First thoughts: Carbotech XP8 pads and slotted rotors - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

largeorangefont · 12-17-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by at3GG

their racing stuff was like $13 something a quart. How much would i need for a full flush?

A quart is fine for a full flush.

at3GG · 12-17-2008, 06:25 PM

ohhh ok thanks

will it really help that much?

largeorangefont · 12-17-2008, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by at3GG

ohhh ok thanks

will it really help that much?

Yes. Brake fluid attracts moisture and the fluid gets dirty. This takes away pedal feel and consistency over time.

CASTREX · 12-17-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by at3GG

ohhh ok thanks

will it really help that much?

You need to understand what is the function of "racing" brake liquid.

Racing brake liquid has a higher boiling resistance. In other words a higher boiling point.

When the brake fluid gets to hot, you will feel that your brakes are fading. If it get to the point were it boils you can press the brakes all the way down and nothing will happen!

A racing fluid will retard that effect.

But same as racing brake pads. It won't make you stop faster!

at3GG · 12-17-2008, 06:39 PM

haha i wasnt saying i necessarily wanted the racing flui, i was just saying what they had. But if all I need is one quart, the difference betwen the racing and normal stuff is like ..4 buck or soemthing. Might as well get the top notch. How often is a good interval to change it anyway?

cali yaris · 12-17-2008, 06:42 PM

oops, sorry. I'll be darned, they aren't on there. CarboTech pads will be posted tonight!

But there is also vendor thread you can check right now

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10029

at3GG · 12-17-2008, 06:45 PM

haha gotcha cali! i didnt think they were on there lol The prices on the thread..those for a set of pads AND shoes or just pads?

CASTREX · 12-17-2008, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by at3GG

haha i wasnt saying i necessarily wanted the racing flui, i was just saying what they had. But if all I need is one quart, the difference betwen the racing and normal stuff is like ..4 buck or soemthing. Might as well get the top notch. How often is a good interval to change it anyway?

I change it once a year.

But is really humid down here... plus I drive my car quite hard...

Don't know what's the recommended interval under normal a driving situation.

at3GG · 12-17-2008, 06:49 PM

ok good to know thanks a lot castrex!

*tk-421* · 12-17-2008, 07:45 PM

Nice writeup! I can't wait to get my updated front pads/rear shoes installed.
Judging from what I've read on this thread, it looks like I should go for some SS brake lines and upgrade the brake fluid if I want the full effect.

Does anyone know which SS lines fit the USDM Yaris on the front/rear?

Malaya1221 · 12-17-2008, 08:44 PM

C-One SS Brake Lines
&
StopTech SS Brake Lines

i've seen stoptech on ebay!

*tk-421* · 12-17-2008, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

C-One SS Brake Lines
&
StopTech SS Brake Lines

i've seen stoptech on ebay!

Thanks for the links. I've heard that JDM SS brake lines don't fit the USDM Yaris for some reason, however. Plus, what is up with the price?!

As for the StopTech ones, they don't list the Yaris on their site. Are you sure those lines will work on our cars?

jdmekcivic · 12-17-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tk-421

Thanks for the links. I've heard that JDM SS brake lines don't fit the USDM Yaris for some reason, however. Plus, what is up with the price?!

As for the StopTech ones, they don't list the Yaris on their site. Are you sure those lines will work on our cars?

I have Goodridge front and rear lines and they fit fine. No issues at all.

I am also running the Carbotech XP8 pads and shoes. They are great! I have had them on for the last 5 months or so and so far no fade at all. I haven't been to the track to test them to their limits but from what they said I should be very happy with the result.

Thanks Jkuchta for the review!

Malaya1221 · 12-17-2008, 08:56 PM

c-one price is ridiculous!

here are stoptech and goodridge for the yaris!

Brake Lines

jkuchta · 12-17-2008, 11:50 PM

Update:

These pads rocked pretty hard at both the Autoclub Roval and the Streets of Willow. I experianced NO brake fade, and pedel feel was quite nice. Modulation was a snap, with really nice bite both cold and hot, though hot bite was phenominal!

One word of caution, though:

With the stock suspension and 500 treadwear tires (Yokohama Avid V4s), and running the XP8 compound up front and the 917 shoes in back, brake bias shifted to the rear to such an extent that moderate to hard braking while going anywhere but straight on the track resulted in a really light rear end (nearly got in trouble once going into the fast esses after the back straight at the Streets (clockwise). While the slight oversteer was very controllable, I still took notice (i.e. pucker factor). I have a feeling that a lot of this can be attributed to the overheated tires and pretty crazy forward weight transfer due to the soft OEM suspension. I'll soon be on coilovers and appropriate tires, so that should bring the braking behavior back more in line. Note though that trail-braking is still quite possible with the current setup, and I found it quite possible to "turn" the rear in very controlably in tighter turns (at the Streets). I'd caution against any trail-braking "exploring" on on/off ramps!

Thanks to all for the positive comments, and I'll keep everyone posted as to improvements and/or changes over the life of these pads.

justjesus · 12-18-2008, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

C-One SS Brake Lines
&
StopTech SS Brake Lines

i've seen stoptech on ebay!

Holy smokes those C-Ones are expensive! 400+ ?!?!? What did I have for lunch? I'm feeling faint.

auxmike · 12-18-2008, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikenacarato

no, brake shoes go with drum brakes, brake pads go with disc brakes. there is no rotor with a drum assembly.

Not true.
Volvo's 240 series used the inside of the rear rotor as a emergency brake drum. There were "mini" brake shoes within.
I know because I had to replace the mini brake shoes when one lost the braking media off the steel shoe. It was a really weird setup, I'll say!

ddongbap · 12-19-2008, 01:25 AM

Remember, your brakes will only be as good as your tires. As far as single runs. If you're already locking tires, or hitting ABS, then you need better tires.

But yes, the only real benefit beyond tires, is heat function.

12-17-2008, 06:25 PM	#20
at3GG Drives: 07 metmet LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: VA Beach Posts: 648	ohhh ok thanks will it really help that much? __________________ F5 CAI, MR axleback, MR Header, NST SSK. Full Exhaust wrap, AT3 Custom SSK Konig Heliums 15x6.5 Black Tanabe Df210's

12-17-2008, 06:39 PM	#23
at3GG Drives: 07 metmet LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: VA Beach Posts: 648	haha i wasnt saying i necessarily wanted the racing flui, i was just saying what they had. But if all I need is one quart, the difference betwen the racing and normal stuff is like ..4 buck or soemthing. Might as well get the top notch. How often is a good interval to change it anyway? __________________ F5 CAI, MR axleback, MR Header, NST SSK. Full Exhaust wrap, AT3 Custom SSK Konig Heliums 15x6.5 Black Tanabe Df210's

12-17-2008, 06:42 PM	#24
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	oops, sorry. I'll be darned, they aren't on there. CarboTech pads will be posted tonight! But there is also vendor thread you can check right now http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10029 __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

12-17-2008, 06:45 PM	#25
at3GG Drives: 07 metmet LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: VA Beach Posts: 648	haha gotcha cali! i didnt think they were on there lol The prices on the thread..those for a set of pads AND shoes or just pads? __________________ F5 CAI, MR axleback, MR Header, NST SSK. Full Exhaust wrap, AT3 Custom SSK Konig Heliums 15x6.5 Black Tanabe Df210's

12-17-2008, 06:49 PM	#27
at3GG Drives: 07 metmet LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: VA Beach Posts: 648	ok good to know thanks a lot castrex! __________________ F5 CAI, MR axleback, MR Header, NST SSK. Full Exhaust wrap, AT3 Custom SSK Konig Heliums 15x6.5 Black Tanabe Df210's

12-17-2008, 07:45 PM	#28
tk-421 Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 5D-07-LB Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dagobah Posts: 4,263	Nice writeup! I can't wait to get my updated front pads/rear shoes installed. Judging from what I've read on this thread, it looks like I should go for some SS brake lines and upgrade the brake fluid if I want the full effect. Does anyone know which SS lines fit the USDM Yaris on the front/rear? __________________ --[ FORUM RULES ]--[ SEARCHING TIPS ]--[ EYELIDS PICS ]--[ RBK SPOILER ]--[ BEST/WORST INVESTMENTS ]--

12-17-2008, 08:44 PM	#29
Malaya1221 super duper M*******TOR Drives: 2007 jahPANIS egg(Sarao Phil) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Torrance, Ca Posts: 1,011	C-One SS Brake Lines & StopTech SS Brake Lines i've seen stoptech on ebay!

12-17-2008, 08:56 PM	#32
Malaya1221 super duper M*******TOR Drives: 2007 jahPANIS egg(Sarao Phil) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Torrance, Ca Posts: 1,011	c-one price is ridiculous! here are stoptech and goodridge for the yaris! Brake Lines

12-17-2008, 11:50 PM	#33
jkuchta View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris hatch (red) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 557	Update: These pads rocked pretty hard at both the Autoclub Roval and the Streets of Willow. I experianced NO brake fade, and pedel feel was quite nice. Modulation was a snap, with really nice bite both cold and hot, though hot bite was phenominal! One word of caution, though: With the stock suspension and 500 treadwear tires (Yokohama Avid V4s), and running the XP8 compound up front and the 917 shoes in back, brake bias shifted to the rear to such an extent that moderate to hard braking while going anywhere but straight on the track resulted in a really light rear end (nearly got in trouble once going into the fast esses after the back straight at the Streets (clockwise). While the slight oversteer was very controllable, I still took notice (i.e. pucker factor). I have a feeling that a lot of this can be attributed to the overheated tires and pretty crazy forward weight transfer due to the soft OEM suspension. I'll soon be on coilovers and appropriate tires, so that should bring the braking behavior back more in line. Note though that trail-braking is still quite possible with the current setup, and I found it quite possible to "turn" the rear in very controlably in tighter turns (at the Streets). I'd caution against any trail-braking "exploring" on on/off ramps! Thanks to all for the positive comments, and I'll keep everyone posted as to improvements and/or changes over the life of these pads. Last edited by jkuchta; 12-18-2008 at 03:52 AM.

12-19-2008, 01:25 AM	#36
ddongbap Banned Drives: yw calls me douche and racist. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hay Posts: 2,183	Remember, your brakes will only be as good as your tires. As far as single runs. If you're already locking tires, or hitting ABS, then you need better tires. But yes, the only real benefit beyond tires, is heat function.