GOOD-BYE YARIS, HELLO FIT!

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by nsmitchell

I'm on FitFreak as HarrisonGreeleyIII. hehe A little Mr. Show character.

The '09 Fit is a phenomenon. The aerodynamics allow it to kick butt in the MPG arena.

Toyota should do some homework. The Yaris with a more aerodynamic front end would rock some MPGs.

HUH? allow it to kick who's butt in mpg? the chevy aveo? the fit has a drag coefficient of .30, which is good. the yaris sedan and hatch have drag coefficients of .29, even better. even the 09 corolla has a better cd at .29 as well. the yaris is quite aerodynamic.

all variants of the yaris are rated with at least 35 mpg, with the stick rated at 36 mpg. the ONLY fit rated at 35 mpg is the automatic base model. the stick base model fit is rated at 33 mpg. the sport fit (both auto and manual) are also rated at 33 mpg ( the body cladding/weight/transmission? likely hurts the mpg for the sport model by messing up the aerodynamics/gearing.)

i mean, c'mon. some of the fit variants actually went from 34 mpg in the 08 model to the current 33 mpg in the 09 model.

the reason i originally bought the yaris over the fit was due to the propensity of yaris owners to cosnsistently get 40+ mpg without much effort and the lack of consistency in fit owners reported mileage.

so, to rephrase: the yaris' aerodynamics allow it to kick butt in the mpg arena. honda should do their homework. a more aerodynamic fit could rock some mpg's.

[custom Lftback]

Originally Posted by roxy1

HUH? allow it to kick who's butt in mpg? the chevy aveo? the fit has a drag coefficient of .30, which is good. the yaris sedan and hatch have drag coefficients of .29, even better. even the 09 corolla has a better cd at .29 as well. the yaris is quite aerodynamic.

all variants of the yaris are rated with at least 35 mpg, with the stick rated at 36 mpg. the ONLY fit rated at 35 mpg is the automatic base model. the stick base model fit is rated at 33 mpg. the sport fit (both auto and manual) are also rated at 33 mpg ( the body cladding/weight/transmission? likely hurts the mpg for the sport model by messing up the aerodynamics/gearing.)

i mean, c'mon. some of the fit variants actually went from 34 mpg in the 08 model to the current 33 mpg in the 09 model.

the reason i originally bought the yaris over the fit was due to the propensity of yaris owners to cosnsistently get 40+ mpg without much effort and the lack of consistency in fit owners reported mileage.

so, to rephrase: the yaris' aerodynamics allow it to kick butt in the mpg arena. honda should do their homework. a more aerodynamic fit could rock some mpg's.

wow, someone knows their stuff!
Yaris is the car that all (non-hybrid's) should be compared to for mpg's, because it rocks the competition!!

[niko3257]

Originally Posted by roxy1

HUH? allow it to kick who's butt in mpg? the chevy aveo? the fit has a drag coefficient of .30, which is good. the yaris sedan and hatch have drag coefficients of .29, even better. even the 09 corolla has a better cd at .29 as well. the yaris is quite aerodynamic.

all variants of the yaris are rated with at least 35 mpg, with the stick rated at 36 mpg. the ONLY fit rated at 35 mpg is the automatic base model. the stick base model fit is rated at 33 mpg. the sport fit (both auto and manual) are also rated at 33 mpg ( the body cladding/weight/transmission? likely hurts the mpg for the sport model by messing up the aerodynamics/gearing.)

i mean, c'mon. some of the fit variants actually went from 34 mpg in the 08 model to the current 33 mpg in the 09 model.

the reason i originally bought the yaris over the fit was due to the propensity of yaris owners to cosnsistently get 40+ mpg without much effort and the lack of consistency in fit owners reported mileage.

so, to rephrase: the yaris' aerodynamics allow it to kick butt in the mpg arena. honda should do their homework. a more aerodynamic fit could rock some mpg's.

I'd like to know where you got your info from on the drag coefficient of .30 for the fit?
cause i have been searching since before the car was on sale in the us.
I know all the people on FF would like to know also. cause they can't find
it. please state your source.

[roxy1]

[QUOTE=niko3257;157745]I'd like to know where you got your info from on the drag coefficient of .30 for the fit?
QUOTE]

i went here:

http://automobiles.honda.com/informa...relations.aspx

i called them ealier this year when i was looking into the fit and the corolla as my next car. i also could find absolutely nothing about the cd on the fit, which i found odd since its not hard to find this info somewhere on most cars. the person i spoke with could not answer my question, so took my email and said she would get the answer from a tech person. i got an email about 2 or 3 days later. admittedly. it was something to the effect of "thank you for your inquiry. it appears the drag coeffieint for the new fit is .30."

in fairness, perhaps i should not have stated it as a pure fact.

to be honest, i wasnt too confident in the validity of that answer, but at the time i figured it must be one reason why the fit wasn't rated higher on the highway. if the fit was more slippery than a yaris, why would none of the fits be rated as high as the yaris manual, and only one of the fits (the base auto) be rated as high as the auto yaris? also take into account the the automatic base fit runs at lower rpm's on the highway than the yaris automatic, so something is keeping the highway mpg from being any higher.

i understand that frontal area may play a role in additon to the cd, so perhaps the fit is taller and/or wider than the yaris. or maybe its more simple (i.e. the yaris engine is just more fuel efficient than the fit engine)

it may be nitpicking, since i think driving style will dictate who gets 40 mpg and who gets 35 mpg given the same route. i believe if i drove any fit, i could achieve very close to the same numbers as i do in my corolla and at least come very close to what i did in my yaris.

[roxy1]

this is interesting. out of curiosity, i decided to see if i could get linked directly to a technical support person at honda. so, i called the above referenced contact number. the rep put me on hold to see what she could find out from a tech person, but would not let me speak directly to one. after about 4 minutes, she came back and read this, verbatim, to me:

"Because of the many different methods of calculating drag coefficients, Honda Motor Corporation chooses not to publish these numbers."

i guess that is the reason why nobody can find this information on the net. i have found this info on every car i have researched except the fit, though i was provided with a cd number for the 09 fit (as discussed above) this summer. ive seen cd numbers on older civics. its an odd stance they are taking on this.

[voodoo22]

I like the new Honda FIT more than the previous and I like both of them overall, better than the Yaris, but I'm not paying 2-3,000 more for a car similarly equipped to our Yaris which also gets worse FE. This car segment is all about saving money for most people and until Honda Canada puts their prices inline with the Yaris, they will continue to lose sales based on price and FE alone.

[nsmitchell]

Folks - Please - Listen. My '09 Fit Sport is rated at 28 CITY and 33 HWY.

I am getting well into the 40s on the highway. Better than my Yaris LB at the same speeds on the same highways. I don't know how to be more clear. FIT > YAIRS in MPG. Many folks on FitFreak are reporting similar MPGs. http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-g...ports-yet.html

Toyota needs to wake up and smell the coffee that Honda is stealing from them.

Honda has made a more refined car, with better HP, room and MPG. Granted at a few $1000 more. It also has better options like - Cruise control, NAV, TCS, VSC, 7 airbags standard. Come on...

The Yaris is cute compared to the Fit, but the fit is a way better car in every other aspect.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by nsmitchell

Folks - Please - Listen. My '09 Fit Sport is rated at 28 CITY and 33 HWY.

I am getting well into the 40s on the highway. Better than my Yaris LB at the same speeds on the same highways. I don't know how to be more clear. FIT > YAIRS in MPG. Many folks on FitFreak are reporting similar MPGs.

Toyota needs to wake up and smell the coffee that Honda is stealing from them.

Honda has made a more refined car, with better HP, room and MPG. Granted at a few $1000 more. It also has better options like - Cruise control, NAV, TCS, VSC, 7 airbags standard. Come on...

The Yaris is cute compared to the Fit, but the fit is a way better car in every other aspect.

i agree the fit is an overall better car. it should also cost more than a yaris.

the facts are: the yaris is rated higher in mpg than the fit. many yaris owners are getting outrageous highway mileage. i do not hypermile and i got an average of 42.38 mpg's (over a 13 month period) on a suburban commute which included traffic lights and stop signs, and 3 months of that was michigan winter.

there are too many 09 fit owners who are not achieving great mileage. i have found , more consistently, yaris owners who get great mileage.

bottom line. the fit is an overall better car. it should be as it costs a fair amount more than a yaris. the yaris beats the fit more consistently in mpg.

i have a couple friends who drive fits (2007 and 2009 models). it seems that they cant accept that the yaris beats the fit at one single thing. they both paid $4000 more than i paid for my yaris ($12800). i tell them its ok, to accept that they paid more and got a better car with a bit fewer mpgs....and RELAX... if you wanted a cheaper car with higher mpg's..should have bought the yaris.

[blktiger60]

Originally Posted by nsmitchell

Folks - Please - Listen. My '09 Fit Sport is rated at 28 CITY and 33 HWY.

I am getting well into the 40s on the highway. Better than my Yaris LB at the same speeds on the same highways. I don't know how to be more clear. FIT > YAIRS in MPG. Many folks on FitFreak are reporting similar MPGs. http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-g...ports-yet.html

Toyota needs to wake up and smell the coffee that Honda is stealing from them.

Honda has made a more refined car, with better HP, room and MPG. Granted at a few $1000 more. It also has better options like - Cruise control, NAV, TCS, VSC, 7 airbags standard. Come on...

The Yaris is cute compared to the Fit, but the fit is a way better car in every other aspect.

You may get 40 MPG but I can gaurantee you if I was driving, it wouldn't - period.

[PaidTimeOff]

Originally Posted by nsmitchell

Granted at a few $1000 more.

This is where the FiT loses me. If I had a few thousand more to spend, I wouldn't have been looking at subcompacts.

[Carrot Top]

Originally Posted by PaidTimeOff

This is where the FiT loses me. If I had a few thousand more to spend, I wouldn't have been looking at subcompacts.

I would of bought the Matrix instead of the Yaris, simply for the extra space. I LOVE hatchbacks, I'm not a sedan kinda girl. I do really like my experiences with Toyota so far.

[nsmitchell]

I have gotten great highway miles in my Yaris. Over 46MPG. You could see my posts except for the YW site crash. The only thing is my Fit got 46.6mpg on the highway using cruise control at 65MPH. My scanguage tells me that my Yaris just can't pull those numbers unless I'm hypermiling. If I hypermiled the Fit it would most likly get in the 50s, which I only got once in my Yaris, going 55MPH with cruise control on a fairly flat highway.

The Fit's 5 speed auto may be responsible for the great MPGs.

[PaidTimeOff]

Originally Posted by nsmitchell

I have gotten great highway miles in my Yaris. Over 46MPG. You could see my posts except for the YW site crash. The only thing is my Fit got 46.6mpg on the highway using cruise control at 65MPH. My scanguage tells me that my Yaris just can't pull those numbers unless I'm hypermiling. If I hypermiled the Fit it would most likly get in the 50s, which I only got once in my Yaris, going 55MPH with cruise control on a fairly flat highway.

The Fit's 5 speed auto may be responsible for the great MPGs.

Just curious, were these numbers the ones posted on your FiT realtime mpg screen, actual fill-up calculation, or did you plug in your scanguage to test?

[roxy1]

if you look at the mileage forum for the new fit over at fit freak, youve got all kinds of folks sayin, "im happy, i got 42 mpg on my computer." from the looks of things, the fit computer mileage is way off (4 mpg for many of them). so, there arent that many of them actual breaking 40 mpg in real life. im not bashing the fit. it is a terrific car. i almost traded my yaris for one, but in the end went with the more sedate, comfortable (for me) ride of the corolla, with just as good, or better, mpg's from all the data i could find from real drivers and from my real life experience after 3 tanks. im just adding a little reality to the hyperbole.

[Bob_VT]

Originally Posted by roxy1

if you look at the mileage forum for the new fit over at fit freak, youve got all kinds of folks sayin, "im happy, i got 42 mpg on my computer." from the looks of things, the fit computer mileage is way off (4 mpg for many of them). so, there arent that many of them actual breaking 40 mpg in real life. im not bashing the fit. it is a terrific car. i almost traded my yaris for one, but in the end went with the more sedate, comfortable (for me) ride of the corolla, with just as good, or better, mpg's from all the data i could find from real drivers and from my real life experience after 3 tanks. im just adding a little reality to the hyperbole.

Yup honda is known for having accuracy problems. Remember when they got busted for having the odometers running too fast and making cars go out of warranty faster. They had to notify 6 million owners http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...ter-usat_x.htm Which makes people think they are getting better MPG.

[PetersRedYaris]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Yup honda is known for having accuracy problems. Remember when they got busted for having the odometers running too fast and making cars go out of warranty faster. They had to notify 6 million owners http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...ter-usat_x.htm Which makes people think they are getting better MPG.

This is true, I was notified about our 2006 Civic. But what's strange is the speed indicated on the digital speedometer (at interstate speeds) matches my Garmin GPS exactly. So my mileage was never off to begin with...

Also, mileage indicators in cars have always been known to be optimistic. What's really cool in the Fit though, is the immediate mileage indicator. Most people don't know how to drive their car to acheive maximum mileage, but this makes it fool proof. Every car should have one... Are you listening Toyota?

[nsmitchell]

Originally Posted by roxy1

if you look at the mileage forum for the new fit over at fit freak, youve got all kinds of folks sayin, "im happy, i got 42 mpg on my computer." from the looks of things, the fit computer mileage is way off (4 mpg for many of them). so, there arent that many of them actual breaking 40 mpg in real life. im not bashing the fit. it is a terrific car. i almost traded my yaris for one, but in the end went with the more sedate, comfortable (for me) ride of the corolla, with just as good, or better, mpg's from all the data i could find from real drivers and from my real life experience after 3 tanks. im just adding a little reality to the hyperbole.

Yep, that's a fact. The Fit's MPG computer is off. I don't know how it calculates but it needs work. The Scanguage can be tweaked each time you fill up, thus it can be very accurate. Mine is accurate to 1/10 of a gallon consistently. In my previous post my MPG calculator was actually under the real MPG number. Weird.

I can't wait to do another trip in the Fit. I may go to Charlottesville tomorrow, but that's only 130 miles round trip. My wife drives it most of the time! I wanna Fit!

[nsmitchell]

Originally Posted by PaidTimeOff

Just curious, were these numbers the ones posted on your FiT realtime mpg screen, actual fill-up calculation, or did you plug in your scanguage to test?

The 46.6 MPG was actual, at the pump, calculation. 242 miles using 5.2 gallons. 46.53 actually. My built in gauge showed 44 MPG. I didn't use my Scanguage, didn't need to since it's built in. Very Cool.

I can tell you the Fit will get better MPGs because I've done this same trip to Harrisonburg before and did't get 46.6 MPG in my Yaris. With cruise control my Yaris pulls about 40 to 42MPG on this trip. In the city I'm seeing roughly the same MPGs. Between 30-34MPG in both the Fit and the Yaris.