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03-24-2011, 02:15 PM | #55 | |
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Much like computers for spell check, GCI for action movies or autotune for music, ABS, ESC etc can be helpful tools, but when relied upon too much....it's disaster. The problem isn't with the electronic aids, it's with people who rely on them too much. As always, good information is the best tool. |
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03-24-2011, 04:58 PM | #56 | |
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At the time, my tires were NOT locked up and screeching and sliding; they were, however, still turning and "singing". Yet, the ABS kicked in (I felt the buzzing in the brake pedal) and the car suddenly felt like it was actually accelerating and the front end came up. If you ride motorcycles, you learn that you don't just grab a handful of brakes. Hard braking requires you to gradually but very quickly build pressure. The same applies for cars. Yes, if you all you know how to do is stomp on the brakes, you will lock up your wheels and ABS is for you. But if you gradually (but quickly) build pressure, weight transfer to the front will increase your front tire traction and you will stop faster than an ABS equipped car on a dry clean surface. And this takes practice, practice, practice. I think you're missing PK198105's point: if you approach driving the way you should be, you shouldn't find yourself in "an emergency". And in the event you get sucked into an emergency, practicing proper driving technique makes avoidance almost second-nature. As others have said, all these nanny tools have made it too easy for people to become lazy and not think about what they are doing and have become a hindrance to people who actually enjoy driving well... |
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03-24-2011, 06:13 PM | #57 | |
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03-24-2011, 06:26 PM | #58 | |
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Again, ABS is an excellent safety feature for the vast majority of drivers. In emergency situations, it can and will slow down vehicles in some conditions such as wet or icy roads. In a panic stop, it allows the driver to stomp on the brakes and concentrate on steering the vehicle. That said, it has its downsides. It is costly to repair, and those in northern climates that use salt on icy roads seem to be more susceptible to it having issues. It can also cause an over-reliance on the system, with some drivers driving more aggressively in anticipation that it will save them in every situation. That is simply not the case. For the majority, it is a good feature to have. Some of us can live without it, but that doesn't mean it's not a useful thing to have on your car. I wouldn't specifically not buy a car if it had it, but I will also not not buy one because it doesn't. It just happens that two of my vehicles (my Yaris and my Jeep) don't have it. Actually, if I had to make a choice I would much rather not have it on the Jeep, as offroad it is less desirable than it is on. Cheers! M2
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03-24-2011, 06:54 PM | #59 |
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03-24-2011, 07:28 PM | #60 |
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In the early days of mandated seat belts, the common mantra from the ignorant was "I know how to drive, why do I need seat belts"?
Some always fail to factor in other drivers etc. Some things never change. I maintain that if you really do know how to drive, your ABS will never kick in during daily driving even on snow In a sudden, emergency situation, who honestly uses a high degree of finesse on the brake pedel? |
03-25-2011, 07:32 AM | #61 | |
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Cars dont need it certainly. ABS is just an insane mindset forstered off on us by manufacturers, statasticians, and the government. And they arent stopping at ABS either. These morons believe they can make cars that avoid accidents all by themselves. They are completely out of their minds and no one can stop them unless no body buts their shit. |
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03-25-2011, 07:56 AM | #62 |
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Don't blame the automobile manufacturers, blame the lousy drivers that think they can do everything (eat, talk on the phone, etc) instead of actually driving! They are the ones causing the development of all of this safety equipment.
By the way, as always noted on Top Gear, if you want to see what safety features cars will have in ten years' time, look towards the Mercedes S class. It has a history of being the first to have devices that will ultimately end up on all cars, such as crumple zones, three-point seatbelts, pre-accident seatbelt pretensioners, collapsible steering column, strengthened occupant cells, ABS, driver's airbag supplemental restraint system, and a preemptive safety system. It is considered one of the safest cars on the road! Cheers! M2
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Of course, if the ABS comes on when it shouldn't like another poster said, that's a problem as well. |
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03-25-2011, 11:02 AM | #64 | |
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I was a new rider then so admittedly I was still figuring things out, but I still find there are times ABS would be nice ... and I could definitely see it more for the bigger bikes as it seems to me like you can feel it faster and make you corrections much more quickly on a lighter more responsive bike. |
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03-25-2011, 11:27 AM | #65 | |
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Sure there are things that one can't really anticipate or avoid easily, and we're all human and prone to make a mistake here and there. I will say one thing though, I don't know if finesse is the right word, but I do prefer to focus on all of the details, brake, gas, clutch steering, etc ... in emergency situations as it traditionally calms me and focuses my attention on what needs to be done. Having said that though, you'll never hear me complain that my Yaris has ABS because I've really only activated it being purposefully sloppy out of curiosity. Though that doesn't mean it could never happen in an emergency situation |
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