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junorico24 · 12-21-2008, 11:14 PM

I seen this ride.You still get comfort. And a car that delivers on performance. Everthing you pay for. Sat/nav etc A/C. Deisel or petrol.

GeneW · 12-22-2008, 01:17 AM

I heard that Yugos had a problem with spare parts. Zastva would not supply a sufficient number of them to keep the US fleet going at competitive prices. The Yugo was inexpensive, keeping it on the road was expensive.

I had a classmate who had one of these things...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJTYfAAMBqM

A little irony - the kid was six foot two inches and weighed at least 250 pounds. He looked like a bear. Used to have to wedge himself into the car.

I remember it for the odd stick shift - it sat just below the dashboard.

One time for a joke five guys jammed the car crosswise into two parking spaces. I've been told that someone wants to do that with my Yaris but so far nobody has done it.

Gene

GeneW · 12-22-2008, 01:24 AM

In contrast this what Toyota was selling in 1970... Much superior product to the Honda offering. I have this feeling that this car would NOT survive current US crash tests.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg8NrDS1lkg

The following brings back memories.... pedal pumping, something that nobody does with fuel injection and electronic engine controls...

(I don't know if she's an actress, but she's easy on the eyes...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfFwfbxGE

ALL cars went through this from time to time in the old days, unless you really took good care of them and set the choke well.

Chinese will eventually make a car that will be acceptable in the US. Let's hope that US car makers wake the heck up and start making something that everyone else wants to buy.

Gene

YAR1S · 12-22-2008, 02:10 AM

haha...

tuckevalastin · 12-22-2008, 02:34 AM

BYD F0

Brilliance Auto FRV

Both companies will be at NAIAS in Detroit in January

DFA · 12-22-2008, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAR1S

haha...

Those things are all over the place here in Panama. I've gotten into one of those once (taxi) and have seen a couple of crashed ones in the news.

Not to be an elitist ass, but I'd rather walk.

churp · 12-22-2008, 02:35 PM

Some people drive motorcycles which are fairly dangerous......why make a 4 wheeler that is safer unavailable. Freedom is a mater of choice....not what the rich want you to do! What is available here in the US is driven by who makes the money, not safety.

Zap 3 wheel vehicles which were legal in several states are now getting their registrations revoked ...... apparently someone isn't getting their share of the dough!

GeneW · 12-22-2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by churp

Some people drive motorcycles which are fairly dangerous......why make a 4 wheeler that is safer unavailable. Freedom is a mater of choice....not what the rich want you to do!

Crash standards, bumper standards, side curtain airbags, ESC requirements and ABS requirements all jack up the cost of owning a car. All mandates by the government, not "rich folks".

Probably motorcycles would be banned but they're "grandfathered'. Kind of like how Aspirin and Tylenol are grandfathered... Tylenol and other Acetaminophen products are the leading cause of people requiring liver transplants in the US. Bet it wouldn't be legal if today's "safety" standards were in place when it was introduced.

Heck, does anyone recall the recent wrangling here about the Yaris coming equipped "Standard" with side curtain airbags, ABS and ESC? I opposed it because I wanted to drive what I wanted to drive, not what some Nanny State type wanted me and the rest of us to drive.

Ain't necessarily "rich folks", it's also Nanny State folks who want to protect people from evil profit seeking Corporations. To an extent they've made cars better, but you can go too far with any good thing. Especially incorporating "smart" technology which lacks adequate sensory feedback from the environment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by churp

What is available here in the US is driven by who makes the money, not safety.

Hmmm...... I'll let the results of regulation speak for itself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by churp

Zap 3 wheel vehicles which were legal in several states are now getting their registrations revoked ...... apparently someone isn't getting their share of the dough!

What was the stated reason, Churp? Were they going too slow?

Gene

junorico24 · 12-23-2008, 05:26 AM

Chinese is on the menu. what's on offer? hmmm. Let it marinate for a while. Before digging in.

ddongbap · 12-23-2008, 06:56 AM

Chinese super car, 0-60, 7 sec.

Bella · 12-23-2008, 08:16 AM

Hmm - to all the Aussies here, is it just me or do they just look like rebadged/facelifted Daewoo's? The QQ basically looks like a facelifted Matiz.

If my thoughts are correct, sorry guys but these monstrosities have been on our roads in Australia for years now! =(

The scarier thought is that dealers would try and flog them off cheap here and people will actually be stupid enough to buy them! I would definitely rather walk than be anywhere near one of them on the road. Let alone the lack of safety, they would be just plain unreliable - like any other Daewoo!

Seeing things like that make me appreciate my Yaris even more!

TLyttle · 12-23-2008, 12:45 PM

Requirements for a good car: Reliable. Long lasting. A proper, continent-wide dealer system.

Even if it ain't that reliable, sometimes one can get away with it, if it has the other two. It is the third one that has killed off many, many makes, foreign and otherwise. Dealerships allowed VW to prosper, regardless of the derision in the early days, lack of dealerships took out FIAT, Citroen, Triumph, etc, not to mention AMC.

I suppose the Chinese could conceivably develop a dealer system, but it would need a VERY good product, and I am not convinced.

The earlier remark about the first Toyotas surprises me: the first Toys I saw had design and material flaws, but the workmanship was always outstanding; when I saw the way they were put together, I knew that there was trouble ahead for everybody: the US, the UK, Germany, the lot....

tuckevalastin · 12-23-2008, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bella

Hmm - to all the Aussies here, is it just me or do they just look like rebadged/facelifted Daewoo's? The QQ basically looks like a facelifted Matiz.

If my thoughts are correct, sorry guys but these monstrosities have been on our roads in Australia for years now! =(

The scarier thought is that dealers would try and flog them off cheap here and people will actually be stupid enough to buy them! I would definitely rather walk than be anywhere near one of them on the road. Let alone the lack of safety, they would be just plain unreliable - like any other Daewoo!

Seeing things like that make me appreciate my Yaris even more!

They aren't Daewoo's at all but Chery, the company that makes the QQ, ripoffed GM by copying the Daewoo Matiz. Supposedly they copied it so close that you can interchange the doors between the QQ and the Matiz. Not really any copyright laws governing these Chinese companies so it's common practice for the Chinese companies to completely copy other cars.

PetersRedYaris · 12-23-2008, 09:59 PM

Chinese products are a gamble. I've had Chinese electronics last far longer than Sony or Samsung products, but I've also seen crap I wouldn't touch. Can they make a car? Maybe. Check this out- http://www.tatankainternational.com/...ils.aspx?ID=13

It's actually licensed as an ATV, so maybe we can't put up with the Chinese cars, but if it proves to be reliable, I would buy one.

tuckevalastin · 01-12-2009, 03:05 PM

Some Chinese cars getting press at NAIAS this year

From BYD

the E6 (full electric concept)

the F3DM (Extended Range Electric Vehicle)

bobselectric · 01-12-2009, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneW

The following brings back memories.... pedal pumping, something that nobody does with fuel injection and electronic engine controls...

(I don't know if she's an actress, but she's easy on the eyes...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfFwfbxGE

Gene

Hey Gene,

"Just crap in the carburetor"

"How often do I have to do that?"

tuckevalastin · 01-13-2009, 08:32 PM

Brilliance Automotive was at NAIAS. They pushed back their US entry date but did have a few models to show.

FRV

M2

M3

M1

12-22-2008, 02:34 AM	#23
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	BYD F0 Brilliance Auto FRV Both companies will be at NAIAS in Detroit in January __________________

12-22-2008, 02:35 PM	#25
churp Clean and (dis)Functional View User's Garage Drives: Yaris 2dr--Black Betty Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tropical Minnesota Posts: 562	Some people drive motorcycles which are fairly dangerous......why make a 4 wheeler that is safer unavailable. Freedom is a mater of choice....not what the rich want you to do! What is available here in the US is driven by who makes the money, not safety. Zap 3 wheel vehicles which were legal in several states are now getting their registrations revoked ...... apparently someone isn't getting their share of the dough! __________________ ____________ Old School Cobble Jockey

01-12-2009, 03:05 PM	#33
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	Some Chinese cars getting press at NAIAS this year From BYD the E6 (full electric concept) the F3DM (Extended Range Electric Vehicle) __________________

01-13-2009, 08:32 PM	#35
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	Brilliance Automotive was at NAIAS. They pushed back their US entry date but did have a few models to show. FRV M2 M3 M1 __________________

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12-21-2008, 11:14 PM	#19
junorico24 Drives: toyota yaris yrs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 642	I seen this ride.You still get comfort. And a car that delivers on performance. Everthing you pay for. Sat/nav etc A/C. Deisel or petrol.

12-22-2008, 01:17 AM	#20
GeneW Banned Drives: 2008 Yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,034	I heard that Yugos had a problem with spare parts. Zastva would not supply a sufficient number of them to keep the US fleet going at competitive prices. The Yugo was inexpensive, keeping it on the road was expensive. I had a classmate who had one of these things... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJTYfAAMBqM A little irony - the kid was six foot two inches and weighed at least 250 pounds. He looked like a bear. Used to have to wedge himself into the car. I remember it for the odd stick shift - it sat just below the dashboard. One time for a joke five guys jammed the car crosswise into two parking spaces. I've been told that someone wants to do that with my Yaris but so far nobody has done it. Gene

12-22-2008, 01:24 AM	#21
GeneW Banned Drives: 2008 Yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,034	In contrast this what Toyota was selling in 1970... Much superior product to the Honda offering. I have this feeling that this car would NOT survive current US crash tests. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg8NrDS1lkg The following brings back memories.... pedal pumping, something that nobody does with fuel injection and electronic engine controls... (I don't know if she's an actress, but she's easy on the eyes...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfFwfbxGE ALL cars went through this from time to time in the old days, unless you really took good care of them and set the choke well. Chinese will eventually make a car that will be acceptable in the US. Let's hope that US car makers wake the heck up and start making something that everyone else wants to buy. Gene

12-22-2008, 02:10 AM	#22
YAR1S View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris 3dr LB (Bayou Blue) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,602	haha...

12-23-2008, 05:26 AM	#27
junorico24 Drives: toyota yaris yrs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 642	Chinese is on the menu. what's on offer? hmmm. Let it marinate for a while. Before digging in.

12-23-2008, 06:56 AM	#28
ddongbap Banned Drives: yw calls me douche and racist. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hay Posts: 2,183	Chinese super car, 0-60, 7 sec.

12-23-2008, 08:16 AM	#29
Bella Drives: 06 Yaris YR Hatch Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Albury, Australia Posts: 60	Hmm - to all the Aussies here, is it just me or do they just look like rebadged/facelifted Daewoo's? The QQ basically looks like a facelifted Matiz. If my thoughts are correct, sorry guys but these monstrosities have been on our roads in Australia for years now! =( The scarier thought is that dealers would try and flog them off cheap here and people will actually be stupid enough to buy them! I would definitely rather walk than be anywhere near one of them on the road. Let alone the lack of safety, they would be just plain unreliable - like any other Daewoo! Seeing things like that make me appreciate my Yaris even more!

12-23-2008, 12:45 PM	#30
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	Requirements for a good car: Reliable. Long lasting. A proper, continent-wide dealer system. Even if it ain't that reliable, sometimes one can get away with it, if it has the other two. It is the third one that has killed off many, many makes, foreign and otherwise. Dealerships allowed VW to prosper, regardless of the derision in the early days, lack of dealerships took out FIAT, Citroen, Triumph, etc, not to mention AMC. I suppose the Chinese could conceivably develop a dealer system, but it would need a VERY good product, and I am not convinced. The earlier remark about the first Toyotas surprises me: the first Toys I saw had design and material flaws, but the workmanship was always outstanding; when I saw the way they were put together, I knew that there was trouble ahead for everybody: the US, the UK, Germany, the lot....

12-23-2008, 09:59 PM	#32
PetersRedYaris View User's Garage Drives: 2005 Scion xB Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Black Hills of South Dakota Posts: 1,059	Chinese products are a gamble. I've had Chinese electronics last far longer than Sony or Samsung products, but I've also seen crap I wouldn't touch. Can they make a car? Maybe. Check this out- http://www.tatankainternational.com/...ils.aspx?ID=13 It's actually licensed as an ATV, so maybe we can't put up with the Chinese cars, but if it proves to be reliable, I would buy one.