2011 Toyota Yaris Hybrid

[roxy1]

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

hard to wrap my head around it, but its true. going from the current yaris (36 mpg) to 50 mpg will save 78 gallons per 10,000 miles, or $156 at todays gas prices. after 100,000 miles in a new hybrid yaris, you will have saved $1560 in gas. one would never come close to recovering the extra costs of that car. environmentally good (but not as good as you'd think as compared mpg's get higher) but financially would be a poor choice.

we need a sub 15k car that can pull 60 mpg. that would make it worth it to me.

[marcus]

Originally Posted by roxy1

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

hard to wrap my head around it, but its true. going from the current yaris (36 mpg) to 50 mpg will save 78 gallons per 10,000 miles, or $156 at todays gas prices. after 100,000 miles in a new hybrid yaris, you will have saved $1560 in gas. one would never come close to recovering the extra costs of that car. environmentally good (but not as good as you'd think as compared mpg's get higher) but financially would be a poor choice.

we need a sub 15k car that can pull 60 mpg. that would make it worth it to me.

you got that right...

[wooverstone8]

If they can keep the starting price under 16k I would consider buying one in the future. The roads are so congested where I live now. I drive 40% city and 60% highway. The 60% Highway I drive is usually stop and go.

[kudzu71]

Originally Posted by wooverstone8

If they can keep the starting price under 16k I would consider buying one in the future. The roads are so congested where I live now. I drive 40% city and 60% highway. The 60% Highway I drive is usually stop and go.

I would think it would have to be priced below 17K to realistically pull people away from the Insight. If they are too close in price then people will just move to the Insight for more cargo space/etc. I could totally justify a Yaris hybrid for 16,500 or so.

Now what would really be cool is if it was a 2-mode like the new Vue so that the first 40-50 miles or so ran completely off the batteries.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by roxy1

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

Increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg or from 30 mpg to 60 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as increasing the mileage of a 60 mpg car to a trillion mpg.

Same gas savings for going from 5 to 5.4545 as well. Diminishing returns are a bitch

:D

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by supmet

Increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg or from 30 mpg to 60 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as increasing the mileage of a 60 mpg car to a trillion mpg.

Same gas savings for going from 5 to 5.4545 as well. Diminishing returns are a bitch

:D

thats why i have trouble getting excited over 40-50-60 mpg cars. it just wont make much difference from the 40 mpg a yaris can do now. i'll get excited when we can produce reasonably affordable vehicles that require no gasoline.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by roxy1

thats why i have trouble getting excited over 40-50-60 mpg cars. it just wont make much difference from the 40 mpg a yaris can do now. i'll get excited when we can produce reasonably affordable vehicles that require no gasoline.

If I could go from 50 to 80 US mpg I would save $2 a day in gas and have to fill in gas every 13 days vs every 9. Those are significant numbers for me.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by voodoo22

If I could go from 50 to 80 US mpg I would save $2 a day in gas and have to fill in gas every 13 days vs every 9. Those are significant numbers for me.

for every 10,000 miles, 50 mpg=200 gallons needed=$400
for every 10,000 miles, 80 mpg=125 gallons needed=$250

so, every 10,000 miles saves $150

to save $2/day in gas, you would have to drive 10,000 miles every 2 1/2 months ($2/day x75 days=$150), which means you drive 48,000 miles per year. most people arent putting anywhere near that kind of mileage their cars. for those that do, yeah, it could make a difference.

...and taking that 80 mpg vehicle another 30 mpg to 110 mpg would require 90.9 gallons, saving only $68 every 10000 miles. as was said, diminishing returns are a bitch.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by roxy1

for every 10,000 miles, 50 mpg=200 gallons needed=$400
for every 10,000 miles, 80 mpg=125 gallons needed=$250

so, every 10,000 miles saves $150

to save $2/day in gas, you would have to drive 10,000 miles every 2 1/2 months ($2/day x75 days=$150), which means you drive 48,000 miles per year. most people arent putting anywhere near that kind of mileage their cars. for those that do, yeah, it could make a difference.

...and taking that 80 mpg vehicle another 30 mpg to 110 mpg would require 90.9 gallons, saving only $68 every 10000 miles. as was said, diminishing returns are a bitch.

You're applying American prices to a Canadian.

I use about 5 litres of gas a day.

going from 4.7l/100km to 2.9l/100km would reduce my daily cost of gas by close to $2 a day at current gas prices and by over $2 a day when the prices return to last summers highs that would be well over $2 a day.

50-80mpg might be not be significant enough for people in the US, but for many people in Canada and places like Europe, it's very significant.

The problem here isn't that it isn't significant enough of a return, the problem is that gas is too cheap in the US and that's a problem I cannot relate to.

**andI forgot that next July the Ontario Government is going to be adding the 8% provincial tax to gas, so that will make this change even more significant**

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by voodoo22

You're applying American prices to a Canadian.

I use about 5 litres of gas a day.

going from 4.7l/100km to 2.9l/100km would reduce my daily cost of gas by close to $2 a day at current gas prices and by over $2 a day when the prices return to last summers highs that would be well over $2 a day.

50-80mpg might be not be significant enough for people in the US, but for many people in Canada and places like Europe, it's very significant.

The problem here isn't that it isn't significant enough of a return, the problem is that gas is too cheap in the US and that's a problem I cannot relate to.

**andI forgot that next July the Ontario Government is going to be adding the 8% provincial tax to gas, so that will make this change even more significant**

of course, it would be a nice problem to have if we could be worried about getting ONLY 50 mpg.