine? My understanding now is that I'll need the xD engine mount (passenger side) and the drivers side trans mount, but I can leave the Yaris dogbone and bracket? Will this set up allow me to still use the Yaris shift cables?

In regards to my ECU since I'd like to keep the immobilizer option I plan on running a xD ECU, xD immobilizer and I'll have to get a locksmith to program new keys for the xD immobilizer. The other option is to cut the brown k line to the ecu and go with no immobilizer and use my stock keys (cost less $) and still hasn't been tested to work.

Thanks

[CrankyOldMan]

Armstrong I'm looking at this swap again to get a better idea of parts I'll need and I have a couple Q's for you:

What engine/trans mounts do I need to use a Yaris m/t with 2zr engine? My understanding now is that I'll need the xD engine mount (passenger side) and the drivers side trans mount, but I can leave the Yaris dogbone and bracket? Will this set up allow me to still use the Yaris shift cables?

In regards to my ECU since I'd like to keep the immobilizer option I plan on running a xD ECU, xD immobilizer and I'll have to get a locksmith to program new keys for the xD immobilizer. The other option is to cut the brown k line to the ecu and go with no immobilizer and use my stock keys (cost less $) and still hasn't been tested to work.

Thanks

You can make the Yaris dogbone bracket work with the xD dogbone, but it's misaligned. You really do need all six mount parts (2x passenger, 2x driver, 2x transmission) to do it right. The xD dogbone bracket has to be ordered from Japan (not in stock anywhere in the US) and takes at least a month to be delivered. I used the xD cables in mine (and they're a little long) but I think Armstrong was able to use the Yaris cables in his. Frogger said that he had issues with the yaris cables being torn out because they were too short.

The ECU immobilizer will be untested territory, as far as I know. Please let us know how it works out!

[tmontague]

Why 6 mount parts? Assuming you replace the doggone as well would that not be 3?

I'm curious as to how Armstrong's cables aligned now that he has essentially the same set up (sans immobilizer) that I plan on running; sedan, 1nz trans, w/ Gatos cables and just a driver and passenger side 2zr mount replacement

[CrankyOldMan]

Each mount is actually two parts--a bracket on the engine/trans and the isolator on the body/subframe.

Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk

[ArmstrongRacing]

The debate and research on 2zr swap mounts has led me to this conclusion so far:

Sedan
1) The RH Xd ENGINE mount and bracket
2) The LH Xd rubber TRANSMISSION mount part only
3) The Yaris dogbone mount stays
LB
1) ALL xd mounts

Cranky and I compared several measurements and it seems like there is a slight difference in how our engines sat in the engine bay. I recommend going the sedan route and then test fitting the dog bone first...

My Yaris shift cables work perfectly and don't seemed to be stretched at all

[Frank the Tank]

You posted something about a 2.0l rav4 engine on your Facebook page.

Would that fit? And would it be roughly the same process as this swap?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Yes the 3zrfe has almost the same demensions as the 2zr, The limiting factor being the ECM

[3cyltrbo]

Yes the 3zrfe has almost the same demensions as the 2zr, The limiting factor being the ECM

you have my interest piqued

can you explain a little bit what makes the ECM the limiting factor?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Because we don't have a USDM 3zrfe, I have no service manuals for it either to verify wiring compatibility

[ArmstrongRacing]

*With the help of other YW members, I have started a collection of 2ZRFE parts to make everyones swap a little easier, just contact me for details!*

[jimmykicker]

Ok. This is a hijack but guys I am stuck! I have a Scion xD 5 speed and the transmission has given up the ghost. Replacement transmissions are incredibly expensive or impossible to source. I have been chatting with a fella that said that the Yaris is bolt in although it is a little lighter duty and requires the Yaris axles that it should otherwise fit without modification. I'm in a real right here and really need your expertise. Please forgive the hijack. It just looks like a good active thread.

Thanks in advance.

[CrankyOldMan]

Ok. This is a hijack but guys I am stuck! I have a Scion xD 5 speed and the transmission has given up the ghost. Replacement transmissions are incredibly expensive or impossible to source. I have been chatting with a fella that said that the Yaris is bolt in although it is a little lighter duty and requires the Yaris axles that it should otherwise fit without modification. I'm in a real right here and really need your expertise. Please forgive the hijack. It just looks like a good active thread.

Thanks in advance.

You'd be better off starting a new thread (mods, can you move the post?) so that the info doesn't get diluted. Yes, this is a very active community and this thread in particular has been hot over the last year. ;)

That said... Do you know what is specifically wrong with it? The only difference internally that I'm aware of is the differential and ring gear. If it's the synchros or one of the gear sets, you can (I'm 99% sure) use a Yaris as a donor for parts. If you swap the whole gearbox, you will indeed have to use Yaris axles, but that puts you in the bind of having to swap hubs and brakes--not something for the timid. You might be able to use the inboard stubs from the Yaris with the xD shafts, but that's uncharted territory.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Honestly I would just fix your trans, these gearboxes are simple. (Heading over to thread to comment)

[ArmstrongRacing]

An update for those following...

https://youtu.be/IPyHlPJDrOM

[ArmstrongRacing]

UPDATE:

Our first autocross test day was a success, the car is so quick now!!

https://youtu.be/eniW1ZNv20k

[ern-diz]

The production value / editing in your vids has consistently improved; nice job.

[CrankyOldMan]

Are you running as E Prep, or is that for SCCA club racing with E Production?

[ArmstrongRacing]

EP Because the car has no interior. I regret removing it but after 10 years of daily driving with kids, it was pretty trashed. Plus with it gone the cage install will be easier

[CrankyOldMan]

I can't find the part in EP that allows engine replacement. =P

[ArmstrongRacing]

Yeah....I just got a message about that on FB.....even though I asked several people I guess it's still not correct....but it's arguable because it's a Toyota engine....If I must put it to XP that's fine too.

[CrankyOldMan]

I think it would just be E Mod. /iono

[ArmstrongRacing]

Ok. So after discussing the classes with other seasoned veterans, We are going with XP

[CrankyOldMan]

Ok. So after discussing the classes with other seasoned veterans, We are going with XP

Lol, can you even get trophy points for that? :D

[Bluevitz-rs]

Ok. So after discussing the classes with other seasoned veterans, We are going with XP

I'm more of a Mac guy but I've found Windows 7 is a pretty good upgrade from XP

[ern-diz]

I'm more of a Mac guy but I've found Windows 7 is a pretty good upgrade from XP

:laugh:

[Jason@SportsCar]

Ok. So after discussing the classes with other seasoned veterans, We are going with XP

Depending on what tires you are using you have the option of the local classes, like SU in San Diego and CSM/CST with Cal Club.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I'm more of a Mac guy but I've found Windows 7 is a pretty good upgrade from XP

Buahahaha good one.

Classing for autocross at this point seems a bit rediculous. Some say I should be in Emod, witch contains sub 2000lb cars with tons of horsepower...But if we look at my car it's still running Focus ST times....it's weird

What did you guys think of the exhaust sound? That's the RPM long tube header

[ArmstrongRacing]

Check out the latest DIY video...

https://youtu.be/ZS7tuDpzQxg

[tmontague]

Great editing Tom, really coming along with the videos. And solid choice in background music, who was that btw, it was a good tune?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thanks man! My wife does the editing now, she has the vision for what YouTube videos should be. I was terrible at if if you look far enough back haha. All of the audio we use is supplied by YouTube and it's free! This sound track was called "Foundation"

[ezhacker1]

Very nice.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I signed up for Toyotafest today! Hope to see you guys there

[ern-diz]

I signed up for Toyotafest today! Hope to see you guys there

Awesome! Dabbu, @rohvitz (from Instagram) and myself are all registered. There's a post in the California section.

Looking forward to seeing you, and your beast of a Vios there, man.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Awesome! I hope they put us all together. This is gonna be fun!

[ern-diz]

Awesome! I hope they put us all together. This is gonna be fun!

From what I've been told by @rohvitz (who also entered last year), they do group models together.

We'll be on Yaris row!

[ezhacker1]

Hope you guys get enough cars to be in your own section

[ArmstrongRacing]

Wow maybe we will have awards for best Yaris this time and the Priuses can go pound sand!

[ern-diz]

Hope you guys get enough cars to be in your own section

Don't hope, come down and join us :biggrin:

[ilikerice]

Grats on your podium place. I really want to do this swap now and run SMF with the civics. hahaha

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thanks man! You will need Rcomps to do well in SMF, and an LSD helps a lot too!

[ilikerice]

Definitly. plan on doing the LSD with lightened flywheel. I got a voucher for a set of tires from a 1st place win. Will probably go ahead and get those BFGoodrich 225 R1S... but was debating on getting a set of 16" rims and go to 245.... I don't think I want to sacrifice acceleration for cornering though...

[ArmstrongRacing]

I've ran 15x8 and 225/45's and that's a lot of grip. But you will need to relearn the cars behavior....it's so much faster

[ilikerice]

If I do Rcomps, I plan to run an 8" rim with 245, maybe 255 if the price is right. With Rcomps, they are designed to have that mushroom sidewall because of how stiff they are. 225 on a 8" rim is ideal for a street tire (200+tw) because you want either lateral or a slight stretch on the side wall because you want the least amount of flexing of the tire side to side to the road.

I used to run SMF in the CRX and ran the Khumo V710. I tried them out on the Yaris when HS was allowed to have Rcomps before they changed it from H Stock to H Street. Rcomps really bring out the body roll in a yaris, LMAO.. Lets just say I was warned about getting on 2 wheels with R comps with stock suspension....

[ilikerice]

So if the 2zr motor is pretty easy swap.. I am curious, being that the corolla uses the 2az motor in the XRS in mexico as well as the 2zr, if the 2az would be somewhat similar....

[Bluevitz-rs]

So if the 2zr motor is pretty easy swap.. I am curious, being that the corolla uses the 2az motor as well as the 2zr, if the 2az would be somewhat similar....

I think first you'd have to check if both motors use the same mounts in the corolla.

[tmontague]

The other issue is the engine harness for the 2az likely doesn't match up to the yaris harness like the xd's does.

Doesn't mean it wouldn't work, your just have a lot of rewiring to do and your want to have wiring diagrams for both cars to know what ever wire does on the engine harness

[ilikerice]

True true.. also size may play a factor. Probably not enough room in the yaris if it is a tight fit in a corolla

[m.flores.0928]

True true.. also size may play a factor. Probably not enough room in the yaris if it is a tight fit in a corolla



Also make sure if you run just a motor swap without the transmission, that the 2AZ mounts up to the Yaris trans. You may want to do a whole powertrain swap with trans and axles.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[tmontague]

True true.. also size may play a factor. Probably not enough room in the yaris if it is a tight fit in a corolla

the 2zr in considerably tallker than the 1nz and seems to be wider as well. Not too sure how the 2az compares size wise to either engine

[ilikerice]

the 2zr in considerably tallker than the 1nz and seems to be wider as well. Not too sure how the 2az compares size wise to either engine

Yea, be we are talking about a 1.5L to a 1.8L which having a longer stroke in the crank (if the cylinders are the same size) will make the engine taller and wider obviously.. but now the 2az is a 2.4L, so I am sure that boy is much fatter

[CrankyOldMan]

The other issue is the engine harness for the 2az likely doesn't match up to the yaris harness like the xd's does.

Doesn't mean it wouldn't work, your just have a lot of rewiring to do and your want to have wiring diagrams for both cars to know what ever wire does on the engine harness

That's actually pretty east to research, you just need a subscription to Toyota TechInfo. :biggrin:

[ArmstrongRacing]

I actually located and prepared to do the 2az swap 4 months ago. A guy wanted a 2zr swap, so I offered him mine and I would attempt the 2az.

The project got abandoned once the buyer backed out, oh well. I'm sure every 2az ECM has immobilizer anyway

[CrankyOldMan]

The 2AZ also mates to an E351 gearbox, so it's probably not a direct fit to the C50.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Needing a transmission and axles also makes the 2.4L swap much more difficult and expensive. It would be cool but not easily performed like the 2zr. It may be cheaper to buy a turbo kit for the 2zr vs attempt the 2az swap

[CrankyOldMan]

It may be cheaper to buy a turbo kit for the 2zr vs attempt the 2az swap

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.turbokits.com/Toyota/Corolla/Turbo_Kits/

[ilikerice]

Turbo kit... would Probably have to be custom header and down pipe... but would use the piping and other components from a yarisingle zage kit..

[tarkus]

.. but now the 2az is a 2.4L, so I am sure that boy is much fatter
My wife's Camry has that engine, and it's a pretty huge block. I can't think of any way you could make it fit into a Yaris, at least not without a lot of cutting and welding in the engine bay. Plus, I think it would make a Yaris very nose heavy.


Sent from my phone with Tapatalk. Please excuse any typpos.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.turbokits.com/Toyota/Corolla/Turbo_Kits/

ON SALE FOR $2990!!!!!

[m.flores.0928]

ON SALE FOR $2990!!!!!



Is that a lot? I've never researched mods like this before


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[tarkus]

That's a steal!

Sent from my phone with Tapatalk. Please excuse any typpos.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Ok guys, here's the video from last weekend.

https://youtu.be/PysI8WmcaT0

[Fosco]

5 bucks less
http://monkeywrenchracing.com/product/tkc-turbo-kit-corolla-matrix-09-13/
But you will probably would like to upgrade the turbocharger to gt2860rs

[ArmstrongRacing]

A little write-up on how to convert the 2zrfe over to a external oil filter:

http://www.armstrongfamilyblog.com/armstrong-racing/the-2016-toyota-2zr-engine-oil-filter-conversion

[m.flores.0928]

A little write-up on how to convert the 2zrfe over to a external oil filter:

http://www.armstrongfamilyblog.com/armstrong-racing/the-2016-toyota-2zr-engine-oil-filter-conversion



Very cool!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[ArmstrongRacing]

The 2zrVios weight at the National Tour. They had the scaled pads backward of course haha

[ern-diz]

Undisputed lightweight Yaris champ lol

[Jason@SportsCar]

Undisputed lightweight Yaris champ lol

Not even close. But it will be interesting to see how light he can get the sedan, because I would certainly consider going that route...

Our 2007 chassis H Prod car (with carbon hatch and hood, when we ran 13" wheels and tires) :wink:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/trU49FL7sTyhuJPQeD2ERlxHADKDH4dD6pAyHLyemcxdbwEwwr-dHQQ-NX9UNKWj5OabMsH9NHUl3Q=w392-h220
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6062/6078684584_cc7916c048_z.jpg

[m.flores.0928]

Not even close. But it will be interesting to see how light he can get the sedan, because I would certainly consider going that route...

Our 2007 chassis H Prod car (with carbon hatch and hood, when we ran 13" wheels and tires) :wink:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/trU49FL7sTyhuJPQeD2ERlxHADKDH4dD6pAyHLyemcxdbwEwwr-dHQQ-NX9UNKWj5OabMsH9NHUl3Q=w392-h220
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6062/6078684584_cc7916c048_z.jpg



That's fantastic. Lightweight is name of the game! Faux headlights?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Jason@SportsCar]

That's fantastic. Lightweight is name of the game! Faux headlights?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Stock lens cover, just cut away the rest of the fixture.

[m.flores.0928]

Stock lens cover, just cut away the rest of the fixture.



Clever, I like it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[ArmstrongRacing]

Not even close. But it will be interesting to see how light he can get the sedan, because I would certainly consider going that route...

Our 2007 chassis H Prod car (with carbon hatch and hood, when we ran 13" wheels and tires) :wink:

WOW! Yeah I've got a long way to go, I still have all of the standard equipment i.e.; lights, wiper, evap system, EPS system, glass and regulators, and the passenger seat is there for ride alongs 🤣...

[ern-diz]

Wow, 1814 total.

[Dabuu]

Mmm them 13s though <3 wish I could run those on mine.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Mmm them 13s though <3 wish I could run those on mine.

We gave up on those, the tires overheated quickly, and braking suffered with the small contact patch.

[Dabuu]

I'd run them purely for aesthetics, and autocross. I love small wide wheels!

[MugenRep]

We gave up on those, the tires overheated quickly, and braking suffered with the small contact patch.

Good to know, I was trying to track down a set of Enkei, Panasports, or Minilites on the market cheap an used. I talked to FastBrakes the other day though, and they said they'd be willing to do a set of 11.0 Wilwood Dynalite front brakes at 15lbs per side versus what he said was the normal iQ brakes at 25lbs. per side, to further reduce my unsprung weight, so I'll probably just keep my 15x7 VOLK TE37s and 195/45/15 Toyo T1R since the combo is down to 25.1lbs each. I personally want to take advantage of every available one of the 94 horses my car came stock with before I modify too much in the way of the engine. Thanks for sharing Jason, this was really informative.

[Jason@SportsCar]

I'd run them purely for aesthetics, and autocross. I love small wide wheels!

It is not easy to find a 13" that will clear the Yaris brakes without sticking them way out of the fenders, Jongbloed was able to do it, but they were costly. The Jongbloed was 8lbs, so only about 1lb less than an Enkie RPF1 or Volk, the real weight savings is the tire.

http://jongbloedracing.com/wordpress/?page_id=57


Garm had some great looking Compomotives that also fit, which you can still order from the UK. They are not as light as the Jongbloed, but also not as expensive.

http://www.comp.co.uk/wheels/wheels.asp?section=cxr-20-13

I tired a set of Panasports once that a guy was using on his Miata, in addition to nearly 3/4" difference in offset the wheel was made with I also needed a 1/4" spacer to clear the brake caliper, they stuck out a little.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Newest video showing the LSD benefits!

https://youtu.be/ED43-Q1EZ6U

[ArmstrongRacing]

Epic autox battle and FWD driftage

https://youtu.be/-GqqHDwu9cI

[Jason@SportsCar]

Epic autox battle and FWD driftage

https://youtu.be/-GqqHDwu9cI

You need some proper tires, and an ECU so you can skip that 3rd gear shift. :laugh:

[ilikerice]

yea, There is a reason why they call Hoosiers "purple crack".
once you get a taste of that purple crack, you will never go back.. hahaha..

[ArmstrongRacing]

You need some proper tires, and an ECU so you can skip that 3rd gear shift. :laugh:

I know....the car could be much faster but I spent so much on the gearbox this year I need to make sure the driver mod is worthy....before I fall completely down the rabbit hole LOL!

[ArmstrongRacing]

We ordered a custom set of BC DR coilovers today, very excited about this

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

[ArmstrongRacing]

Dyno video!

https://youtu.be/s85EyjhEmrc

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

[LTHatch]

That's impressive power with just bolt ons, do you believe there's significant power up top with a stand alone/tune?

[ArmstrongRacing]

That's impressive power with just bolt ons, do you believe there's significant power up top with a stand alone/tune?
This pull was only with the RPM header, the engine is stock otherwise.

Jason@SportsCar has told me the stock ECM cannot fully take advantage of the header, and he has been telling me to tune it for months now. I'm sure the engine is capable of 150 with all of the bolt-ons and a tune

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

[LTHatch]

Is a standalone in the near future for your build? If not, what are you your plans for your Yaris?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Is a standalone in the near future for your build? If not, what are you your plans for your Yaris?
Yes I've committed to buying a standalone next year....take full advantage of the 1.8L for a year, then start importing 3zr 2.0L parts

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

[Dabuu]

Not sure if you're looking specifically for japanese spec 3zr parts, but the new C-HR is equipped with the 3ZR-FAE. Pretty sure we'll see some in the wreckers soon.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Not sure if you're looking specifically for japanese spec 3zr parts, but the new C-HR is equipped with the 3ZR-FAE. Pretty sure we'll see some in the wreckers soon.
Whaaaaaat?!

That's awesome, I hadn't looked into the CHR yet thank you!

I could just buy the crank and rods, they might fit in the 2zr block since they use the same piston size. Then throw in the high comp pistons

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

[ArmstrongRacing]

Check out our blog post on how far we've gone with weight reduction so far...

http://www.armstrongfamilyblog.com/armstrongracing/weight-reduction-down-the-rabbit-hole-part-1

[heeroyuy01195]

Damn your'e going all out with this. Looking good!

[Fosco]

Hello, everyone. Have a query regarding compatibility of xD and corolla 2009 air filter. Does anyone know whether dimensions are the same? I want to use Pipercrosd filter for 2zrfe with xD air box but in their catalogue only corolla is present.

[ArmstrongRacing]

check out last weekends event where we started testing and tuning the NEW BC Racing DR coilovers:

https://youtu.be/y54mtDAWEkg

Here is the coilovers unboxing video with more information:

https://youtu.be/zy95baLeUeQ

[ArmstrongRacing]

Here is this weekend's autox where we made the car very tail happy, and we were faster!

https://youtu.be/cZIPy4yPbpk

[ArmstrongRacing]

What happens when you take a 2zr swapped yaris to the BMW CCA autocross event? check it out

https://youtu.be/09Z-9DyCdMw

[deng]

Awesome driving! 2zr with a 4.3lsd looks blazing fast! I haven't taken mine out to autox yet, but would love to. I've only autocrossed with calclub, but that was years ago.

I love the end of the 3rd run! Kill all cones.

[DarkShadowFox]

I went through the wiring diagrams today and verified the 2zr ECM(automatic transmission) and harness are mostly plug-n-play with the Yaris U340E. For you guys using a manual transmission, you need a manual trans specific harness and ECM.

U340E is used from the 2006- yaris (all models minus the IA, to present, so It should fit with Mk2 and Mk3 models)

[ArmstrongRacing]

Awesome driving! 2zr with a 4.3lsd looks blazing fast! I haven't taken mine out to autox yet, but would love to. I've only autocrossed with calclub, but that was years ago.

I love the end of the 3rd run! Kill all cones.

Haha thanks man. You should come out again and get hooked lol.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Finally got around to changing my rear springs, can't wait to test it out this weekend!

https://youtu.be/_HpcZt-kCAk

[deng]

Enjoyed the install video!

So jelly of the Swifts, the thought crossed my mind when I received my Cusco Street Zeros, but figured I'd see how Cusco's springs perform. So far I'm happy with my 7k/5k set up. I also removed my trd rsb, figured I didn't need it with the 5k rear (compared to the 2.8k progressive springs).

Coming from a spring/shock combo w/ trd rsb, the car was too soft for the track for my liking, plus I was getting understeer at high speed sections, but very likely that I'm not that great of a driver, and not slowing down enough. :burnrubber:

Car feels pretty neutral at Streets of Willow earlier this month. Big Willow is the next event, can't wait to destroy my PB!

Can't wait to see your next autox video; oversteer, windshield wiper counter of fury, and killing more cones! (jk, but it is fun! :tongue:)

[ArmstrongRacing]

I considered the Cusco setup for a long time, but the overseas service was hard for me to accept. They are a great product for sure though.

So for with the BC testing we've found that it's better for autocross to have a harder spring in the rear, and aggressive damping. At the track you may want to leave the springs where they are though, safety first out there is more important.

I'm planning to hit Big willow next month with the TRD cup as well

[deng]

I prefer more rotation. ;)

I'll see you at TRD Cup!

[ArmstrongRacing]

I prefer more rotation. ;)

I'll see you at TRD Cup!

Awesome man!

Here is last weekends event video:

https://youtu.be/rlzAIsCiUck

[tmontague]

Just watched your most recent youtube vid, the car is getting fast, especially in corners. Keep it up man!

[ArmstrongRacing]

Just watched your most recent youtube vid, the car is getting fast, especially in corners. Keep it up man!

You are correct. Since Im only working with 140hp, all of our development attention is on the suspension and driver right now. We are only 1 second behind the turbo/hoosier tire miata currently winning in prepared class. Im still leading in championship points but we need to close that gap to prove we can run this car at the Pro Solo next year and do well.

[deng]

Awesome driving. Man does the car accelerate! Looks so fun.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Awesome driving. Man does the car accelerate! Looks so fun.

It is a lot of fun, since we only drive it at races Im surprised every time by its acceleration and cornering abilities. Its very capable of winning Prepared class as well....with the right driver.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I finally got one of these rear braces for testing before we do any more spring changes.


https://youtu.be/Jum_wunM7jE

[ArmstrongRacing]

Check out the latest upgrade on the 2zrVios, Defi Racer Gauge!
Bit.ly/DefiRG

[ArmstrongRacing]

Did a thing at Willow Springs Raceway haha

https://youtu.be/vRDJBw7paqs

[ArmstrongRacing]

we have big plans for 2018...including a 6 speed gearbox
https://youtu.be/-wp0Y0_Rqsc

[NCP91RS]

Hi, my name is Vincent, and it’s my first time posting. I’m picking up an 09 S hatchback this week and I have a motor and ecu with wiring harness from a 10 Corolla that’s been sitting in my garage for a year and a half. What are the main reasons the electrical/wiring setup from the XD are more favorable than the Corolla’s? Could the Corolla’s components be used still, or would the amount of wiring make it unfeasable?
I’m excited to do this swap, and I’d like to use what I already have. Any help would be appreciated!

[atomic_hoji]

Hey Vincent, welcome! If that's Woodstock ON you're not too far down the road from me.. :thumbsup:

One of the folks who have completed the swap with the xD harness can elaborate, but basically the xD is the most straight forward because the Yaris and xD share the same platform so everything is plug n' play - install the xD ECU in place of the Yaris ECU, xD engine harness runs to stock ECU location and connects to Yaris body harness, etc.. I'm not familiar with the 2010 Corolla wiring and locations, but I imagine you're in the same boat I am with the Scion (now Corolla) iM harness - will need some changes and relocation of the ECU. I can tell you if it works in the new year, lol.

Lots of good reading and awesome folks here on YW. When you dive into it get a build thread going and document your progress.

-- Adam

[tmontague]

Pretty much what Adam said. The xd shares the same chassis to the yaris so when running an xd ecu and wire harness it is virtually plug and play. With the exception of having to add 12v ignition power to the maf and taking one connector and wires from the yaris wiring harness for the speedometer (iirc).

If you end up going with a corolla harness and ecu then you have to get a wiring digram of the corolla and yaris ecu and figure out what wires and connectors you need to repin so that everything works properly on the yaris chassis side of things.

With an engine swap the tough part isn't just getting the engine to run via an ecu, it is trying to ensure everything in the car is still working that goes along with the engine

Imo if the yaris is your second car then go ahead and take the time to re wire it. If itnisnyour only car and/or dd then source a used xd ecu online and either do the same with an xd harness or just foot the bill and order an oem one. The big challenge with this swap is finding the xd harness and ecu for a manual transmission in the used aftermarket so you don't have to pay out the a*s for a new one

[stidnam]

Hi all

First time poster as well here after trawling through the site looking at 2zr threads :). I'm from Australia and it would seem nigh impossible to get my hands on the required brackets from a MT XD for a 2zr conversion. I've messaged every person wrecking a Scion XD on ebay only to be told they don't keep them.

Does anyone have an available source for these? I've also tried to purchase them new, but only one is showing as potentially being in stock - the RH one.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Hi all

First time poster as well here after trawling through the site looking at 2zr threads :). I'm from Australia and it would seem nigh impossible to get my hands on the required brackets from a MT XD for a 2zr conversion. I've messaged every person wrecking a Scion XD on ebay only to be told they don't keep them.

Does anyone have an available source for these? I've also tried to purchase them new, but only one is showing as potentially being in stock - the RH one.

I got mine from the Toyota dealership, but I see full sets of mounts for sell on eBay. If you cant find used mounts you sometimes have to buy new ones.

[stidnam]

Yeah the mounts or isolators should be pretty easy to get a hold of, even in Aus. The parts I'm struggling to find though are the ones outlined in red. Based on the reading I've done, I need all 3 of these as well don't I?

https://image.ibb.co/kcLdLR/Engine_mounts.png

[tmontague]

Technically you can get away with only using the right hand side mount and isolator.

Do you have a lb or sedan?

[stidnam]

It would be a hatch.

Or am I confused... If I buy the XD dogbone and the XD gearbox isolators, will they bolt to the Yaris equivalent of the parts I've outlined in red?

[tmontague]

Yes technically they will bolt up albeit with some force of a pry bar and an extra hour and cursing to get the bolt through.

Based on my extensive experience of using all of the different types of mounts (xd and yaris) mate the proper bracket with its proper isolator to ensure ease of install.

The only difference is the xd mounts/isolators will place the engine a bit lower, slightly further away from the firewall and the way Toyota engineered it to sit. However using yaris mounts/isolators will also work as that is Tom's current set up I believe.

Either way you will need the right hand side mount and isolator from an xd as the yaris one will not work with the 2zr. The other two that both bolt to the trans case are fine to run either xd or yaris. If you run all xd mounts then it's recommended to run xd shift cables as the yaris ones are shorter and you risk snapping them

[stidnam]

thanks tmontague. Appreciate the advice.

I'll keep hunting for a full set of brackets. Sounds like that's the cleanest solution.

[DarkShadowFox]

Cannot wait to do this to mine. hopefully it works.

[06YarisRS]

Here are the highlighted pins that need swapping.

1) If you keep the Yaris transmission: Move the speed sensor wires over to the same spots in the Xd plug CA2.



If the Yaris harness is removed and an xD harness put in its place, where do the 3 speed sensor wires that go into positions 11, 12 and 13 in the xD CA2 come from? Is there another harness that contains the speed sensor wires to be transfered over?

[ArmstrongRacing]

#3

[rallyxa]

planning on a 2zz swap into an 06 xa... i plan on using this thread for general guidelines as the comprehensive gist is pretty similar. gotta say that this is by far the most active and extensive thread for yaris swaps that i can find, and it really seems like OP knows what he's doing! big thanks to AR and everyone who contributes for the help!

feel free to shoot me a different direction if you see fit!

:respekt:

[ArmstrongRacing]

A 2zz swap will be awesome, make sure to create your own thread to share the journey

[06YarisRS]

^ I will be watching this, big time!

[Bluevitz-rs]

planning on a 2zz swap into an 06 xa... i plan on using this thread for general guidelines as the comprehensive gist is pretty similar. gotta say that this is by far the most active and extensive thread for yaris swaps that i can find, and it really seems like OP knows what he's doing! big thanks to AR and everyone who contributes for the help!

feel free to shoot me a different direction if you see fit!

:respekt:

Just so you’re aware, a 2ZZ will involve cutting the frame to get it in.

[rallyxa]

Just so you’re aware, a 2ZZ will involve cutting the frame to get it in.

yep, basically gaining 99% of my knowledge from YT vids... saw on AR's channel what will be involved for the cutting of the frame near the tranny.

my hopes are that the sizes of the 2zz vs the 2zr with a c60 are identical and that the engine bay dimensions in that of the yaris are also the same as the xa bay. along with distance between the hubs. i will have to find out if the axels from a celica will fit as well.

IF the dimensions mentioned above are all luckily the same, my next question is, how did the xd axels fit from the c60 trans to the yaris hubs? new distance (2zr w/c60 in yaris)was spec for the xd axels?? and then i gotta see if it works in my engine bay with celica axels and a 2zz..... :iono:

[Bluevitz-rs]

The xA chassis is the same as the Echo. They have a smaller engine bay. You’ll have to cut both frame rails to fit it in. The 2zz is about an inch longer than the 1NZ and the pulleys will run right through the frame.

I’m not 100% on the axles swap because I used a C160 witch retains the stock axles.

[ArmstrongRacing]

The xD axles worked perfectly for me since the 2zr and C-transmission were originally designed to be used in this arrangement.

I dont know if the 2zz is longer than the 2zr, but the Celica differential uses the same axle spline as the xD

[Bluevitz-rs]

The motor mounts place the transmission so you could probably use xD axles then with the C60

[malibuguy]

Finally read thru all this.

Been working on a 1nz swap into one of my tercels and it was pretty easy. So I naturally thought...whats the next evolution?

Im a bit weird, I like to keep my cars the same displacement as they come, or smaller.

But a 2zr in a tercel would be a monster. I might even consider one for the Yaris as I dont nearly drive the same mileage as I used to. It makes 107whp, 110wtq now. But to gain what, 20-30numbers more and keep using regular gas is looking mighty appealing over finishing my turbo build and run high octane.

I would have to source a wrecked xD from copart to even consider the swap into the yaris that way I get everything i need

[CrankyOldMan]

Finally read thru all this.

Been working on a 1nz swap into one of my tercels and it was pretty easy. So I naturally thought...whats the next evolution?

Im a bit weird, I like to keep my cars the same displacement as they come, or smaller.

But a 2zr in a tercel would be a monster. I might even consider one for the Yaris as I dont nearly drive the same mileage as I used to. It makes 107whp, 110wtq now. But to gain what, 20-30numbers more and keep using regular gas is looking mighty appealing over finishing my turbo build and run high octane.

I would have to source a wrecked xD from copart to even consider the swap into the yaris that way I get everything i need

All good points. As someone who pieced the swap together over a period of 6-9 months, buying a whole donor xD really is the way to go. Assuming you can get the right planetary alignment, of course. An MT xD is really hard to find in the wild, much less totaled with no front end damage.

[malibuguy]

All good points. As someone who pieced the swap together over a period of 6-9 months, buying a whole donor xD really is the way to go. Assuming you can get the right planetary alignment, of course. An MT xD is really hard to find in the wild, much less totaled with no front end damage.

Found a few semi locally with minor damage that "runs and drives" 1 of them is currently at $90 LOL

[anomoly40]

I know in the first few posts it says you need an 08-09 xD harness but I've seen PDF for 08-10 xD wiring. Ive also picked up a manual trans harness from a '10 xD.

Are these harnesses the same as the 08-09 in everyone's experiences?

[CrankyOldMan]

Yes, all years of the xD use the same engine harness for MT. Part# 82121-52E90.

[edlow]

I just want to say to the OP and the contributors to this post:

Thank you!

I'm a long way from the doing the swap as I am in the process of just collecting the parts.

Hi from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

[sh0rtlife]

couple of mounts, harness and ecu acquired....

[mitch9521]

I just want to say to the OP and the contributors to this post:

Thank you!

I'm a long way from the doing the swap as I am in the process of just collecting the parts.

Hi from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Hello fellow Ontario Canuck. I am also in the process of collecting parts for this swap, all I have right now is a 2014 MT ECU with key lol this is a "back burner" swap I'd like to do in the future so there is no rush. These xDs are pretty rare sights in junkyards too.

I hope the xD ECU plays nice with my 3rd gen.(immobilizer excepting of course).

[sh0rtlife]

the xd's seem to be poppin up about 1 a month local to semi local..if you want me to try and chase something down...

[tmontague]

Has anyone seen my old yaris floating around for sale?

As much as it would suck to cannibalize that well sorted car, it has everything you need for the swap already, including a shortened Tercel front left axle to avoid the bind that some swaps get.

May be worth searching, I bet it isn't listed for much

[mitch9521]

Has anyone seen my old yaris floating around for sale?

As much as it would suck to cannibalize that well sorted car, it has everything you need for the swap already, including a shortened Tercel front left axle to avoid the bind that some swaps get.

May be worth searching, I bet it isn't listed for much

Im positive I saw it a while ago on Marketplace but its gone now.

the xd's seem to be poppin up about 1 a month local to semi local..if you want me to try and chase something down...

MT engine harness seems to be the hardest thing to come by that I do not have. I would have had one but the junkyard I pulled the ECU from wouldn't let me buy just the harness as it "came with the engine", guy was an ass about it too. So I cut the ziptied key off the steering column and pocketed it when I went out to pull the ECU lol.

[sh0rtlife]

LOL well if one pops up ill snag it

thankfully my yaris has no imobilizer so i dont need to muck with that crap, i got the harness, ecu and right side mount, the rest of the car was pretty trashed so i dint trust the other mounts

there was an xd a month ago manual in fact it was one of the "edition" versions...if it had been auto id have grabbed everything off it

[mitch9521]

LOL well if one pops up ill snag it

thankfully my yaris has no imobilizer so i dont need to muck with that crap, i got the harness, ecu and right side mount, the rest of the car was pretty trashed so i dint trust the other mounts

there was an xd a month ago manual in fact it was one of the "edition" versions...if it had been auto id have grabbed everything off it

Lol, I plan on doing what MCM did and just holding the original key next to the barrel or take the key apart and stick the module chip on the barrel permanently behind the column covers. All in theory of course.

[mitch9521]

Has anyone seen my old yaris floating around for sale?

As much as it would suck to cannibalize that well sorted car, it has everything you need for the swap already, including a shortened Tercel front left axle to avoid the bind that some swaps get.

May be worth searching, I bet it isn't listed for much


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/809826433819863/

Its back. Its getting passed around like crazy, this is the second or third time I've seen it listed and its always by a different person.

[tmontague]

No way, thanks for posting, I'm just glad people are still driving it, it was a great track car

[rpster]

I've been eyeing all these 2zr swap threads and think my time has come: My 07 HB's auto transmission finally gave up the ghost (250k og miles, stuck in neutral/drive) and I am heavily considering this swap with my eye on a donor 09 XD that has a manual. So it'll be a double swap for me: 1NZ>2ZR & Auto>Man.

I had a couple questions that weren't quite clear from reading the thread:

1. ABS / Speed signal - Will I need to move over ABS from the XD to get the right speed signals to the ECM? The Yaris has no ABS.

2. Axles - If I'm swapping to the XD trans, I assume I can reuse the Yaris axles?

Thanks!

[WeeYari]

Not to curb your enthusiasm for a swap but are you certain the tranny has given up. 2 months ago my other automatic car was stuck in gear. I had it towed to the shop and checked out. All that was wrong was the shift cable seized. Mechanic removed it, soaked it in a lubricant for 24hrs and reinstalled.
250k is really early for a transmission failure unless it's really been beat on and neglected.

[rpster]

For sure it isn't the shift cable. I actually disconnected the shift cable from the trans and attempted shifting by hand at the trans itself. It's like it's hitting a wall when trying to shift to reverse from neutral. I also confirmed it's not the brake interlock either. Shift position switch tests fine too

Do y'all want to see another 2zr swap or not? Hahaha

[tmontague]

I've been eyeing all these 2zr swap threads and think my time has come: My 07 HB's auto transmission finally gave up the ghost (250k og miles, stuck in neutral/drive) and I am heavily considering this swap with my eye on a donor 09 XD that has a manual. So it'll be a double swap for me: 1NZ>2ZR & Auto>Man.

I had a couple questions that weren't quite clear from reading the thread:

1. ABS / Speed signal - Will I need to move over ABS from the XD to get the right speed signals to the ECM? The Yaris has no ABS.

2. Axles - If I'm swapping to the XD trans, I assume I can reuse the Yaris axles?

Thanks!

To answer questions #2: technically yes, but I had binding issues on the front left axle, it turned out to be too long with the new engine. I solved this by using a '98 tercel axle which was an inch shorter but the splines all matches up.

[rpster]

To answer questions #2: technically yes, but I had binding issues on the front left axle, it turned out to be too long with the new engine. I solved this by using a '98 tercel axle which was an inch shorter but the splines all matches up.

Looks like this is a relatively easy part to get, thanks for the insight!

I also did more research on the speedo sensor: The C50 on the XD can have a speed sensor added, meaning I wouldn't need to move over the ABS just to have a speed signal!

The only other question is if the driven gear for the speed sensor is already installed or not. I'm planning to open up the donor transmission anyways for inspections so here's to hoping it's already in place.

[tayxas]

I noticed that the OP says RH and LH mounts. However, if keeping the transmission, shouldn't the Yaris transmission mount work?

Also is the RH mount different for auto and manual?


Another thing...anyone know how to contact Armstrong? Seems like all the links are dead and all of his pages are gone.