Know by Toyota Yaris defect

[cdydjded]

Im a little confused. In you first post you put:
TSB048-07
in the 11th post you put:
TSB EG048-07

If the latter is correct then here is the TSB directly from Toyota:
http://www.diymyowncar.com/toyota/ya...&%20P2419).pdf

And another thing I dont understand is this statement:
"Toyota made an inproduction change but elected to conceal a impending failure in all previously produced cars"

How is Toyota "concealing" something if the put out a bulletin? The bulletin clearly states , by vin # the car with problems.

[rslyk]

To cdydjded...Thank you for asisting me with my inaccurate TSB # I see
by your profile you have a Yaris lift Back have you read tsb eg048-07 to
see if it applies to you....If it does i would suggest you spend the $25 to
update your car.....as to concealment.....if it applies to your car it is my
opinion that unless you heard It from Toyota rather than I the information
was concealed from you. This TSB was never send to owners or distributed
a FYI to warn owners of a POSSIBLE upcoming failure that prompted Toyota
to make a production change. In my opinion that consitutes concealment.

[tomato]

"honorable" you mean as opposed to slimey, greedy, know-that-it-will-kill-you-but-will-sell-it-to-you-anyway kind of company, right?

Yeah, I do believe Toyota is a reputable, and honorable company.

To be more specific, it is my opinion that Toyota has been making durable, well built cars since I'm old enough to drive. It wasn't that long ago that you could still walk around and see 20+ year old Toyotas on the road around here (California recently cracked down on older vehicles, so that's why you don't see them anymore, but I bet if the smog laws weren't so strict, you'd still see them around). So yeah, I have a great deal of consumer trust in the brand.

Every car company has recalls and cars do break down with use, almost all cars do. I guess you'll have to look at the percentages to see whether a company makes a good product, but the answer is still yes, otherwise, I wouldn't have bought a Yaris.

PS. I used to own Hondas before. The Yaris is my first Toyota.

[tomato]

I forgot to say. I'm not counting hybrid vehicles. I know next to nothing about hybrid vehicles but IMO, those are in a separate class. The technology is kinda new so we'll have to see in a few years which company comes out on top.

In any event, you were wondering if we thought Toyota is an honorable company so there you have it. Of course, that's the general answer you're gonna get on a Toyota Yaris enthusiast board, you know that right

[Stove]

I'm pretty sure the response to your poll speaks for it self.
"We have discovered a defect that Toyota has been aware of since Nov 2007.". Umm, this TSB was made public by Toyota close to 3 years ago, anybody that has taken a moment to look up TSB's has discovered it. It was posted on this site since at least Oct 2008 (Last time the post was edited). You've been a member here since 2008... I think you can see where I'm going with this.

If you're upset that it isn't covered on cars that are out of warranty, it really is unfortunate. Maybe in the future, you might want to check the Service Bulletins while your car is still under warranty. Don't wait for, or expect, the manufacturer to send you a notice.

While it is easier to blame Toyota, not looking sure isn't going to save you any money. Looking up TSB's takes a lot less effort than to "picket a Toyota dealership", I doubt you'll do either.

On a side note, with the recent activity of an ex-member whose name we shall not speak.... are we being trolled here?

[rslyk]

You are absolutely correct..... It is my fault that Toyota manufactured a defective
car and choses to not own up to it.... I did not bother to do anything other than
trust Toyota. My mistake, it won't happen again. I think you are missing the point....Why are you not championing an effort to let all Yaris owners know that if your vin is #xxxxxxxxx75126293 and below this problem sooner or later will bite you. You claim to be an all knowing Yaris owner who just happens to have a car that this defect does not apply. I'll bet that if you witness a rape.... if it is not YOUR daughter....she must have had it coming. I have experienced this kind of appathy and denial too many times in the past....when Ford told me that the misterious unintended accelleration of my Ford LTD didn't exsist... a recall followed ....when two different sets of my Firestone tires delaminated, one causing a roll over, they said it had never happened to anyone else before....a recall followed.... When a Force outboard motor broke off and jumped up into the boat with us, Brunswick said that was impossible...a recall followed...When my neighbors Toyota accelerated out of control.....Toyta claimed it was his fault... a recall has followed....what is the common thread ?.....in each case the manufacturer refused to acknowledge a defect untill the liability was to big to deny and the cost of ignoring it rose to a value greater than sending out a TSB and hoping the clock runs out. This defect will not kill anyone but is a unresolved defect none the less...When this failure happens, Toyota will sell $1000 worth of parts each time it occurs. I am really glad that YOUR Toyota is not affected....You are right the Poll says it all.

[Billiam]

Like it or not...recalls are issued concerning safety issues. TSBs are issued for issues that may effect some vehicles, but not all and are rarely safety related. All vehicles, by all manufacturers have TSBs.

[Stove]

Originally Posted by rslyk

I'll bet that if you witness a rape.... if it is not YOUR daughter....she must have had it coming. I have experienced this kind of appathy and denial too many times in the past....

This supports your argument how? If you want to discuss how and when people might report a crime, I would suggest the "Off-Topic" section of this forum.

I was looking for the Ford recall and I can't find a recall notice for any year of the Ford LTD regarding unintended acceleration, what year was your LTD?

My Yaris isn't my first car, it isn't even my 10th. I've had cars that had recalls issued against them and a few Service Bulletins as well. My current car will probably have a few Service Bulletins issued against it within the next year or two and I'll watch for them. It has already had one recall. It's over a vehicle capacity sticker, a B.S. recall in my opinion but it's still a recall. I don't assume it's everyone else's responsibility to keep me informed about things I own, nor do I wait until my warranty is up to "discover" the things I should have had serviced.

Recall does not equal Service Bulletin, you aren't going to see a recall on your current issue.

[rslyk]

Stove...The Ford recall was on the cruise control that would for no reason
go to wide open throtle....it was in the mid 80's and was phantom problem
that took Ford years to live up to...I believe it was finally linked to a ground
path problem....

[127.0.0.1]

Originally Posted by rslyk

Stove...The Ford recall was on the cruise control that would for no reason
go to wide open throtle....it was in the mid 80's and was phantom problem
that took Ford years to live up to...I believe it was finally linked to a ground
path problem....

you sure this is not the multi-million vehicle recall where fords caught fire because the cruise control brake switch was in the brake fluid and vehicle would catch fire overnight in the garage ?

or any of the other of millions of recalls by 'name ANY auto manufacturer here' ?


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to rslyk

yeah it sucks to have a problem with a car, but the way you're talking about it, the way you are doing, and bringing up completely irrelevant comparisons, is only making you look foolish here...

Toyota is a corporation, and the goal is to 'make money for stockholders'. Period. To achieve that goal, they strive to design reliable and stylish automobiles (and other heavy machinery and products) for various price points. Failures detract from that goal. Mistakes can and will happen and Toyota tries to correct them. Your expectations as stated are unreasonable and quite silly, and don't 'float' in the real world.

sh*t happens, deal with it.

[thebarber]

man, you and your friends have bad luck w/ cars!

im not saying toyota is without fault, my 04 matrix xrs has plenty of problems with it.

instead of a rogue engine code, why not go after toyota's shitty paint that chips if you look at it funny. or how the 1zzfe transmission suck and usually wear out by 150000kms. or how the 2zz 6spd clutch in 03/04 matrixs prematurely wears out....

you seem to be barking up the wrong tree with your crusade on this site, it seems.

good luck rslyk, you're going to need it.

[rslyk]

Originally Posted by thebarber

man, you and your friends have bad luck w/ cars!

im not saying toyota is without fault, my 04 matrix xrs has plenty of problems with it.

instead of a rogue engine code, why not go after toyota's shitty paint that chips if you look at it funny. or how the 1zzfe transmission suck and usually wear out by 150000kms. or how the 2zz 6spd clutch in 03/04 matrixs prematurely wears out....

you seem to be barking up the wrong tree with your crusade on this site, it seems.

good luck rslyk, you're going to need it.

The barber.....I certainly agree with you it is an uphill climb.....but if one Yaris owner
with this defect can avoid a $1000 parts purchase it worth the abuse....I see by
your profile you own an 07 hatch back..down load Tsb #eg048-07 ....if it applies to
your car spend the $25 on parts before it fails....

[thebarber]

Originally Posted by rslyk

The barber.....I certainly agree with you it is an uphill climb.....but if one Yaris owner
with this defect can avoid a $1000 parts purchase it worth the abuse....I see by
your profile you own an 07 hatch back..down load Tsb #eg048-07 ....if it applies to
your car spend the $25 on parts before it fails....

if it fails, so be it. likely be exasperated by the supercharger im puting on.

if it dies and i cant get warranty to replace it, ill buy a used 1nzfe and put it in myself, or try my hand at installing a 2zrfe...any tsb's on that engine?

[rslyk]

Originally Posted by thebarber

if it fails, so be it. likely be exasperated by the supercharger im puting on.

if it dies and i cant get warranty to replace it, ill buy a used 1nzfe and put it in myself, or try my hand at installing a 2zrfe...any tsb's on that engine?

Rock on.....I like you style.

[sickpuppy1]

I can see a recall if it is safety related, or will affect a large percentage of vehicles. If it is something that will effect only a small percentage in only certain situations then a recall is not called for. They did not knowingly build them like this, but found out afterward,and corrected as an ongoing build modification,and issued the TSB for the rest,so integrity is intact as I see it. If they knew it and continued to build it like that anyways, that would be another issue.
With your luck in vehicles, I was going to suggest the bus line, but I dont think they have seatbelts and no airbags for sure. But then again, you'd probably get strangled by the belt or a black eye from the bag so......good luck and watch your back,there out to get you!! lol

[rslyk]

Sickpuppy....I don't believe that there has been anywhere I have called for a recall..
my point is that if you own one of these defective vehicles and it has not failed yet..
spend the $25 for the redesigned part and avoid the $1000 purchase of the part it will cause to fail...

[sickpuppy1]

And by the way,THANK YOU MAX !!!!

[tomato]

Stove, ^ you beat me to it.

I was wondering how we got from Toyota to rapes?!!

OP, you know this is an Toyota Yaris enthusiasts' forum, right?

You asked an ethical / highly subjective question "is Toyota honorable?" I think you got your answer in the poll, loud and clear. It's not apathy, it's how we feel!

The rest of your argument is debatable, but don't feel too bad if you're not getting the response you expect from this board. You do know this is an "enthusiasts' board," right?

Now if you had mentioned the paint, I think you might have gotten a completely different response from this board

By the way, everybody takes a deep breath in here , yeah you too, Max