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Old 02-16-2009, 08:08 PM   #1
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I see what you mean about the CEOs, but some in this world do get certain things in life from knowing successful others. This is often not the case, but some will argue that a certain "C" student got into office as president because of his connections in life.

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If the C average guy you're speaking of is Bush he has a lot of company.

The most educated President in US history was Woodrow Wilson. He held a PhD in Political Science. Only PhD to ever be President. Some people say that Obama is the most educated President in History. This is patent non-sense; many many US Presidents were lawyers. Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton, and quite a few others were lawyers. Ford and Clinton were graduates of Yale Law School. Nixon graduated from Duke University.

Wilson is known for letting the British skunk him into declaring an unpopular and unnecessary war on Germany. We were neutral until about 1916-1917, when US banking interests decided that their seven billion in loans to the British were not going to get repaid if the Brits lost the war. Hence Wilson's Advisors, including a member of the Council of Foreign Relations named Edward House, lobbied him to move towards the British.

Wilson also introduced the Income Tax, central economic planning and a lot of other modern day woes into American life.

Harry S. Truman never went to college. I think he'd do a better job than our current Harvard educated whiz kid.


CEOs do not win popular votes. They obtain a majority of shareholder votes and can be expelled at any time from the position.

CEOs keep their position at the sufferance of shareholders. Their most bitter enemies are their rivals for power in the office. They must always be on guard from intrigue from VPs and assistants who fancy that they could do a better job if they were given the nod.

The Office is a jungle. If you've never worked in an office let me break it down for you. Everyone wants to keep their rice bowl and gain more power, prestige, turf and influence. They jealously guard their things and authority. There is a pecking order, even in nice places.

The higher up you go, the more power and juice you got and the harder you fall when you fall from favor. You grow empires by hiring more people, poaching staff from other departments and hoarding resources for yourself. You score points at meetings, humiliating and downgrading others. It's how things go with people - in government it's almost the same way.

This is how it is at the bottom of the power pyramid. As you go up in rank the stakes and the consequences also grow bigger.

When you get to the top you have no friends. You are alone. You are in the dark in many ways, because people have an agenda for keeping you in the dark. You can punish them so they will never be completely frank with you. You can get other people punished so anyone under them will not be frank with you either. Nobody wants to say that the Emperor has no clothes.

This is the world of the CEO. Powerful. Alone. At the top. Able to read between the lines and judge which is said and not said but should be said.

Few people can manage up there. You have to be people smart, book smart and have a lot of confidence in yourself.

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Old 02-16-2009, 08:29 PM   #2
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If the C average guy you're speaking of is Bush he has a lot of company.

The most educated President in US history was Woodrow Wilson. He held a PhD in Political Science. Only PhD to ever be President. Some people say that Obama is the most educated President in History. This is patent non-sense; many many US Presidents were lawyers. Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton, and quite a few others were lawyers. Ford and Clinton were graduates of Yale Law School. Nixon graduated from Duke University.

Wilson is known for letting the British skunk him into declaring an unpopular and unnecessary war on Germany. We were neutral until about 1916-1917, when US banking interests decided that their seven billion in loans to the British were not going to get repaid if the Brits lost the war. Hence Wilson's Advisors, including a member of the Council of Foreign Relations named Edward House, lobbied him to move towards the British.

Wilson also introduced the Income Tax, central economic planning and a lot of other modern day woes into American life.

Harry S. Truman never went to college. I think he'd do a better job than our current Harvard educated whiz kid.


CEOs do not win popular votes. They obtain a majority of shareholder votes and can be expelled at any time from the position.

CEOs keep their position at the sufferance of shareholders. Their most bitter enemies are their rivals for power in the office. They must always be on guard from intrigue from VPs and assistants who fancy that they could do a better job if they were given the nod.

The Office is a jungle. If you've never worked in an office let me break it down for you. Everyone wants to keep their rice bowl and gain more power, prestige, turf and influence. They jealously guard their things and authority. There is a pecking order, even in nice places.

The higher up you go, the more power and juice you got and the harder you fall when you fall from favor. You grow empires by hiring more people, poaching staff from other departments and hoarding resources for yourself. You score points at meetings, humiliating and downgrading others. It's how things go with people - in government it's almost the same way.

This is how it is at the bottom of the power pyramid. As you go up in rank the stakes and the consequences also grow bigger.

When you get to the top you have no friends. You are alone. You are in the dark in many ways, because people have an agenda for keeping you in the dark. You can punish them so they will never be completely frank with you. You can get other people punished so anyone under them will not be frank with you either. Nobody wants to say that the Emperor has no clothes.

This is the world of the CEO. Powerful. Alone. At the top. Able to read between the lines and judge which is said and not said but should be said.

Few people can manage up there. You have to be people smart, book smart and have a lot of confidence in yourself.

Gene
A very eye-opening post

Not sure about the whiz kid comment..., but I respect others and their opinions. My honors thesis is actually about psychological perceptions, stereotypes, and President Obama (more in depth than this obviously). I guess my idea of the fathered in CEO, is one of the exception to the rule, or the improbable. Much like the penguin being a bird that cannot fly. Thanks once again for the well-stated presidential history lesson.

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Old 02-16-2009, 10:52 PM   #3
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I guess my idea of the fathered in CEO, is one of the exception to the rule, or the improbable.

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Some families will groom their kids to succeed them in the family business. A late friend of mine did this with his own kids. He set out to teach the kids how to manage people and how to lead them. One became a Navy SEAL - not an easy trick in itself - and the other today runs a retail store.

Most of the time the kid grows up in a home where they do not get the kind of challenges needed to grow confident. Instead they get lazy or feel entitled. They don't grow into a CEO but instead become a spoiled brat who ultimately crashes the family business.

My own family is the latter case. My Exec Grandpa would not let his kid go into industry. He insisted that Dad become a professional. Dad was not groomed to survive in the Corporate jungle. I know more about it then he.

Grandpa was a holy terror, having come up from poverty in a ghetto area of Pittsburgh. He earned his spurs working up through the ranks, which included getting his Law degree on his own dime and time, but not taking the Bar - so he could do tax work. He also wasted a guy on the job who was trying to rob the payroll. Shot him dead and kept the money safe.

Grandpa was an Irish Catholic, a group which faced as much discrimination then as Mexicans do in most of the US today. So when one got to the top he was exceptional.

When Grandpa's "old fashioned" ways caught up to him he engineered a trick that put the company over a barrel. He saw the handwriting on the wall and put most of the physical plant into his name - he financed it.

They had to buy him out after they forced him out, and then he consulted and lived a nice life thereafter. I never had the pleasure of meeting him nor benefited from his moderation of Dad's drinking. My Dad is a good man but a spoiled brat who never quite grew up. My younger brothers like to play the "Inheritance Game" - they pass each other dollars bills and say, "Here's your inheritance".

I already got mine - an education, an attitude and a fine negative example. I won't touch liquor. My Dad can keep his money.

I lived an easy life until I got out on my own. The reality wall hit me pretty hard and I had to scrap a bit. Today I make my own way.

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