2011 Toyota Yaris Hybrid

[roxy1]

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

hard to wrap my head around it, but its true. going from the current yaris (36 mpg) to 50 mpg will save 78 gallons per 10,000 miles, or $156 at todays gas prices. after 100,000 miles in a new hybrid yaris, you will have saved $1560 in gas. one would never come close to recovering the extra costs of that car. environmentally good (but not as good as you'd think as compared mpg's get higher) but financially would be a poor choice.

we need a sub 15k car that can pull 60 mpg. that would make it worth it to me.

[marcus]

Originally Posted by roxy1

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

hard to wrap my head around it, but its true. going from the current yaris (36 mpg) to 50 mpg will save 78 gallons per 10,000 miles, or $156 at todays gas prices. after 100,000 miles in a new hybrid yaris, you will have saved $1560 in gas. one would never come close to recovering the extra costs of that car. environmentally good (but not as good as you'd think as compared mpg's get higher) but financially would be a poor choice.

we need a sub 15k car that can pull 60 mpg. that would make it worth it to me.

you got that right...

[wooverstone8]

If they can keep the starting price under 16k I would consider buying one in the future. The roads are so congested where I live now. I drive 40% city and 60% highway. The 60% Highway I drive is usually stop and go.

[nemelek]

I would rather buy an IQ.

[kudzu71]

Originally Posted by wooverstone8

If they can keep the starting price under 16k I would consider buying one in the future. The roads are so congested where I live now. I drive 40% city and 60% highway. The 60% Highway I drive is usually stop and go.

I would think it would have to be priced below 17K to realistically pull people away from the Insight. If they are too close in price then people will just move to the Insight for more cargo space/etc. I could totally justify a Yaris hybrid for 16,500 or so.

Now what would really be cool is if it was a 2-mode like the new Vue so that the first 40-50 miles or so ran completely off the batteries.

[PetersRedYaris]

I bet it will be the sedan, sadly...

[Rain]

Probably my next car
But hopefully it's not a sedan!

[Pars]

Yep, Toyota is going to need to figure out a way to cheapen their Hybrid system to compete with Honda. The fact the Hybrid system can take the pressure off the engine and run all the accessories, instead of putting that load on the engine is a huge bonus (something that should be included in all cars). Now that batteries are getting better, it's a no brainer.

What would be cool, something that Honda couldn't simulate with their Hybrid system, is to have the system drive the rear wheel and make the car an AWD. Given the Yaris already had excellent dynamic while on the go, but crappy traction on the take-off, and extra set of driving wheel would be a huge bonus. Also, the extra take-off power might go a long way towards giving the car a better clutch feel (manual transmission). Also, a manual Yaris that's getting extra power from a hybrid system can be good setup to take on Honda's new CRZ. Or, Toyota can spend tons of money to build a car from scratch to take on CRZ, which would also be cool.

[Pars]

I'm looking forward to the CRZ. I used to own a CRX and I miss the laid back driving position and the interior's look and feel. The new CRZ's interior is suppose to be modeled after the old CRX. It'll make for an interesting setup..

MR2 Hybrid, with an engine in the rear? Now that's even more interesting. I love it when one of manufactures raises the bar.

[tetzyamis]

Originally Posted by PetersRedYaris

I bet it will be the sedan, sadly...

I automatically thought is will be hatch because of the picture they used.
But you're right!!! They probably will use sedan... considering the space for the battery.

[mr. poopyhead]

gas mileage? just give us the D-4D already!

[ka0sx]

I dont care hybrid systems are non cost efficient and do not in fact help the environment.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by ka0sx

I dont care hybrid systems are non cost efficient and do not in fact help the environment.

absolutely correct. you know when you ask people : "what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?", you will get some people who will respond, "the lead." well, i swear if you asked, what would you rather drive to get good mileage and save the environment, a 50 mpg hybrid or a 50 mpg gas engine car?" you would get plenty of "give me the hybrid" answers.

the fact is, that hybrid will most definitely have a bigger (negative) impact on the environment due to production/disposal issues. i dont get all the hybrid hype. i dont know if they will ever really justify their extra costs. it would take 100,000 miles of driving to save only $1560 by getting 50 mpg instead of 36 mpg. add $1560 to the current yaris price, and all that does is break even, but you know a yaris hybrid will be considereably more than that.

id rather have them concentrate their efforts on making gas engine cars lighter and more efficient and bringing us some truly high mileage deisel vehicles.

imo, hybrids are just a band-aid to the true future of vehicles. (fuel cels, electric, etc...).

[MrMondayNite]

There are only 2 cars I would trade my Yaris in for, the IQ and the VW Polo. But they are probably not coming to the states anyway.

[ka0sx]

Originally Posted by roxy1

id rather have them concentrate their efforts on making gas engine cars lighter and more efficient and bringing us some truly high mileage deisel vehicles.

If the government released back the patents of the turbine drive that it bought from Chrysler in the 70's hybrids would actually be a good thing. The Chrysler turbine drive put down 400 hp in the high end and still got 28mpg, but had issues with slow take off as it lacked torque in the low end. However this system with the advances in turbine technology will push 39-46mpg on a 200hp turbine, with a hybrid transmission synergy system you eliminate the no torque at low end problem as electric motors have max. torque at the low end the added benefit of it being a hybrid system is it would be pushing 60mpg depending on which fuel you decide to pump and quite more on a light car such as something weighing 2400lbs and not 4000lbs like what the engine was originally in. These turbine systems had the benefits of being efficient, low polluting, did not need much oil, maintenance free, and could burn any combustible liquid as fuel (diesel, gasoline, whiskey...)

[roxy1]

the Polo is coming here

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090116....ding-to-the-us

the quesdtion is: which version will we get. i love the looks of the new polo and will be all over it if the mileage , price, and warranty are acceptable. that's a big if.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by roxy1

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

Increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg or from 30 mpg to 60 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as increasing the mileage of a 60 mpg car to a trillion mpg.

Same gas savings for going from 5 to 5.4545 as well. Diminishing returns are a bitch

:D

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by supmet

Increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg or from 30 mpg to 60 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as increasing the mileage of a 60 mpg car to a trillion mpg.

Same gas savings for going from 5 to 5.4545 as well. Diminishing returns are a bitch

:D

thats why i have trouble getting excited over 40-50-60 mpg cars. it just wont make much difference from the 40 mpg a yaris can do now. i'll get excited when we can produce reasonably affordable vehicles that require no gasoline.