Official Richard Holdener who wants to buy an intake manifold list

[justjesus]

Originally Posted by tk-421

That would be great!
Do you still have graphs available for the mid-range mani by any chance?

Im guessing he does :) as he said, "I will post power <graphs> tonight"
YAYY

[Yoda]

how long would it take to produce the mid range? it sounds real good

[WolfWings]

I'll pony up $800 for the mid-range version if my memory of the graphs is accurate. It may well be that eTiMaGo is entirely accurate and that the mid-range-optimized intake is a waste of resources. I've layed out my hopes, Richard seems to understand and be willing to offer up the mid-range as a response, so I believe my memory was at least mostly accurate based on Richard's response. But I'm more than happy to put my money where my mouth is. =^.^=

[Klink10]

Thank you Richard for the decision...I feel better about this knowing that my race days are long over and just wanted the added punch for the low to mid range. Either way anything is better but a choice is very nice.

[Yoda]

yea i can get alot more use out of the mid range. I drive city and i shift well before 6krpm like 4 tru 4.5k. I hardly ever get it runnig all the way up not racing anyone and i am really still not getting anywhere fast. Would rather feel it without my car screaming down the streets attracting cops. Will pony up for mid.Wanna start the second list? lol

[PETERPOOP]

He's busy at SEMA. He'll probably respond a little later.

[WolfWings]

Started the mid-range list. Click here and go add yourself to it if you'd rather have the mid-range. I'll note if you already signed up for the top-end intake as well on my mid-range list.

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by justjesus

Im guessing he does :) as he said, "I will post power <graphs> tonight"
YAYY

oops! guess i missed that part

[PHXDEMON]

Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

Well, if I may share my 2 cents, I've had a lot of time to think about this conundrum...

As much as we want, we cannot expect any sensible improvement of low to mid-range torque with just bolt-on NA mods. You must realize that a 1.5L engine can only do so much. Sure, you could get higher compression pistons, a stroker kit and maybe some new cams, but AFAIK those also really come into their own at high RPMs.

The reason is, sadly, there is no replacement for displacement. You cannot expect the torque of a bigger engine, it's just not gonna happen. You won't see Pee-Wee Herman bench pressing 300lb, you won't see a 1NZ with V8 torque...

So, one must realize this intake manifold is not some magical end-all solution to more power. If the best results are a pretty sizeable increase of torque from 2500RPM onward, then I think it is correct for the manufacturer to maximize on this.

This means that yes, on the street, if you drive in a calm and "normal" manner, you'd never really see an advantage. This intake manifold will really come into its own where it is designed to, at high RPMs, so it will be of most use to those who really race their cars, be it on a track or autocross.
It was said in a previous post, or one that was lost with the hack, but this manifold could be compared to a "bolt-on VTEC", as it gives the engine the ability to keep revving far better than stock. And, as with VTEC, the love-hate relationship is that you have to keep the engine at high RPMs to get good power output from it.

If you really want more low-end torque, the most effective solution is more displacement. This is where forced induction comes in, as it can be considered "virtual displacement" (think about this... normal atmospheric pressure is what, 14psi? a turbo running at 7psi is thus forcing in 50% more of atmospheric pressure, thus giving your engine characteristics of one that is 50% larger, or 2.2L. Of course, this is a very rough generalization, kinda like giving steroids to Pee-Wee!). This is why superchargers excel in this area, they start shoving in more air as soon as the engine is moving, same thing with small, responsive turbos that may not create massive boost, but can start to supply it quite early.

There you have it... If you seriously want more low end torque, go for a small turbo or supercharger. Of course, it's $3000 vs $700, I think that's also an important reason why many are wishing for a "low RPM" version of the intake.

I'm in no way an engine expert, so feel free to pick apart what I've just written

I agree 100%

[CASTREX]

Teaser Pic.

This is the LS1/LS2 GM Manifold that Richard just finished for SEMA

Of course it doesn't look anything like ours but it shows the quality we can expect for the Yaris unit.

[ChinoCharles]

Holy sheep shit.

[PETERPOOP]

Man I CAN'T wait. 25 more days until completion.

[kou]

[ChinoCharles]

I have literally forgone food and drink saving for this manifold. I cannot wait man.

[PETERPOOP]

yah seriously. i put all my airsoft guns up for sale. they aren't offerring me enough for them though. Hmm. Plan B


*However the company i works for gets a bonus safety check at the end of the year at the christmas company party. That is how I will be paying for this!

[pinoypizzaboy]

I already sold $700 worth of pizzas.. Can't wait. That gm manifold those are itbs right??

[CASTREX]

Yeap those are ITB's.

Some day boy, some day! we will have something like that.

[pinoypizzaboy]

whatever Richard makes for us itbs or turbo I will buy.