Handling vs EG Civic - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

gaffo · 03-07-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by regal

Never liked what my Civic's seats do to my lower back.

It sounds like the Yaris is a platform with potential, thats mainly what I wanted to know before a drop $12k on a new car. My first cars were BMW's and they handle great but the quality and reliability was always a nightmare. I swear in 15 years my civic never stranded my once. But it needs so much work (all new bushings, wheel bearings, clutch, cylinder head) that it is time for a new car.

Germans can't make a reliable car - never could figure out how they got such a good rep.

Dad had two POS Porches - fell apart every two weeks

Buddy's got a VW beetle - total POS, broke all the time.

Seems German cars are no better than the POS british cars of old (like the one I own and fixed every two weeks for 8 long long years).

................

but Italian, French and Brit cars were never known to be reliable - unlike German cars. What's the story there?

BLAZINBLUEVITZ · 03-07-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

and the spaghetti bar!

which one i have both

regal · 03-07-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gaffo

Germans can't make a reliable car - never could figure out how they got such a good rep.

When I was into German cars I had to have 2 daily drivers because I was invariably always working on one of them. My father only drove German cars when I was growing up and I thought it was normal to have to work on your car all the time. After I bought this Honda it was like being on vacation, only things it has needed in 135k miles is belts, waterpump, and an exhaust. Bought the SS exhaust on ebay for $150.

MUSKOKA800 · 03-09-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by regal

I am asking a lot of questions because $12k is a lot of money to spend and when I buy a car I keep it for at least 15 years. Its a big commitment.

After 15 years I have to get a new car. My 93 Civic is lowered with a Koni suspension and 15" alloy wheels. I live in a hilly area with very curvy roads. The civic just cuts thru the turns and handles like a dream. I am the type of driver that will take a car to its limits not in 150 mph straight aways, but I like 40 mph sharp bends. I have been known to go into the ditch with a car that doesn't grip and handle properly. I grew up on BMW's but they have way to many quality issues so I switched to Honda.

Unfortuantely Honda no longer makes a light (2200 lb) 2-door. So I have been studying the Yaris. Lowered a little with Koni springs/shocks I would imagine the Yaris could be a good handling car, or would I be dissapointed coming from a wishbone car?

Sadly, Koni ignores Toyota for some reason.
But...lots of other quality components are readily available.

cleong · 03-09-2009, 01:52 PM

Koni did make shocks for the NCP13 Yaris/Vitz/Echo. Unfortunately that doesn't fit the NCP91 Yaris.

regal · 03-14-2009, 01:12 PM

Well I sold the old Civic for $1500 today, pretty sad time for me. But I have a new Yaris and I am going to put the $1500 toward TRD shocks, Eibach Springs, TRD Rear Sway Bar, and 15" rims that look good on a white car. I have a gut feeling that this will transform the Yaris, right now driving the stock suspension is just uninspiring. The Yaris is such a solid light weight chassis , there has to be some potential. I like a car to handle like a go-cart. This boatiness has to go.

kurokoma-kun · 03-14-2009, 02:59 PM

I think you're on the right track regal. My own car was not stock for long, but I can still remember thinking it was like driving a bathtub full of water

The rear sway bar alone helps a lot imo. Lowering the center of gravity helps handling even more.

What wheels are you thinking of?

regal · 03-15-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kurokoma-kun

What wheels are you thinking of?

Not sure yet, I think it is hard to find wheels that look god on a white car.

largeorangefont · 03-15-2009, 10:50 AM

Get the Tokico struts and save yourself $100.

You are right. It will be like a new car after you get the suspension on it. Don't worry it will probably be better than your Civic.

regal · 03-17-2009, 09:06 AM

I decided to test my new car a little today. The car in stock form seems to handle better the harder you push it. The soft bounciness on a 20 mph sharp turn turns firm when I take the same turn at 45 mph. I think this thing really has potential to out do the EG Civic, if I can only figure out which wheels to start with. Either XB factory 7 spokes or Maxxim Assaults.

SailDesign · 03-17-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by regal

I decided to test my new car a little today. The car in stock form seems to handle better the harder you push it. The soft bounciness on a 20 mph sharp turn turns firm when I take the same turn at 45 mph. I think this thing really has potential to out do the EG Civic, if I can only figure out which wheels to start with. Either XB factory 7 spokes or Maxxim Assaults.

HOW long did it take you to actually try the car out instead of just witching about it?

Sheesh!

regal · 03-17-2009, 10:26 AM

I'm 38 years old and this is my first new car, yes I had a little paranoia about running her off the road. I've had some cars that were downright dangerous at cornering , but this thing is very capable.

SailDesign · 03-17-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by regal

I'm 38 years old and this is my first new car, yes I had a little paranoia about running her off the road. I've had some cars that were downright dangerous at cornering , but this thing is very capable.

Hah! I'm 53 (actually, 54 today!) and this is also my first new car ever. Nice feeling, no?

Now go play some more

CASTREX · 03-17-2009, 01:36 PM

Just a little advise while picking new wheels.

The underpowered 1NZ-FE will greatly benefit from a lightweight wheel.

There are some economical choices within the 11-12lbs weight range on 15 size.

And some nice tire options on 195-55-15

Don't overlook the rubber... if you are looking for that go kart handling, the rubber is really important.

Split · 03-17-2009, 01:44 PM

i think with all the bolt-on rigidity bars, and some coil-overs it would outhandle your civic. Technology has progressed since 1993. Same goes for the Honda Fit.

CASTREX · 03-17-2009, 05:53 PM

^^^
The OP already got himself a brand new Yaris....

mrbond · 03-17-2009, 10:43 PM

Yeah, the Yaris definitely has potential. The Tein Yaris was able to pull a 1.01g skidpad. Granted, it had a shit ton of suspension and frame rigidity modifications, but still.

largeorangefont · 03-18-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mrbond

Yeah, the Yaris definitely has potential. The Tein Yaris was able to pull a 1.01g skidpad. Granted, it had a shit ton of suspension and frame rigidity modifications, but still.

SCC did the same thing with coilovers, wheels, and tires on an otherwise stock sedan.

03-09-2009, 01:52 PM	#23
cleong Parallel Parking Pro View User's Garage Drives: Yaris 1.5 Manual Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 590	Koni did make shocks for the NCP13 Yaris/Vitz/Echo. Unfortunately that doesn't fit the NCP91 Yaris. __________________ Leong's NCP91 Toyota Yaris E Hankook V12 Evo 195/55/15 on Buddy Club P1 replicas 15x7 ET +38 Stebel horns, Philips Silvervision turn indicator bulbs TTE Lowering Springs, Camber bolts TRD Blue brake pads Fujitsubo Super Wagolis axleback exhaust DC Sports header

03-17-2009, 01:44 PM	#33
Split Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edmonton Posts: 393	i think with all the bolt-on rigidity bars, and some coil-overs it would outhandle your civic. Technology has progressed since 1993. Same goes for the Honda Fit. Last edited by Split; 03-18-2009 at 02:44 PM. Reason: missed a few posts while writing mine..

03-17-2009, 10:43 PM	#35
mrbond View User's Garage Drives: 2008 meteorite hatchback Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 960	Yeah, the Yaris definitely has potential. The Tein Yaris was able to pull a 1.01g skidpad. Granted, it had a shit ton of suspension and frame rigidity modifications, but still. __________________ - HOOOEY! That's one tahny little cawr! What the heck kinda toy is that? - A Toyota Yaris - A whut Yaris?

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03-14-2009, 01:12 PM	#24
regal Drives: 09 Yaris 3 Dr White LB Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: PA Posts: 432	Well I sold the old Civic for $1500 today, pretty sad time for me. But I have a new Yaris and I am going to put the $1500 toward TRD shocks, Eibach Springs, TRD Rear Sway Bar, and 15" rims that look good on a white car. I have a gut feeling that this will transform the Yaris, right now driving the stock suspension is just uninspiring. The Yaris is such a solid light weight chassis , there has to be some potential. I like a car to handle like a go-cart. This boatiness has to go.

03-14-2009, 02:59 PM	#25
kurokoma-kun Drives: 2007 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: my own little world Posts: 1,256	I think you're on the right track regal. My own car was not stock for long, but I can still remember thinking it was like driving a bathtub full of water The rear sway bar alone helps a lot imo. Lowering the center of gravity helps handling even more. What wheels are you thinking of?

03-15-2009, 10:50 AM	#27
largeorangefont Break'em off some. View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris LB, 04 Cobra Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: So Cal, OC Posts: 854	Get the Tokico struts and save yourself $100. You are right. It will be like a new car after you get the suspension on it. Don't worry it will probably be better than your Civic.

03-17-2009, 09:06 AM	#28
regal Drives: 09 Yaris 3 Dr White LB Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: PA Posts: 432	I decided to test my new car a little today. The car in stock form seems to handle better the harder you push it. The soft bounciness on a 20 mph sharp turn turns firm when I take the same turn at 45 mph. I think this thing really has potential to out do the EG Civic, if I can only figure out which wheels to start with. Either XB factory 7 spokes or Maxxim Assaults.

03-17-2009, 10:26 AM	#30
regal Drives: 09 Yaris 3 Dr White LB Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: PA Posts: 432	I'm 38 years old and this is my first new car, yes I had a little paranoia about running her off the road. I've had some cars that were downright dangerous at cornering , but this thing is very capable.

03-17-2009, 01:36 PM	#32
CASTREX Who said Yaris was slow? View User's Garage Drives: Yaris T-Sport 2008 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 1,287	Just a little advise while picking new wheels. The underpowered 1NZ-FE will greatly benefit from a lightweight wheel. There are some economical choices within the 11-12lbs weight range on 15 size. And some nice tire options on 195-55-15 Don't overlook the rubber... if you are looking for that go kart handling, the rubber is really important.

03-17-2009, 05:53 PM	#34
CASTREX Who said Yaris was slow? View User's Garage Drives: Yaris T-Sport 2008 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 1,287	^^^ The OP already got himself a brand new Yaris....