Max Speed in Each Gear for 5 speed man. Yaris with no tach??

[grampi]

Originally Posted by PaidTimeOff

Well, you clearly don't NEED a tach, as people have been driving manual transmission vehicles without tachs for decades. Hell, even the manual 1997 Ford Escort I drive for work doesn't have a tach and it's still going strong after more than a decade of use. You may WANT a tach so you can see your revs, but it's definitely not required to effectively drive a manual transmission car.

You're not doing much to help me make my argument. I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual, but isn't having one nice? It isn't asking that much for Toyota to quit being so damn cheap and just include one in the base Yaris. They're already selling these cars for a much higher price than they should be. It isn't like Toyota isn't going to make a profit on these cars if the included a tach.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by grampi

You're not doing much to help me make my argument. I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual, but isn't having one nice? It isn't asking that much for Toyota to quit being so damn cheap and just include one in the base Yaris. They're already selling these cars for a much higher price than they should be. It isn't like Toyota isn't going to make a profit on these cars if the included a tach.

It's "nice" to have leather seats, 300 HP, AWD, a power moon-roof, etc.

Right?

But I think the base Yaris's equipment level is FINE for its price level.

Get one of the higher trim levels if you want a tach.

Or buy a tach and install it.

[PaidTimeOff]

Originally Posted by grampi

You're not doing much to help me make my argument. I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual, but isn't having one nice? It isn't asking that much for Toyota to quit being so damn cheap and just include one in the base Yaris. They're already selling these cars for a much higher price than they should be. It isn't like Toyota isn't going to make a profit on these cars if the included a tach.

If to you it's too much money for what you get, then don't buy it. Toyota cut a few bucks off their production costs by not including the tach in lower models. The lack of a tachometer also motivates buyers to upgrade to the higher level lb if they really want it. Sounds like good business to me.

[grampi]

Originally Posted by PaidTimeOff

If to you it's too much money for what you get, then don't buy it. Toyota cut a few bucks off their production costs by not including the tach in lower models. The lack of a tachometer also motivates buyers to upgrade to the higher level lb if they really want it. Sounds like good business to me.

You shouldn't have to buy the most expensive trim level just to get a tach. At the very least, it should be available as a stand alone option.

[PaidTimeOff]

Originally Posted by grampi

You shouldn't have to buy the most expensive trim level just to get a tach. At the very least, it should be available as a stand alone option.

But you see how it's a good business decision on Toyota's part, correct? You think you shouldn't have to buy the highest trim for the tach. I think my lowest priced Playstation 3 should have a memory stick slot, which they offer on the higher model. They could easily just add it on since they offer it on the top model, but I bought the "base" model and was well aware that the slot would not be included and was not an option, just as you were aware they didn't offer the tach on the sub-S models. I can add the slot later using a USB adapter, just as you are able to add an aftermarket tach to the Yaris after purchase.

Not including the tach on the lower models entices buyers to upgrade to the S model. I already wanted the S model, but once I heard the S model of the liftback was the only one that had the tach, I was sold. This is not a bait and switch, certain models only offer certain options. I'm sure there are plenty of people that wanted S-style seats in their base Yarises, but that's not an option. It's only available in the S model.

You know what they offered, they don't hold a gun to your head telling you you need to buy the S. They tell you what you can get, then leave the decision up to you.

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by grampi

You're not doing much to help me make my argument. I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual, but isn't having one nice? It isn't asking that much for Toyota to quit being so damn cheap and just include one in the base Yaris. They're already selling these cars for a much higher price than they should be. It isn't like Toyota isn't going to make a profit on these cars if the included a tach.

I've been through this argument with many others. I'll go over it with you.

Toyota didn't include a tach, to provide a super cheap ass Yaris. Want a tach? Get a S model. Still don't like it? Get a Fit.

Earlier you had stated that you NEED a tach for a manual transmission, but now you're saying,

=grampi]I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual,

Its bad enough Toyota isn't making much on these cars anyways. Toyota obviously doesn't care about the Yaris, as they do the other models. There's nearly no Yaris commercials anymore.

[grampi]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

I've been through this argument with many others. I'll go over it with you.

Toyota didn't include a tach, to provide a super cheap ass Yaris. Want a tach? Get a S model. Still don't like it? Get a Fit.

Earlier you had stated that you NEED a tach for a manual transmission, but now you're saying,



Its bad enough Toyota isn't making much on these cars anyways. Toyota obviously doesn't care about the Yaris, as they do the other models. There's nearly no Yaris commercials anymore.

I'm not buying that Toyota isn't making much money on the Yaris. It can't cost Toyota much more than $8K to put a Yaris on the Dealer's lot, and yet Toyota can't keep them on the lots at $12-$17K. They don't advetise them because they don't have to. You also can't get any buyer's incentives on them, again because they sell themselves.