Japanese products

[kimona]

Originally Posted by Pars

Perhaps relying too heavily on the Japanese mine-set will be a disadvantage. Granted, the Japanese have the right attitude, we all should take pride in our work, but in N.A, there's a diverse talent pool with people who are more intuitive rather then analytical. It's just a matter of time before the world wins out against one country (in the automotive arena).

Certainly the Japanese are masters at "reinventing the wheel" and then perfecting it. But, contrary to Western thought, this requires not only analytical minds but highly creative ones as well.

Intuition by definition is non-logical and cannot support a manufacturing base (and culture) indefinitely. As America continues to struggle with integrating these principles in industry and into our QA/QC programmes, Japan watches in disbelief... and we all witness the disintegration of American industry (and society)... and we continue to make excuses and blame others with verbose rhetoric.

In the "automotive arena", it's already abundantly clear that Japan is winning the race, and America hasn't got a hope in hell of ever catching up.

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by kimona54

Certainly the Japanese are masters at "reinventing the wheel" and then perfecting it. But, contrary to Western thought, this requires not only analytical minds but highly creative ones as well.

Intuition by definition is non-logical and cannot support a manufacturing base (and culture) indefinitely. As America continues to struggle with integrating these principles in industry and into our QA/QC programmes, Japan watches in disbelief... and we all witness the disintegration of American industry (and society)... and we continue to make excuses and blame others with verbose rhetoric.

In the "automotive arena", it's already abundantly clear that Japan is winning the race, and America hasn't got a hope in hell of ever catching up.

Beautifully put.... and very true.... I truely believe GM and Ford are one day going to be thought of the same way we think of AMC's, Overland's and so on

[voodoo22]

If you ever have the chance, go to Japan.

It can be, but doesn't have to be expensive. It is an amazing society with higher standards than anywhere I have ever been.

Go to Japan and see what it's like. You'll be surprised at the high standards demanded across the board.

Japanese do not accept poor quality and service and that's the only reason the Japanese companies have higher standards. It has nothing to do with Japanese being smarter, but it has everything to do with the fact that if you do not offer a product which gives the consumer quality for the money, you will not make a profit.

One of the most surprising things about Japan is there is no such thing as a tip. You are expected to do your job well. It's not like Toronto where you get crap service, ok products and are still expected to give a 15% tip.

Japan isn't some Utopia, but it is definitely a very unique and high quality society, especially for men.

[Pars]

Originally Posted by kimona54

Certainly the Japanese are masters at "reinventing the wheel" and then perfecting it. But, contrary to Western thought, this requires not only analytical minds but highly creative ones as well.

Intuition by definition is non-logical and cannot support a manufacturing base (and culture) indefinitely. As America continues to struggle with integrating these principles in industry and into our QA/QC programmes, Japan watches in disbelief... and we all witness the disintegration of American industry (and society)... and we continue to make excuses and blame others with verbose rhetoric.

In the "automotive arena", it's already abundantly clear that Japan is winning the race, and America hasn't got a hope in hell of ever catching up.

From personal experience, the Japanese stuff do tend to be better. Well, I'm on my third pair of Maui Jim sunglasses, but that's because of neglect after owning them for a few years, not bad workmanship.

The Japanese do seem to be a passionate bunch, I'll give them that. Not like us lie-about Indie/South American. Granted, we do tend to do well in middle of the jungle among all the chaos. (that's a discussion more suited for the bookworms and the philosophers, I don't have any patient for it)

Japanese Anime & Kill Bill are my most favorite thing on the DVP players and then there's my Yaris. I guess I shouldn't bite the hand that feeds me

As for winning the automotive race, I'd buy American, if they came up with the right formula (fuel efficiency + hauling capability + sporty drive) in an attractive package. I wouldn't hold workmanship or perceived quality against them. 5 years ago, I might have, but not anymore.

[kimona]

Originally Posted by Pars

As for winning the automotive race, I'd buy American, if they came up with the right formula (fuel efficiency + hauling capability + sporty drive) in an attractive package. I wouldn't hold workmanship or perceived quality against them. 5 years ago, I might have, but not anymore.

This makes no sense whatsoever!

This is precisely the reason the American automotive industry has lost the race: poor workmanship and the mere perception of quality! And, yes, we need to "hold (this) against them."

[steved]

Originally Posted by kimona54

This makes no sense whatsoever!

This is precisely the reason the American automotive industry has lost the race: poor workmanship and the mere perception of quality! And, yes, we need to "hold (this) against them."

Exactly, the American automotive industry wants one thing, "MONEY". From the Corporation head, the Unions, and the workers who want more money to do less work.

And it is also North American peoples fault also, we want everything for nothing.
Because of that attitude look what we get, poor workmanship and poor quality cars and most things in general. This is also the reason why everything is being sent overseas. Imagine how great North America would be if we were more like the Japanese.

Me personally I have this attitude. "Pay now, or pay later".

I would rather pay more for a better quality car then buy a cheaper quality car and pay for all the repairs and extra fuel costs later on, which in the long run is becomes more expensive then buying the better quality car in the first place.

[kimona]

Originally Posted by steved

I would rather pay more for a better quality car then buy a cheaper quality car and pay for all the repairs and extra fuel costs later on, which in the long run is becomes more expensive then buying the better quality car in the first place.

Yes. Oui, mon ami.

Not to mention freedom from headaches and aggravation of driving that piece of shit throughout the course of ownership... and then to finally have to deal with the terrible trade-in/resale value.

[jdium]

Originally Posted by steved

Exactly, the American automotive industry wants one thing, "MONEY". From the Corporation head, the Unions, and the workers who want more money to do less work.

And it is also North American peoples fault also, we want everything for nothing.

??????

You saying you don't want money? You don't want more money for less work? I'm pretty sure the Japanese public would ALL love to get more money for less time working, as well as cheaper prices. I agree with a good portion of this thread, but this makes no sense...

Originally Posted by Pavel Olavich

The US Government is selling us all out. Who is there for the working man? The professional guy? Nobody....greedy corporations would rather take our jobs and send them off shore....it's capitalism gone awry...they forgot about us "family" members....mom and dad give the job's in their store to outsiders, and their kids go wanting....but hey, nothing personal, right? Just business. :-(

I'm all for open economies, free trade and all that, but within limits, within a time frame....

As for this, it sounds hypocritical to me. Greedy corporations are out for one thing, profit. That is not capitalism gone awry, that is capitalism at it's most pure. Get your product produced for the cheapest price, and your profit increases. Corporations have the responsibility to share holders or owners, not to "family" members...

If you are for open economies, get used to the outsourcing. It is a fact. Until North Americans can provide the same products/service for nearly the same price, outsourcing is going to happen. Capitalism has a great way of sorting the winners from the losers if given the chance...

[Pavel Olavich]

Originally Posted by jdium

??????

You saying you don't want money? You don't want more money for less work? I'm pretty sure the Japanese public would ALL love to get more money for less time working, as well as cheaper prices. I agree with a good portion of this thread, but this makes no sense...



As for this, it sounds hypocritical to me. Greedy corporations are out for one thing, profit. That is not capitalism gone awry, that is capitalism at it's most pure. Get your product produced for the cheapest price, and your profit increases. Corporations have the responsibility to share holders or owners, not to "family" members...

If you are for open economies, get used to the outsourcing. It is a fact. Until North Americans can provide the same products/service for nearly the same price, outsourcing is going to happen. Capitalism has a great way of sorting the winners from the losers if given the chance...

Your ignorance is astounding.

There is Capitalism. Then there is wreckless Capitalism. Sorry you do not know the difference.

You have the dillusion that capitalism is all good.

You sadly don't seem to understand that Capitalism must be tempered with what is good for the country as a whole, otherwise it is no worse for the people then socialism, or communism.

You forget that most of the world's standard of living is 1/10 of ours, so if our company's off shore our work to them, guess what is going to happe to us?

OUR STANDARD OF LIVING GOES DOWN, DOWN, DOWN...

so easy for you to spew dillusion when you have a good job.....but what will you say when your industries off shores enmasse to another country?

You will, not might, YOU WILL agree with me if and when that happens.

And to further show your ignorance, you seem to think that it is okay for a company to move production to the lowest bidder, in order to make more $$.. It's not that simple, nor easy.

Better for a company to put quality as number 1....in the long run this will guarentee the highest profits...

You think too much about short term gains...think long, long term...

[Pavel Olavich]

Originally Posted by Pars

I wouldn't hold workmanship or perceived quality against them. 5 years ago, I might have, but not anymore.

Sorry you digressed. Hope you get back on track. It is your very type that the American company's are hoping to find in big numbers, in order to sell shit quality cars.

You need to wake up to the reality that QUALITY sells better then anything.

Everytime I buy Japanese, it is my way of giving American companies the middle finger...F--- them! Why should I buy their BS products?

A true patriot makes high quality products, so then who are the traitors to America? Ford. GM. Chrysler.