Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

FYI...
The local car-audio shop doesn't looks like he is going to price match the alpine subwoofers or the pioneer amps, instead he offered more options and more expensive. By the way he was very impressed with the P-99

This is what the local shop suggested:






I also consulted a very knowledgeable person, I think they call him BASS-HEAD and he is going to suggest me other options.

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[sqcomp]

WTF are those? Are they suggesting that you use 6x9 speakers for your kicks?

*sigh*

What do you think? What other options was the local shop suggesting?

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

WTF are those? Are they suggesting that you use 6x9 speakers for your kicks?

*sigh*

What do you think? What other options was the local shop suggesting?

This one... *I think they just want to sell me something* even I told them my budget they insist on going high!

[Alien Mantis]

See.... this is why I don't like most car audio shops.
They do indeed just want to SELL you "something".

( and the more expensive... the better for THEM )

I don't like 6x9's for subs. They are good for mid-bass though.

Order two Alpine Type-R 10" from SonicElectronix.com and be done with it.



( get the DUAL 2ohm models, so you can wire them both up for a 2ohm load )

Voice coils in series for 4ohms each, subs wired in parallel for 2ohm total load.

[Alien Mantis]

Here's the BOX you want for those two Type-R's :

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...10+-Gray-.html

[Herbicidal]

Originally Posted by Alien Mantis

Order two Alpine Type-R 10" from SonicElectronix.com and be done with it.

AMEN!!! Even though I just have one.

[sqcomp]

...Or we can get you into a sub that has a better tonal accuracy and into an enclosure that allows a woofer to actually sound good versus a pre fab box that isn't specifically made for the woofer.

Think about it Derick, you're being told to slap two cheap woofers into a monstrous prefabbed vented box that will take up your trunk. You've put a ton of time into the car already. You want to cut it short now?

There are better MTX options out there for you. That is an old model from what I'm seeing. Also, if you're thinking of mid bass AND affordability, I seem to remember Powerbass having a mid driver for you.

...and of course they were impressed with the P-99. They saw that and they though that you were holding out for the best price. Think about it. They see a $1300 deck and then they hear that you want to go inexpensive on speakers? AM is right with the insinuation that the dot.com sites don't give a $hit about what you have going on. They'll sell you whatever, they couldn't care less about you or your setup. They just want your money.

[derickveliz2]

Thanks guys,
Lots of information here, I need to digest all this and learn more. Jim (sqcomp's friend) tells me that for SQ it's better a Class A-B instead of a Class D.

Since I'm going to have to get 2 new amps and eventually a new sub, I need some time and dig more about it. So I think I'm going to start with a 4 channel amp (maybe a class A-B) Then an amp for the sub + sub

I rather go SQ than SPL for sure.

any thoughts?

For now going back to the kickpanels!

[derickveliz2]

I really like the Boston Acoustics SPG555-4 (not really a 6x9), it's very light goes into a 1 cu feet sealed box but at a price tag.


LINK for info

[sqcomp]

AKK! Those spg bostons are $350?!? Seriously? Those things are NOT what you want. Let me get this straight, are those what you're considering for a sub?

IDq 10" or 12" in less than a cube. You want compact? You want output? You want SQ? It's better than the SPL pig type R and either will play in less than a cube. I'm doing the IDMAX because I want only one sub and and I have the power to support it. Derick, you can get an IDq with a REAL warranty for $240 landed at your doorstep.

That enclosure for the type R is from Xscorpion. It's cheap quality MDF to say the least made overseas with 5/8" MDF. You think I'm lying...

[sickpuppy1]

That link is to a BA 13" Sub with same look to it. So SQ, he want looking to spend 350.00 for a pair of 6x9's. That being said, I'm still not sure that you arent paying for the name... And even then I dont think BA is the shiznit in home audio either so.....

[Alien Mantis]

Originally Posted by Herbicidal

AMEN!!! Even though I just have one.

Hey, me too!

ONE is plenty for my needs.
If I had TWO, the bass would totally overpower the mix.

If I wanted to upgrade anything on my system, my NEXT step would be to pull all my interior panels and DYNAMAT everything.

"Sound deadening" would be my next step.
If I wanted to take it to the next level.

The Yaris HB is small, and I really didn't want BOX taking up all my cargo space. So one 10" Type-R is plenty.

As it is... my bass already overpowers my mix, but I like strong bass.
I just don't need bass that you can hear coming a block away.
That is what I call "ghetto bass".

[Alien Mantis]

Sqcomp.... don't be a hater!

You are really ragging on the Type-R and Sonicelectronix!

The Type-R is an SPL pig ??? Hey, just because it puts out tons of bass doesn't mean you gotta call it a pig!


Those NEW Type-R's are SWEET!
And you know as well as I do, the 10" Type-R's can play tight and accurate too!
The reason I keep recommending them, is because they are high quality, and you just can't beat the price on them.
$125 ea from Sonic. You can't buy a better sub for that price.

Derick was looking at the BA oval sub for $350 each ?!?!?
What a RIPOFF.
Those new Alpine Type-R's would eat that BA for lunch and we both know it!
Derick can buy TWO Type-R's for LESS than one of those BA ovals.

Just because he has a $1,300 deck, doesn't mean he needs to spend another grand on his subs!
That car audio shop took one look at that deck, and they got dollar-signs in their eyes. They said, "we got us a big fish on the line here!"

I'm trying to save Derick some money, and get him what he would be happy with.

As far as the box goes, Derick could go with a 2.0cf SEALED box for those Type-R's, and get killer tight bass response.
( with a 1,000-1,200watt RMS amp pushing them )

You don't need 3/4" MDF for a vented box.
We all know a vented box has less pressure on it, compared to a sealed box.
A sealed box needs to be thick and sturdy, to resist cabinet flex at high SPL.

That prefab vented box I recommended would be just fine.
He would trade a little SQ for a little more SPL, but he might LIKE it.
If he would rather trade some SPL for a little more SQ, he can choose a sealed box instead.
The point is, you can get a decent box for $80, and pay $125 each for a pair of subs, and have great bass.
Or you can spend a lot more money, and have great bass.
If the object is to spend more money... well... that's EASY.

Totally nothing wrong with getting an IDMAX sub or two, and having a shop custom build you a thick heavy box for a couple hundred bucks.
That works too. If that's what you want to do, hook it up!

Derick has many choices to think about. Many directions he could go.

I am sure we are all curious what he will end up going with.

And who knows, maybe he will try some stuff, and decide he wants something different. Then he might try other things.

Like YOU SqComp.... you keep trying different stuff to find that perfect combination you are looking for. You plan to compete with your system.
So you need to think along those lines.

The rest of us just want decent tunes in our ride!
And most of us don't want to spend thousands of dollars to make it happen.



( so stop hating on us "budget builders" ! )

[Alien Mantis]

And let me say ONE MORE THING:

Sonicelectronix may be an online discount retailer, but they also have a STORE you can go to, if you happen to live near them.
They just do internet stuff, because they want to do more "volume" than a local "mom-n-pop shop", so they can get better deals from the manufacturers and distributors.
( so they can pass the savings on to US, the customers! )

They also have a reputation to keep up, just like any store or shop does.
If they screw people over, word on the internet will go viral, and people will avoid their business. They don't want that, so they do their best to take care of their customers.
Sonic also warranties stuff in-house. If you have a problem with something, they will warranty it for you. I don't care if Alpine, Sonic, or mom and pop takes care of me. I just want SOMEONE to take care of me if I have a problem. A "factory" warranty doesn't mean anything to me. If Sonic will replace my bad item for me, that's all I need.

I only recommend Sonicelectronix because I have done business with them, and they have treated me right everytime.
They have a nice website to order from, FAST shipping ( FREE on most items ), best prices on most stuff, and good customer service. ( I had to send an item back one time, and they gave me no hassle at all )

SqComp, I realize you like your local shop, and they help you with your pro setup and install, and you guys are probably all buddies, and all of that is really GREAT... but not everyone has that resource available to them.

Derick went to a local shop near him, and apparently, they tried to hose him.

So maybe he can keep his options open, and try a different approach.
Me and Herbicidal are happy. Maybe Derick would be happy too.

So DERICK.... make your CHOICE!
And whatever you choose to do, hopefully you will be happy and satisfied!
That is the name of the game!

[Herbicidal]

Well stated A.M! On the reverse, I won't hate the SQ guys either!!! I'll just instead.

BTW, I took my 9 year old son out to Petsmart last night and a song came on the radio he liked so I turned it up a bit. He said "Dad! The music is surrounding me!" That comment made every last minute I've spent on the sound deadening, amp installs, speaker upgrades, cussing, swearing, etc, etc. and the $$$'s spent on my system totally worth it!

[Palmer812]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

FYI...
The local car-audio shop doesn't looks like he is going to price match the alpine subwoofers or the pioneer amps, instead he offered more options and more expensive. By the way he was very impressed with the P-99

This is what the local shop suggested:






I also consulted a very knowledgeable person, I think they call him BASS-HEAD and he is going to suggest me other options.

.

Idiots. Shops like that make us all look bad. I wish you guys lived near me. I would match anything you can find on the web no problem. I would rather sell you something at a discount and make a little money than have you walk and buy online. That equals $0 in my pocket. I like to sell high end stuff but nowadays money is tight. We sell the crap out of entry level gear and some of it sounds pretty good for the money.

[sqcomp]

Having a side by side, with the type R and an IDQ...I know the winner. The Type R IS a pig. I'm MORE than happy to do a side by side challenge. If one thinks that is a good sounding sub, go with that. Have fun living in bliss. Now, I do also know that there was a crappy prefabbed box up there. It WILL sound bad. Oh, it will put out sound pressure. Yes, putting that Type R in a sealed will tighten it up more. I still stand by my statement that the IDQ sounds better. It also matches Derick's needs a bit better. It matches his available power and it's more sensitive than the Type R. They both go in the same sized enclosure (the 10"s and 12"s)...The IDQ 12 is even better. Same sized enclosure as the 10, same power, even better sensitivity (again) than the Type R 12.

I wouldn't be suprised to see a few more dB out of the IDQ on the same power in the same sealed enclosure than the Type R as well as better accuracy.

Bargain hunt. Make it happen. I see it all the time. It is certainly a travesty that Derick doesn't have a good shop near him. You're right, in house warranty is what they offer on the nice name brand equipment. If that's good enough for you not to recieve factory backed products (much like buying a new car without a factory warranty), cool. You don't know where he gets his stuff from...you don't care either as long as it works. Fair enough. I just want to know I'm not getting a hot or a fake item. I'll pay more for that satisfaction of knowing.

It does show, however, that one shop DOES care about him. Too bad it's on the other side of the country.

[Alien Mantis]

SqComp:

I never said the Type-R is better than a IDQ. I am sure the IDQ is better.
I believe it is also a bit more expensive. So you pay more, to get a little more.
Nothing wrong with that.

I would recommend those Image Dynamics subs too.
I haven't had the chance to hear them, but they do look really nice, and they have great specs.

As far as I know, Sonicelectronix does NOT sell counterfeit gear.
All the stuff I ever ordered from them was all brand-new FACTORY stuff.

Your comparison between a $100 subwoofer, and a new CAR is a bit of a stretch!

Apples and oranges, my friend.
BUT... since you mentioned it, I would totally buy a NEW car without ANY warranty, if I could get that sucker
for HALF price! Sign me up!


Palmer812:
I totally agree with everything you said.