US Yaris to be imported from France ?

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by tk-421

... and that is a bad thing because.....

What will it take to convince the haters that country of manufacture has no discernible change in overall build quality? A couple of people here actually worked in US car plants and can already confirm that most of those squeaking issues are due to bad design. And bad designers can be found all over the world AFAIK...

Instead of blaming the country where the car is being assembled (to spec, no less), blame the people that approved the crappy design in the first place. Remember kids, a door can only fit into a frame in a certain way. Robots assemble a car in exactly the same manner every time no matter which wall they are plugged to.

And, crucially, people who don't do their jobs correctly tend to get fired much more quickly when the boss stops making money.

The beauty of capitalism lies in the fact that you get to put your money where your mouth is. If you don't like something then don't pay for it. If you want a car to be manufactured in the USA then stop buying cars built elsewhere! Just be prepared to pay a premium for the privilege.

Finally, please stop complaining over stuff that is, and has always been, 100% under your control, and just fix it already.

/rant

This man speaks the truth.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Billiam

This man speaks the truth.

Again, see my short post #62 related to your claim. You haven't answered my question.

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Again, see my short post #62 related to your claim. You haven't answered my question.

I don't have an answer for that. I have no idea what quality standards Toyota has set for that car in that market. In the end, it was his opinion that the car wasn't up to par. The Japanese produced Yaris, though obviously well engineered, is not completely without fault. You will find the occasional issue with them...including an interior noise or two and cheap feeling components. If a guy from Nebraska posts up about is "cheap, junky Yaris" he'll be in the minority around here, right? One person's opinion do not torpedo the whole line, correct? Well, what about one guy posting up about his French built Yaris' cheapness?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Billiam

I don't have an answer for that. I have no idea what quality standards Toyota has set for that car in that market. In the end, it was his opinion that the car wasn't up to par. The Japanese produced Yaris, though obviously well engineered, is not completely without fault. You will find the occasional issue with them...including an interior noise or two and cheap feeling components. If a guy from Nebraska posts up about is "cheap, junky Yaris" he'll be in the minority around here, right? One person's opinion do not torpedo the whole line, correct? Well, what about one guy posting up about his French built Yaris' cheapness?

Hmm...A few of us stated that we had doubts that the quality of a French built Yaris would match that of a Yaris built in Japan for the U.S. market. You informed us that what mattered was the engineering plus other processes that Toyota has in place to the point that it wouldn't matter where the car was assembled, that the quality would be the same. Now you are saying that you have no idea what quality standards Toyota has set up for that market. I believe you when you state that you don't know what quality standards Toyota has set up for that market, but not knowing that invalidates your criticism of those of us who doubt the quality of the French built Yaris when compared to the U.S. spec built Yaris. This invalidates the particular reasoning for the particular argument you made because,for all either of us knows, the standards Toyota has in place in France might not meet those in place in Japan.

I think that if MRPJ only stated 'It just feels cheap' or 'it is cheap' that his post would lack validity. However, IMHO, he gives a fairly detailed explanation as to WHY he feels the way he does and I feel that adds validity. I think his explanation is detailed enough that it prompts more questions, including one begged by your last post (Are the materials the same for both markets? Are the quality standards the same for both markets Etc.)

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Hmm...A few of us stated that we had doubts that the quality of a French built Yaris would match that of a Yaris built in Japan for the U.S. market. You informed us that what mattered was the engineering plus other processes that Toyota has in place to the point that it wouldn't matter where the car was assembled, that the quality would be the same. Now you are saying that you have no idea what quality standards Toyota has set up for that market. I believe you when you state that you don't know what quality standards Toyota has set up for that market, but not knowing that invalidates your criticism of those of us who doubt the quality of the French built Yaris when compared to the U.S. spec built Yaris. This invalidates the particular reasoning for the particular argument you made because,for all either of us knows, the standards Toyota has in place in France might not meet those in place in Japan.

I think that if MRPJ only stated 'It just feels cheap' or 'it is cheap' that his post would lack validity. However, IMHO, he gives a fairly detailed explanation as to WHY he feels the way he does and I feel that adds validity. I think his explanation is detailed enough that it prompts more questions, including one begged by your last post (Are the materials the same for both markets? Are the quality standards the same for both markets Etc.)

From a previous post.

Originally Posted by Billiam

.....That said...whatever quality/tolerance targets Toyota has set for the N.A. Yaris will be dublicated for the French produced N.A. bound version....rest assured.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Billiam

From a previous post.

I originally thought you were blatantly contradicting yourself with post #18 (which you referenced in post #85) and post #78. I then realized that although you are technically not contradicting yourself, the result of your statements isn't logical. In post # 18 you state 'rest assured' that the quality standards for the N.A. bound Yaris built in France will be the same as the current model (N.A. bound Yaris built in Japan). Then in post #78 you state that you have no idea what the quality standards are for that car for that market (that car and market being MRPJ's French built Yaris for the British market). Why would Toyota build a Yaris in a French plant for the British market with one set of quality standards and a Yaris in a French plant for the N.A. market with a different set of quality standards. It doesn't make any sense. It isn't logical. So, for all practical purposes you were contradicting yourself with posts #18 and #78. Also you state 'rest assured'-----can you provide any links that show that Toyota has stated this is the case?

Also, what is Toyota's history re such matters and how did customers feel and react . For example, did Toyota assure that the first U.S. built Camry would have the same production standards and quality as the previous Japan built model and what result ensued? How did the change effect the customer experience?

Although you admitted in a previous post that you didn't have an answer to my question from post #62, I think you actually posted a plausible answer to my question in a reply to someone else on this thread and I'll quote that post in the compliment on my next post.