Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

FYI...
The local car-audio shop doesn't looks like he is going to price match the alpine subwoofers or the pioneer amps, instead he offered more options and more expensive. By the way he was very impressed with the P-99

This is what the local shop suggested:






I also consulted a very knowledgeable person, I think they call him BASS-HEAD and he is going to suggest me other options.

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[sqcomp]

WTF are those? Are they suggesting that you use 6x9 speakers for your kicks?

*sigh*

What do you think? What other options was the local shop suggesting?

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

WTF are those? Are they suggesting that you use 6x9 speakers for your kicks?

*sigh*

What do you think? What other options was the local shop suggesting?

This one... *I think they just want to sell me something* even I told them my budget they insist on going high!

[Alien Mantis]

See.... this is why I don't like most car audio shops.
They do indeed just want to SELL you "something".

( and the more expensive... the better for THEM )

I don't like 6x9's for subs. They are good for mid-bass though.

Order two Alpine Type-R 10" from SonicElectronix.com and be done with it.



( get the DUAL 2ohm models, so you can wire them both up for a 2ohm load )

Voice coils in series for 4ohms each, subs wired in parallel for 2ohm total load.

[Alien Mantis]

Here's the BOX you want for those two Type-R's :

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...10+-Gray-.html

[Herbicidal]

Originally Posted by Alien Mantis

Order two Alpine Type-R 10" from SonicElectronix.com and be done with it.

AMEN!!! Even though I just have one.

[Palmer812]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

FYI...
The local car-audio shop doesn't looks like he is going to price match the alpine subwoofers or the pioneer amps, instead he offered more options and more expensive. By the way he was very impressed with the P-99

This is what the local shop suggested:






I also consulted a very knowledgeable person, I think they call him BASS-HEAD and he is going to suggest me other options.

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Idiots. Shops like that make us all look bad. I wish you guys lived near me. I would match anything you can find on the web no problem. I would rather sell you something at a discount and make a little money than have you walk and buy online. That equals $0 in my pocket. I like to sell high end stuff but nowadays money is tight. We sell the crap out of entry level gear and some of it sounds pretty good for the money.

[sqcomp]

...Or we can get you into a sub that has a better tonal accuracy and into an enclosure that allows a woofer to actually sound good versus a pre fab box that isn't specifically made for the woofer.

Think about it Derick, you're being told to slap two cheap woofers into a monstrous prefabbed vented box that will take up your trunk. You've put a ton of time into the car already. You want to cut it short now?

There are better MTX options out there for you. That is an old model from what I'm seeing. Also, if you're thinking of mid bass AND affordability, I seem to remember Powerbass having a mid driver for you.

...and of course they were impressed with the P-99. They saw that and they though that you were holding out for the best price. Think about it. They see a $1300 deck and then they hear that you want to go inexpensive on speakers? AM is right with the insinuation that the dot.com sites don't give a $hit about what you have going on. They'll sell you whatever, they couldn't care less about you or your setup. They just want your money.

[derickveliz2]

Thanks guys,
Lots of information here, I need to digest all this and learn more. Jim (sqcomp's friend) tells me that for SQ it's better a Class A-B instead of a Class D.

Since I'm going to have to get 2 new amps and eventually a new sub, I need some time and dig more about it. So I think I'm going to start with a 4 channel amp (maybe a class A-B) Then an amp for the sub + sub

I rather go SQ than SPL for sure.

any thoughts?

For now going back to the kickpanels!

[derickveliz2]

I really like the Boston Acoustics SPG555-4 (not really a 6x9), it's very light goes into a 1 cu feet sealed box but at a price tag.


LINK for info

[sqcomp]

AKK! Those spg bostons are $350?!? Seriously? Those things are NOT what you want. Let me get this straight, are those what you're considering for a sub?

IDq 10" or 12" in less than a cube. You want compact? You want output? You want SQ? It's better than the SPL pig type R and either will play in less than a cube. I'm doing the IDMAX because I want only one sub and and I have the power to support it. Derick, you can get an IDq with a REAL warranty for $240 landed at your doorstep.

That enclosure for the type R is from Xscorpion. It's cheap quality MDF to say the least made overseas with 5/8" MDF. You think I'm lying...

[sickpuppy1]

That link is to a BA 13" Sub with same look to it. So SQ, he want looking to spend 350.00 for a pair of 6x9's. That being said, I'm still not sure that you arent paying for the name... And even then I dont think BA is the shiznit in home audio either so.....

[sqcomp]

Having a side by side, with the type R and an IDQ...I know the winner. The Type R IS a pig. I'm MORE than happy to do a side by side challenge. If one thinks that is a good sounding sub, go with that. Have fun living in bliss. Now, I do also know that there was a crappy prefabbed box up there. It WILL sound bad. Oh, it will put out sound pressure. Yes, putting that Type R in a sealed will tighten it up more. I still stand by my statement that the IDQ sounds better. It also matches Derick's needs a bit better. It matches his available power and it's more sensitive than the Type R. They both go in the same sized enclosure (the 10"s and 12"s)...The IDQ 12 is even better. Same sized enclosure as the 10, same power, even better sensitivity (again) than the Type R 12.

I wouldn't be suprised to see a few more dB out of the IDQ on the same power in the same sealed enclosure than the Type R as well as better accuracy.

Bargain hunt. Make it happen. I see it all the time. It is certainly a travesty that Derick doesn't have a good shop near him. You're right, in house warranty is what they offer on the nice name brand equipment. If that's good enough for you not to recieve factory backed products (much like buying a new car without a factory warranty), cool. You don't know where he gets his stuff from...you don't care either as long as it works. Fair enough. I just want to know I'm not getting a hot or a fake item. I'll pay more for that satisfaction of knowing.

It does show, however, that one shop DOES care about him. Too bad it's on the other side of the country.

[Alien Mantis]

SqComp:

I never said the Type-R is better than a IDQ. I am sure the IDQ is better.
I believe it is also a bit more expensive. So you pay more, to get a little more.
Nothing wrong with that.

I would recommend those Image Dynamics subs too.
I haven't had the chance to hear them, but they do look really nice, and they have great specs.

As far as I know, Sonicelectronix does NOT sell counterfeit gear.
All the stuff I ever ordered from them was all brand-new FACTORY stuff.

Your comparison between a $100 subwoofer, and a new CAR is a bit of a stretch!

Apples and oranges, my friend.
BUT... since you mentioned it, I would totally buy a NEW car without ANY warranty, if I could get that sucker
for HALF price! Sign me up!


Palmer812:
I totally agree with everything you said.

[derickveliz2]

Thanks guys, Great and super important information, different opinions and points of view helps me and I hope others as well.

Personally if I had the economical power to buy what I would like to it would be a Stage 4 from Pioneer (including the little Lexus), but that's not the case I'm still unemployed so I rather go slow and think twice every move. That is the VALUE of threads like this where I'm learning and gaining knowledge as we go.

I wish I had a local access to a good car-audio shop and friends like you to listen to their systems. I have been looking around but looks like everything happens on the other side of the country.

Any way I'm glad to be in this forum and hear from all of you!

I have a plan:

- 4 channel Class AB amp to replace my old Premier 4 channel.
- Keep working on kickpanels and A-pillars for Mid-bass down on the floor and Mid-range + tweeters up high. (these will take me a lot of time, like every thing else jeje )
- I'm going to be saving for another amp + subwoofer in the near future.

I know of a friend who has a very expensive woofer and one day he tested a smaller cheaper woofer, he really like it to the point that he was thinking about replacing his fancy woofer; maybe that is the way to go.

For now looks like I like sound quality and not a loud system... so bear with me and lets keep sharing our thoughts to all our Yaris-World community!

YEAH!!!!





Thanks again...
Derick.

[sqcomp]

Hey derick, eye candy for you...

http://pioneer.jp/carrozzeria/carrozzeria_x/

You think the stage 4 is the best Pioneer has? MWAHAHAHA! I'd go back to Iraq for a crack at this stuff...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Hey derick, eye candy for you...

http://pioneer.jp/carrozzeria/carrozzeria_x/

You think the stage 4 is the best Pioneer has? MWAHAHAHA! I'd go back to Iraq for a crack at this stuff...

Love it!

Still would look much better with a Lexus in the background! jeje

[derickveliz2]

Today my friend Eric who plays in a band for the Air Force (he plays the Bass), took a close look at my car, even though I'm only running 6.5 midbass drivers in the doors and the Bachuka in the trunk (I bump up the 6.5 drivers from 53Hz to 12.5KHz so I can listen to some music)...

He could not tell about the Bachuka in the trunk! he thought all the BASS was coming from the little 6.5 drivers. He was amazed of the sound! by muting the subwoofer was the only way he could tell the deep lower frequencies are coming from some where else. I explain him about the Mids and Tweeter not there jet yet.

I did explain him about front stage and sq vrs SPL, I guess he would be a good judge when it comes to sound quality once I get my system going. I told him it will take me a few more months, but he is very interested to hear it once the install is complete.

He drives a very nice Volvo and he really liked the ride of my Yaris, "feels very solid and quite! much better than my car" he said!