The 2zr-fe engine swap guide

[ArmstrongRacing]

...And so it begins. The 1.8L dual vvt-i 2zr-fe is a relatively new engine, released in 2007. This engine produces 136hp/129ftlbs at the crank in stock form, and is a smog legal swap when done properly. There is great aftermarket support with people making 150hp n/a with flow mods, or 200hp+ with available superchargers and turbo kits. I chose to get my swap components from a auto recycler instead of buying a scion xd. My engine is from a 2013 Corolla with 34k on the odometer(the valve cover writing is wrong)...a great find. My car is automatic and Ive kept the auto for now to check compatibility. Lets start, here's whats needed:

1)2ZRFE engine with ALL components and accessories from a 2009+ Xd, Corolla
2)ECM from a 2008-2009 Xd applicable to your car in auto or manual trans
3)Xd engine harness also applicable to your car and transmission choice.
4)Xd RH and LH engine/transmission mount and brackets
5)Xd exhaust midpipe
6)Xd intake AND MAF sensor
7)Xd or Corolla flex plate(auto), flywheel/clutch(manual)
8)Mini-add-a-circuit and soldering equipment

*With the help of other YW members, I have started a collection of 2ZRFE parts to make everyones swap a little easier, just contact me for details!*

Read through the entire thread to learn as much as possible before beginning. Good luck!

[ArmstrongRacing]

If you go through a recycler you need to prepare yourself to make a ton of phone calls and be clear about what you need and how you want it. Expect to spend roughly $3000 total for everything needed. You can also buy a entire wrecked car if you like, but it will cost you more. You want everything that was originally attached to the engine, including ecm, exhaust, airbox(xd), passenger engine mount(xd), ect. Ill cover all of this throughout my install.

[ArmstrongRacing]

The first thing I checked was compatibility with the yaris c50 transmission. The 2zr and 1nz flywheels/Flexplates are the same size, the only difference is the 2zr has 8 bolts where the 1nz has 6.....so use the 2zr flywheel and your 1nz clutch.

[ArmstrongRacing]

The bell housing flanges on the 2zr and 1nz are also the same, both are a 9bolt 2-o'clock starter orientation. Apply a little grease to the dowels, and you can use the 1nz starter.

[Bluevitz-rs]

:thumbup:

[tmontague]

Aaaamazing

[thebarber]

much winning

[Thirty-Nine]

This will be great!

[3cyltrbo]

Armstrong Racing for President !

[MedMantle]

So stoked that it is finally happening! Gonna dump my 1JZ Cressi swap plans and rather invest my time and money in this! Whack damn son!

[fredovvti]

Yuppiii!! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[LTHatch]

Awesome! Great information.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I ordered the xd airbox, engine mount, and maintenance items today. They should be in tomorrow, now I just gotta get an ecm and start the wiring.

[CrankyOldMan]

I ordered the xd airbox, engine mount, and maintenance items today. They should be in tomorrow, now I just gotta get an ecm and start the wiring.
I can help with the wiring diagrams if you have to modify anything--I just snagged copies of every year xD and Yaris that I could find on the Toyota tech site.

On a format note: I'm not sure if the file size is the reason for only one picture per post, but it would be much more helpful to have the whole process in the first few posts instead of having to sort through lots of replies to find the content.

[ArmstrongRacing]

My plan was to document each step carefully with one picture for each step. Yes there will be replies to read through, but some of those comments could be good information in case there are questions.

[Bluevitz-rs]

My plan was to document each step carefully with one picture for each step. Yes there will be replies to read through, but some of those comments could be good information in case there are questions.


Can't you just edit the last post and keep adding to it. Upload the pictures to photobucket.com and link the pictures. You can add as many as you want to that way.


Sent from my iPod Touch

[ArmstrongRacing]

I went through the wiring diagrams today and verified the 2zr ECM(automatic transmission) and harness are mostly plug-n-play with the Yaris U340E. For you guys using a manual transmission, you need a manual trans specific harness and ECM.

[beaker]

I went through the wiring diagrams today and verified the 2zr ECM(automatic transmission) and harness are plug-n-play with the Yaris U340E. For you guys using a manual transmission, you need a manual trans specific harness and ECM.

Could you clarify a little more on this? What do you mean by U340E?

One of my other concerns is emissions. When you swap to a different car ECM, I'm wondering what kinda of problems that will create when one goes for their annual emissions testing? Doesn't the computer store the VIN info, and I wonder if it will throw a red flag when the emissions testing machine is hooked up to your car, and the VIN #s don't jive?

[tmontague]

Hmm, that is my only concern w/ emissions. I know here in Ontario they care solely on the obd scan and making sure that they're are no codes but i'm not sure if they check to see if the ecu matches the Vin on the car

[CrankyOldMan]

I went through the wiring diagrams today and verified the 2zr ECM(automatic transmission) and harness are plug-n-play with the Yaris U340E. For you guys using a manual transmission, you need a manual trans specific harness and ECM.

Good to know. I found that the Yaris ECU pinout is not compatible with the xD wire harness on either connector. Have you addressed the issues with the smaller connector on the ECU, since some of it goes into the interior? What about the end of the engine wire harness that goes into the engine bay relay/fuse box?

**EDIT**

Here's my spreadsheet for comparing the pinouts of the Yaris and xD ECU connectors (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qOGVwt7OtvtDX9Z2YfPuM06kg4fnw8Fv0NIIftZfNt8/edit?usp=sharing). I will have to look at the EWDs again when I get home at the end of the month to see what the missing/conflicting names go to. Hopefully that connector just needs to be pin swapped.

[ArmstrongRacing]

The U340E is the automatic transmission in all yaris'. The 2zr harness has the exact same transmission plugs with the same wire locations.

The BAR station that inspects your car after completing the swap will give you a label to signify your swap is legal, the different VIN in the ECM is ok, the requirement is the cats have to be there, a legal intake, and no check engine light.

[beaker]

The U340E is the automatic transmission in all yaris'. The 2zr harness has the exact same transmission plugs with the same wire locations.

The BAR station that inspects your car after completing the swap will give you a label to signify your swap is legal, the different VIN in the ECM is ok, the requirement is the cats have to be there, a legal intake, and no check engine light.

OK cool, thanks for the info on what U340E meant.

I've got to go this weekend to get emissions done on my cars, my birthday is coming up, so got to get tags. I've got a buddy who I go to for emissions testing, I'll propose that question to him, to see if that's how it's done here in GA.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Here is the xd engine mount PN#12305-37091....the associated bracket on the engine timing cover also has to be from a xd PN#12315-37040. You will also need the 2 bolts PN#91552-L1240, stud, and 2 nuts that attach the mount to the bracket. My engine came with the Corolla bracket and I wanted to test fit with it......it does not work.

Also you will notice the Corolla ECM back there. Ive already completed a swap with all of the xd electronics, this time Im testing Corolla parts. The Corolla wire harness and ECM will Terminate to the battery area, whereas the xd wire harness and ECM are run like the 1nz. I ran my Corolla harness over to the original ECM location and secured with zip ties until I know everything works.

UPDATE: THE 2010+ COROLLA ECM IS NOT COMPATIBLE UNLESS YOU PLAN ON PROGRAMING NEW KEYS. I had to order a Scion Xd ECM because my car doesn't have immobilizer. For automatic transmissions the part # is 89661-52F71.

[ArmstrongRacing]

This is a 2zr exhaust gasket against the 1nz collector, you can see there is a huge difference in size and this collector will need modifications to work. The bolt spacing on the 2zr exhaust manifold is also larger, its best to find a xd midpipe or collector and have the rest done at a exhaust shop.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Here is a xd airbox with the required 2zr MAF sensor. I got these items from Ebay, if you are not concerned about emissions then you can buy a aftermarket intake for an xd.

[ArmstrongRacing]

When you are ready to install the powertrain, remove this mount and bracket. The larger engine will not give you enough room to properly line up these mounts while mounted to the trans. Slide everything into place then install this mount last.

[ezhacker1]

I love these posts. reliving those moments at the storage shed swap. :)

[ArmstrongRacing]

Once the powertrain is in and all of the mounts, suspension, and axles are secure....you can start installing your original hoses and lines. The heater hoses will need 2" trimmed off of the engine side, the fuel line will need to be flipped around and installed backwards(or buy one for an Xd), but the remaining brake booster, radiator hoses, and evap solenoid hose can be installed how they were originally.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Now you can assemble the rest of the car and it will look like this. If your car has a/c you will also need the compressor lines: Pn#88712-52341,88711-52311...then get your a/c system recharged. Next step....wiring.

[3cyltrbo]

SOOOOO much WIN!

[beaker]

Did you use XD axles, or Yaris axles?

[beaker]

Could you clarify a little more on this? What do you mean by U340E?

One of my other concerns is emissions. When you swap to a different car ECM, I'm wondering what kinda of problems that will create when one goes for their annual emissions testing? Doesn't the computer store the VIN info, and I wonder if it will throw a red flag when the emissions testing machine is hooked up to your car, and the VIN #s don't jive?

For those interested in the emissions question, I did some asking around and a little research at www.cleanairforce.com, which is the state of Georgia's website for emissions standards. It appears, or at least in my case, if you put an engine in a car that was never put in that said car for USA production, and that car falls under emissions standards, it then becomes what is called a "grey market vehicle." I have been told, but have not verified, that it is possible to get a "emissions waiver" from the state, if it can be demonstrated that your car will still pass emissions standards for your year make and model of car. I say that I haven't verified this, because what I found on the website is kinda vague, and this info came from the emissions inspector that recently had tested my car. I would definitely want to confirm with the state, that what he said is in fact the case. The emissions inspector did say that by putting a different ECM in my car( IE from a Scion XD), would throw a read flag, because the info coming out of the ECM would not jive with the car being tested, so it would fail without the waiver. Not sure if this info would apply the same to others in different states, but IMO, it would be something I would check on before doing the swap and spending the money.

I'm truly not trying to be a buzzkill, because this swap is AWESOME, and I really want to do this to my car. Just something to think about and investigate if your car is required to meet state emissions standards.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Did you use XD axles, or Yaris axles?

Yaris transmission and axles on my car, Xd transmission and axles on another.....its up to you.

And about emissions, everyone should check their own states laws before starting any swap. I already have permission from California to do this swap, I called in advance.

[fnkngrv]

As a side note do you know how much beefier the xD axles are if any?

Sent from m-o-b-i-l-e

[CrankyOldMan]

As a side note do you know how much beefier the xD axles are if any?
Thread hijack! =)

For reference, the Yaris uses 23 tooth 24/48 DP stubs, the xD (Celica/Matrix/Corolla) uses 20 tooth 20/40 DP stubs. I'm drawing a blank on how to calculate the actual diameter. The Quaife datasheets show the inner diameter of the xD differential inputs as 28mm, the Yaris as 27mm.

**Edit**

Some quick math with a gear/spline theory worksheet gives an outer diameter of 1.041" on the Yaris splines, 1.1" on the xD. No idea how big the shafts are past that, but a trip to the junk yard with some calipers would tell you.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Like Cranky said....visually they are also just a little bigger.

Like my Corolla exhaust....the ID is 46mm, Yaris is 40mm

[fnkngrv]

Good to know. Could play a part in how people look at the swap for auto x, etc especially if they boosted it.

Sent from m-o-b-i-l-e

[3cyltrbo]

And about emissions, everyone should check their own states laws before starting any swap. I already have permission from California to do this swap, I called in advance.

+1

Up here in Canadia (aka Canada), it varies from Province to Province and even different municipalities.

Where I live, I've never heard or seen of someone ever getting a ticket related to emissions / engine swaps etc....

And our emissions testing has moved away from sniffer tests (at least in my area) and now focuses solely on Check Engine Lights.

Personally If I go through with this swap, of a Toyota engine into a Toyota and one that will look like it belongs there, emissions and "Fix it Tickets" will be the farthest thing from my mind.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Good to know. Could play a part in how people look at the swap for auto x, etc especially if they boosted it.

I agree the bigger differential and axles would add a bit of assurance, but the gearsets are still the same parts from the yaris C50. I personally know 6 guys racing with the Yaris trans and no issues. The Yaris is a stout little car, power is its only downside.

[CrankyOldMan]

I agree the bigger differential and axles would add a bit of assurance, but the gearsets are still the same parts from the yaris C50. I personally know 6 guys racing with the Yaris trans and no issues. The Yaris is a stout little car, power is its only downside.

As long as you're in the 150 hp range, you should be OK with the Yaris diff and drive shafts. If you plan on going into the 150-250 bhp range, I would recommend (without empirical evidence) going with the xD setup, if only because it is standard on vehicles with 150-200 stock bhp. Anything over 250 bhp will probably need custom shafts for longevity.

From a price standpoint, xD aftermarket diffs are normally cheaper than the Yaris, since it has more demand. For example, the Quaife QDF15E (Yaris) costs around $1100, whereas the QDF21E (xD/Celica/etc.) is normally under $1000. Keep in mind that the ring gear on the differential is NOT compatible between these two models, but the xD differential will potentially open up more options for final drive ratios--and potentially at a lower cost than the Yaris.

But enough talk about drive shafts. Let's get to that wiring! =)

[tmontague]

+1

Up here in Canadia (aka Canada), it varies from Province to Province and even different municipalities.

Where I live, I've never heard or seen of someone ever getting a ticket related to emissions / engine swaps etc....

And our emissions testing has moved away from sniffer tests (at least in my area) and now focuses solely on Check Engine Lights.

Personally If I go through with this swap, of a Toyota engine into a Toyota and one that will look like it belongs there, emissions and "Fix it Tickets" will be the farthest thing from my mind.

The only thing you'd have to check with in Ontario is that I'm pretty sure they check to see if the ECU is giving off the correct vin that is on the body of the car. If not that may mean an instant failure of the e test. I'm sure you could easily get a waiver but I'd check into it before you do your swap. Let me know what the result is

[ilikerice]

Wiring.. everyone's favorite part... RIGHT!

Looking good Armstrong!

[CrankyOldMan]

Just a friendly reminder, if you have to replace the exhaust anyway, you should consider the xD long tube header from Fast Scions (http://fastscions.com/i-23789472-rpm-long-tube-header-mid-pipe-scion-xd-2008-2014.html). I've got a mandrel bent 2.5" res-back kit that would be a great start on a mid-pipe for this. =)

[Rigaud]

+1

Up here in Canadia (aka Canada), it varies from Province to Province and even different municipalities.

Where I live, I've never heard or seen of someone ever getting a ticket related to emissions / engine swaps etc....

And our emissions testing has moved away from sniffer tests (at least in my area) and now focuses solely on Check Engine Lights.

Personally If I go through with this swap, of a Toyota engine into a Toyota and one that will look like it belongs there, emissions and "Fix it Tickets" will be the farthest thing from my mind.

No municipality has a say in emissions in Canada. Regulated by Federal then Provincial.

[Rigaud]

The only thing you'd have to check with in Ontario is that I'm pretty sure they check to see if the ECU is giving off the correct vin that is on the body of the car. If not that may mean an instant failure of the e test. I'm sure you could easily get a waiver but I'd check into it before you do your swap. Let me know what the result is
No, you can replace the ECU...hence replacing it when it fails!!! Sniff test that's it via OBD. They check if theirs been any cel that popped up recently. Straight forward. My friend nearby in Kawkesbury just went through it with his Audi URS4.

[tmontague]

so they don't check if the OBD is giving off the matching VIN to the body of the car? I thought if you end up installing a new ECU because the stock one was dmaaged then the dealership reprograms it to match the VIN of your car?

If that is the case then ya it'd be no issue.

[ArmstrongRacing]

If you were lucky enough to source a Xd engine harness, the plugs on the fusebox end are a direct match and the only wiring changes needed invole the speed sensor and MAF sensor.

CA2- top left
CA1- top right

[ArmstrongRacing]

Here are the highlighted pins that need swapping.

1) If you keep the Yaris transmission: Move the speed sensor wires over to the same spots in the Xd plug CA2.

1a) If you use the Xd transmission, your car better have ABS to steal the speed signal from....those are the only options I know of at this time regarding speed signals.

2) The MAF sensor power wire at CA2#9 has no supporting pin in the Yaris fusebox. I tried removing this wire from the plug and soldering it to another +12v wire in the fuse box...but the MAF voltage would fluctuate. My final fix was to cut the power wire 8" from the MAF plug and run a dedicated power wire via a mini-add-a-circuit in a IG switched fuse location.

[ArmstrongRacing]

If you couldn't locate a Xd harness than your swap(like mine) is going to be much more involved wiring wise...

The Corolla harness has 3 plugs on the fusebox end and none of them match the yaris. You must move every single wire to its corresponding location in the yaris' CA1 and CA2 plugs.(I'm almost done). In addition to re-pinning, you will also have to cut the 2zr harness battery cables going to the starter/alternator and connect them to your 1nz harness cables for the extra length and the proper ends....lots of work.

NOTE: You can see my mini add-a-circuit for the MAF here

[beaker]

Here are the highlighted pins that need swapping.

1) If you keep the Yaris transmission: Move the speed sensor wires over to the same spots in the Xd plug CA2.

1a) If you use the Xd transmission, your car better have ABS to steal the speed signal from....those are the only options I know of at this time regarding speed signals.

2) The MAF sensor power wire at CA2#9 has no supporting pin in the Yaris fusebox. I tried removing this wire from the plug and soldering it to another +12v wire in the fuse box...but the MAF voltage would fluctuate. My final fix was to cut the power wire 8" from the MAF plug and run a dedicated power wire via a mini-add-a-circuit in a IG switched fuse location.

So the MAF (CA2#9) needs to see +12volts with ignition on? It's not a signal coming out of the MAF with variable voltage output going back into the ECM?

[ilikerice]

I understand what your saying but can I suggest a bit of rewording... Try to do a step by step process in 1 post for the wiring with what you have acquired (yaris harness and yaris Trans).
-Then have a separate post if you use the yaris harness with xD trans,
-another post for yaris trans with the xD harness,
-and another post for the xD harness and xD trans.

After that is done, if you could go ahead and mention corolla parts.

You are mixing scenario's up in 2 different posts and I can see how this can get confusing and intimidating for someone who is a newbie with wiring. I used to work for Toyota and Lexus for 6 years, so its a bit easier for me to understand.

Great job though. looks fun, I can't wait to do this to mine! I have been talking about doing this for a LOOONG time when I found out that the 2zr was the Yaris TS version.

[fredovvti]

If I get a complete xD harness and use the Yaris trans, I only have to move the pins that you mention in post #48 to the correct location of the plugs ends and that its?

[ArmstrongRacing]

So the MAF (CA2#9) needs to see +12volts with ignition on? It's not a signal coming out of the MAF with variable voltage output going back into the ECM?

Correct. The MAF black wire is the power supply to the sensor....the other 4 wires go directly to the ECM.

If I get a complete xD harness and use the Yaris trans, I only have to move the pins that you mention in post #48 to the correct location of the plugs ends and that its?

Correct, for now. There is more wiring later but this is all regarding the engine.

[ArmstrongRacing]

You are mixing scenario's up in 2 different posts and I can see how this can get confusing and intimidating for someone who is a newbie with wiring.

Im sorry for the confusion, but I mention the Corolla harness because thats what I'm using on my 2zr/yaris trans buid. I wanted to test ALL of the Corolla parts so no one else would have to. I want this to be easy for everyone, so again just to be clear........aside from the actual engine and accesories, USE EVERY PART FROM A SCION XD.

I know you guys would prefer this diy be formatted a certain way, but I am sharing this info with you guys as I go.

[3cyltrbo]

No municipality has a say in emissions in Canada. Regulated by Federal then Provincial.

Some municpalities (example in the North, like Sudbury) have traditionally been able (through their say) to become exempt from having the same standards.

I know this because its been popular at times for people from around Ottawa to try and register their cars with a northern address in order to be exempt from the requirement to do emissions testing.

WC

[3cyltrbo]

If you couldn't locate a Xd harness than your swap(like mine) is going to be much more involved wiring wise...

The Corolla harness has 3 plugs on the fusebox end and none of them match the yaris. You must move every single wire to its corresponding location in the yaris' CA1 and CA2 plugs.(I'm almost done). In addition to re-pinning, you will also have to cut the 2zr harness battery cables going to the starter/alternator and connect them to your 1nz harness cables for the extra length and the proper ends....lots of work.

NOTE: You can see my mini add-a-circuit for the MAF here

Is there also a difference because your car is an automatic? (ie: are there additional wiring and harness implications because of the automatic?)

[ArmstrongRacing]

There is no additional wiring involved in having an automatic vs manual transmission. If your car is auto and you keep it auto, the auto trans Xd harness and ECM have the same pin locations at the transmission plugs. There is only one wire to ground, Ill get to that later

[3cyltrbo]

There is no additional wiring involved in having an automatic vs manual transmission. If your car is auto and you keep it auto, the auto trans Xd harness and ECM have the same pin locations at the transmission plugs.


Where I'm coming from is 2010 Yaris 5spd manual without ABS

So, just like some of the others, as I read through your helpful posts.....I try to harvest the info for my own situation (ie: which mounts / tranny / axles / wiring etc...)

Will

[ArmstrongRacing]

I finished all of my Corolla harness soldering today. I connected the battery and switched on the ignition and I immediately got a code for P2770-Torque Converter Clutch(auto trans).....Im not sure if this is a result of the hydrolock or what, looks like I need to do a bit more research...

Tomorrow I will finish my MAF wiring and fire it up...hopefully all goes well.

[beaker]

I finished all of my Corolla harness soldering today. I connected the battery and switched on the ignition and I immediately got a code for P2770-Torque Converter Clutch(auto trans).....Im not sure if this is a result of the hydrolock or what, looks like I need to do a bit more research...

Tomorrow I will finish my MAF wiring and fire it up...hopefully all goes well.

So far, it was just four wires you had to change? (pending figuring out the P2770 code of course)

[ArmstrongRacing]

So far, it was just four wires you had to change? (pending figuring out the P2770 code of course)

For the Xd manual trans harness yes, 4 wires so far.

Update: (auto trans only) I've found the harness discrepancy causing my P2770 code. The Xd ECM normally receives a signal from the SL solenoid on pin#58, but my Corolla harness has that wire on 57. Also the Corolla/Xd valve body's ground this solenoid internally vs the Yaris auto trans grounding this solenoid at the ECM. I just need to swap pins 57 to 58 and ground pin #9 at the valve body connector.

[maralieus]

So what did you need for cali smog? You just had to call ahead and tell them your plans and that's it? Then just make sure it has no check engine, cat, and that's about it? I'm very interested in doing this swap as my yaris tranny is getting iffy and the engine has 150k so it is in the cards.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Yes I called the BAR and they said no CEL, and all stock components.

[ArmstrongRacing]

This is the ECM I ordered from Ebay...I just have to finish up some wiring and Ill have a engine startup video.

[Bluevitz-rs]

what's the engine immobilizer situation and how are you addressing it?

[ArmstrongRacing]

My car does not have immobilizer, so I bought a non-immobilizer ECM. I believe all pre 2010 Xd's are non immobilizer.

If your car has immobilizer....I still dont know what exactly has to be done regarding keys. Someone will have to try it, or have the system removed.

[CoryM]

I know you guys would prefer this diy be formatted a certain way, but I am sharing this info with you guys as I go.

You're doing great. Keep it up! Whenever I do something worth sharing, I always find it difficult to document until after it's done. The effort is appreciated.

Cheers.

[3cyltrbo]

You're doing great. Keep it up! Whenever I do something worth sharing, I always find it difficult to document until after it's done. The effort is appreciated.

Cheers.

+1

[ArmstrongRacing]

Whenever I do something worth sharing, I always find it difficult to document until after it's done.

This is exactly how I felt about this diy, there is so much going on I feared a step would get forgotten if I waited until it was completed.

[beaker]

This is exactly how I felt about this diy, there is so much going on I feared a step would get forgotten if I waited until it was completed.

You're doing great! Worthy of many accolades for doing and sharing with the rest of us this engine swap.

Would you mind posting the part # of the ECM you bought, and what it was for?(ie year make model and specific options)

[beaker]

I finished all of my Corolla harness soldering today. I connected the battery and switched on the ignition and I immediately got a code for P2770-Torque Converter Clutch(auto trans).....Im not sure if this is a result of the hydrolock or what, looks like I need to do a bit more research...

Tomorrow I will finish my MAF wiring and fire it up...hopefully all goes well.

How did the wiring go for the corrolla harness to XD/yaris? Any left over wires, or were you able to terminate/find a place for all the wires? Just wondering how viable using a corrolla harness is.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Would you mind posting the part # of the ECM you bought, and what it was for?(ie year make model and specific options)

I mentioned the ECM part# in post #23....for an automatic transmission it is: 89661-52F71.

How did the wiring go for the corrolla harness to XD/yaris?

The Corolla harness has all of the necessary wires to connect successfully to the Yaris. The cons however are that it's a monumental task soldering all of the wires, and the ecm plug is not long enough to reach the original ECM location....I had to mount mine above the valve cover on the cowl. There are also a couple wires to change for the transmission plug.

[ArmstrongRacing]

For those of you with a auto transmission: If you use a Xd harness you won't need this step. If you used the Corolla harness pin#57 needs to be moved to #58. This is for the Sl/Slu+ solenoid.

[ArmstrongRacing]

This is the lock on the main harness connector(C20). You have to pop this grey tab out about 1mm before you can release the pins.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Next you need to slide a small pin into the pin release hole. Pull on the white #57 wire and wiggle a bit until it slides out.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Pop out the little rubber seal in pin location #58, and slide the wire in until it clicks. Install the rubber seal back into #57, then push the grey lock tab back in.

FYI: This pin removal/install procedure is the same for the ABS module plug, in case you used a Xd trans with no speed sensor.

[ArmstrongRacing]

This is the last of the auto trans related wiring. Because the Corolla/Xd have different ground circuits than the Yaris for the Sl solenoid, you need to open the trans harness about 8" from the plug and cut the blue wire at pin #9. Pull the wire out of the harness while still connected to the connector and attatch a eyelet, the ground the wire to the trans case here.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Now that all the wiring is complete, lets be sure the ECM is happy........yep, time to charge the a/c and take it for a drive...

[ilikerice]

YAAAAAY!

Congrats....

Only reason I am upset is because you have a CamCon that you were going to tune with the 1nz and share a mild tune with me.................:cry:

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thanks man.

Haha, Im sorry about the tune.....I never had a chance to install the Camcon either, life threw me a lemon and I had to make a batch of oh-so-sweet lemonade!

On a side note.....holy crap this car is a BLAST!

[tmontague]

so was the faulty trans ground the reaosn for the previous CEL that was regarding the torque converter?

[ArmstrongRacing]

so was the faulty trans ground the reaosn for the previous CEL that was regarding the torque converter?

It wasnt a faulty ground, just a difference in how the Corolla/xd is wired inside the transmission valvebody...2 wire changes and done.

[tmontague]

I see, but that wire you just grounded above was the reason for the torque converter cel?

[ArmstrongRacing]

That's correct

[ern-diz]

Why, oh why, are you holding out on the first start and test drive vid! :biggrin:

[ArmstrongRacing]

Ive edited the videos together up to this point, I need to do a test drive video along with some footage of this weekends autocross.

[aspro]

Im curious to see your time differences in autocross between the 1nz and 2zr... Ill be watching this closely. Good job btw, i bet a lot of people have been putting diesel fuel in there yaris' to justify an engine swap... Or maybe thats just me. :p

[tmontague]

i bet a lot of people have been putting diesel fuel in there yaris' to justify an engine swap... Or maybe thats just me. :p

:thumbsup:

[invader166]

I wonder...is there a big weight difference between the 2 engines?

[ArmstrongRacing]

On every engine Ive owned Ive had one of these guys. It never hurts to monitor your oil pressure especially when you push the engine like we do. This is a decent quality electronic gauge with a sender(not the nylon tube). Reasonably priced at $84. I normally remove the stock "dummy light" oil pressure switch and install the gauge sensor in that port. You'll also need Auto Meter adaptor #2269 because the block port is BSPT vs most oil pressure senders are NPT.

[tmontague]

Are you using a sandwich plate at the oil filter mount, or are you just removing the stock dummy sensor to plug the sender into?

I'll be wiring up oil pressure, oil temp and hopefully an afr gauge next summer. I agree it's very valuable to know when the engine is being pushed.

[ArmstrongRacing]

There is no way to use a sandwich plate adaptor on the 2zr, it has a canister filter. The gauge sensor goes where the dummy light switch is.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I would like everyone to read through this guide and inform me of any unclear elements. Also, Is this thread going to be a sticky or will it disappear once everyone gets over the excitement

[7:34pm]

I've been following this thread since start, and I know it's a long shot...

But I think it would be helpful to see something like this (below), so that people can get sense of what their options are.

I recall you saying the Xd swap was easy, only four wires, and I think a lot of people thought the corolla swap was going to be the same idea. That's probably why the confusion in the earlier pages when they saw you doing the wiring.

Would be nice to outline what was used for the swap, as far as what ECU is needed, what axles are compatible, transmission options, what mounts to use, technical difficulty of wire splicing involved, etc. I know you haven't done the Matrix swap, yet :biggrin:, but that could stay blank for now...

You should also do up a DIY on that oil pressure gauge!

[ArmstrongRacing]

Yeah.....Im not creating a chart. If you or someone else wants to create a chart ill be happy to share the info with you. I did however add a list of components to post #1.

Update: 232 problem free miles accumulated so far, no CEL, and EVERYTHING works fine. My first autocross is tomorrow, look for the video on my YouTube channel or FB page.

[CrankyOldMan]

I've been following this thread since start, and I know it's a long shot...

But I think it would be helpful to see something like this (below), so that people can get sense of what their options are.
It depends on what exactly you want the chart to contain. Are you looking at basic compatibility, or do you want all of the gory details like wire swap/pin locations?
I recall you saying the Xd swap was easy, only four wires, and I think a lot of people thought the corolla swap was going to be the same idea. That's probably why the confusion in the earlier pages when they saw you doing the wiring.

If you choose carefully, there's not a lot of wiring involved. The hurdle that Armstrong was up against was that his wire harness arrived without the fuse box connectors. It was just chopped off, so he had to splice in the connections. That said, I think the sedan connectors aren't compatible with the Corolla wire harness anyway, so you'd have to either sacrifice the original sedan wire harness or score one from a junk yard. The other option is to use both the 1NZ and 2ZR wire harnesses: strip them all the way down and then move wires/pins to the connectors that go on the finished vehicle.
Would be nice to outline what was used for the swap, as far as what ECU is needed, what axles are compatible, transmission options, what mounts to use, technical difficulty of wire splicing involved, etc. I know you haven't done the Matrix swap, yet :biggrin:, but that could stay blank for now...
The general rule is that the gearbox can stay. If you want the bigger axles and 5x100 hubs, swap in the xD gearbox, axles and hubs. Everything else depends on what wire harness you start with and which year/style your donor and recipient vehicles are. A quick look at the connector diagrams for the Matrix looks like it's identical in layout to the Corolla--though not necessarily the same electrically. Most of the electrical questions can be answered in the repair manual/EWD, which I downloaded at the same time as the Corolla. =)

[ArmstrongRacing]

Good info Cranky, good work.

On a side note, the 2zrVios took a foul weather win today in SMF. 2 Civics and a Mini fell victim to the 2zr. You can see a short video clip on my FB page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=500237700159026&id=279094372273361&ref=bookmark

[CrankyOldMan]

Good info Cranky, good work.

On a side note, the 2zrVios took a foul weather win today in SMF. 2 Civics and a Mini fell victim to the 2zr. You can see a short video clip on my FB page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=500237700159026&id=279094372273361&ref=bookmark

No need to thank me, just part of what I do for the YW community. =)

I love the comment from the announcer: "...an automatic Yaris! Oh no!"

[ArmstrongRacing]

Haha, the amount of trash talk I hear about the auto from people that dont know me is funny...people don't understand circuit racing is 70% driver skill....within classes a small percentage of what makes you a winner is car setup.

[Frank the Tank]

Also, Is this thread going to be a sticky or will it disappear once everyone gets over the excitement

Saving up for this swap as we speak. I'm excited everyday.

[CrankyOldMan]

...Is this thread going to be a sticky or will it disappear once everyone gets over the excitement

Looks like TK-421 has been active recently. He's one of the few moderators that still checks in. Try sending him a PM.

[tmontague]

Saving up for this swap as we speak. I'm excited everyday.

Where about in TO. are you located? When you get the engine swap in order let me know I'd love to come help you out. Are you planning on keeping the Yaris m/t and just getting an xD harness?

Anyone have any ideas how you'd go about getting around the engine immobilizer issue? My thoughts are you'd need to purchase the ecu that came with the new engine and remove the stock Yaris ECU. Then you'd probably also need to immobilizer module located on the steering wheel from the donor car and then have to swap that into the yaris.

Problem is, are all of these other parts plug and play when swapped from a donor car to Yaris?

[tmontague]

FWIW after reading some sites of other car's I came to this conclusion:

If you just swap in a 2zr engine and loom and keep the original ECU,immobilizer and keys then there will be no issue. The immobilizer will read the correct key and alow the car to start and run with no issues.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong

[ArmstrongRacing]

A ECM designed to run the 1nz will NOT run a 2zr.....completely different due to the dual vvti....but hey, everything on the internet must be true right? Lol.

[tmontague]

yes, very true. I should've clarified my above post. The ECU would not be needed for the immobilizer to work so you could install a matrix ecu for the 2nz and be fine. This was working for some Infinite owners.

Does the immobilizer use the ECU or is it simply just reading the key?

[CrankyOldMan]

The 08-09 xD did not have an immobilizer. The 09+ Yaris does. From what I can tell, the immobilizer has dedicated signal lines to the ECU. If the signals aren't there, the car won't turn over. My thought is that if the ECU doesn't have the inputs from the immobilizer in the first place, it doesn't matter that the key transponder and immobilizer are still in the vehicle. As far as I can see, there's no other connection from the immobilizer to the starter switch or relays.

Take it with a grain of salt, I haven't actually done the swap.

Edit: Here's the wiring diagram for the Yaris immobilizer. The only communications line that doesn't go directly to the ECU is pin 9, which is wired to the OBD II/DataLinkConnector (pin 7 - SIL). As far as I know, that's only used for external diagnostics. I would add a picture of the xD, but there's nothing to show for unused connections on the diagrams.

[CTScott]

The 08-09 xD did not have an immobilizer. The 09+ Yaris does. From what I can tell, the immobilizer has dedicated signal lines to the ECU. If the signals aren't there, the car won't turn over. My thought is that if the ECU doesn't have the inputs from the immobilizer in the first place, it doesn't matter that the key transponder and immobilizer are still in the vehicle. As far as I can see, there's no other connection from the immobilizer to the starter switch or relays.

Take it with a grain of salt, I haven't actually done the swap.

Edit: Here's the wiring diagram for the Yaris immobilizer. The only communications line that doesn't go directly to the ECU is pin 9, which is wired to the OBD II/DataLinkConnector (pin 7 - SIL). As far as I know, that's only used for external diagnostics. I would add a picture of the xD, but there's nothing to show for unused connections on the diagrams.

The immobilizer is fully linked to the ECM. The Transponder key ECU reads the key and sends the key data to the ECM. Without that data the ECM will not allow the engine to run.

SIL is the K line of ISO-9141. It was used for OBDII diags prior to CAN, but was used for the immobilizer and the comm between the SRS ECU and the ECM on 2nd gen Yaris and various other Toyotas up to 2012.

[CrankyOldMan]

The immobilizer is fully linked to the ECM. The Transponder key ECU reads the key and sends the key data to the ECM. Without that data the ECM will not allow the engine to run.

SIL is the K line of ISO-9141. It was used for OBDII diags prior to CAN, but was used for the immobilizer and the comm between the SRS ECU and the ECM on 2nd gen Yaris and various other Toyotas up to 2012.

So even with a non-immobilizer ECM, there's still a chance that the immobilizer will prevent the engine from running (via K-line)? Is the fix for that to just get a non-immobilizer ECM and disconnect the K-line from the transponder key ECU (or remove the transponder system entirely)?

[CTScott]

So even with a non-immobilizer ECM, there's still a chance that the immobilizer will prevent the engine from running (via K-line)? Is the fix for that to just get a non-immobilizer ECM and disconnect the K-line from the transponder key ECU (or remove the transponder system entirely)?

With one of the prior 2ZR swaps I helped with there was an issue where the non-immobilizer ECM started acting like it was immobilizer enabled when the chassis still had the transponder key ECM present. So, when installing a non-immobilizer ECM you do need to make sure that the transponder key ECU is disconnected.

Unfortunately the opposite is not true, where installing an immobilized ECM in a non-immobilizer car eliminates the immobilizer function.

[tmontague]

That's what i'm wondering. Can you just purchase a non immobilizer xD ecu and then just remove the immobilizer from the steering wheel and just run a regular tumbler and get new keys cut to match.

Therefore key turns tumbler to activate starter and ignition, no immobilizer to turn off the engine.

[CrankyOldMan]

That's what i'm wondering. Can you just purchase a non immobilizer xD ecu and then just remove the immobilizer from the steering wheel and just run a regular tumbler and get new keys cut to match.

Therefore key turns tumbler to activate starter and ignition, no immobilizer to turn off the engine.

I don't think you'd even have to go that far. From what CT is saying, you just have to disconnect the K-line from the key transponder ECU (pin 9). Same key, no need to remove the coil from around the tumbler, no need to remove the transponder ECU.

The key probably just has an RFID chip in it. The transponder coil is just a length of wire wound around the tumbler that acts as an antenna to "ask" the key what info it has. The transponder ECU converts the wireless signal into control/commands for the ECM, saying "go ahead and crank, it's the right key".

[CrankyOldMan]

With one of the prior 2ZR swaps I helped with there was an issue where the non-immobilizer ECM started acting like it was immobilizer enabled when the chassis still had the transponder key ECM present.

That makes sense from a design standpoint: our shift-by-wire products have to have a secondary communication system in case the direct line to the TCM fails. It's not always a second CAN line, so the K-line would be a viable backup.

[CTScott]

I don't think you'd even have to go that far. From what CT is saying, you just have to disconnect the K-line from the key transponder ECU (pin 9). Same key, no need to remove the coil from around the tumbler, no need to remove the transponder ECU.

The key probably just has an RFID chip in it. The transponder coil is just a length of wire wound around the tumbler that acts as an antenna to "ask" the key what info it has. The transponder ECU converts the wireless signal into control/commands for the ECM, saying "go ahead and crank, it's the right key".

Correct - Non-Immobilizer ECM and make sure comm between key ECU and ECM is disconnected and you don't have to change the ignition switch assembly, as the reader that is built in is not used with the connection split.

[ArmstrongRacing]

OR.....

Someone could leave all of the immobilizer parts intact, tow the car to the dealership, pay the techs $200 to try their best.....and possibly get answers for the whole community. If they fail, no big deal and you disconnect the ECU.

[CTScott]

OR.....

Someone could leave all of the immobilizer parts intact, tow the car to the dealership, pay the techs $200 to try their best.....and possibly get answers for the whole community. If they fail, no big deal and you disconnect the ECU.

There is a limited amount that Toyota techs can do. If you have the master key for the original immobilized ECM you can add new keys (so you could add a Yaris key to the XD ECM, if you got the XD with its original master key). Without the master key there is nothing Toyota can do (except replace the ECM and keys).

Beyond the dealership, it is possible to clear the existing transponder key data from the ECM (so that you can add new keys, as if the ECM is brand new), but that requires opening the ECM an desoldering and reflashing the EEPROM that stores the data.

[CrankyOldMan]

Beyond the dealership, it is possible to clear the existing transponder key data from the ECM (so that you can add new keys, as if the ECM is brand new), but that requires opening the ECM an desoldering and reflashing the EEPROM that stores the data.

Ooh! I hope it's a BGA package!!

[ArmstrongRacing]

A fellow dealership tech I know said you should be able to program keys via a locksmith too, I believe they can come to your house so it's worth a shot.

The unknown element here is "IF" the Yaris immobilizer system will communicate properly with the Xd ECM.

[brushforhire]

There is a limited amount that Toyota techs can do. If you have the master key for the original immobilized ECM you can add new keys (so you could add a Yaris key to the XD ECM, if you got the XD with its original master key). Without the master key there is nothing Toyota can do (except replace the ECM and keys).

When I worked for our Toyota dealership we would wipe cars that lost all the keys all the time. Now some of the older vehicles you had to replace the ECM, but the newer stuff like this we would just wipe and reprogram new keys. I know the tech has to be a Master Tech under Toyota and they hook up the car to the shop computer and they have to get Toyota themselves to do a master reset like that.

Here is a TSB about this: Linky (http://www.toyotapart.com/DIAGNOSTIC_TESTER_IMMOBILIZER_FUNCTIONS_T-SS003-02.pdf)

[CTScott]

When I worked for our Toyota dealership we would wipe cars that lost all the keys all the time. Now some of the older vehicles you had to replace the ECM, but the newer stuff like this we would just wipe and reprogram new keys. I know the tech has to be a Master Tech under Toyota and they hook up the car to the shop computer and they have to get Toyota themselves to do a master reset like that.

Here is a TSB about this: Linky (http://www.toyotapart.com/DIAGNOSTIC_TESTER_IMMOBILIZER_FUNCTIONS_T-SS003-02.pdf)

That doc is dated 2002. For the newer vehicles there is no such procedure, that I have ever seen documented.

[brushforhire]

They haven't changed anything about it since then, it is still the same procedure for lost keys and the such. We used to do them all the time for customers. Not sure how so many of our customers lost all their keys, but we did lots. Some of the nuances of the newer cars might have changed, but I know we were doing the newer cars, too. Like 2014's new.

Not sure how it would work for a swap like this, but it can probably be finagled.

I hope I don't seem like I'm being an ass or anything, I just worked at our Toyota dealership for 11 years. Seven of those were as a manager, and I was one of the ones who would authorize key codes requests and stuff like that, I just wanted to give a broader set of options for dealing with stuff like this.

If a dealership is telling you otherwise they are probably just being difficult, or don't have any master techs that have access to complete wipes and reprograms.

We would also run into this when people would bring in a valet to try and program a new master key and they would have to do a complete wipe and reprogram it all from scratch.

[CTScott]

They haven't changed anything about it since then, it is still the same procedure for lost keys and the such. We used to do them all the time for customers. Not sure how so many of our customers lost all their keys, but we did lots. Some of the nuances of the newer cars might have changed, but I know we were doing the newer cars, too. Like 2014's new.

Not sure how it would work for a swap like this, but it can probably be finagled.

I hope I don't seem like I'm being an ass or anything, I just worked at our Toyota dealership for 11 years. Seven of those were as a manager, and I was one of the ones who would authorize key codes requests and stuff like that, I just wanted to give a broader set of options for dealing with stuff like this.

If a dealership is telling you otherwise they are probably just being difficult, or don't have any master techs that have access to complete wipes and reprograms.

We would also run into this when people would bring in a valet to try and program a new master key and they would have to do a complete wipe and reprogram it all from scratch.

I don't doubt it. It would be crazy for there not to be a back door, but I just haven't seen any mention of it in any Toyota documentation for the past 10+ years.

[brushforhire]

I know on the older vehicles that do need a ecm replacement if the master key is lost, they will do a one time free ECU replacement to get new master keys programmed to it. I know as a precaution our techs always just programmed all keys to the vehicle as master keys.

I know when I was at Toyota if there wasn't a replacement documentation for a TSB like the one I linked to, it usually still applied. Toyota was usually really good for stuff like this. I do miss working for them sometimes. They were usually so organized and fantastic to work with.

Now chrysler and hyundai, now that's a different story, LoL.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Sorry to disturb the immobilizer discussion, but here are my 2zr swap MPG's...

This is combined city/highway with an hour sitting in traffic in the mornings AND Evenings.

[Bluevitz-rs]

Was that including the autox

[ArmstrongRacing]

No, just commuting to work, and I wasn't afraid of using wot to make some passes....and the a/c was running always...so expect an "average" of 30mpg combined.

[thebarber]

No, just commuting to work, and I wasn't afraid of using wot to make some passes....and the a/c was running always...so expect an "average" of 30mpg combined.

not terrible...

[Bluevitz-rs]

How is this compared to the 1NZ.

[ArmstrongRacing]

How is this compared to the 1NZ.

It depends on who you ask, but I was getting to about 320miles when the last bar starts flashing.

[Bluevitz-rs]

Yeah I meant your own back to back. So pretty close then. I wonder how a long trip would compare the two. Those numbers are pretty close.

[invader166]

I'm sure you could bump it up to 35-36 if you drive more conservatively and turned off the A/C. At any rate, I would expect it to be better sligtly better than an xD or Corrolla because it is a ligher vehicle.

[ArmstrongRacing]

So there we have it. The 2zr swap is smog legal(with certification), fast(I won my first autocross with it), fuel efficient, and according to the Corolla/Matrix forum it has no issues aside from sometimes needing a water pump.

[CrankyOldMan]

...so expect an "average" of 30mpg combined.

Not bad, considering that I get ~27 combined with the supercharger commuting on rural roads (55 mph) with LOTS of WOT action. Damn, now I really want this for my DD. :biggrin:

[tmontague]

So there we have it. The 2zr swap is smog legal(with certification), fast(I won my first autocross with it), fuel efficient, and according to the Corolla/Matrix forum it has no issues aside from sometimes needing a water pump.

What is your experience like in terms of acceleration and how it feels when driving compared to the 1nz? I know the whp increase ~30 or so but I'm curious as to how that feels to the driver. low end torque, wot pulls all that kind of stuff I'm curious about

[ArmstrongRacing]

I wanted a completely unbiased review of the car now having the 2zr....so I casually asked my wife her thoughts and this is her unedited response:

"I have no car intellect so I don't know why you would take a review from me

To my absolute surprise, the car is extraordinarily SMOOTH.
(You know with many changes I've seen cars feel like you walk in to vibrator... ) but you certainly did an incredible job.
The car feels very stable!

You were right when you said you hardly press on the gas and you're at 80.

And since I can tell you, I have felt very comfortable driving it.
It certainly dependably GOES when I need it to, sometimes "the power" still shocks me.. "-Mrs ArmstrongRacing

My review is simply this: Its F-ing awesome, you can feel the additional power and torque more than you would expect, it pulls hard through the gears with ease and no longer even sounds like a yaris. Knowing in the back of your mind that your sitting on a better power/weight ratio than a Celica Gt makes you feel invincible.

[tmontague]

argh you're making it so much harder for me to stay away from spending the cash on this swap down the road.

TBH If I ever did this swap it'd be more for the experience of swapping an engine and the HP increase would be a bonus. The dependability makes this so much more appealing than going boosted on my 1nz.

How did you end up going about fixing the mating issue between the 2zr header and the mid pipe flange? Also can you run a 2zr MAF sensor and just install it onto a 1nz intake tube (aftermarket intake), or will this mess with the ECU?

Any chance you could create a short separate thread (or a post on here) just briefly outlining what you'd have to do for the swap if you are keeping the Yaris trans and it is a manual? I think a lot of us are in that boat of wanting to do it the cheapest way possible (keeping the Yaris trans) and most of us have a m/t

[ArmstrongRacing]

Post #1 has a list of all the required components to complete this swap.

[tmontague]

thanks. I just was re reading the thread and noticed you updated it. Your ECU is not the original that came with your motor correct? You purhcased the ECU from an xD and the engine was from a Corolla?

[ArmstrongRacing]

You purhcased the ECU from an xD and the engine was from a Corolla?

Correct

[CrankyOldMan]

thanks. I just was re reading the thread and noticed you updated it. Your ECU is not the original that came with your motor correct? You purhcased the ECU from an xD and the engine was from a Corolla?

The trick for an MT swap is that you have to get the engine wire harness from a manual xD. Those are much harder to find, as they were a much smaller percentage of production. The body side of the ECU won't reach to the engine side of the Corolla/Matrix wire harness since it's next to the air intake/fuse box on the driver's side, whereas the Yaris and xD ECU lives on the passenger side. The alternative is to use the Yaris wire harness and splice the two together. That means taking them both all the way down to the wires, routing everything, and wrapping it back up with cable sleeves and tape.

Everything else from the swap posted here should apply. If you can score the midpipe from an xD, you won't have to have it fitted the way Armstrong did with his Corolla mid pipe.

If you can wait a few months, I'm planning to do this swap on my 09 M/T hatch. If not, you can get pioneer points for leading the charge. =)

[tmontague]

Hmm, care to explain a bit more about what you mean in regards to splicing in the yaris harness to whatever other harness you're talking about? I'm assuming you're talking about splicing it to a Corolla or Matrix harness however I thought those require much more changes to pin location. Seems like an xD harness is ideal if you can find one.

I'm looking forward to your engine swap, I will very likely be doing this once my 1NZ starts burning oil and dies. Since it's a Toyota this will still be a few years away. But i'm just getting everything understood.

I'm assuming you have an immobilizer as well?

Sounds like your swap would be identical to mine in the future.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I used a Corolla harness, and even though it is designed to end at the battery....you CAN flip the ECM plug harness over the valve cover and mount the Xd ECM to the cowl and then both connectors reach.

Im so glad more people are willing to take on this swap now, If you need ANY help send me a message here or on FB....I will respond

[ArmstrongRacing]

We had a 2010 Corolla get traded in today, so naturally I inspected the engine bay. What I was looking for is cooling system differences vs the Xd, and what I saw was.....nothing really. The Corolla uses the same size radiator the Xd and Yaris does, just with different hose routing and fans.

The Corolla ECM is also much larger than the Xd/Yaris.....

[CrankyOldMan]

Hmm, care to explain a bit more about what you mean in regards to splicing in the yaris harness to whatever other harness you're talking about? I'm assuming you're talking about splicing it to a Corolla or Matrix harness however I thought those require much more changes to pin location. Seems like an xD harness is ideal if you can find one.
Yes, an xD is ideal, which is why I lead with that. =) Splicing could be done either by removing pins and moving whole sections of wire, or by cutting and soldering/crimping as needed. Moving pins is better since it leaves less chance for loose connections or high internal resistance.
I'm assuming you have an immobilizer as well?

Yes, but as discussed a page or two back, buying a non-immobilizer ECU and disconnecting the SIL wire from the key transponder ECU solves that.

Sounds like your swap would be identical to mine in the future.
Potentially, though your profile pic looks like a sedan, not a hatch.

[beaker]

Does anyone know if the Yaris 1nz alternator and ac compressor will work on the 2zrfe? I know Armstrong Racing mentioned earlier that the starter from the Yaris would work, I'm just wondering if the Alternator and AC Compressor would also.

[ArmstrongRacing]

The 2zr uses a 5 rib belt vs the 1nz 3 rib. If there is a way to swap pulleys you can use the 1nz alternator and a/c compressor....

[tmontague]

Armstrong, how'd you know exactly what pins were what on the Corolla harness so that you could put them the correct way when you moved all the pins to match the fuse box? I'm assuming you had the electrical diagrams from a Corolla?

[CoryM]

The 2zr uses a 5 rib belt vs the 1nz 3 rib. If there is a way to swap pulleys you can use the 1nz alternator and a/c compressor....

I've not looked at the setup, but it may be possible to use the 3 rib belt on the 5 rib pulley. So long as both belts are "PK" belts, the rib spacing is the same. You'd still have to ensure things are lined up nicely.

Cheers.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Armstrong, how'd you know exactly what pins were what on the Corolla harness so that you could put them the correct way when you moved all the pins to match the fuse box? I'm assuming you had the electrical diagrams from a Corolla?

Correct. I have ALL of the diagrams for the Yaris, Corolla, and Xd.....And I spent about a week studying and creating wiring instructions for myself...it was not an easy task.

[ArmstrongRacing]

When you get your oil pressure gauge hooked up, you will notice it idles at about 12psi. Dont be alarmed, the 2zr has completely different oil pressure specs from the 1nz.

3.6psi or more at idle
22-58psi at 3000rpm

[beaker]

The 2zr uses a 5 rib belt vs the 1nz 3 rib. If there is a way to swap pulleys you can use the 1nz alternator and a/c compressor....

The alternator shouldn't be a problem, just need an impact wrench to get the pulley off I would imagine, unless it's pressed on. The AC compressor would probably be a little tricky, as they usually require specialty pullers that the average person wouldn't have in their tool box.

I know the water pump pulley is a press on, so changing the 2zrfe to the 1nz 3 rib would probably not work, and I bet the diameter on the water pump shafts aren't the same. Then there's the crank pulley....

Would be better to just source 2zrfe accessories.

[MedMantle]

Here in SA we only have the 1.3l and the 1.8 T-Sport. Originally I wanted to swap to 1.5 but this is definitely looking like a good deal. I am just wondering Armstrong, do you think if I could find a 1.8 T-Sport I could use all the parts from it to do a direct swap? We don't have Scion's here and importing the bits would be costly. But I have to do it, I raced a Corolla last night and just-just lost. It has really sparked interest in this swap :D

[CrankyOldMan]

Here in SA we only have the 1.3l and the 1.8 T-Sport. Originally I wanted to swap to 1.5 but this is definitely looking like a good deal. I am just wondering Armstrong, do you think if I could find a 1.8 T-Sport I could use all the parts from it to do a direct swap? We don't have Scion's here and importing the bits would be costly. But I have to do it, I raced a Corolla last night and just-just lost. It has really sparked interest in this swap :D

If you can get a Yaris T-sport (1.8L), it should all be bolt-on. But why not just buy a 1.8L?

[MedMantle]

My sister owned one and it was great as far as I can remember but I love my 4 door, my soul is in this car haha I am also so sure it should all just bolt on. I'm hoping to find a scrapped one, maybe I'm lucky and get the 6-speed box as well :D

[CrankyOldMan]

You've got a C154. The 6-speed on the 2009 T-Sport from Europe is the EC67. You have to have all the supporting hydraulic lines and mounts to make it fit, since it's a completely different family of gearboxes. Probably need the drive shafts and hubs, too. Now that I think of it, I don't know that the C154 will bolt up to the 2ZR. I would assume it can, since the 1NZ bolts to the C50. Probably best you start another thread for that discussion. =)

[ArmstrongRacing]

My sister owned one and it was great as far as I can remember but I love my 4 door...

I also have a sedan, a TRD edition with power everything, so I feel the same about keeping the car. Your swap will be easy just like ours being that you have the Tsport there. Wrecked Yaris' are hard to come by though so you may have to search for a used engine from another 2zr equipped car, and then get the smaller items new from Toyota like I did.

[MedMantle]

I'm gonna try and check out a T-Sport if I can find one on the road. The bits I'll need off it would probably be equivalent to the ones on the Scion! I'll do some research! And yeah, to find wrecked T-Sports isn't proving to be very successful haha
Stoked, I've got something to ponder on and CrankyOldMan, you are correct. I don't want to make work for myself so I'll stick to the engine swap.. for now :P

[ArmstrongRacing]

I finally got my GoPro video up!

https://youtu.be/zk9bbkm4WQY

[tmontague]

Damn, that sounds nice. Good driving too!

[Bluevitz-rs]

Wow that thing really rips through the first couple gears

[CrankyOldMan]

Nice recovery over the finish!

[ArmstrongRacing]

Yeah this car is a blast....I have another autocross this Sunday, and the weather looks great so I'll get to use all the power. A friend that drives a Fiesta ST will be driving the car too to give some feedback.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Decals!

[ArmstrongRacing]

We were featured!! Wooo!

http://www.subcompactculture.com/2016/02/subcompact-showcase-armstrong-racings.html

[brushforhire]

Congrats, man! I am so stoked to do this swap to my hatch.

[beaker]

Man that's an awesome write up, Congrats!

I'm also in the process of trying to find a 2ZRFE for a swap. I'd like to find a salvage car, but looks like everything is around $2500 for an 08 or 09, plus all the fees associated from buying from CoParts. I can find engines all day long ranging from $700 to $1500. But of course, they have been stripped of all accessories like alternator, ac compressor flywheel, throttle body, wiring, etc. Just gotta be patience. Maybe something will pop up on Craigslist soon.

[beaker]

Can you image a forced induction 2ZRFE in a Yaris?

They are getting 230ish HP out of Turbo'ed Corrollas, conservative tune.

[tmontague]

Man that's an awesome write up, Congrats!

I'm also in the process of trying to find a 2ZRFE for a swap. I'd like to find a salvage car, but looks like everything is around $2500 for an 08 or 09, plus all the fees associated from buying from CoParts. I can find engines all day long ranging from $700 to $1500. But of course, they have been stripped of all accessories like alternator, ac compressor flywheel, throttle body, wiring, etc. Just gotta be patience. Maybe something will pop up on Craigslist soon.

seems like if you could find one for closer to the $700 mark, it might be worth your time to buy refubished parts that are missing such as the a/c compressor and what not. You'd likely still be ahead when i's all said and done. The only thing you'd have to source for sure is the wiring loom.

No doubt the full engine would be ideal, but if that's not to be found just take some time and gather parts over a couple months.

How the heck are they getting 230hp out of this engine but the 1nz it tough to get more than 135 hp off of a conservative tune? Is it an easier to manage ecu or what?

[beaker]

seems like if you could find one for closer to the $700 mark, it might be worth your time to buy refubished parts that are missing such as the a/c compressor and what not. You'd likely still be ahead when i's all said and done. The only thing you'd have to source for sure is the wiring loom.

No doubt the full engine would be ideal, but if that's not to be found just take some time and gather parts over a couple months.

How the heck are they getting 230hp out of this engine but the 1nz it tough to get more than 135 hp off of a conservative tune? Is it an easier to manage ecu or what?

I been looking at prices on separate stuff like the alternator, ac, flywheel, throttle body, etc, and I'm thinking I'd spend probably in the neighborhood of another $500 to $700. All the parts seem to be easy to find, except the the engine harness. When I have been able to find a harness, it was over $200.

Check out this website on the turbos.

http://www.turbokits.com/Toyota/Corolla/Turbo_Kits/TurboKits.com_Corolla_2ZR-FE_Turbo_Kit/1972/

[ArmstrongRacing]

The trick to finding everything you need is being super polite and asking for help with finding a complete engine still assembled. I had to make tons of phone calls until finally I talked to Erv at Calumet. He contacted everyone he knew in the business and a recycler 2 hours away had just pulled one out.....it was a immediate transplant into mine. Then you buy the rest from Toyota and within a few weeks you can be done!

Regarding boosting the 2zr, yes the potential is there. I have to pay off my swap loan first, then we can get crazy!

[ArmstrongRacing]

I had a fellow racer test drive my car today to provide some feedback. My friend John drives a number of cars but his favorite is autocrossing his Nissan Sentra SE. He said the car feels like you get a torque jump off the line and then you feel it again at 4000rpm. He mentioned how quickly the car gets to 80mph when entering the freeway. He also noticed how the auto trans shift mapping is much better and results in quicker more solid shifts....

I have a appointment with The Smoking Tire in April for them to review the car also!

[Frank the Tank]

I had a fellow racer test drive my car today to provide some feedback. My friend John drives a number of cars but his favorite is autocrossing his Nissan Sentra SE. He said the car feels like you get a torque jump off the line and then you feel it again at 4000rpm. He mentioned how quickly the car gets to 80mph when entering the freeway. He also noticed how the auto trans shift mapping is much better and results in quicker more solid shifts....

I have a appointment with The Smoking Tire in April for them to review the car also!

LOL YES! I love that channel!

[CrankyOldMan]

...All the parts seem to be easy to find, except the the engine harness. When I have been able to find a harness, it was over $200.

That sounds pretty standard. The real trick will be finding one that hasn't been cut anywhere. If you're feeling brave, you might find a similar one in a self-serve junk yard, strip it down, and make it fit. For example, the 09+ Corolla has the 2ZR, so all the connectors are there, you just have to re-route the ECU connector to the other side of the engine bay--the Yaris/xD is on the passenger side, the Corolla is on the driver's side.

[ArmstrongRacing]

I have a spare Corolla harness, but it was cut at the fusebox end.....Ill donate it to the first person that actually starts the swap.....and you gotta be willing to do all the soldering.

On another note, I won again this weekend even though I didn't do my best...

https://youtu.be/WxOtsRiVXCU

[7:34pm]

Noob question. If you are using the corolla engine, but with the Xd ECM... then aren't you only limited to the power of the Xd ECM of 126hp?

Are you planning to do any tuning?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Noob question. If you are using the corolla engine, but with the Xd ECM... then aren't you only limited to the power of the Xd ECM of 126hp?

This is actually a very good question. I have heard arguments that the Xd exhaust header is tight and restricting causing the lower peak hp, but I dont know thats true due to almost identical torque ratings. Ive always suspected the Xd ECM does have a more conservative tune, but Ive been told thats not the case. The only way to know for sure....is for me to go do some dyno pulls. I have a complete Corolla engine and exhaust, so if I put down equal hp and torque, we will know its the Xd tune.

I do have a Camcon Ex to tune my 2zr with, once the BAR certificate is affixed.

[brushforhire]

Welp, just got off the phone with my local yard. Looks like I got most of the swap coming for under $850. Glad I work for a dealership. :) I just got to buy some a/c lines and I'm golden. I will start a build thread shortly.

Thank you so much for posting this how to and clarifying how easy this can be to do.

[tmontague]

I vote you post your build experience on her or on a new thread so us future swappers can learn as much insight as possible on the different ways to do the swap

Looking forward to your build! BTW, $850 seems ridiculously cheap, how'd you swing that?

[brushforhire]

I managed to snag that price, by basically just building a relationship with the local yard over the past 11 years. We help them out with parts when they need them, and when I need random stuff like this, if they can cut me a break they will. This was way better than I expected though. Engine only has 65k on it.

I will probably start a new build. The plan is to provide photos from beginning to end.

I have to redo my entire exhaust and that helped push me to start it sooner. I am doing the XD front brake upgrade with SS lines form Micro image also. I am hoping to get some Megan coilovers on the car while I am doing all this.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Welp, just got off the phone with my local yard. Looks like I got most of the swap coming for under $850. Glad I work for a dealership. :) I just got to buy some a/c lines and I'm golden. I will start a build thread shortly.

Thank you so much for posting this how to and clarifying how easy this can be to do.

Awesome! Im looking forward to another swap among the ranks!

[Frank the Tank]

My 2006 doesn't have abs.
Does that mean I'm limited to using the yaris transmission?

Edit: also am I limited to using anything else like what harness/ecu/ecm?

[ArmstrongRacing]

My 2006 doesn't have abs.
Does that mean I'm limited to using the yaris transmission?

Edit: also am I limited to using anything else like what harness/ecu/ecm?

Without ABS you are limited to any trans with a speed sensor, that is compatible with the 2zr/1nz bell housing. Unless there is a way to install a speed sensor into the Corolla/Xd trans...

[CrankyOldMan]

Unless there is a way to install a speed sensor into the Corolla/Xd trans...

It's "simple" to do so, in that you have to split the gearbox, pull the tapered roller bearings off the driver's side of the differential, install the plastic speedo gear, and then swap the blank cap from the gearbox with an appropriate speed turbine sensor. You can do that in a weekend with a few gear pullers, bearing separators and a 20 ton hydraulic press. =D

The quicker way is to spend the same cash on a used gearbox from the year you need. Probably in the $400 range for a used one with low miles.

[CrankyOldMan]

My 2006 doesn't have abs.
Does that mean I'm limited to using the yaris transmission?

Edit: also am I limited to using anything else like what harness/ecu/ecm?

I'm not sure that it will prevent your car from running, but it would mean the ECU would try to throw a CEL/Wrench light constantly. I'm not sure that any year of the xD had a separate transmission turbine input. Hmm. Now I'm really confused...

-Edit-

I looked at the EWD for the '06 Yaris and it has the same connection for the instrument cluster as the xD. Where that signal comes from in the ECU, I can't say for sure. I would assume that it comes from the ABS sensors on the xD hubs, so you may have to at least swap those over to restore your speedo functionality. I guess the only way to know for sure is to put it in and see what it does.

-Edit edit-

That of course would require swapping in the wire connections for the ABS sensors in the hubs. Hmm. You may be in a tough spot here, unless you use an aftermarket speedo.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Just use your yaris trans...the 2zr with bolt ons only makes about 150hp so its not going to break it

[Frank the Tank]

Just use your yaris trans...the 2zr with bolt ons only makes about 150hp so its not going to break it

lol ya

[ArmstrongRacing]

Update: Ive put 2100 miles on my 2zr so far, no problems yet. Im going to send in a oil sample when I do the first oil change. I have another autocross in just over a week, and Ill probably wait 6 months before I go back to a racetrack. I want to be sure all is well before I run 20 minute sessions.

[Frank the Tank]

Lets start, here's whats needed:

1)2ZRFE engine with ALL components and accessories from a 2009+ Xd, Corolla
2)ECM from a 2008-2009 Xd applicable to your car in auto or manual trans
3)Xd engine harness also applicable to your car and transmission choice.
4)Xd RH engine mount and bracket
5)Xd exhaust midpipe
6)Xd intake AND MAF sensor
7)Xd a/c compressor lines
8)Mini-add-a-circuit

Read through the entire thread to learn as much as possible before beginning. Good luck!

is it a must to have these parts from an xd?
finding a xd in manual is difficult enough, let alone finding a manual ecm and harness.

can some of these parts be taken off a corolla or matrix? such as the mounts/intake/exhaust/etc?

edit: more importantly the electronics?

[CrankyOldMan]

The wire harness is going to be tough, no doubt. I found quite a few on car-part.com, but most are in the $350 range. The MT ECM is pretty common on there, can be had for $50-75 USD. If you want to use the Corolla or Matrix electronics, you have to get the small ECU connector from the engine wire harness to reach all the way from in front of the passenger's seat to the fuse box/battery.

[ArmstrongRacing]

On post #1 I put a tip there for everyone so we aren't discussing the same questions over and over....

"Please read the entire guide"

The 10+ corolla ECM has immobilizer but I dont know about the 09, and the corolla harness does not match in any way.

[beaker]

On post #1 I put a tip there for everyone so we aren't discussing the same questions over and over....

"Please read the entire guide"

The 10+ corolla ECM has immobilizer but I dont know about the 09, and the corolla harness does not match in any way.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the wiring harness on the XD was the same whether it was from a manual or auto trans car?

[CrankyOldMan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the wiring harness on the XD was the same whether it was from a manual or auto trans car?

Nope. The engine wire harness includes the A/T park/neutral position indicator or the M/T back-up light connector, depending on the trans. If you don't care about backup lights, then either will work for an M/T. I don't know that the A/T ECM will be happy about not getting info from the trans, especially for the key lock signal.

[ArmstrongRacing]

^Not only the P/N switch, but the other trans plug that controls the entire valvebody....and then there is the overdrive solenoid on top of the trans...

I used an auto trans corolla harness....and it was a nightmare. I had to cut the fusebox connectors off and solder on the connectors from my 1nz harness....AND relocate my Xd ECM. Dont try this without great wiring experience.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Another win for the 2zrVios!

[brushforhire]

Very nice. Looking at some of those times of the way more expensive cars, and seeing what you do, it really is awesome to see. When people ask why "waste our time" with our cars, this is exactly why.

[ern-diz]

Puttin' a hurtin' on the Speed 3... Impressive!

[Jason@SportsCar]

Another win for the 2zrVios!

Did you beat STF?

[ArmstrongRacing]

Did you beat STF?

I did, but mostly because STF ran on a wet course...and it was completely dry for SMF.

I am doing well so far, but I know the car has so much more speed in it. Im far from being a National champ, but Im learning as I go.

[Jason@SportsCar]

I did, but mostly because STF ran on a wet course...and it was completely dry for SMF.

I am doing well so far, but I know the car has so much more speed in it. Im far from being a National champ, but Im learning as I go.

Since your car really is more of an STF car that seems like a better barometer than a weak SMF field. :wink: Get some race tires.

[ilikerice]

^^I agree, compare your times to the STF guys. your goal is to beat them by a couple seconds. It is good that you are coming in 1st in SMF. All it takes is a decently prepped civic and you will know what humble feels like, lol.. Congrats on your 3rd win

[Jason@SportsCar]

^^I agree, compare your times to the STF guys. your goal is to beat them by a couple seconds. It is good that you are coming in 1st in SMF. All it takes is a decently prepped civic and you will know what humble feels like, lol.. Congrats on your 3rd win

I think something a little bigger is going to be his challenge.:laugh:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sv521uSVgo1hsWXOkfsFGpBVJU8FmhQ2BvX8EQyrNgtJ8waoJ8 VVSAW2aBM9TOJ6Uid5=s630-fcrop64=1,196235fcffd4f907

[ArmstrongRacing]

I am keeping a close eye on Mike H. and that RSX....and my goal is to beat his time eventually. You guys must also understand he is a National champ level driver in a FAST car. Im sure a really good driver could beat him with how my car currently sits, but a 130hp yaris on springs isnt the same as a fully prepared RSX.

[CrankyOldMan]

I am keeping a close eye on Mike H. and that RSX....and my goal is to beat his time eventually. You guys must also understand he is a National champ level driver in a FAST car. Im sure a really good driver could beat him with how my car currently sits, but a 130hp yaris on springs isnt the same as a fully prepared RSX.

Agreed. There was a Civic that showed up from time to time locally (prepped for nationals) and whooped up on everyone. And even then, he had a lot of room to improve for national level competitiveness. My hamfisted technique was no match for him. =)

[ArmstrongRacing]

Here's the video

http://youtu.be/NtYTpn6JGaI

[ArmstrongRacing]

I think something a little bigger is going to be his challenge.:laugh:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sv521uSVgo1hsWXOkfsFGpBVJU8FmhQ2BvX8EQyrNgtJ8waoJ8 VVSAW2aBM9TOJ6Uid5=s630-fcrop64=1,196235fcffd4f907

^ This is what Ive been anticipating all year....to see where I stand against "The Beast"

[xnamerxx]

I wouldn't really call Bretts car "the beast". Back in 2013 I could usually keep within a second or two of that car, even with his wing and R comp tires. He generally couldn't keep up with the Wongs or Will Kalman in their STC cars.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Oh....in that case I may have a chance with the R1's!

[ArmstrongRacing]

Another Feature!

http://www.apexjunky.com/featured/garage-files-import/armstrong-racing-yaris-little-toyota/

[ArmstrongRacing]

I talked to RPM today and started setting up a wholesale account. Everyone that completes a 2zr swap will get a discount on the long tube header and midpipe!

[CrankyOldMan]

I talked to RPM today and started setting up a wholesale account. Everyone that completes a 2zr swap will get a discount on the long tube header and midpipe!

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/241/9e9.gif

[brushforhire]

I talked to RPM today and started setting up a wholesale account. Everyone that completes a 2zr swap will get a discount on the long tube header and midpipe!

So... I wonder if they do rebates after the fact? LoL

[ArmstrongRacing]

So... I wonder if they do rebates after the fact? LoL

They mentioned your header when we talked, Ill see what we can do. If we cant work out a rebate, maybe I can send you some Amsoil at cost to make up for it.

[end user]

Ok this thread is BS, I should not have read it now my Bronco might have to spend another year not getting FG body parts :(

I guess I'll find out eventually, anyone know the legality of this swap with an older than 2011 engine into a 2011 Yaris in British Columbia? I guess I could look for a older Yaris with a bad/blown engine and swap in a newer engine.

[Supra_Yaris]

I see you have a wheelwell profile. Get Matt Farah to do a one take!

[ArmstrongRacing]

I see you have a wheelwell profile. Get Matt Farah to do a one take!

I Already have an appointment with him for May 2nd, hoping my header is done on time!

[tmontague]

Nice! Lookin forward to the video

[Supra_Yaris]

I Already have an appointment with him for May 2nd, hoping my header is done on time!

Nice! Can't wait to see it!

[ArmstrongRacing]

I thought I should tell you guys about something cool I've noticed with the 2zr. After driving this around and racing I believe anyone(like myself) would get accustomed to the additional power after a while. But there is one aspect I LOVE that you guys will also notice and appreciate.

When accelerating to change lanes or to get onto the interstate the car accels normally until right around 4000rpm....after 4 it feels like you have vtec and you get this surge forward all the way to redline. It's so addictive!

[ern-diz]

....after 4 it feels like you have vtec and you get this surge forward all the way to redline.

Pardon my mechanical ignorance, but isn't VVT-i just V-Tech under a diff name? I've done a little research, but haven't been able to understand the difference. They're both just variable valve timing, right? Why is it that the Honda guys talk about 'V-Tech kicking in' and it seems VVT-i doesn't?

[tmontague]

Pardon my mechanical ignorance, but isn't VVT-i just V-Tech under a diff name? I've done a little research, but haven't been able to understand the difference. They're both just variable valve timing, right? Why is it that the Honda guys talk about 'V-Tech kicking in' and it seems VVT-i doesn't?

My understanding it vtec has valve lift where vvt-i is just variable timing. You essentially notice more "boost" w/ vtec but vvti is spread out more evenly through the rpm range.

The 2zr has dual vvti and I thought it also has valve lift capabilities which is likely why you feel the pick up after 4k.

Someone correct my post if incorrect

[MugenRep]

True VTEC (there are other ECO Vtecs now) has 3 lobe intake and/or exhaust cams that operate via a VTEC solenoid operated by raising oil pressure and the vehicles ECU to switch between a low lobe lift/duration initally and then a secondary lobe which has little more, and then to one that has very aggressive rates for life/duration. Modern I-VTEC also control timing on the intake cam via VTC in addition to the more aggresive intake/exhaust cams as revs rise.

If you ever go to a meet or show and see a loud high idle Honda, they're usually running a "VTEC KILLER" which is eliminiting the lost motion system which allows the lobes to change and just running the 3rd lobe which is hte most agressive. They dont' idle right under normal idle conditions because the cam profiles are too big.

[ern-diz]

My understanding it vtec has valve lift where vvt-i is just variable timing. You essentially notice more "boost" w/ vtec but vvti is spread out more evenly through the rpm range.

The 2zr has dual vvti and I thought it also has valve lift capabilities which is likely why you feel the pick up after 4k.

Someone correct my post if incorrect

True VTEC (there are other ECO Vtecs now) has 3 lobe intake and/or exhaust cams that operate via a VTEC solenoid operated by raising oil pressure and the vehicles ECU to switch between a low lobe lift/duration initally and then a secondary lobe which has little more, and then to one that has very aggressive rates for life/duration. Modern I-VTEC also control timing on the intake cam via VTC in addition to the more aggresive intake/exhaust cams as revs rise.

If you ever go to a meet or show and see a loud high idle Honda, they're usually running a "VTEC KILLER" which is eliminiting the lost motion system which allows the lobes to change and just running the 3rd lobe which is hte most agressive. They dont' idle right under normal idle conditions because the cam profiles are too big.

Interesting, thanks.

[ArmstrongRacing]

The 2zr does not have valve lift, only cam advance and retard. Another interesting bit of info is that the 2zr uses the same hydraulic lash adjusters as the V6 2grfe. Completely different system VS the 1nz.

Now if only I had a spare set of 2zr cams to send out for a regrind!

[fnkngrv]

Spare cams are always tricky to come across unless of course you do things like over boost the snot out of the engine and blow 8 holes through the block....lol.

Sent from m-o-b-i-l-e

[ArmstrongRacing]

Well I would probably just buy a longblock from the auto recyclers, they are only $800.

Jason has informed me that the regrinds are not ideal for us Solo racers, because we need torque more than horsepower. So for now I'm going to focus on getting an LSD.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Update: 4,340 miles accumulated on my 2zr, I have my oil sample bottle ready. My RPM long tube header is on the way....and Im set up to do baseline dyno pulls tomorrow with the 2zr stock

[LTHatch]

That sounds awesome, i wonder if you'll break 115 fwhp with it the way it is, and what kind of gain the long tube will give.

[brushforhire]

This is what I pulled from one of the scion sites:

Originally posted by Richard Holdener (Dynatek)

Here are the dyno results of the new long-tube header for the 1.8L Yaris TS and Scion xD (possibly other apps as well).
Equipped with just a home-made air intake, the otherwise stock Xd produced 123 wheel hp and 121 ft-lb of torque.
Equipped with the long-tube headers and 2.5-inch mid pipe (2.25 would work equally well) and no axle back, the motor produced 134 wheel hp and 134 ft-lb of torque.
At just 3000 rpm, the header and mid pipe offered an additional 15 ft-lb of torque.

Next we installed the prototype of the Xd intake manifold. The peak power numbers jumped to 148 hp and 137 ft-lb of torque.
At 6000 rpm, the intake offered gains of 16 hp.
It appears from this testing that if we add an NST u-pulley and receive the same results as we did on the 1.5L Yaris motor, the 1.8L can produce a real 150 wheel hp (possibly more if it reponds favorably to the FIC).
BTW-We already made 151 wheel hp with a version of the intake that won't be offered for sale-it adds a bit more peak power but sacrafices too much elsewhere)

[LTHatch]

That's damn good power, was it auto as well? If so a manual 2zr would probably break 130 with just an intake.

Brushforhire: You are installing your long tube soon, any chance you can do a couple of in car videos of how she accelerates?

[MugenRep]

I wonder if the 2zr-fe lower end can hold a 1nr-fe head and work with the iQ front differential? I guess it would depend it if mounts to the transmission. Maybe I'll order an iQ tranny gasket and Xd tranny gasket and compare.

[brushforhire]

That's damn good power, was it auto as well? If so a manual 2zr would probably break 130 with just an intake.

Brushforhire: You are installing your long tube soon, any chance you can do a couple of in car videos of how she accelerates?

Not totally sure about the trans that was dyno'd.

I can try and figure out how to take some vids. I don't really have anything that would work well. Holding my Nikon would be really awkward, lol. Maybe time to get a gopro.

[ArmstrongRacing]

That's damn good power, was it auto as well? If so a manual 2zr would probably break 130 with just an intake

Im pretty sure their results are from a manual transmission car, it's impossible to do a full rev-range dyno pull with the auto, Because you cant keep it from down-shifting below 3000RPM.

[fnkngrv]

Im pretty sure their results are from a manual transmission car, it's impossible to do a full rev-range dyno pull with the auto, Because you cant keep it from down-shifting below 3000RPM.

;-)

Sent from m-o-b-i-l-e

[LTHatch]

Brushforhire: That's far too much especially after what you've invested in the swap, i'll just keep an eye for your review on your 2zr Yaris.
ArmstrongRacing: Ahh i see thank you, didn't know that about automatic transmissions.

[ArmstrongRacing]

This weekend was the SCCA Oceanside Showdown in San Diego. Since I am allowed Rcomps in SMF I ran a set or used BFG R1 S tires. They didnt help me at all, I have no experience with these tires and I drove them like a street tire, they never went above 130 degrees in a 50 second course. I got destroyed by the Yawsport TL.

http://youtu.be/DRo1OAZsBkg

They weighed my car after the competition and its at 2362, so I sisnt gain any weight from the 2zr swap!

[ArmstrongRacing]

I received my RPM long-tube header, now To get this installed by May 2nd for the "one take" with Matt Farah.

[thebarber]

I received my RPM long-tube header, now To get this installed by May 2nd for the "one take" with Matt Farah.

i love it

side note: do you think the new corolla 6 speed would fit on your 2zrfe in your yaris engine bay?

by extension, would the corolla 6 speed bolt to a 1nzfe AND fit between the frame rails?

[ArmstrongRacing]

i love it

side note: do you think the new corolla 6 speed would fit on your 2zrfe in your yaris engine bay?

by extension, would the corolla 6 speed bolt to a 1nzfe AND fit between the frame rails?

When we swapped the Xd 2zt/C50 into Computerlove's 09 LB, we used a big hammer to make room....so I would assume it would be the same procedure for any non-1nz power train

[ArmstrongRacing]

Here is last weekends autocross video!

http://youtu.be/ezT3yJ0fN20

[ern-diz]

Here is last weekends autocross video!

http://youtu.be/ezT3yJ0fN20

Fun watch, thanks for sharing.

[froger]

No hammer needed when using a EC series 6sp transmission,the cases of the new EC 6sp transmissions are shorter,the length is about the same as the older 5 sp
c series transmissions.This is due to new case and gear design, Toyota went to a 2 piece case design.(c transmissions are a three piece case)
In Europe ,the yaris used a EC 6 sp on later generations of the 1.8 ts and 1.33.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Here are some pictures from my RPM long tube header install...

[ArmstrongRacing]

No way around it, the coating will get scratched upon install. I had to bend the bracket tab to get this in from underneath, and I also had to make a indent on the firewall for A/F sensor clearance

[ArmstrongRacing]

This is how my exhaust shop did my midpipe. RPM sent me an extra flange and gasket to make this a bolt-in header. I highly recommend installing a flex joint though, as I get a lot of vibration at idle with the a/c on...

[ArmstrongRacing]

This is my rear O2 sensor extension, this is required with the RPM header due to its length.

[brushforhire]

Very nice.

[CrankyOldMan]

No hammer needed when using a EC series 6sp transmission,the cases of the new EC 6sp transmissions are shorter,the length is about the same as the older 5 sp
c series transmissions.This is due to new case and gear design, Toyota went to a 2 piece case design.(c transmissions are a three piece case)
In Europe ,the yaris used a EC 6 sp on later generations of the 1.8 ts and 1.33.

True, but the EC uses a special throwout bearing with an integrated cylinder, which means your clutch system has to be changed to accommodate it. You could probably fab up your own lines, but I don't know if the US clutch master cylinder would work with the EU integrated throwout bearing/cylinder.

[Jeff Lange]

The ZSP90 used the same clutch master cylinder with the C56 and EC67.

If you bought an EC67 and it didn't come with any of the hydraulics, the following parts are what you'd need:

31400-59015 - Cylinder, Slave (with integrated release hub, includes bolts)
31407-52010 - Bleeder, Clutch Slave
91551-80820 - Bolt, Clutch Slave Bleeder (Qty: 2)
31482-52090 - Tube, Clutch (Slave to Bleeder)
31126-20090 - Boot, Clutch Tube
31482-52100 - Tube, Clutch Bleeder to Flexible Hose
90461-08567 - Clamp, Bleeder to Hose Tube
31484-52160 - Bracket, Tube to Hose (Transmission Side)
91671-80810 - Bolt, Tube and Bracket (Qty: 2)
90947-02G28 - Hose, Transmission to Body

Everything on the body side is the same between the C56 and EC67.

There are LH mount differences as well, however the RH/rear mounts are the same for C56 and EC67. The axles are the same between the two as well.

12372-37141 - Mount, RH Side
12325-37100 - Bracket, RH Mount
12351-37100 - Damper, RH Mount

Jeff

[CrankyOldMan]

The ZSP90 used the same clutch master cylinder with the C56 and EC67.

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Jeff

Wow, that's awesome work!

[ArmstrongRacing]

So this happened...

[Bluevitz-rs]

Awesome. When does it air?