SCCA Classing Update - I WAS WRONG!! - Toyota Yaris Forums

ozmdd · 10-14-2009, 01:06 PM

Ok, this may be the biggest reversal in recent memory for me. All of my legal-ese experience let me down here, and Yaris-X is actually correct.

Here is the reply from the SCCA rules person I asked:

Hi, Michael,

From the 2009 Solo Rules, 12.4, Standard Part, 2nd sentence (page 55): “Port-installed options provided by the factory are considered to be the same as those installed on the factory production line.”

Basically, anything that can be installed before it gets to the dealer is considered to be a standard part.

Hope this helps.

- Doug
Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Competition Manager

This really makes the Yaris a serious competitor in HS. Now, what other stuff can you special order and get put-on at the port??

kngrsll · 10-14-2009, 01:08 PM

interesting... springs, shocks, sway bar, TRD japan makes alot, so if you can get it through the dealer, hmm lol

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozmdd

Ok, this may be the biggest reversal in recent memory for me. All of my legal-ese experience let me down here, and Yaris-X is actually correct.

Here is the reply from the SCCA rules person I asked:

Hi, Michael,

From the 2009 Solo Rules, 12.4, Standard Part, 2nd sentence (page 55): “Port-installed options provided by the factory are considered to be the same as those installed on the factory production line.”

Basically, anything that can be installed before it gets to the dealer is considered to be a standard part.

Hope this helps.

- Doug
Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Competition Manager

This really makes the Yaris a serious competitor in HS. Now, what other stuff can you special order and get put-on at the port??

read the part in bold.

TRD rear sway bars are NOT provided by the factory. it's just a rebadged bar from Hotchkis or similar.

he's still wrong, and you're still right

frownonfun · 10-14-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

read the part in bold.

TRD rear sway bars are NOT provided by the factory. it's just a rebadged bar from Hotchkis or similar.

he's still wrong, and you're still right

i see what your saying but is that common knowledge to most? would they know something by Toyota Racing Development was actually just another brand rebadged?

not trying to contradict or disagree with you... just wondering if SCCA naivete (or expertise?) is something to consider on this matter?

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by frownonfun

i see what your saying but is that common knowledge to most? would they know something by Toyota Racing Development was actually just another brand rebadged?

not trying to contradict or disagree with you... just wondering if SCCA naivete (or expertise?) is something to consider on this matter?

SCCA expertise is not the issue here. it's the fact that if you run a port installed (and not factory available) rear swaybar in H stock, you ARE CHEATING. now, if everyone in your class is ok with you cheating, then technically you're not. but the "port installed" loophole is not gonna cut it in this case.

sorry yaris-X

frownonfun · 10-14-2009, 02:46 PM

ok my bad. didn't think it was such a moral issue. just figured rules, in many cases, depend upon who is interpreting them.

but like i said i'm not disagreeing with you, it's clear that a TRD sway bar would be illegal in this class.

(imo though, who's gonna know?)

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 02:54 PM

i agree with you, and i am not saying that you shouldn't run HS with a rear swaybar, i just don't think broadcasting to the world that it's "scca legal" is a very "moral" thing to do.

it's only legal if you get caught.

and more importantly, try keeping up with an HS MINI cooper anyway lol. they're pretty much the class leader.

frownonfun · 10-14-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

and more importantly, try keeping up with an HS MINI cooper anyway lol. they're pretty much the class leader.

that's what i hear.

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by frownonfun

that's what i hear.

i don't see an HS MINI driver stopping to contest an RSB on a Yaris anyway

frownonfun · 10-14-2009, 03:13 PM

yeah i doubt it. out of curiosity, does the MINI come with a sway bar from the factory? or is it an option at least from the factory?

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by frownonfun

yeah i doubt it. out of curiosity, does the MINI come with a sway bar from the factory? or is it an option at least from the factory?

the mini has fully independent rear suspension

it's actually designed to handle, unlike the yaris, where the rear suspension was designed to keep the bumper from touching the ground

frownonfun · 10-14-2009, 03:17 PM

well there is about a $10,000 difference between the two. i'd personally love a mini but i like low car payments even more.

Yaris-x · 10-14-2009, 03:21 PM

I still think i'm right even after that reply because toyota makes very few parts themselves. all the parts except body pannels are out sourced they go to companys and ask them to bid on a part the lowest bidder gets to make the part w/ Toyotas name on it. So yes some company made the sway bar and put TRD logo's on it but so is every other part. The reason that Definition is even in there is because I had my Solo Chair call our Regional Rep and had her question it at one of there national meetings I was questioning Scion specifically(I aloso own an xA) So low and behold 2009 Rules come out and there is the Definition. ANY PART INSTALLED AT PORT IS A FACTORY INSTALLED OPTION. Toyota and no other comany is installing this part it is on the window sticker it is on the build sheet forever for that VIN number as a Stock part.

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 03:31 PM

you go chase those HS MINI's then!

Yaris-x · 10-14-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ozmdd

This really makes the Yaris a serious competitor in HS. Now, what other stuff can you special order and get put-on at the port??

That is the unfortunate question That is the only part that is benificial on the Yaris.

Scion gets alot more.

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaris-x

That is the unfortunate question That is the only part that is benificial on the Yaris.

Scion gets alot more.

a lot more garbage..

like LED's in the cup holders

and subwoofers

scion dropped the ball on the xA as far as "performance" parts go.

Yaris-x · 10-14-2009, 05:30 PM

Yes scion did drop the ball on the xA that why my wife got that and I went out and bought the yaris. but the tC can leave the factory with alot more performance.

TRD 18" x 7.5" 5-Spoke Alloy Wheels $1,999 (L7)
TRD Struts/Shocks Kit (TS)
TRD Lowering Springs Kit (TL)
TRD Assembly Clutch (TC)
TRD Quick Shifter (TQ)
TRD Sport Muffler (37)
Trd Rear Sway Bar (HR)

All these are PORT options

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaris-x

Yes scion did drop the ball on the xA that why my wife got that and I went out and bought the yaris. but the tC can leave the factory with alot more performance.

TRD 18" x 7.5" 5-Spoke Alloy Wheels $1,999 (L7)
TRD Struts/Shocks Kit (TS)
TRD Lowering Springs Kit (TL)
TRD Assembly Clutch (TC)
TRD Quick Shifter (TQ)
TRD Sport Muffler (37)
Trd Rear Sway Bar (HR)

All these are PORT options

and only the struts will make it actually faster at autocross.. the 18's ? get outta here, they're ridiculously heavy.

10-14-2009, 01:06 PM	#1
ozmdd Reluctantly Crouched... Drives: 2008 Yaris HB M/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 867	SCCA Classing Update - I WAS WRONG!! Ok, this may be the biggest reversal in recent memory for me. All of my legal-ese experience let me down here, and Yaris-X is actually correct. Here is the reply from the SCCA rules person I asked: Hi, Michael, From the 2009 Solo Rules, 12.4, Standard Part, 2nd sentence (page 55): “Port-installed options provided by the factory are considered to be the same as those installed on the factory production line.” Basically, anything that can be installed before it gets to the dealer is considered to be a standard part. Hope this helps. - Doug Doug Gill SCCA Solo Competition Manager This really makes the Yaris a serious competitor in HS. Now, what other stuff can you special order and get put-on at the port??

10-14-2009, 01:08 PM	#2
kngrsll Apexing Egg!! Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris white hatch Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 872	interesting... springs, shocks, sway bar, TRD japan makes alot, so if you can get it through the dealer, hmm lol __________________ HighTach Motorsports 2007 Toyota Yaris-ARGH!! Mods: Tokico HTS, 6.6 kg F, 6.1 kg R custom springs, 23 mm RSB, 2-way TRD LSD, 15x7 +25 Team Dynamic wheels, 195/55/15 Dunlop Star Specs, Cobra Suzuka S

10-14-2009, 02:46 PM	#6
frownonfun View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris HB, 08 SR5 Tundra Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RGV, Texas Posts: 1,086	ok my bad. didn't think it was such a moral issue. just figured rules, in many cases, depend upon who is interpreting them. but like i said i'm not disagreeing with you, it's clear that a TRD sway bar would be illegal in this class. (imo though, who's gonna know?) __________________ I crush you like tiny clown car, because you are clown, yes?

10-14-2009, 03:13 PM	#10
frownonfun View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris HB, 08 SR5 Tundra Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RGV, Texas Posts: 1,086	yeah i doubt it. out of curiosity, does the MINI come with a sway bar from the factory? or is it an option at least from the factory? __________________ I crush you like tiny clown car, because you are clown, yes?

10-14-2009, 03:17 PM	#12
frownonfun View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris HB, 08 SR5 Tundra Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RGV, Texas Posts: 1,086	well there is about a $10,000 difference between the two. i'd personally love a mini but i like low car payments even more. __________________ I crush you like tiny clown car, because you are clown, yes?

10-14-2009, 03:21 PM	#13
Yaris-x Drives: 2008 Yaris HB Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Syracuse Posts: 101	I still think i'm right even after that reply because toyota makes very few parts themselves. all the parts except body pannels are out sourced they go to companys and ask them to bid on a part the lowest bidder gets to make the part w/ Toyotas name on it. So yes some company made the sway bar and put TRD logo's on it but so is every other part. The reason that Definition is even in there is because I had my Solo Chair call our Regional Rep and had her question it at one of there national meetings I was questioning Scion specifically(I aloso own an xA) So low and behold 2009 Rules come out and there is the Definition. ANY PART INSTALLED AT PORT IS A FACTORY INSTALLED OPTION. Toyota and no other comany is installing this part it is on the window sticker it is on the build sheet forever for that VIN number as a Stock part.

10-14-2009, 05:30 PM	#17
Yaris-x Drives: 2008 Yaris HB Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Syracuse Posts: 101	Yes scion did drop the ball on the xA that why my wife got that and I went out and bought the yaris. but the tC can leave the factory with alot more performance. TRD 18" x 7.5" 5-Spoke Alloy Wheels $1,999 (L7) TRD Struts/Shocks Kit (TS) TRD Lowering Springs Kit (TL) TRD Assembly Clutch (TC) TRD Quick Shifter (TQ) TRD Sport Muffler (37) Trd Rear Sway Bar (HR) All these are PORT options

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