Help a former Civic hatch guy!!!

[Greenbean]

So I am in the market for a Yaris hatch...

I used to be in the Honda world years ago, Did some engine swaps (don't want to anymore) Had one lowered to race, one lowered for DD. Couple EFs (88-91) one EG (94) also had a 2000 EX, and an Acura RSX-S.

NOW fast forward to 2017...

Married, home owner, keeping my older Land Cruiser but am going to trade the Tacoma in on a Yaris hatch I hope. I need something I can tinker with and such.

I really want a manual, but am not sure what the "best" year or generation is? If there is one...

I would love a newer LE but seems if you want keyless entry you have to get an auto. :( I will not be hetting a fully loaded model. I want a base to start with.

SO probably I'll end up in an L 3-dr to begin with and go from there. part of me can't believe Toyota will put an up to date Entune BT unit on a base model but no factory keyless entry remote.


Guess I'm looking for a manual tranny...

I'll be tinting the windows, Eibach springs for starters, brace the chassis a little, new wheels and tires and just making a good fun car for myself. Doubt I'll dive into the audio. I do like the BT in my 2015 Tacoma, it's just stupid convenient. And the back up camera has been a life saver.

No track days, I want to keep the engine as reliable as you'd expect a Toyota to be. Possibly an intake if there are some and maybe a nice muffler, I need to keep it civil on the freeway.

The search is on, and we haven't ruled out ordering a 2018 L 3-dr MT also.

I have a great relationship with the local dealer as they have ordered Tacomas for me in the past with great success. Nothing crazy like TRD models I just like the 4-cyl engines in Tacomas so they have to order them. Wild I know.

Thanks in advance gang...

This is the Yaris that has me wanting a hot hatch again! Google is great!

[enviri]

"best" generation might just be the newer one (ncp131, 2012+) considering all the support in japan, better stability, improved chassis.

Outside of the obvious exterior differences, the 2 generations of yaris in US (06-11, 12+)
they share the same basic suspension, and same engine. Many many things are interchangeable between the two.

getting an L? look for an SE rear axle for rear discs :P

engine? beat on it! if it blows (REALLY hard to), get a new one for about 500!

[Greenbean]

So would TRD components listed as 1st Gen bolt onto the 2012+?

I appreciate the heads up on chassis stuff being improved in the 2nd Gen.

I didn’t realize they all shared the same engine.

[enviri]

it might be better to call the 06-11 as 2nd gen, and 2012+ as 3rd gen.
1st gen is the echo, other countries call it a yaris, japan named it vitz, which all our generations are named.(not sedan)

depends on the trd component. most will. shock/springs/rear sway bar are shared, for instance.

[IllusionX]

The SE is definitely worth getting.

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[enviri]

yeah i would rather an SE over an L also. SE has the rear discs and..cooler headlights.

[Greenbean]

Thing is the SE can’t be had as a 3-dr. 5-dr only.

Guess I can look into it but I really want a traditional 3-dr small hatch. [emoji4]

[enviri]

ah, 3 door, right. i guess you can do a bit of parts swapping. lol.

[Greenbean]

So am I spoiled to want power outside mirrors?

Argh!!!

[enviri]

SE!

[Greenbean]

Honestly folks,

The 2018 L 3-dr M/T is looking real good.

ESP in my signature color (Silver)

It has a tach, full B/T connectivity and it seems I may get lucky with it being pre-wired for mirrors.

Also the gauge cluster has the symbols for cruise so maybe it’ll be pre-wired for that too.

The only other M/T model in the US is the SE. So I’m sure it’s the same ECU. I added cruise to my old 2013 regular cab Tacoma this way also, It was completely pre-wired.

I’m willing to take the chance I think.

I’m still needing to contact my dealer and get the OTD prices on the two models, not to mention availability.

[ern-diz]

BS Goodwrench - hilarious!

[Greenbean]

Thanks, it’s a stupid nick name my family gave me as most of my cousins are FT mechanics or instructors now, lol...

We love to talk shop but I don’t work on other people’s cars for the money like they do. However I was a service advisor for Honda/Acura/BMW for 15 years as my first “career.” So I hold my own when we get down to the nitty gritty!

[Dodge Aries K]

I bought a 2016 L with a manual brand new. Same thing, wanted the 2 door with a stick. I added cruise and power mirrors to my car. All prewired. Going to work on factory keyless entry next, just need a day where I can tear half of the interior out in two of the Yarises here.

[deng]

I agree with enviri. Also to add, not only do you get the rear discs with an SE, but also larger front brakes.

imo 5 doors > 3 doors. A manual SE is a rare breed. :)

[enviri]

I agree with enviri. Also to add, not only do you get the rear discs with an SE, but also larger front brakes.

imo 5 doors > 3 doors. A manual SE is a rare breed. :)

but hey, you can always swap it in....:iono:
huge pain in the butt to find one....or i get off my lazy butt and fabricate an adapter for the masses.

[Greenbean]

The other goal is as little and short of a car loan this next go around.

With my equity in the Tacoma as a trade I'm looking at only 213/month and paid off in 3-yrs or less.

Hence the base L 3-dr, M/T.

[Bluevitz-rs]

NO first gen part are interchangeable with the newer models. They completely redesigned everything except for the Long Block.

[Captain Yaris]

I’m with Greenbean, and that’s why I bought my 2016 Yaris L. I can live without most amenities, except A/C (I live in So. florida.) I will tell you the one thing I wish I had is cruise control because I drive 175 miles each way to work. I reject the new technology. I feel that it’s complicated and driven the cost up on our vehicles. I also feel it’s given way to inept lazy drivers. Most people say I’m a 70 year old in a 37 year old body, but that’s just the way I see it. Everyone is different. When looking for my Yaris I liked the look of the 3DR better. It looks sporty and so I was willing to ease up on the upgrades because I knew down the road I would customize it. I honestly am a little disappointed with the aftermarket support for this car. That being said, all of you have done an amazing job upgrading and customizing with what little you’ve had to work with. I know I’ve gotten a little off topic, but you have to ask yourself, what do I really want? If you like the 3dr, you will always want it and if you buy the 4dr you’ll always be looking back over your shoulder at “the other girl” that got away. Good luck with your decision.

[Greenbean]

NO first gen part are interchangeable with the newer models. They completely redesigned everything except for the Long Block.



Interesting!

Really? I can’t find much yet, So does the 2018+ become the 4th Gen?

Edit: NM, I found some Wiki Info and it’s still a 3rd Gen but now I’m confused!

I would definitely want the rear sway and tower bracing...

[WeeYari]

Interesting!

Really? I can’t find much yet, So does the 2018+ become the 4th Gen?

Edit: NM, I found some Wiki Info and it’s still a 3rd Gen but now I’m confused!

I would definitely want the rear sway and tower bracing...What exactly are you confused about?

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[Greenbean]

If first gen parts swap to the 2nd or 3rd?

Or do I need to only stick with 2012 and up suspension stuff?


I can see a lot or 07-11 susp parts and can those indeed be installed on a 2018?

[WeeYari]

If first gen parts swap to the 2nd or 3rd?

Or do I need to only stick with 2012 and up suspension stuff?


I can see a lot or 07-11 susp parts and can those indeed be installed on a 2018?Engine, suspension and exhaust are upward compatible from Gen2 to Gen3.

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[Greenbean]

Thanks!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Give up on a manual SE (which I know you weren't really leaning towards anyway). Unless they changed the allocation for the 2018, I remember there being only ONE 2017 manual SE in the entire US back in either May or June, and it was somewhere in the east coast. I forget when I last checked (I used to sell Toyotas, quit back in July).

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I would, if I were you, go and sit/test drive a new one. I know I can't even sit in one for more than 10 minutes as they've changed the fixed lumbar support for the 3rd gen. It's unbearable for me. At least the seats in the SE (that's all the dealership I worked for ever got).

[Type-Y]

Thanks!

So, what happened?