Toyota sandbagging the Yaris

[janders]

recently took a 2800 mile trip in my new 2010 sedan auto...first half of trip keeping tires at 45 lb i averaged 44.2 mpg keeping speed at ave 65mph....coming home i dropped tires to 32 lb and did a lot of 70 mph and averaged 42 mpg...highest tank was 46.7...lowest with some city was 38.2....the highest numbers were when i didn,t use the cruise and went easy on throttle....used a/c al the time and vehicle had 2000 miles on when i started...imo i don,t think its worth the harsh ride or the mpg to keep tires so hard!

[why?]

Originally Posted by michaelhay

MagMag, Cool, I'd like to get the same!
I get about 35MPg with 70% Freeway going 70mph / 30% City with no AC.
What do you mean by "a little care"... I thought I was careful but I may need a little more care

Thanks

Old thread, but to answer your q, first slow down. No reason to go faster than the speed limit. Also Check around the fuel economy forums, when you lift your foot off the pedal and the car has more than around 1500 rpms, the computer cuts the fuel flow to the engine, which also helps. Also look ahead, coast to stop signs, red lights, etc. Anticipate everything. Pretend there is a grenade below both the gas pedal and brakes. You have to use both as sparingly as possible.

I was able to achieve 44 mpg on my second tank from the dealer, without changing anything from delivery. I drove mostly shorter trips with some highway, lots of hills. It was not flat at all.

Driving for gas mileage just means you need to change your thinking. The fuel economy forum has a bunch of great ideas. And a scanguage can help a ton too.

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by janders

recently took a 2800 mile trip in my new 2010 sedan auto...first half of trip keeping tires at 45 lb i averaged 44.2 mpg keeping speed at ave 65mph....coming home i dropped tires to 32 lb and did a lot of 70 mph and averaged 42 mpg...highest tank was 46.7...lowest with some city was 38.2....the highest numbers were when i didn,t use the cruise and went easy on throttle....used a/c al the time and vehicle had 2000 miles on when i started...imo i don,t think its worth the harsh ride or the mpg to keep tires so hard!

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by BailOut

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

Sure, but only if were true.

[cali yaris]

If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

no, and no. I shop at a more expensive grocery store because it's convenient. My restaurant experience includes the ambience, so I don't usually sit near the kitchen or where waiters are constantly whisking by.

It's a weak analogy you present, but I'm sure many people would answer yes and yes.

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by BailOut

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

Would you believe me that I sit in my car each day for lunch and idle my car for an hour with the AC cranking during the summer? I do.

That must piss you off, huh?

For some comfort and convenience, I'm willing to pay for it. And really, how much does it cost to idle the Yaris for an hour? 50-75 cents maybe?

[HTM Yaris]

I'm with Garm on the restaurant thingy . You get what you pay for and you only get one life .

I avg 27 mpg on track days . With speeds ranging from 5 mph to 110 mph . But I will say there is a 100 lb difference in my "track" weight versus my "street" weight .

I usually avg 40 mpg in street form . My high being 49 mpg and my low being 36 mpg (first tank) . Yes I coast , draft , and don't brake for turns . My tire pressures are 32 psi for street , 34 psi for The Dragon , and 36 psi for the track .

[why?]

To me 5% sounds like nothing, and I would probably use that much fuel annoying some eco freak with a burnout or two just because I could.

If you do use enough fuel though, it could add up. However, at 15,000 miles per year at 40 mpg is 375 gallons. At 42 it is 357. that is 18 gallons. At $3 a gallon for gas that is $54 a year. Not a big deal to even me.

Now if the difference was 35 mpg to 45 mpg, @ 45 mpg it is 333 gallons, while 35 it is 429. That is a $288 difference, and could be worth it, even to me.

[KrazyDawg]

Originally Posted by BailOut

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

I created the following in an excel spreadsheet. If gas were $3/gal with x number of miles at x MPG.

MPG	Annual
	15,000
35	$1,285.71
36	$1,250.00
37	$1,216.22
38	$1,184.21
39	$1,153.85
40	$1,125.00
41	$1,097.56
42	$1,071.43
43	$1,046.51
44	$1,022.73
45	$1,000.00
46	$978.26
47	$957.45
48	$937.50
49	$918.37
50	$900.00
	20,000
35	$1,714.29
36	$1,666.67
37	$1,621.62
38	$1,578.95
39	$1,538.46
40	$1,500.00
41	$1,463.41
42	$1,428.57
43	$1,395.35
44	$1,363.64
45	$1,333.33
46	$1,304.35
47	$1,276.60
48	$1,250.00
49	$1,224.49
50	$1,200.00
	25,000
35	$2,142.86
36	$2,083.33
37	$2,027.03
38	$1,973.68
39	$1,923.08
40	$1,875.00
41	$1,829.27
42	$1,785.71
43	$1,744.19
44	$1,704.55
45	$1,666.67
46	$1,630.43
47	$1,595.74
48	$1,562.50
49	$1,530.61
50	$1,500.00
	30,000
35	$2,571.43
36	$2,500.00
37	$2,432.43
38	$2,368.42
39	$2,307.69
40	$2,250.00
41	$2,195.12
42	$2,142.86
43	$2,093.02
44	$2,045.45
45	$2,000.00
46	$1,956.52
47	$1,914.89
48	$1,875.00
49	$1,836.73
50	$1,800.00

[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by janders

recently took a 2800 mile trip in my new 2010 sedan auto...first half of trip keeping tires at 45 lb i averaged 44.2 mpg keeping speed at ave 65mph....coming home i dropped tires to 32 lb and did a lot of 70 mph and averaged 42 mpg...highest tank was 46.7...lowest with some city was 38.2....the highest numbers were when i didn,t use the cruise and went easy on throttle....used a/c al the time and vehicle had 2000 miles on when i started...imo i don,t think its worth the harsh ride or the mpg to keep tires so hard!

That right there is similar with what HTM and Cali are saying...everyone makes a choice, you have to balance comfort/convenience with your end goal. I can drive this car hard and still get over 32mpg all day long with a stock engine. To me that is priceless. My best friend which I consider the brother I never had drives a 99 pontiac grand am 3800 HO which is stock for him. If he drives that hard he gets 15mpg if he is lucky! Sure they are two different cars completely, but the mentality is the same...he could care less about 15mpg if he enjoys the car and has comfort/convenience which he feels he does. Different strokes for different folks.


As for the comments about sitting at lunch with the A/C going....yup, I did something like that saturday night. I was at the local bar and it was hotter than hade's nipples in there. I sat in my car more than once for 15-20 min to cool down...once again...comfort/convenience. Now where I draw the line is SUVs. Until they can come up with a way to get them to 30mpg or the equivalent without costing the buyer 50-100k as far as I am concerned they are extremely wasteful and need to be crushed at the junk yard. A soccer mom with 2 kiddies can get the same comfort/convenience and safety in other more efficient vehicles, but nope, 9 times out of 10 is it that status crap that plaques our society. But, I digress...different strokes for different folks...

[why?]

Originally Posted by KrazyDawg

I created the following in an excel spreadsheet. If gas were $3/gal with x number of miles at x MPG.

MPG	Annual	
	15,000	
35	$1,285.71	
36	$1,250.00	
37	$1,216.22	
38	$1,184.21	
39	$1,153.85	
40	$1,125.00	
	20,000	
35	$1,714.29	
36	$1,666.67	
37	$1,621.62	
38	$1,578.95	
39	$1,538.46	
40	$1,500.00	
	25,000	
35	$2,142.86	
36	$2,083.33	
37	$2,027.03	
38	$1,973.68	
39	$1,923.08	
40	$1,875.00	
	30,000	
35	$2,571.43	
36	$2,500.00	
37	$2,432.43	
38	$2,368.42	
39	$2,307.69	
40	$2,250.00

Okay, you win for going the whole way, but could you up it to say 45 mpg, instead of leaving it at just 40?

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

That right there is similar with what HTM and Cali are saying...everyone makes a choice, you have to balance comfort/convenience with your end goal. I can drive this car hard and still get over 32mpg all day long with a stock engine. To me that is priceless. My best friend which I consider the brother I never had drives a 99 pontiac grand am 3800 HO which is stock for him. If he drives that hard he gets 15mpg if he is lucky! Sure they are two different cars completely, but the mentality is the same...he could care less about 15mpg if he enjoys the car and has comfort/convenience which he feels he does. Different strokes for different folks.


As for the comments about sitting at lunch with the A/C going....yup, I did something like that saturday night. I was at the local bar and it was hotter than hade's nipples in there. I sat in my car more than once for 15-20 min to cool down...once again...comfort/convenience. Now where I draw the line is SUVs. Until they can come up with a way to get them to 30mpg or the equivalent without costing the buyer 50-100k as far as I am concerned they are extremely wasteful and need to be crushed at the junk yard. A soccer mom with 2 kiddies can get the same comfort/convenience and safety in other more efficient vehicles, but nope, 9 times out of 10 is it that status crap that plaques our society. But, I digress...different strokes for different folks...

SUV's most definitely have their uses. You might be able to take 2 kids to soccer practice in a Yaris, but could you take them, 2 of their friends, a dozen soccer balls, oh and tow the boat or jetski's on the weekends, or maybe you and your wife take a family friend or two with their spouses to dinner, or maybe help your child move into college 1500 miles away, etc.

[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by why?

SUV's most definitely have their uses. You might be able to take 2 kids to soccer practice in a Yaris, but could you take them, 2 of their friends, a dozen soccer balls, oh and tow the boat or jetski's on the weekends, or maybe you and your wife take a family friend or two with their spouses to dinner, or maybe help your child move into college 1500 miles away, etc.

You can do the same with a van or minivan that gets better mileage and and safer for the environment...that is what I am getting at...these days status says that you should not have a minivan...stupid. As for all the stuff you mentioned, sure you can do all that with an SUV and if you were to do that it would be a great justification, but I cannot count on both hands how many people I know personally that just do the following with their SUV:

1) Drive back and forth in town for work which even during the winter here NEVER would require an SUV...no car pooling
2) Drop kids off at school with only their book bag and perhaps a small duffel for sporting stuff...just their kids...no kid pooling
3) Drive to get groceries
4) Drive to the local small race track

getting the picture? SUVs are like anything else...they have their place and I agree with that however for the knuckleheads that do only things similar to what I listed above...shakes head, that's all I will say. I could list 6 families right now off the top of my head that the parents and the kids say that having an SUV is a must just to keep up with fashionable times and status...very sad really.

[janders]

any savings is good savings and yes it could add up...i was mostly experimenting and i really think the biggest savings on super slab driving comes from your speed and not so much how much higher than normal you keep the air pressure....i really never expected to get 40+ mpg so i,m a happy camper but with all the rough roads in western ny i don,t plan to be running my tires with 40+lbs anymore!

[eddy]

with our 2010 4dr auto a/c on part of the way.we were able to get 50mpg on our last two roadtrips (HWY)and in the city 34-36 mpg. love it

[firemachine69]

Firstly, the above-drawn chart is backwards. It's going to cost you LESS, if you get better mileage - that's just common sense!


And yes, if you are on a single-lane highway, with no way for people to safely pass you, you ARE a problem. Get the fuck off the road, or flow with traffic. That doesn't mean do 10-20mph over - Most everywhere I've driven, 6mph (about 10kph) is the accepted flow of traffic. Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch. Then you'll feel like a HUGE idiot when the three bucks you saved on gas, is now costing you thousands in body repairs and insurance deductibles. Also, if you think telling the cop at the scene of the accident - assuming you live - that he cut you off, unless you've got video proof, your word means sweet fuck-all. It's called a "vested interest", and is absolutely meaningless in court. OR - someone hanging off your ass has now plowed you into a concrete pillar at 70mph. Congratulations! You were in your right to drive at the speed limit - dead right!


Where there is place for someone to pass me, I allow them the opportunity, and flow at the speed limit. Otherwise, I do 10kph over, and the traffic flows nicely (and rarely does anyone hang off my ass).

Originally Posted by BailOut

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

To me, the fuel costs over a year is about $50. Time is also worth something to alot of people, don't discount that. If I were truly concerned about saving cash, I'd skip the once-or-twice-monthly outings to the bars, which usually end up costing me $60-100.


I'll add, I usually do drive fairly easy, but that's mostly got to do with not wanting to break shit prematurely on my Yaris, the car falls apart on its own.

[michaelhay]

Originally Posted by why?

Old thread, but to answer your q, first slow down. No reason to go faster than the speed limit. Also Check around the fuel economy forums, when you lift your foot off the pedal and the car has more than around 1500 rpms, the computer cuts the fuel flow to the engine, which also helps. Also look ahead, coast to stop signs, red lights, etc. Anticipate everything. Pretend there is a grenade below both the gas pedal and brakes. You have to use both as sparingly as possible.

I was able to achieve 44 mpg on my second tank from the dealer, without changing anything from delivery. I drove mostly shorter trips with some highway, lots of hills. It was not flat at all.

Driving for gas mileage just means you need to change your thinking. The fuel economy forum has a bunch of great ideas. And a scanguage can help a ton too.

GREAT. THANKS Why?
Yeah I think I am already doing most of this but I will be even more careful.

[firemachine69]

Best thing you can ever do for your gas mileage, is to take it easy. Don't speed excessively, stomp on the gas pedal, or mash the brake pedal (without reason). Nice and smooth is the way to go (and get traffic flowing well).

[why?]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

You can do the same with a van or minivan that gets better mileage and and safer for the environment...that is what I am getting at...these days status says that you should not have a minivan...stupid. As for all the stuff you mentioned, sure you can do all that with an SUV and if you were to do that it would be a great justification, but I cannot count on both hands how many people I know personally that just do the following with their SUV:

1) Drive back and forth in town for work which even during the winter here NEVER would require an SUV...no car pooling
2) Drop kids off at school with only their book bag and perhaps a small duffel for sporting stuff...just their kids...no kid pooling
3) Drive to get groceries
4) Drive to the local small race track

getting the picture? SUVs are like anything else...they have their place and I agree with that however for the knuckleheads that do only things similar to what I listed above...shakes head, that's all I will say. I could list 6 families right now off the top of my head that the parents and the kids say that having an SUV is a must just to keep up with fashionable times and status...very sad really.

People who do anything at all for status are just complete fools and should be ignored. And minivans are too small imo, conversion vans are awesome.

Originally Posted by firemachine69

Firstly, the above-drawn chart is backwards. It's going to cost you LESS, if you get better mileage - that's just common sense!
And yes, if you are on a single-lane highway, with no way for people to safely pass you, you ARE a problem. Get the fuck off the road, or flow with traffic. That doesn't mean do 10-20mph over - Most everywhere I've driven, 6mph (about 10kph) is the accepted flow of traffic. Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch. Then you'll feel like a HUGE idiot when the three bucks you saved on gas, is now costing you thousands in body repairs and insurance deductibles. Also, if you think telling the cop at the scene of the accident - assuming you live - that he cut you off, unless you've got video proof, your word means sweet fuck-all. It's called a "vested interest", and is absolutely meaningless in court. OR - someone hanging off your ass has now plowed you into a concrete pillar at 70mph. Congratulations! You were in your right to drive at the speed limit - dead right!
Where there is place for someone to pass me, I allow them the opportunity, and flow at the speed limit. Otherwise, I do 10kph over, and the traffic flows nicely (and rarely does anyone hang off my ass).
To me, the fuel costs over a year is about $50. Time is also worth something to alot of people, don't discount that. If I were truly concerned about saving cash, I'd skip the once-or-twice-monthly outings to the bars, which usually end up costing me $60-100.
I'll add, I usually do drive fairly easy, but that's mostly got to do with not wanting to break shit prematurely on my Yaris, the car falls apart on its own.

First, the chart is completely 100% correct in every way possible. If you actually took the time to exam it, instead of ignoring and assuming, you would realize that.

If you are going the posted speed limit, you are never the problem. Sorry, but just because everyone decides they can ignore a law doesn't mean the law is not valid. I don't let people bully me in person, and I certainly wouldn't on the road. Brake checking people is fun, especially morons on motorcycles.

And btw, it is a speed limit, not a speed suggestion, meaning you are able to go slower if you choose, and that is a-ok.

And that bs about a dangerous situation is just that, bs. Sorry but if someone else does something stupid around me it is not my fault. It is theirs, and I hope it gets them killed so they don't go and injure someone else with their stupidity.

If you are a safe driver, then no one will be able to cut you off to the extent where you are forced off the road. That is idiocy at the highest level to think that.

And if someone chooses to tailgate you, slowing down and brake checking cures that really really fast.

And now with most police arresting people for agressive driving, people will think twice about doing something stupid.

So sorry, you couldn't be more wrong in what you said.