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blkyaris · 05-18-2007, 01:09 AM

got a yaris and want to do alot of suspension upgrades to improve tightness around corners. i already have the tein basics on order....so my question is are there any other performance bars? or anything out to stiffen the chasis?

example... front/rear strut bars.....front/rear sway.....tension rod bar.....lower arm bar.....

*tk-421* · 05-18-2007, 01:13 AM

Do yourself a favor and use the search function. There's TONS of info on this topic @ YarisWorld.

Peace

07typeS · 05-18-2007, 01:44 PM

your best bet is going to be shocks and currently TRD is the only ones out there, ive contacted kyb for some gr2's with no luck.....

next id try a front strut bar, it tightened up my steering.....

next try a rear sway bar, some say it does nothing because of the solid rear axle.....but i personally dont know.....

there are some tie bars available for rear, middle and front....you may want to check those out as well.....

go for some 225/50/16's and I think you woulod be good to go.....

do a search and you will find everything i mentioned........

Doc Zaius · 05-18-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 07typeS

your best bet is going to be shocks and currently TRD is the only ones out there, ive contacted kyb for some gr2's with no luck.....

He's already getting coilovers.

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Originally Posted by 07typeS

go for some 225/50/16's and I think you woulod be good to go.....

Those would be sooooo huge!! That'd throw your speedo off by more than 8% compared the to base Yaris' tires!

But ya, search around. TRD sway bar is good.

07typeS · 05-18-2007, 05:12 PM

fine........215/50's lol.............

and oops on the coilovers........i didnt know the tein basics were coilovers, thought they were just springs.....

HTM Yaris · 05-18-2007, 06:29 PM

Coilovers are all you will need . The Yaris LB comes with a front upper strut tower brace ,STOCK (sure its thin and ugly , but highly effective). Unless you get a warm fuzzy feeling by having a TRD rear sway , you won't need it either . Unless you are a porn star , stiffer isn't always better . As far a tires go get 205 with 16's or get 195 with 15's . you will be happy . Personally I use Michelin Pilot Exalto II 195/55/15 for street and rain duty . Hoosiers205/45/16 for dry conditions . I use the stock Goodyears for rain/snow/hunting season .

Check this out . This me with my Michelins with TRD/TEINS . Notice I am right on that guy . He wasn't lolligaggin' either . Also notice the 2 350 Z's waaaay in the background . The Z's and I started at the same time . This pic was taken about halfway through the course . All you need for the Yaris is as follows . 1. Coilovers 2. Good tires .3 Seat Time

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/Orde...122&po=1122&c=

Vanderkitten · 05-18-2007, 06:43 PM

[QUOTE=HTM Yaris;87374]. The Yaris LB comes with a front upper strut tower brace ,STOCK (sure its thin and ugly , but highly effective). [QUOTE]

Are you sure about that? I didn't see anything of the like when I installed my CAI today and pointed to the strut tower to the guys at Weapon R and said "Do you think you can get an upper strut tie bar in there?" and they looked and said "it's very tight, I don't know how you would be able to attach it?"

Let me know. The Tein project Yaris in Siphon does NOT run one.

ALSO: Be careful when MFG's claim their base coil-overs are ride height adjustable... because many are NOT! Many use PRE-LOAD as their means of adjusting ride height. So, the stiffer the spring, the lower the car... but this is RIDE HEIGHT as a FUNCTION of PRE-LOAD, not a TRUE ride height adjustment.

The MEGAN RACING coilovers are the only one's I've see besides the expensive TEINS that offer an independent ride height adjustment. So, just read throughly!

brickhardmeat · 05-18-2007, 07:02 PM

There aint no upper strut bar in mine, there is a front sway bar yes but there is no tower bar or rear sway on the car STOCK

There are some options for upper strut bars, Tanabe appears to be the most affordable, Cuso lower tie and the TRD Rear Sway appears to be all we have for now, Progress is coming along very slow

go to wesellcarparts.com

between them and bulletproofauotomotive you should be able to find everything you need suspension wise for this car, they are both vendors here

HTM Yaris · 05-18-2007, 07:07 PM

If you take off that plastic stuff (fresh air vent, windshield squirter) just under the front window , you will see the tower brace . If you look at the rear (closest to the firewall ) of the front strut tower , you will see it . Like I said , its thin and ugly , but works beautifully . Look at the 1 in Siphon mag and you will see it also . It DOESN'T connect to the top of the strut tower , but the top rear , near the firewall . It is a brace integrated into the body . NOT A BAR .

brickhardmeat · 05-18-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HTM Yaris

If you take off that plastic stuff (fresh air vent, windshield squirter) just under the front window , you will see the tower brace . If you look at the rear (closest to the firewall ) of the front strut tower , you will see it . Like I said , its thin and ugly , but works beautifully . Look at the 1 in Siphon mag and you will see it also . It DOESN'T connect to the top of the strut tower , but the top rear , near the firewall . It is a brace integrated into the body . NOT A BAR .

ok, there very well may be some type of a brace there but I was thinking you meant strut tower bar which there isn't, I'm thinking that combined with the cuso lower tie would really make a difference up front and I have to have a sway bar in the rear

blkyaris-I'm thinking about going with those Teins let us know what you think about them once installed, I was sure I'd go with Megan but I am hearing great things about Tein

HTM Yaris · 05-18-2007, 07:25 PM

Teins are very hard to beat . I have used them on 7 different cars . I never had a problem . I'm just waiting for some SS , or Flex , or some RA's to come out . Something I can use the EDFC with . Like the car in Siphon mag ( BASTARD :) ) The reason I didn't get the Tein Basics were b/c you can't adjust the dampening or rebound . Don't get me wrong , the Basics will work good for street and light competition .

brickhardmeat · 05-18-2007, 07:28 PM

exactly what I will use them for, driving to and from work mostly, but I don't like just the 2. inch drop I have I'd like to be about 2.5 maybe 3 in the rear

I think the Megan will be pretty stiff but they have a nice looking finish and appear to be of very good quality, I'm kinda hangin' on for some Megan feedback from vanderkitten and colint

everyone with the teins sounds very pleased

Vanderkitten · 06-17-2007, 02:42 AM

On the track, the Megan's kicked ass. With a tool-box, air tank, 4 wheels and tires, small floor jack, water and clothes for the day, the ride to the track was awesome!! =) Yeah, it took a ton of extra weight, but man, it was a pleasure to drive up there.

There is no roll at max cornering with DOT-R tires, and my thought is the front needs some flex so the drive whee l doesn't get picked up and spin during hard cornering.

Anyhow, after 1400 miles, the shocks have come into being and are great. I just need to slow down on the crappy roads in Nor Cal.

Next mods: 25mm wheels spacers for my 15" wheels (they have some ungodly +47mm offset and sit WAY inside the body line... but they were cheap... right?) to move them outward, slotted and drilled front rotors, brake lines and Motul RBF600 fluid.

brickhardmeat · 06-17-2007, 03:04 AM

Well, I agree with HTM here. I have my Tein Basics on the way and I am thinking nothing further is going to be needed with this coilover set up. I have deleted the strut bar, sway and tie bar from my list of things to buy because I think the real difference is in the coil overs.

hystria · 06-17-2007, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HTM Yaris

Coilovers are all you will need . The Yaris LB comes with a front upper strut tower brace ,STOCK (sure its thin and ugly , but highly effective). Unless you get a warm fuzzy feeling by having a TRD rear sway , you won't need it either . Unless you are a porn star , stiffer isn't always better . As far a tires go get 205 with 16's or get 195 with 15's . you will be happy . Personally I use Michelin Pilot Exalto II 195/55/15 for street and rain duty . Hoosiers205/45/16 for dry conditions . I use the stock Goodyears for rain/snow/hunting season .

Check this out . This me with my Michelins with TRD/TEINS . Notice I am right on that guy . He wasn't lolligaggin' either . Also notice the 2 350 Z's waaaay in the background . The Z's and I started at the same time . This pic was taken about halfway through the course . All you need for the Yaris is as follows . 1. Coilovers 2. Good tires .3 Seat Time

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/Orde...122&po=1122&c=

100% agree. Stock suspension is the cheapest part on this car - especially the shocks: very bouncy on bad roads, getting very stiff on cold weather.

no need to change the front sway bar, as the car gets lowered, the stock bar bends more thus being more stiffer - this significantly improves the handling.

churp · 06-17-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hystria

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no need to change the front sway bar, as the car gets lowered, the stock bar bends more thus being more stiffer - this significantly improves the handling.

How does a sway bar get stiffer??????? (not that stiffer is needed) only way is larger diameter, or change the distance/length between attachment points....research.

Shroomster · 06-17-2007, 11:31 AM

I think they mean more tension is added which means mroe pressure on the brace/bracket/bar/whatever.....

Black Yaris · 06-17-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by churp

How does a sway bar get stiffer???????

a picture tells a 1000 words

05-18-2007, 01:09 AM	#1
blkyaris Drives: blkyaris Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hi Posts: 4	making the 3dr hatch ride on rails? got a yaris and want to do alot of suspension upgrades to improve tightness around corners. i already have the tein basics on order....so my question is are there any other performance bars? or anything out to stiffen the chasis? example... front/rear strut bars.....front/rear sway.....tension rod bar.....lower arm bar.....

05-18-2007, 01:13 AM	#2
tk-421 Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 5D-07-LB Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dagobah Posts: 4,263	Do yourself a favor and use the search function. There's TONS of info on this topic @ YarisWorld. Peace __________________ --[ FORUM RULES ]--[ SEARCHING TIPS ]--[ EYELIDS PICS ]--[ RBK SPOILER ]--[ BEST/WORST INVESTMENTS ]--

05-18-2007, 01:44 PM	#3
07typeS View User's Garage Drives: 2007 White Toyota Yaris Type S Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 439	your best bet is going to be shocks and currently TRD is the only ones out there, ive contacted kyb for some gr2's with no luck..... next id try a front strut bar, it tightened up my steering..... next try a rear sway bar, some say it does nothing because of the solid rear axle.....but i personally dont know..... there are some tie bars available for rear, middle and front....you may want to check those out as well..... go for some 225/50/16's and I think you woulod be good to go..... do a search and you will find everything i mentioned........ __________________ TRD Springs w/ KYB Struts and Shocks, Custom CAI w/ K&N filter and pre filter wrap, Weapon R Header, Stock 15 inch alloys, Dezod Performance pads, Tanabe Front Strut Bar, 35% front door Tint and 20% Rear doors back Tint, De-Badged Ass, Custom painted flat black interior, Pioneer deh-p6700bt w/ IPOD hookup, Infinity components up front with custom mounted tweeter, Inifinity 6x9's out back, 1 12" kicker comp cvr........

05-18-2007, 05:12 PM	#5
07typeS View User's Garage Drives: 2007 White Toyota Yaris Type S Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 439	fine........215/50's lol............. and oops on the coilovers........i didnt know the tein basics were coilovers, thought they were just springs..... __________________ TRD Springs w/ KYB Struts and Shocks, Custom CAI w/ K&N filter and pre filter wrap, Weapon R Header, Stock 15 inch alloys, Dezod Performance pads, Tanabe Front Strut Bar, 35% front door Tint and 20% Rear doors back Tint, De-Badged Ass, Custom painted flat black interior, Pioneer deh-p6700bt w/ IPOD hookup, Infinity components up front with custom mounted tweeter, Inifinity 6x9's out back, 1 12" kicker comp cvr........

05-18-2007, 06:43 PM	#7
Vanderkitten Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: May 2007 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 243	[QUOTE=HTM Yaris;87374]. The Yaris LB comes with a front upper strut tower brace ,STOCK (sure its thin and ugly , but highly effective). [QUOTE] Are you sure about that? I didn't see anything of the like when I installed my CAI today and pointed to the strut tower to the guys at Weapon R and said "Do you think you can get an upper strut tie bar in there?" and they looked and said "it's very tight, I don't know how you would be able to attach it?" Let me know. The Tein project Yaris in Siphon does NOT run one. ALSO: Be careful when MFG's claim their base coil-overs are ride height adjustable... because many are NOT! Many use PRE-LOAD as their means of adjusting ride height. So, the stiffer the spring, the lower the car... but this is RIDE HEIGHT as a FUNCTION of PRE-LOAD, not a TRUE ride height adjustment. The MEGAN RACING coilovers are the only one's I've see besides the expensive TEINS that offer an independent ride height adjustment. So, just read throughly! __________________ Dave V- Creator-Vanderkitten- Clothing for Women Who Kick Ass! Many thanks to our sponsors: Weapon-R http://weapon-r.com Megan Racing http://www.meganracing.com Les Schwab Tires http://www.lesschwab.com 317 graphics http://www.317graphics.com

05-18-2007, 06:29 PM	#6
HTM Yaris resident senior View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: south Carolina Posts: 814	Coilovers are all you will need . The Yaris LB comes with a front upper strut tower brace ,STOCK (sure its thin and ugly , but highly effective). Unless you get a warm fuzzy feeling by having a TRD rear sway , you won't need it either . Unless you are a porn star , stiffer isn't always better . As far a tires go get 205 with 16's or get 195 with 15's . you will be happy . Personally I use Michelin Pilot Exalto II 195/55/15 for street and rain duty . Hoosiers205/45/16 for dry conditions . I use the stock Goodyears for rain/snow/hunting season . Check this out . This me with my Michelins with TRD/TEINS . Notice I am right on that guy . He wasn't lolligaggin' either . Also notice the 2 350 Z's waaaay in the background . The Z's and I started at the same time . This pic was taken about halfway through the course . All you need for the Yaris is as follows . 1. Coilovers 2. Good tires .3 Seat Time http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/Orde...122&po=1122&c=

05-18-2007, 07:02 PM	#8
brickhardmeat Lonesome Cowboy View User's Garage Drives: 2007 WHITE HATCHBACK Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Inner City, Dallas Posts: 2,995	There aint no upper strut bar in mine, there is a front sway bar yes but there is no tower bar or rear sway on the car STOCK There are some options for upper strut bars, Tanabe appears to be the most affordable, Cuso lower tie and the TRD Rear Sway appears to be all we have for now, Progress is coming along very slow go to wesellcarparts.com between them and bulletproofauotomotive you should be able to find everything you need suspension wise for this car, they are both vendors here __________________ SPONSORED BY

05-18-2007, 07:07 PM	#9
HTM Yaris resident senior View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: south Carolina Posts: 814	If you take off that plastic stuff (fresh air vent, windshield squirter) just under the front window , you will see the tower brace . If you look at the rear (closest to the firewall ) of the front strut tower , you will see it . Like I said , its thin and ugly , but works beautifully . Look at the 1 in Siphon mag and you will see it also . It DOESN'T connect to the top of the strut tower , but the top rear , near the firewall . It is a brace integrated into the body . NOT A BAR .

05-18-2007, 07:25 PM	#11
HTM Yaris resident senior View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: south Carolina Posts: 814	Teins are very hard to beat . I have used them on 7 different cars . I never had a problem . I'm just waiting for some SS , or Flex , or some RA's to come out . Something I can use the EDFC with . Like the car in Siphon mag ( BASTARD :) ) The reason I didn't get the Tein Basics were b/c you can't adjust the dampening or rebound . Don't get me wrong , the Basics will work good for street and light competition .

05-18-2007, 07:28 PM	#12
brickhardmeat Lonesome Cowboy View User's Garage Drives: 2007 WHITE HATCHBACK Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Inner City, Dallas Posts: 2,995	exactly what I will use them for, driving to and from work mostly, but I don't like just the 2. inch drop I have I'd like to be about 2.5 maybe 3 in the rear I think the Megan will be pretty stiff but they have a nice looking finish and appear to be of very good quality, I'm kinda hangin' on for some Megan feedback from vanderkitten and colint everyone with the teins sounds very pleased __________________ SPONSORED BY

06-17-2007, 02:42 AM	#13
Vanderkitten Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: May 2007 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 243	On the track, the Megan's kicked ass. With a tool-box, air tank, 4 wheels and tires, small floor jack, water and clothes for the day, the ride to the track was awesome!! =) Yeah, it took a ton of extra weight, but man, it was a pleasure to drive up there. There is no roll at max cornering with DOT-R tires, and my thought is the front needs some flex so the drive whee l doesn't get picked up and spin during hard cornering. Anyhow, after 1400 miles, the shocks have come into being and are great. I just need to slow down on the crappy roads in Nor Cal. Next mods: 25mm wheels spacers for my 15" wheels (they have some ungodly +47mm offset and sit WAY inside the body line... but they were cheap... right?) to move them outward, slotted and drilled front rotors, brake lines and Motul RBF600 fluid. __________________ Dave V- Creator-Vanderkitten- Clothing for Women Who Kick Ass! Many thanks to our sponsors: Weapon-R http://weapon-r.com Megan Racing http://www.meganracing.com Les Schwab Tires http://www.lesschwab.com 317 graphics http://www.317graphics.com

06-17-2007, 03:04 AM	#14
brickhardmeat Lonesome Cowboy View User's Garage Drives: 2007 WHITE HATCHBACK Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Inner City, Dallas Posts: 2,995	Well, I agree with HTM here. I have my Tein Basics on the way and I am thinking nothing further is going to be needed with this coilover set up. I have deleted the strut bar, sway and tie bar from my list of things to buy because I think the real difference is in the coil overs. __________________ SPONSORED BY

06-17-2007, 11:31 AM	#17
Shroomster '07 to '12:2 wipers to 1? View User's Garage Drives: '12 5-door LE & '14 5-door LE Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,999	I think they mean more tension is added which means mroe pressure on the brace/bracket/bar/whatever.....