2015 Yaris

[DebbyM46227]

Originally Posted by roxy1

ummm, ok???....and of course there are no French people in Canada its not like 1/4 of Canadians are French Canadian and have French as their native tongue. maybe the Canadian government is breeding the poor work ethic out of the French Canadians, EH???

aside from your thoughts being a grossly ignorant ethnic stereotype, I will again point out that the manufacturing process is so highly automated and the quality controls for Toyota so well established from plant to plant that the products coming out of every plant are the same.

So go ahead and report me to the mods since you think I'm being "racist". I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by DebbyM46227

So go ahead and report me to the mods since you think I'm being "racist". I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks.

I wouldn't do that. I prefer to let peoples statements speak for themselves.

[Exiwolfman]

Originally Posted by DebbyM46227

Whatever. My opinion is the French people don't have a good work ethic. Canadians are different, I have nothing against them. I'd take an American-made or Canadian-made Yaris over one coming from France.

wow ur so full of it ...its why the world is going to shit ! Not racist just dont like them...lmao who are u kidding .

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by Exiwolfman

wow ur so full of it ...its why the world is going to shit ! Not racist just dont like them...lmao who are u kidding .

and she misses the point that the Canadian built car she would prefer over the French built car was very likely assembled in part by French Canadians. the very definition of ignorance.

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by roxy1

aside from your thoughts being a grossly ignorant ethnic stereotype, I will again point out that the manufacturing process is so highly automated and the quality controls for Toyota so well established from plant to plant that the products coming out of every plant are the same.

[DebbyM46227]

I would leave this forum altogether, but I love being politically incorrect. And I love getting a rise out of some people. I have never in my life seen so many wussies gathered together in one forum than this one. CTScott and NookandCranny are the exceptions - I love those two guys.

[bentjazz]

DebbyM46227 for President, 2016! You've got my vote.....

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by bentjazz

DebbyM46227 for President, 2016! You've got my vote.....

[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by roxy1

I will again point out that the manufacturing process is so highly automated and the quality controls for Toyota so well established from plant to plant that the products coming out of every plant are the same.

The biggest issue at this point is Quality Control. This is one of the reason why auto manufacturing in many countries is complete shit. My immediate family has been buying autos made in various countries for the close to four decades I have been alive. NONE.....NONE have been as reliable as the ones assembled in Japan. This of course kills me since I pride myself on supporting American made however post 1970 American autos don't have the same level they used to. There are of course some exceptions, but they are truly that...exceptions and not the rule. Don't even get me started on GM manufacturing the last 30 years.


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[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by roxy1

and she misses the point that the Canadian built car she would prefer over the French built car was very likely assembled in part by French Canadians. the very definition of ignorance.

Are you serious?

That is like saying that an American born person who has German family roots that works for Ford in Dearborn MI is actually building the same quality as a BMW M Series in Germany itself just because they are of German descent.






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[roxy1]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

Are you serious?

That is like saying that an American born person who has German family roots that works for Ford in Dearborn MI is actually building the same quality as a BMW M Series in Germany itself just because they are of German descent.






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someone who attribute a certain characteristics to Germans might believe that applies to anyone of German descent.

people of German descent living in Michigan is a bit different than French speaking French Canadians...for whom French is their first language and French is the official language in much of one of the largest cities in North America. They literally live their lives in a French community.

at any rate, the point was she attributed poor work ethic to a particular people...the French, with no basis in fact. pure ignorance. I would guess anyone with such a view would believe French speaking Canadians living in a large French community might also share that poor work ethic.

of course its ridiculous, but someone with such warped thinking may believe that.

If BMW was building cars in Detroit, controlling the manufacturing process and quality control, using the same automation as in Germany, then the cars would be the same ones coming out of Germany. it wouldn't matter of what descent the workers were. for many of their cars in the past two decades, that means they would be equally unreliable.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

The biggest issue at this point is Quality Control. This is one of the reason why auto manufacturing in many countries is complete shit. My immediate family has been buying autos made in various countries for the close to four decades I have been alive. NONE.....NONE have been as reliable as the ones assembled in Japan. This of course kills me since I pride myself on supporting American made however post 1970 American autos don't have the same level they used to. There are of course some exceptions, but they are truly that...exceptions and not the rule. Don't even get me started on GM manufacturing the last 30 years.


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ive been driving Japanese cars for over 3 decades. as the manufacturing has moved more and more out of japan, ive seen no discernable difference in quality. empirical data support Toyota/Hondas being as reliable and long lasting as ever even though very few are made in Japan.

the companies with great manufacturing philosophies and strict quality control over the last 40 years happen to be based in Japan. Economics have dictated over time that they start manufacturing cars elsewhere. it hasn't mattered. for example, the Corolla's North American production was moved to Cambridge, Ontario quite a long time ago and it has continued to rate as one of the most reliable, long lasting cars in the world.

it was never about where they were built, but about the Company philosophy behind building cars....just as it has been for the domestics for many years, but in a bad way. Chevy/Ford/Chrysler could have been building their cars anywhere in the world with the same ideology, quality controls, designs, etc...the vega, cavalier, escort, contour, k car, etc..they still would have been crap, even if they were built strictly in Japan.

Domestic cars have had dramatic improvements in quality over the last 10-15 years, and many are still built here. same location, different philosophy toward building cars.

[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by roxy1

If BMW was building cars in Detroit, controlling the manufacturing process and quality control, using the same automation as in Germany, then the cars would be the same ones coming out of Germany. it wouldn't matter of what descent the workers were. for many of their cars in the past two decades, that means they would be equally unreliable.

Automation does increase reliability to a point, but all of the defects that GM currently has is a glaring point that automation is not a cure all. With the mindset that automation is the pinnacle not requiring proper QC/QA would then mean that a Kia Rio is equally built as a Mercedes SLK as a Cadillac CTS as a Chevy Sonic when it comes to solid build and reliable build quailty.

Just as a point of reference I am not knocking French build quality. I am just making the point that regardless of the machine it is still designed by and run by humans and therefore can fail to produce 100% perfection or close to it without having human intervention to ensure high reliability and longevity.

Continuing to rely on automation is actually more like a crutch. To a point it is showing a serious flaw being reflected in today's society in general that all of this automation and tools will free us up to do better things when in fact they enable us to be more lazy and less attentive to what is really important or what we should be focusing on at the time we are doing it.




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[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by roxy1

ive been driving Japanese cars for over 3 decades. as the manufacturing has moved more and more out of japan, ive seen no discernable difference in quality. empirical data support Toyota/Hondas being as reliable and long lasting as ever even though very few are made in Japan.

the companies with great manufacturing philosophies and strict quality control over the last 40 years happen to be based in Japan. Economics have dictated over time that they start manufacturing cars elsewhere. it hasn't mattered. for example, the Corolla's North American production was moved to Cambridge, Ontario quite a long time ago and it has continued to rate as one of the most reliable, long lasting cars in the world.

it was never about where they were built, but about the Company philosophy behind building cars....just as it has been for the domestics for many years, but in a bad way. Chevy/Ford/Chrysler could have been building their cars anywhere in the world with the same ideology, quality controls, designs, etc...the vega, cavalier, escort, contour, k car, etc..they still would have been crap, even if they were built strictly in Japan.

Domestic cars have had dramatic improvements in quality over the last 10-15 years, and many are still built here. same location, different philosophy toward building cars.

The bulk of the recalls for Toyota over the last 5 years from what I have seen have been with their line up of cars manufactured for the most part in other countries.

The last thing I will say on the subject is that the top reason why I bought my Yaris sedan back when the first launched for the 07 model year over a Corolla was specifically because it was built in Japan and not North America. I went with my gut and have had no regrets. Previous Corolla we owned were always built in Japan and lasted 300k miles with oil changes and spark plugs.

I personally have known several folks with Corolla built from 2000 on that had engine failures, transmission failures, braking system failures, etc just like other manufacturers. Seems to me to be a common denominator; a speculation could be that attitude of automation is the golden egg.

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[tooter]

Originally Posted by yarisugi

Love it or hate it, I still see its Asian influence despite it coming from France.

Yeah, it looks like an angry Kabuki.

[jambo101]

If they dont bring back the sedan then something like this Corolla wagon would get my attention if it were available.
http://autospeedcars.com/wp-content/...Front-Side.jpg

[why?]

Originally Posted by roxy1

ummm, ok???....and of course there are no French people in Canada its not like 1/4 of Canadians are French Canadian and have French as their native tongue. maybe the Canadian government is breeding the poor work ethic out of the French Canadians, EH???

aside from your thoughts being a grossly ignorant ethnic stereotype, I will again point out that the manufacturing process is so highly automated and the quality controls for Toyota so well established from plant to plant that the products coming out of every plant are the same.

I wonder if the people who died because of the gas pedal malfunction would believe that. I highly doubt it. No matter what idiocy you choose to push, suppliers will be different for different plants on the opposite side of the planet. It would kill any incentives to even have the plant on the other side of the planet if this was not true.

This is why to this day VW fans prefer German made cars to those made anywhere else, because they are just more reliable.

Also why American made v6 accords are a nightmare.

Yes, the final plant is automated, but the final plant just assembles the car, it does not build every single little piece that goes into the car. That comes from all over who knows where, and absolutely will be different.

Oh and yay, you called someone a racist. You know what that means? It means you are clueless and have no original ideas. The word racist is a total meaningless joke nowadays, used by people who cannot think for themselves. Congrats on that one.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by why?

I wonder if the people who died because of the gas pedal malfunction would believe that. I highly doubt it. No matter what idiocy you choose to push, suppliers will be different for different plants on the opposite side of the planet. It would kill any incentives to even have the plant on the other side of the planet if this was not true.

This is why to this day VW fans prefer German made cars to those made anywhere else, because they are just more reliable.

Also why American made v6 accords are a nightmare.

Yes, the final plant is automated, but the final plant just assembles the car, it does not build every single little piece that goes into the car. That comes from all over who knows where, and absolutely will be different.

Oh and yay, you called someone a racist. You know what that means? It means you are clueless and have no original ideas. The word racist is a total meaningless joke nowadays, used by people who cannot think for themselves. Congrats on that one.

im a bit stunned that anyone feels this way. it seems to imply you think racism is not a big issue here or in the rest of the world. (or you think it is but that indicting an entire nationality as having poor work ethic is ok) yes, certain people like to play the race card and they usually get called out on it. most educated people can use it only when it truly applies. for example, "David Duke is a racist."

now, on to the facts:

1. i challenge you to show me where I called someone a racist. it didn't happen. I called someone out for stereotyping an entire group as having poor work ethic....ie "the French people don't have a good work ethic." you should do some reading so you know what being a racist actually means. she is the one that used that word....not surprising as she had already spewed out some other ignorance.

2. you said it yourself. parts are sourced form all over the world. cars built in Germany or Japan aren't sourcing parts exclusively from those countries, just that region of the world.

3. it is a fact that Toyotas made in Canada, America, and elsewhere have show no drop off in quality, empirically speaking, or long term dependability versus the cars coming directly from japan. VW plants in Germany have created unreliable cars for years. it is where VW earned that reputation. the Mexican VW plants had some growing pains only as it relates to actual automated assembly issues. VW has actually faired better on dependability studies in the last decade as more production has left Germany. some VW lovers just like to feel warm and fuzzy about their cars being made in Germany. Spend enough time of the VW forums and you will see most reasonable people have come to the realization that almost all issues are design issues, not worker or plant location issues.

the built in Japan yaris was recalled due to a problem causing airbags to fail deploying. that could have easily lead to deaths. nevertheless, a design flaw, not a flaw in where a part came from or who supervised the robots.


a long, long time ago human workers were much more heavily involved in production and Japanese workers had lifetime employment with Japanese automakers. those days are long gone. production for all automakers has become heavily automated. quality control has improved dramatically for all automakers making cars all over the world. even with the massive influx of technology in cars, the number of problems per vehicle have been decreasing for two decades, and that is industry wide.