GM Govt. Bailout? - Page 4 - Toyota Yaris Forums

Shroomster · 11-17-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jclo3313

Gene,
What is the third letter in your name?

????

GeneW · 11-17-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jclo3313

Gene,
What is the third letter in your name?

You can count. Right?

Gene

Bob_VT · 11-17-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

I call

ford Europe has a higher (yup!) labour cost, and they keep up very well with the European and Japanese "small fuel efficient" markets. They just choose not to import the smaller cars and their technology here.... Look at the Ford Focus diesel that just came out - Ford won't import it because "Americans view diesel as a dirty fuel"

Ford had a diesel Escort here in the USA (one upon a time!) and it was a failure.....

steved · 11-17-2008, 02:27 PM

I would give the bailout money to them only if they used it to make new technology, such as hybrid cars and selling them at the same price of current non-hybrid cars, and push to create all electric cars.

Governments should abolish the Unions. This way non-working paid employees in the job banks can be fired, cut the salaries of the way over paid employees. All the heads and management should get a massive pay cuts, no more bonuses. In other words cut out all the fat.

SailDesign · 11-17-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Ford had a diesel Escort here in the USA (one upon a time!) and it was a failure.....

Waaaay back then, I'm sure it was. No-one cared much abouyt saving fuel over here. And to be honest the US Escort bodies were frikkin' HIDEOUS compared to the UK versions.

jkuchta · 11-17-2008, 03:04 PM

Anyone who says a diesel car is slow hasen't been in one in the last 5 years. I rented a 307 hatch last time I was in Europe (2004), and didn't know it was a diesel till I had to fill it up. The thing was quick, accelerated really well, had tones of torque, and didn't sound like a diesel. If I could buy a diesel Yaris (or even the focus) I'd have one right now!

PetersRedYaris · 11-17-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

I call

ford Europe has a higher (yup!) labour cost, and they keep up very well with the European and Japanese "small fuel efficient" markets. They just choose not to import the smaller cars and their technology here.... Look at the Ford Focus diesel that just came out - Ford won't import it because "Americans view diesel as a dirty fuel"

Actually, their main reason is production cost. The diesel engine is built in England where labor costs are very high. They claim if they were to sell the car in the US it would be priced over $25,000 (more than a Prius). And if they built a plant in Mexico to build the engine there (where our Fiesta's will be built) they would have to sell 350,000 engines/year to cover the cost which they claim isn't realistic. I claim BS on that... No wonder Ford is going down with the other big 2, stupid decisions one after the other.

Heres the article- http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...ell-in-us.aspx

TLyttle · 11-17-2008, 10:05 PM

Abolish the unions? Sure, go right ahead, put labour back 130 years, back to 14-hour work days (6 1/2 of 'em), your house is owned by the Company, and you buy your meagre groceries at the Company store, hell of a fine idea! Andrew Carnegie lives! He made so much money off the worker he had to put together a corporation to get rid of it. I'm all for that, alright...

If Management was fair, there would be no reason for unions.

BTW, just heard on the news: a long-term employee of GM said that, 25 years ago, there was one supervisor for every 120 workers, now it is one supervisor for every 18 workers. Gee, could that be the problem???

Bob_VT · 11-17-2008, 10:35 PM

Listened to a talk show on NPR and it was an interview with the UAW President...... according to him .......... GM Ford and Chrysler are all pointing at the UAW for the high prices...... the UAW has the view that they have been saving the economy....... I nearly ran off the road while laughing. The UAW said that the big 3 are "owed" the bailout money!

This..... he said...... they said...... she said ........ is all BS

SailDesign · 11-18-2008, 06:53 AM

Doesn't really matter WHOSE fault it is (this is called "BlameStorming", IIRC), the thing is that they do not deserve the bailout. Period.

bobby · 11-18-2008, 08:11 AM

American cars are HORRIBLE. I would be embarrassed to be seen driving one. Ugh!

CKaelin · 11-18-2008, 12:16 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/bu...rescue.html?hp

They're hearing us!

SailDesign · 11-18-2008, 06:41 PM

Quote of the day from the Senate hearings:

"Survival of the auto companies is imperative for America to remain the global leader in innovation," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. "We should not drop out of the race before we have a chance to compete."

Hah! Where TF has HE been hiding these last 20 years or so? There is no innovation in Detroit at present, and the US auto industry has been "competing" longer than any other country.

Bob_VT · 11-18-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bobby

American cars are HORRIBLE. I would be embarrassed to be seen driving one. Ugh!

Remember that when you need a policeman in NYC...... they drive American cars...... the ambulances are American too.......

KCALB SIRAY · 11-18-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bobby

American cars are HORRIBLE. I would be embarrassed to be seen driving one. Ugh!

I'd be embarrassesd to be seen with you in an American city. Hey, I hear Canada is giving people a rebate of $1,000 for owning a Fit and living there... go get it

Bob_VT · 11-18-2008, 09:07 PM

Thirty-Nine · 11-18-2008, 09:30 PM

I have nothing against American cars by any means. I KNOW America can build a decent car, but I think old-school thinking and poor management are contributing factors as to the poor choices that the Big Three have made as far as car production goes.

As far as bail out, I'm afraid that not bailing them out will be worse than bailing them out. I lost my job last week, and I was in the auto industry (I worked for a supplier of Ford among other aftermarket parts). If it's bad now, a collapse of the Big Three would (could) be catastrophic.

TinyGiant · 11-18-2008, 10:51 PM

Free Market Economy.. let them be responsible for their own issues.. start making electric cars cheap and get the consumers rushing to the door to buy new cars.. get creative or get out!

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11-17-2008, 02:27 PM	#58
steved Yaris Rules!! Drives: 2007 Red Yaris Liftback a/t Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 201	I would give the bailout money to them only if they used it to make new technology, such as hybrid cars and selling them at the same price of current non-hybrid cars, and push to create all electric cars. Governments should abolish the Unions. This way non-working paid employees in the job banks can be fired, cut the salaries of the way over paid employees. All the heads and management should get a massive pay cuts, no more bonuses. In other words cut out all the fat. __________________ The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho Marx (1890-1977)

11-17-2008, 10:35 PM	#63
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	Listened to a talk show on NPR and it was an interview with the UAW President...... according to him .......... GM Ford and Chrysler are all pointing at the UAW for the high prices...... the UAW has the view that they have been saving the economy....... I nearly ran off the road while laughing. The UAW said that the big 3 are "owed" the bailout money! This..... he said...... they said...... she said ........ is all BS __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

11-18-2008, 08:11 AM	#65
bobby Drives: 2007 Yaris/2009 Phit Sport Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northeast Posts: 159	American cars are HORRIBLE. I would be embarrassed to be seen driving one. Ugh! __________________ Obama 2012 Re-elect the President

11-18-2008, 12:16 PM	#66
CKaelin Drives: 2008 Yaris LB 5 speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 140	http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/bu...rescue.html?hp They're hearing us! __________________ My other ride's a Gixxer!

11-17-2008, 03:04 PM	#60
jkuchta View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris hatch (red) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 557	Anyone who says a diesel car is slow hasen't been in one in the last 5 years. I rented a 307 hatch last time I was in Europe (2004), and didn't know it was a diesel till I had to fill it up. The thing was quick, accelerated really well, had tones of torque, and didn't sound like a diesel. If I could buy a diesel Yaris (or even the focus) I'd have one right now!

11-17-2008, 10:05 PM	#62
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	Abolish the unions? Sure, go right ahead, put labour back 130 years, back to 14-hour work days (6 1/2 of 'em), your house is owned by the Company, and you buy your meagre groceries at the Company store, hell of a fine idea! Andrew Carnegie lives! He made so much money off the worker he had to put together a corporation to get rid of it. I'm all for that, alright... If Management was fair, there would be no reason for unions. BTW, just heard on the news: a long-term employee of GM said that, 25 years ago, there was one supervisor for every 120 workers, now it is one supervisor for every 18 workers. Gee, could that be the problem???

11-18-2008, 06:53 AM	#64
SailDesign Drives: . Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,931	Doesn't really matter WHOSE fault it is (this is called "BlameStorming", IIRC), the thing is that they do not deserve the bailout. Period.

11-18-2008, 06:41 PM	#67
SailDesign Drives: . Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,931	Quote of the day from the Senate hearings: "Survival of the auto companies is imperative for America to remain the global leader in innovation," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. "We should not drop out of the race before we have a chance to compete." Hah! Where TF has HE been hiding these last 20 years or so? There is no innovation in Detroit at present, and the US auto industry has been "competing" longer than any other country.

11-18-2008, 09:07 PM	#70
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	__________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

11-18-2008, 09:30 PM	#71
Thirty-Nine Small cars are a big deal View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,144	I have nothing against American cars by any means. I KNOW America can build a decent car, but I think old-school thinking and poor management are contributing factors as to the poor choices that the Big Three have made as far as car production goes. As far as bail out, I'm afraid that not bailing them out will be worse than bailing them out. I lost my job last week, and I was in the auto industry (I worked for a supplier of Ford among other aftermarket parts). If it's bad now, a collapse of the Big Three would (could) be catastrophic. __________________ Subcompact Culture: The Small car blog

11-18-2008, 10:51 PM	#72
TinyGiant Tiny Giant Clothing View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue Yaris 3D LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 3,394	Free Market Economy.. let them be responsible for their own issues.. start making electric cars cheap and get the consumers rushing to the door to buy new cars.. get creative or get out! __________________ Sold the yaris... rocking an 89 vw cabriolet now :)

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