Keeping up with a Mini - Toyota Yaris Forums

jambo101 · 12-02-2008, 06:10 AM

My local buddies drive Mini's and MX-5's and i fit right in on our Sunday cruises when i used to own a Miata but had to sell the Miata due to utility problems,i need something i can drive in the winter and something with larger interior and something with a roof.Looking at Mini's but for the price of a 3-4yr old Mini i could get a brand new Yaris HB,having driven Echo and Yaris Sedans as the family commuters i realize they would never keep up with the Mini or MX-5 in the twisties so i was wondering what i could do to a Yaris HB as far as suspension mods to bring it into the gokart like handling of Mini's and MX-5's and also get the power up in the 140hp range,plus how much would this transformation cost?. Thanks

ddongbap · 12-02-2008, 06:13 AM

3.5-4.5 grand. Approx.

*kimona* · 12-02-2008, 08:39 AM

For Sunday cruising, you don't need more power than you alreadty have to keep up with Minis and Miatas. But, suspension mods, and wheels/tyres will really help... and it won't cost a fortune.

Tamago · 12-02-2008, 08:42 AM

best and cheapest mod is weight reduction.. the removal of stuff, not the purchase of "carbon fiber" parts :D

eTiMaGo · 12-02-2008, 08:58 AM

I suggest you read my performance primer:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9451

It outlines more or less what you are asking, and then some

TinyGiant · 12-02-2008, 10:48 AM

good read!

thebarber · 12-02-2008, 10:58 AM

coilovers and sticky tires are all you really need to keep up w/ a naturally aspirated mini....theyre relatively heavy, arent they? im thinking in the area of 2600lbs? i think most yaris fall in around 2300lbs.

as for getting up to 140hp, im assuming you mean up from the 106hp crank rated from the factory...? in which case id say an intake, header, and exhaust from the resonator back (2" - - would be easier/cheaper for you in qc to get it done custom vs buying and shipping parts). thatll likely you put you up near 105hp at the wheels, which is close to 120hp at the crank...imo, plenty peppy

now, if i were to do this, id likely buy an ebay intake for 50$, and buy a k&n filter for it ($50). id get a DC Sports header (+/- $250) as i see it making the most gains (vs megan, ebay, or otherwise), and a custom exhaust would be about 200-300 in parts (2" mandrel bent stainless steel piping and a muffler).

if youre more serious about handling and dont mind stiff springs, id lean towards megan coilovers as theyre pretty cheap and pretty stuff. i wouldnt get much in the way of tie bars, strut bars or anti-roll bars if you run stiffer coilovers, as it just wont be cost effective.

as for rims/tires, id get some lightweight 15's and some 205-50-15 (or 205-55-15) rubber. maybe falken fk452's...? generally something cheaper but still a performance summer tire (since, by law, youll have a set of winters). imo, wheelfire.com has some of the best deals on wheel/tire sets.

since youre in montreal, id get a lot of the stuff shipped to a UPS store or something just across the border and bring them in yourself. that way the shipping will be cheaper AND you wont get killed on brokerage. ship it all around the same time so you can bring it back in a lump....therefore 1 trip for gas/time/duty, etc

actually thats bascially my plan for my car....but once i move back to south-west ontario, ill ship stuff to my in-laws in michigan....i did that w/ my matrix parts before i moved out east....

CASTREX · 12-02-2008, 10:59 AM

You can get a decent set of coilovers for around $1,000

Some cheap lightweight 15" wheels $500- $800

Some sticky rubber $400-$500

TRD rear sway bar $150

Camber Bolts $ 30

Some weight reduction. $0

Total: $2000-$2400

That should be enough to outrun a STOCK mini or Miata on the twisties.

Power wise

For 140 HP you are looking at force induction only. $3800 for blitz SC or go the custom route with a turbo set up which will be more than the blitz....

thebarber · 12-02-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CASTREX

You can get a decent set of coilovers for around $1,000

Some cheap lightweight 15" wheels $500- $800

Some sticky rubber $400-$500

TRD rear sway bar $150

Camber Bolts $ 30

Some weight reduction. $0

Total: $2000-$2400

That should be enough to outrun a STOCK mini or Miata on the twisties.

Power wise

For 140 HP you are looking at force induction only. $3800 for blitz SC or go the custom route with a turbo set up which will be more than the blitz....

the 140hp matters a lot if he's talking about crank or wheel hp. the 123whp that richard holdener is putting now, all motor, is just over 140bhp...

12-02-2008, 06:10 AM	#1
jambo101 Drives: yaris 08 sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 1,286	Keeping up with a Mini My local buddies drive Mini's and MX-5's and i fit right in on our Sunday cruises when i used to own a Miata but had to sell the Miata due to utility problems,i need something i can drive in the winter and something with larger interior and something with a roof.Looking at Mini's but for the price of a 3-4yr old Mini i could get a brand new Yaris HB,having driven Echo and Yaris Sedans as the family commuters i realize they would never keep up with the Mini or MX-5 in the twisties so i was wondering what i could do to a Yaris HB as far as suspension mods to bring it into the gokart like handling of Mini's and MX-5's and also get the power up in the 140hp range,plus how much would this transformation cost?. Thanks

12-02-2008, 08:58 AM	#5
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	I suggest you read my performance primer: http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9451 It outlines more or less what you are asking, and then some __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

12-02-2008, 10:48 AM	#6
TinyGiant Tiny Giant Clothing View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue Yaris 3D LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 3,394	good read! __________________ Sold the yaris... rocking an 89 vw cabriolet now :)

12-02-2008, 10:58 AM	#7
thebarber daily driver View User's Garage Drives: the #wrecho Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,877	coilovers and sticky tires are all you really need to keep up w/ a naturally aspirated mini....theyre relatively heavy, arent they? im thinking in the area of 2600lbs? i think most yaris fall in around 2300lbs. as for getting up to 140hp, im assuming you mean up from the 106hp crank rated from the factory...? in which case id say an intake, header, and exhaust from the resonator back (2" - - would be easier/cheaper for you in qc to get it done custom vs buying and shipping parts). thatll likely you put you up near 105hp at the wheels, which is close to 120hp at the crank...imo, plenty peppy now, if i were to do this, id likely buy an ebay intake for 50$, and buy a k&n filter for it ($50). id get a DC Sports header (+/- $250) as i see it making the most gains (vs megan, ebay, or otherwise), and a custom exhaust would be about 200-300 in parts (2" mandrel bent stainless steel piping and a muffler). if youre more serious about handling and dont mind stiff springs, id lean towards megan coilovers as theyre pretty cheap and pretty stuff. i wouldnt get much in the way of tie bars, strut bars or anti-roll bars if you run stiffer coilovers, as it just wont be cost effective. as for rims/tires, id get some lightweight 15's and some 205-50-15 (or 205-55-15) rubber. maybe falken fk452's...? generally something cheaper but still a performance summer tire (since, by law, youll have a set of winters). imo, wheelfire.com has some of the best deals on wheel/tire sets. since youre in montreal, id get a lot of the stuff shipped to a UPS store or something just across the border and bring them in yourself. that way the shipping will be cheaper AND you wont get killed on brokerage. ship it all around the same time so you can bring it back in a lump....therefore 1 trip for gas/time/duty, etc actually thats bascially my plan for my car....but once i move back to south-west ontario, ill ship stuff to my in-laws in michigan....i did that w/ my matrix parts before i moved out east.... __________________

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12-02-2008, 06:13 AM	#2
ddongbap Banned Drives: yw calls me douche and racist. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hay Posts: 2,183	3.5-4.5 grand. Approx.

12-02-2008, 08:39 AM	#3
kimona Super Moderator Drives: 2014 White VITZ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huntington Bch, CA Posts: 4,938	For Sunday cruising, you don't need more power than you alreadty have to keep up with Minis and Miatas. But, suspension mods, and wheels/tyres will really help... and it won't cost a fortune.

12-02-2008, 08:42 AM	#4
Tamago Start another Oil Thread! View User's Garage Drives: ZZW30 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South FL Posts: 4,890	best and cheapest mod is weight reduction.. the removal of stuff, not the purchase of "carbon fiber" parts :D

12-02-2008, 10:59 AM	#8
CASTREX Who said Yaris was slow? View User's Garage Drives: Yaris T-Sport 2008 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 1,287	You can get a decent set of coilovers for around $1,000 Some cheap lightweight 15" wheels $500- $800 Some sticky rubber $400-$500 TRD rear sway bar $150 Camber Bolts $ 30 Some weight reduction. $0 Total: $2000-$2400 That should be enough to outrun a STOCK mini or Miata on the twisties. Power wise For 140 HP you are looking at force induction only. $3800 for blitz SC or go the custom route with a turbo set up which will be more than the blitz....