Good For New Buyers , A Rip Off For Owners

[Bob Dog]

New Yaris before Cash for Clunkers $13,500
New Yaris after Cash for Clunkers $9500 +1 POS
Used Yaris before Cash for Clunkers $9500
Used Yaris after Cash for Clunkers $6000-$7500 ?
and I was dumb enough to think the big screw might be over when the Repulicans left the white house FTS

[BailOut]

While I'm all for getting gas guzzlers off the road I know that is a secondary benefit here, while the primary goal is nothing but a further bailout for the U.S. auto industry, who I never wanted to see bailed out in the first place.

As for the politics of it, meh. Every Presidency in our history has made some stinky decisions. I see no reason why that should just up and stop all of a sudden.

[Bob Dog]

Exactly: Optimism is as usual rewarded by a good swift kick in the butt....

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Bob Dog

Exactly: Optimism is as usual rewarded by a good swift kick in the butt....

I dunno... you get more things done being optimistic than pessimistic.

That being said, I still have a gigantic ghetto cruiser which the EPA says isn't a "clunker" because back in 1985 it got better than fifteen miles to the gallon.

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Bob Dog

I was dumb enough to think the big screw might be over when the Repulicans left the white house FTS

"Cash for Clunkers" is an ice cream cone and a peck on the cheek compared to the full blown luvin' you're gonna get from the Crony Capitalism of Cap 'n Rape (backed by GE and other Corporate giants) and "Health Care" (backed by the AMA).

Gene

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by GeneW

"Cash for Clunkers" is an ice cream cone and a peck on the cheek compared to the full blown luvin' you're gonna get from the Crony Capitalism of Cap 'n Rape (backed by GE and other Corporate giants) and "Health Care" (backed by the AMA).

Gene

Very true! I find it so ironic that Obama is pushing electric cars....and then is pushing cap and trade which will make it very difficult to use coal electric plants, which will drive up the price of electricity and make electric cars almost as expensive as gas cars.

Too many people have been fooled by Obama the snake oil salesman. His policies are just plain socialist and bad for America!

[2+2]

What country do you think the president was born in?

[Altitude]

Originally Posted by daf62757

Too many people have been fooled by Obama the snake oil salesman. His policies are just plain socialist and bad for America!

Polly want a cracker?

[tomato]

You guys ought to move that thread to the off topic discussion, I think.

Health care: do you really like the idea that millions of Americans everywhere can't afford health insurance right now? Some can, but insurances will turn them down based on pre-existing conditions. What are they supposed to do? Here in California, a simple doctor's visit (consult, 15 minutes at MOST) is $184. That's not some fancy visit in some fancy place, believe me.

Is it fair that people who have worked all their lives and saved every penny should go bankrupt when someone gets, let's say cancer? IDK, something sure needs to be done. I don't trust the government anymore than the next guy, but a little bit of regulation to make sure prices don't skyrocket might be a good idea. Look at the price of prescription drugs for instance, I mean that is completely out of hand. Many of these drugs (which Seniors require) are long out of R&D, and shouldn't be priced that high. The tax payer is footing the bill Maybe I should just shut up because the health care situation just puts me in a bad mood. Anyway, think about it, even if you voted Republican and hate the very thought of any government involvment. Just think about it, OK? Health care as it is now in the US is no care at all for the majority of people. It is a disgrace, if you ask me.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by tomato

You guys ought to move that thread to the off topic discussion, I think.

Health care: do you really like the idea that millions of Americans everywhere can't afford health insurance right now? Some can, but insurances will turn them down based on pre-existing conditions. What are they supposed to do? Here in California, a simple doctor's visit (consult, 15 minutes at MOST) is $184. That's not some fancy visit in some fancy place, believe me.

Is it fair that people who have worked all their lives and saved every penny should go bankrupt when someone gets, let's say cancer? IDK, something sure needs to be done. I don't trust the government anymore than the next guy, but a little bit of regulation to make sure prices don't skyrocket might be a good idea. Look at the price of prescription drugs for instance, I mean that is completely out of hand. Many of these drugs (which Seniors require) are long out of R&D, and shouldn't be priced that high. The tax payer is footing the bill Maybe I should just shut up because the health care situation just puts me in a bad mood. Anyway, think about it, even if you voted Republican and hate the very thought of any government involvment. Just think about it, OK? Health care as it is now in the US is no care at all for the majority of people. It is a disgrace, if you ask me.

Meet you here....

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...195#post362195


Gene

[tomato]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Meet you here....

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...195#post362195


Gene

I saw the comment, thanks for responding to me. I don't know if I can answer, honestly because I don't have much time to spend online these days and once you get started with these kind of debates, before you know it, the best part of the day is gone. I can see that you and I have a very different view point on some stuff and that's cool, I respect that, but if I start debating with you, I won't get anything else done. I'm sorry, can't do it right now.

Also, my apologies for the thread jack.

[tuckevalastin]

Cash for Clunkers is most certainly benefiting Asian carmakers more than the US automakers. The regulations of the program pretty much ensure that. Not only are people using this program to buy Asian cars now but those Asian cars will last 5-10 years at least meaning those people won't even need to consider buying American for 5-10 years. IMO it would have been much more beneficial to make this program actually benefit the US auto industry, at least then it would benefit something our government has already invested heavily in.

The program appears to be about 80% show and 20% go. The one upside is that it has managed to bring 250,000 buyers into dealerships this week. The list of downsides is very long.

[Shroomster]

Originally Posted by tuckevalastin

Cash for Clunkers is most certainly benefiting Asian carmakers more than the US automakers. The regulations of the program pretty much ensure that. Not only are people using this program to buy Asian cars now but those Asian cars will last 5-10 years at least meaning those people won't even need to consider buying American for 5-10 years. IMO it would have been much more beneficial to make this program actually benefit the US auto industry, at least then it would benefit something our government has already invested heavily in.

The program appears to be about 80% show and 20% go. The one upside is that it has managed to bring 250,000 buyers into dealerships this week. The list of downsides is very long.

they may be based out of japan, korea, wherever, but check out the number of plants (thats manufacturing plants) and offices they now own and operate here in the states, mexico and canada.

besides china holds most of our U.S debt. <<<off topic but ya know.

[tuckevalastin]

Originally Posted by Shroomster

they may be based out of japan, korea, wherever, but check out the number of plants (thats manufacturing plants) and offices they now own and operate here in the states, mexico and canada.

besides china holds most of our U.S debt. <<<off topic but ya know.

I know the number of plants and offices in N.America (both Import and Domestic) and that doesn't change a thing in my opinion.

[eric81]

Originally Posted by tuckevalastin

Cash for Clunkers is most certainly benefiting Asian carmakers more than the US automakers. The regulations of the program pretty much ensure that. Not only are people using this program to buy Asian cars now but those Asian cars will last 5-10 years at least meaning those people won't even need to consider buying American for 5-10 years. IMO it would have been much more beneficial to make this program actually benefit the US auto industry, at least then it would benefit something our government has already invested heavily in.

The program appears to be about 80% show and 20% go. The one upside is that it has managed to bring 250,000 buyers into dealerships this week. The list of downsides is very long.

Did you know that there are more Toyota's made in the US by US citizens then there are Toyota's coming in from Japan? And that Toyota has 4 of the top 10 americanized vehicles? Including the number one spot with the Camry? Yeah, the Camry beat out every other car in the US, including Fords, GM's, Chevy's, Pontiac's, Chrystler's, Jeeps, and Dodge's. How is this not helping the US? Maybe they should take a page out of Toyota's book and start building efficient, reliable cars. That's just my opinion though. Oh, wait, it's not my opinion. It's facts. Do your research.

[tuckevalastin]

Originally Posted by eric81

Did you know that there are more Toyota's made in the US by US citizens then there are Toyota's coming in from Japan? And that Toyota has 4 of the top 10 americanized vehicles? Including the number one spot with the Camry? Yeah, the Camry beat out every other car in the US, including Fords, GM's, Chevy's, Pontiac's, Chrystler's, Jeeps, and Dodge's. How is this not helping the US? Maybe they should take a page out of Toyota's book and start building efficient, reliable cars. That's just my opinion though. Oh, wait, it's not my opinion. It's facts. Do your research.

Just because Toyota builds cars in the US and for the US buyers doesn't make them a US automaker. Did you do your research? It shouldn't be hard to find out that Toyota is NOT a US automaker!!!

[Bob Dog]

6 months after the inception of a major illness, 60% of families no longer have healthcare insurance. Modern health care insurance is a grand scale scam at least on the level of the mortgage and the banking scandals. It is structured by actuaries to never pay off. The only ones who can afford keep the stuff in event of serious illness are the wealthy, so it ends up everyone else is subsidising the healthcare of the rich with their payments before their insurance was terminated.

[tuckevalastin]

No sense in moving it to off topic... political threads only make it a few hours before getting so heated that they are locked anyway