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cali yaris · 03-22-2010, 06:56 PM

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Just curious, do you think that, given an opportunity to vote on it, the people in this country would vote for paying taxes?

Yes. As long as it's made clear to the person being asked, all of the services they would NOT get if there were no taxes at all.

I am happy to pay taxes. I just want more for my money and different priorities in how they are spent.

But you ignored my point about complaining.
What concrete and real action have you taken to create change?

sbergman27 · 03-22-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

Yes. As long as it's made clear to the person being asked, all of the services they would NOT get if there were no taxes at all.

I am happy to pay taxes. I just want more for my money and different priorities in how they are spent.

I saw a cool bumper sticker the other day:

"What if schools had the money they needed and the Pentagon held bake sales to pay for bombs?"

Yeah, it was a big bumper sticker. :-)

-Steve

fmicle · 03-23-2010, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

But you ignored my point about complaining.
What concrete and real action have you taken to create change?

Did I complain about something?

I didn't feel like that remark was directed at me (as well)

If I misunderstood that, I will address it

Black Yaris · 03-22-2010, 07:21 PM

op, what cornfield on Ohio do you live in? We have had redlight and speed cameras here in toledo for some time. They really are not that bad, since there are signs posted at every camera... all you have to do is slow down and don't run the lights.

sbergman27 · 03-22-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Yaris

op, what cornfield on Ohio do you live in?

The OP makes a reasonable point. No need to launch a personal attack. As a traveler through many states and countless unfamiliar towns... these soulless automated systems give me pause.

-Steve

Black Yaris · 03-22-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sbergman27

The OP makes a reasonable point. No need to launch a personal attack. As a traveler through many states and countless unfamiliar towns... these soulless automated systems give me pause.

-Steve

personal attack? WTF?

look at the OP's location

Location: Ohio cornfields

I was simply asking where in Ohio he was

sbergman27 · 03-22-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Yaris

personal attack? WTF? look at the OP's location

Oops. My bad. I misinterpreted your post. Please accept my sincere apology.

-Steve

Altitude · 03-22-2010, 08:08 PM

Simple solution, obey the traffic laws and you'll have nothing to worry about. You should probably also check with your local laws as there are lots of places where it is illegal to move into the intersection while waiting to make a turn, you're supposed to wait behind the white line before proceeding when it's safe to do so.

As for voting to pay taxes, there are places where this is being done and my town (Colorado Springs) is one of them. We operate under a law known as TABOR (Tax Payers Bill Of Rights) where the city isn't allowed to institute new taxes without voter approval. One of the problems with this (and there are many) is that the people around here hate taxes and government and rarely vote for tax increases. Consequently the town is falling apart due to budget constraints. Our police and fire departments have been cut, we've sold our police helicopters, trashcans have been removed from the public spaces, the city won't be maintaining our abundant parks this summer, a large number of streetlights have been turned off, our streets are not getting repaired, major businesses have left over the years, on and on. Why? Because with the city facing budget shortfalls they asked for a property tax increase and the people voted it down.

It's a beautiful city to live in with the mountains and Pikes Peak as a backdrop but the infrastructure is crumbling. As a result I've actually decided I will be moving elsewhere in the state as soon as it is feasible. Be careful what you wish for.

eht13 · 03-22-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

Yes. As long as it's made clear to the person being asked, all of the services they would NOT get if there were no taxes at all.

I am happy to pay taxes. I just want more for my money and different priorities in how they are spent.

Very well said.

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Originally Posted by Altitude

As for voting to pay taxes, there are places where this is being done and my town (Colorado Springs) is one of them. We operate under a law known as TABOR (Tax Payers Bill Of Rights) where the city isn't allowed to institute new taxes without voter approval. One of the problems with this (and there are many) is that the people around here hate taxes and government and rarely vote for tax increases. Consequently the town is falling apart due to budget constraints. Our police and fire departments have been cut, we've sold our police helicopters, trashcans have been removed from the public spaces, the city won't be maintaining our abundant parks this summer, a large number of streetlights have been turned off, our streets are not getting repaired, major businesses have left over the years, on and on. Why? Because with the city facing budget shortfalls they asked for a property tax increase and the people voted it down.

Good point. And I bet a lot of those people who voted against taxes are also complaining about the state of things now.

sqcomp · 03-22-2010, 11:11 PM

Of course they are. They're the types to criticize everything and offer no feasible solutions. It was always better 100 years ago is what I hear. Indeed, well...go back there then. There's always Afghanistan.

Darb · 03-22-2010, 11:20 PM

Dude, I lived in Montgomery County, MD. Redlight Camera Capital of the world (ask Kcalb Siray) and never got a ticket. You'll be fine.

JBougie · 03-23-2010, 12:16 AM

Tax money would go farther if they'd quit paying for stupid things. There's a list 4-miles long of stupid things tax dollars go toward. I'm happy to pay taxes for the things that I need to pay taxes for... that list is pretty damn short though.

Redlight cams bother me, just because I've never dealt with them so I am paranoid that I would wrongly get a ticket lol We don't have them in Minnesota, and I doubt we ever will.... but I would just advise being careful and don't downshift and haul ass through that yellow :)

03-22-2010, 07:21 PM	#4
Black Yaris der Zeck View User's Garage Drives: '05 Audi A4 1.8t quattro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 5,231	op, what cornfield on Ohio do you live in? We have had redlight and speed cameras here in toledo for some time. They really are not that bad, since there are signs posted at every camera... all you have to do is slow down and don't run the lights. __________________

03-22-2010, 11:11 PM	#10
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Of course they are. They're the types to criticize everything and offer no feasible solutions. It was always better 100 years ago is what I hear. Indeed, well...go back there then. There's always Afghanistan. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

03-22-2010, 11:20 PM	#11
Darb Bear Traffic Controller Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,833	Dude, I lived in Montgomery County, MD. Redlight Camera Capital of the world (ask Kcalb Siray) and never got a ticket. You'll be fine. __________________ Darryl Kids Playing Chase On Freeways Get Smashed.

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03-22-2010, 08:08 PM	#8
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	Simple solution, obey the traffic laws and you'll have nothing to worry about. You should probably also check with your local laws as there are lots of places where it is illegal to move into the intersection while waiting to make a turn, you're supposed to wait behind the white line before proceeding when it's safe to do so. As for voting to pay taxes, there are places where this is being done and my town (Colorado Springs) is one of them. We operate under a law known as TABOR (Tax Payers Bill Of Rights) where the city isn't allowed to institute new taxes without voter approval. One of the problems with this (and there are many) is that the people around here hate taxes and government and rarely vote for tax increases. Consequently the town is falling apart due to budget constraints. Our police and fire departments have been cut, we've sold our police helicopters, trashcans have been removed from the public spaces, the city won't be maintaining our abundant parks this summer, a large number of streetlights have been turned off, our streets are not getting repaired, major businesses have left over the years, on and on. Why? Because with the city facing budget shortfalls they asked for a property tax increase and the people voted it down. It's a beautiful city to live in with the mountains and Pikes Peak as a backdrop but the infrastructure is crumbling. As a result I've actually decided I will be moving elsewhere in the state as soon as it is feasible. Be careful what you wish for.

03-23-2010, 12:16 AM	#12
JBougie Banned View User's Garage Drives: 2010 Yaris LB (Prev: 07 Sedan) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beech Bluff, TN Posts: 1,266	Tax money would go farther if they'd quit paying for stupid things. There's a list 4-miles long of stupid things tax dollars go toward. I'm happy to pay taxes for the things that I need to pay taxes for... that list is pretty damn short though. Redlight cams bother me, just because I've never dealt with them so I am paranoid that I would wrongly get a ticket lol We don't have them in Minnesota, and I doubt we ever will.... but I would just advise being careful and don't downshift and haul ass through that yellow :)