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11-14-2009, 06:47 PM | #55 |
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My VWs were mid-90s series, and comparing them with current Toyotas would be idiotic.
Current VWs have the same customer satisfaction rate as Toyotas, proven fact. Last edited by PK198105; 11-15-2009 at 02:29 AM. Reason: no need for name calling |
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First, statistical analysis is very very very very very far from proven fact. Second, customer satisfaction rate is different from reliability. Third, VWs are complete and utter garbage, no matter how many made up statistics you bring in here. Last edited by PK198105; 11-15-2009 at 02:30 AM. Reason: quote edit |
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Fourth, this thread has zero importance to anything relevant. Argue away!
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Not according to JD Power and Associates. Not according to Edmunds.com Not according to most every professional mechanic. Not according to most owners of VW cars. Last edited by PK198105; 11-15-2009 at 02:32 AM. Reason: no need for name calling |
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Europeans don't maintain their cars as well as Americans do, nor are they as picky as Americans about quality, nor do they have the choices Americans have nor do they have the buying power we have. Americans are the absolute most picky fickle and descerning consumers in the world. Only an idiot would by a VW because they are over priced, suck gas big time, unreliable, undependable, and the cost of ownership is huge compared to most Japanese cars. However to be fair, VW's drive fantastically.....when they're not in the shop. Last edited by PK198105; 11-15-2009 at 11:12 AM. Reason: no need for flames |
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Hopefully the personal attacks will stop so this thread doesn't get closed.
It's an interesting debate. There is a reason that VW's market share is less than 2% in the US. Some here seem to argue in favor of VW's supposed quality. But it is undeniable that they are nearly the worse cars in terms of quality. I work at a car dealer where I see first hand how all car brands hold up. I cannot believe the condition (not from abuse) that VW's come in. The interior hardware in particular is a joke. Really sad. VW's have great driving dynamics. That's it. And that is what Europeans favor most hence their success. If Europeans cared so much about maintenance, why are their oil change intervals like 15,000 miles (for example)? While Americans are meticulous about 3-5K oil changes? Hopefully, VW is straightening things out as of the last 2 years and maybe they are. Before that though, stay clear. |
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Yes, I work for Toyota at TPCE (Toyota Parts Center Europe) as buyer / logistics coordinator.
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At the end of the day, what does it matter who is ranked where? If the manufacturer you choose goes to #1 does that mean the car you bought will now run faster, turn better, look better, be more fuel efficient and/or get you chicks? I doubt it. Who's first to trade their car in because Toyota got ranked #2 by someone? Who's going to buy a VW because they got ranked #1 by someone? |
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Maybe you should read more and comment less...in my earlier post I stated I was born in Germany and have lived there as well as the UK and Belgium several times during my life. And when I am not living there, I travel there several times a year for work. I was just in Germany in September and can tell you that the comment that Europeans take less better care of their cars than Americans is just incorrect! I also travel the US quite extensively, and I see more pieces of junk on the roads here than I ever do in Europe. Europeans keep their cars in considerably better shape than Americans, and are less apt to hang on to them as long. As such, you see much newer cars on the road, the majority of which are five years old or less. That ratio is much lower in the US. Secondly, despite the rhetoric, recent reporting (which I linked to) proves that VW's customer satisfaction rates are now equal to that of Toyota's. So, unless someone can post links to documented facts that support their comments, they are nothing but individual opinions. Learn to debate the facts, and not emotion. |
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I usually look the other way these days when I disagree with someone, especially when I believe their opinion comes from deeply seated political beliefs, but that is possibly the most inaccurate comment I've read on this board in a while. I only wish I had some of the choices Europeans have. And to say that they're not picky consumers is just complete and makes me wonder what exactly you saw in Eruope if you actually set foot there in the first place Last edited by tomato; 11-15-2009 at 02:46 PM. Reason: clarity |
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I maintain my vehicles because I understand how motors and bearings and the like work. So I personally do all the scheduled maintenance work myself, and leave the warranty work for the dealer. Does this make me European?
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